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alojz_ferluga
11-22-2012, 08:57 AM
Does anybody use snooker cue to play pool?
I went on snooker table at the club few days ago and used friends nice snooker cue.
That cue (nothing special, quite cheap) feel was great, very stiff (harder wood maybe), with small 9mm tip.
I had much better feel whe aiming at the cue ball.
It is also much easier to get more action from the CB (follow, draw, english).

Any comments?

Slasher
11-22-2012, 09:25 AM
harder to find center ball and you will probably mushroom the tip and or split the shoulder for the ferrule.

supergreenman
11-22-2012, 09:44 AM
When ever I see an opponent bringing a snooker cue to the table I smile. Then I leave them long straight shots and chalk my cue because I know I'm coming to the table soon.

icem3n
11-22-2012, 09:56 AM
Does anybody use snooker cue to play pool?
I went on snooker table at the club few days ago and used friends nice snooker cue.
That cue (nothing special, quite cheap) feel was great, very stiff (harder wood maybe), with small 9mm tip.
I had much better feel whe aiming at the cue ball.
It is also much easier to get more action from the CB (follow, draw, english).

Any comments?

It has a very low squirt on the cueball. Excellent for those looking for a low deflection.

I will have for a snooker cue maker built me a one piece cue in December with a larger diameter ferrule so it deflects like a conventional pool shaft but has the stiffness of a snooker cue .

jschelin99
11-22-2012, 10:02 AM
Canadian Vince Chambers uses a snooker cue, and he ranks way up there in the best in the Midwest.

Ghosst
11-22-2012, 10:06 AM
That cue (nothing special, quite cheap) feel was great, very stiff (harder wood maybe), with small 9mm tip.

A snooker cue's shaft has a conical taper, that's why it's stiff-hitting.

As for the rest, whatever you feel comfortable with will work for you. The tips won't last though. The smaller tip diameter and the increased weight of pool balls mean much more pressure and an Elk Master (standard snooker tip) will mushroom very quickly.




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RunoutJJ
11-22-2012, 10:08 AM
Depends on the player. If they can play then they play. Doesnt matter what type of cue they use. Personally I can't stand them unless Im playing snooker.

Autist
11-22-2012, 10:18 AM
Does anybody use snooker cue to play pool?
I went on snooker table at the club few days ago and used friends nice snooker cue.
That cue (nothing special, quite cheap) feel was great, very stiff (harder wood maybe), with small 9mm tip.
I had much better feel whe aiming at the cue ball.
It is also much easier to get more action from the CB (follow, draw, english).

Any comments?


I am playing with my snooker cue at the moment, due to an "accident" with my pool cue.

I like it. It's bad to do a looped bridge, but since I've been playing more snooker than pool anyway lately, I do almost all shots with open bridge.

It is stiffer not because of the harder wood, but because of the taper of the shaft.

I certainly would not suggest breaking with it. The tip will mushroom more.
Don't know how it will affect the ferrule, mine is fine so far.

Autist
11-22-2012, 10:20 AM
When ever I see an opponent bringing a snooker cue to the table I smile. Then I leave them long straight shots and chalk my cue because I know I'm coming to the table soon.

What is so difficult about shooting long straight shots with a snooker cue?

I think I play 95% of my abilities with a snooker cue.

Renegade_56
11-22-2012, 10:54 AM
What is so difficult about shooting long straight shots with a snooker cue?


I was wondering the same thing.

If anything, the conical taper would make it shoot straighter!

Ghosst
11-22-2012, 10:59 AM
If anything, the conical taper would make it shoot straighter!

The taper doesn't make it shoot straighter, the shooter does. I think James' idea was the smaller the shaft & tip, the more difficult it is to hit the intended point on the cueball for many players. Most people who grab a snooker cue off the wall to play pool with don't realize it's not intended for pool and only choose snooker cues because they're less beat up than the regular ones.




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naji
11-22-2012, 11:07 AM
When ever I see an opponent bringing a snooker cue to the table I smile. Then I leave them long straight shots and chalk my cue because I know I'm coming to the table soon.

I cannot argue with a 2005 member, true what you saying if the player is new and does not know what he is doing, but for expert who knows stun and role theory he will make the shot 99.9 % of times.

I play with 11 mm tip i love it, you are right though have to be careful about straight center hit shots for unintentional english.

One time i played Jackie Robinson, when he saw my tip he looked at me and smiled and said "good luck", luckily he is old now and lost some power, i managed to get a head a game.

Blue Hog ridr
11-22-2012, 11:11 AM
There are many snooker tips available other than Elks.

I put a couple of Duds on for people. Other than that, I just took a 11mm Elk, pressed it in a vice for an hour and installed it on a team mates cue.

He likes it, shot a 40 the first night out.

Pidge
11-22-2012, 11:31 AM
Just be careful. I cracked my shaft on my snooker cue hitting a 2 1/4 inch CB. The brass ferrule just dug right in. They aren't made to hit a CB that heavy. 8mm tip + 2 1/4 CB = I'm stupid and deserved it.

That being said...they do play great! I do like an ash shaft. I play with an 11.5mm maple shaft right now but I've been looking around for a 11mm conical ash shaft with an American style ferrule for a while now. No luck!

putt-putt44
11-22-2012, 12:00 PM
I saw Karen Corr up at ''The Turning Stone'' a few years back,,she was playing with a realy funky, beat up snooker cue that I noticed,,,

Later ,, I had the opportunity to talk to her as she just just hanging out so I asked her about why the snooker cue,,,,as she was aslo at the time playing with a McDaniel cue,,,she just shrugged and said ''No big deal to me if I'm playing any cue sport with either a pool or snooker cue'',,

Damn,,''No big deal'',,,,,,,No wonder she's one of the all time greats,,!!

Class act by the way,,,very gracious,,,,!

Alan Ende

jschelin99
11-22-2012, 12:24 PM
There are many snooker tips available other than Elks. I put a couple of Duds on for people. Other than that, I just took a 11mm Elk, pressed it in a vice for an hour and installed it on a team mates cue. He likes it, shot a 40 the first night out.

Since I've never worked on a snooker cue, perhaps I'm wrong, but can't any tip be installed on a snooker cue?

Blue Hog ridr
11-22-2012, 12:54 PM
Since I've never worked on a snooker cue, perhaps I'm wrong, but can't any tip be installed on a snooker cue?

I don't work on many snooker cues myself and the few that I do, is just the odd tip.

Try and put a 14 mm on a 11 or a 10 mm shaft. You could put any tip on but you'd have to be doing some careful cutting. Thats what you meant, right.

I prefer to use a tip thats 1 mm over the shaft diameter. The other day, I only had a 14 mm Dud and a regular 12 mm Elk.

When I put the Dud up against the shaft, I thought maybe not a good idea. I didn't have any smaller Duds at the time so thats why I pressed the regular Elk in the vice.

For the odd snooker player around these parts that might get me to do a tip, its really not worth my while to stock anything other than Elks for them.

The other repair guy in town gets most of that work and I'm happy that he does for the most part.

Pidge
11-22-2012, 01:09 PM
Kamui make a tip specifically for snooker cues. I have a Kamui black M on my snooker cue right now. Came as 11mm and its now on a 10mm shaft. John Higgins plays or played with one I believe.

But yeah, you can put any tip size on a snooker cue of any shaft size, you just need an experienced rapair guy.

Pay Up Sucker
11-22-2012, 01:10 PM
i have a friend of mine that had a onyx tip put on his snooker cue and loves it.

TheThaiger
11-22-2012, 01:31 PM
Kamui make a tip specifically for snooker cues. I have a Kamui black M on my snooker cue right now. Came as 11mm and its now on a 10mm shaft. John Higgins plays or played with one I believe.

But yeah, you can put any tip size on a snooker cue of any shaft size, you just need an experienced rapair guy.

How do Kamui's play on snooker cues? I don't know anyone - even world champions - who will pay 10 for a tip. Snooker players and English 8 ballers think I'm crazy when I tell them how much American pool gear costs me.

TheThaiger
11-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Oh, quick tip for snooker tips. When you're down to your last layer or two on your American cue, and are about to replace it, cut it off and put it on your snooker cue. Buy one of AndyWho's (?) pencil sharpener tip trimmers and you've got a perfectly sized tip in seconds. I have a triangle on my English 8 ball cue and an Everest on my snooker cue. You can't really damage a metal ferrule, so you can experiment with as many old tips as you like.

West Point 1987
11-22-2012, 01:46 PM
One of the top snooker players here in Cyprus (a Brit, I think he's number one or two) played me a set of 8 ball with his 9mm snooker cue a while back. I did NOT like it.:frown: He did screw up his tip, though. :embarrassed2:

Pidge
11-22-2012, 02:46 PM
How do Kamui's play on snooker cues? I don't know anyone - even world champions - who will pay 10 for a tip. Snooker players and English 8 ballers think I'm crazy when I tell them how much American pool gear costs me.
Haha yeah most of my mates have a rock hard tip on their snooker cues. 1.50 for a pack of 3 from JJB! The Kamui Black M is great. Can't argue with paying 7 quid for it. One thing I would say though, if you use the cheap turquoise triangle chalk, like nearly every snooker player I know, it doesn't hold it. Neither does American style Kamuis for that matter. Masters and blue diamond aren't a problem though. Little harder than the American 13mm version. If its good enough for Higgins it'll do for me.

I wish I knew about the little tip trick when you're down to a couple of layers! Just changed a black heart and a moori. Got an english 8 ball cue in need of a new tip aswel. Gutted!

Fatboy
11-22-2012, 09:25 PM
Does anybody use snooker cue to play pool?
I went on snooker table at the club few days ago and used friends nice snooker cue.
That cue (nothing special, quite cheap) feel was great, very stiff (harder wood maybe), with small 9mm tip.
I had much better feel whe aiming at the cue ball.
It is also much easier to get more action from the CB (follow, draw, english).

Any comments?

I have seen a VERY strong snooker player use his snooker cue and run racks and break very hard with a open bridge-no problems. It can be done, I cant play a lick with a proper snooker cue, depends on what a player is accustomed to.

Fatboy
11-22-2012, 09:27 PM
Since I've never worked on a snooker cue, perhaps I'm wrong, but can't any tip be installed on a snooker cue?


any tip is fine, just have to know how to work with a brass ferrel, I don't personally know how to do it-but i know it can be done. I have seen it done.

RunoutJJ
11-22-2012, 09:38 PM
Have any snooker players given Kamui chalk a try yet??

MartinBullet
11-23-2012, 02:31 AM
Just last night I installed a Kamui Black S onto my snooker cue, 9mm ferrule.
Going for a few frames tonight, I'll let you know how I get on with it, also using Kamui 1.21 chalk so RunoutJJ, I'll report back on that too ;)

Patrick Johnson
11-23-2012, 06:38 AM
I use a 9.5mm tip on a 1/4" ferrule with a (stiff) conical taper and lots of different hard layered tips (Moori, Kamui, Sniper, Everest, etc.).

Only two things are different from a wider tip: it squirts less and it's easier to see where I'm hitting the cue ball.

It does not create more or less spin, either purposely or accidentally, and I can do anything with it except break.

pj
chgo

Pidge
11-23-2012, 09:59 AM
Why do people think a smaller tip creates more spin? I've never understood that. Chances are you would be using a dime or nikel shaped tip so regardless of the size the contact area on the tip will be the same. The same can be said for people who say its harder to hit centre ball...contact area is the same and you can see more precisely where you are going to contact the CB...its easier to hit exactly where you intend on the CB with a smaller tip IMO.

Patrick Johnson
11-23-2012, 12:05 PM
Why do people think a smaller tip creates more spin? I've never understood that. Chances are you would be using a dime or nikel shaped tip so regardless of the size the contact area on the tip will be the same. The same can be said for people who say its harder to hit centre ball...contact area is the same and you can see more precisely where you are going to contact the CB...its easier to hit exactly where you intend on the CB with a smaller tip IMO.
Yes. In fact, even if the contact area was smaller - even if it was a pinpoint - it would make no difference. The size of the contact area is irrelevant.

pj
chgo

Pidge
11-23-2012, 12:53 PM
How do you know this? If you have a link to support this I'd appreciate a post. I'm intrigued. Everything I've read on the matter says the curvature of a tip does make a difference. I've always thought the larger contact area between CB and tip provides more grip and thus the ability to impart ore spin.

I could be wrong and a greater contact area may just lower the chance of a miscue, or is this all hearsay too?

Patrick Johnson
11-23-2012, 01:39 PM
I've always thought the larger contact area between CB and tip provides more grip and thus the ability to impart ore spin.
The contact areas on all cue tips I've seen, no matter what size, curvature or hardness, are about the same, and all are big enough to "grip" the ball with no significant slippage, so they all produce maximum spin. No spin advantage for one over another.

A pinpoint size tip might miscue more, but it wouldn't increase spin by "concentrating the force more" or anything like that - that's the idea I thought I was addressing.

pj
chgo

Pidge
11-23-2012, 01:50 PM
Yeah I wasnt having a go or anything I'm just intrigued.

I decided to google after I posted rather than before....GENIUS! Seems I couldn't find anything on this matter and I can't remember where I first read it. Wikipedia no doubt. Thanks again wikipedia for supplying me with the stone cold truth...um?

What I did find though was a more rounded tip requires you to hit closer to centre compared to a flatter tip to produce the same amount of spin. I might have been getting my self confused with this.

Siz
11-23-2012, 03:14 PM
I use a 9.5mm tip on a 1/4" ferrule with a (stiff) conical taper and lots of different hard layered tips (Moori, Kamui, Sniper, Everest, etc.)....
pj
chgo

What's your ferrule made out of Patrick?

Patrick Johnson
11-23-2012, 09:21 PM
...a more rounded tip requires you to hit closer to centre compared to a flatter tip to produce the same amount of spin.
I'd say, "A more rounded tip requires you to have the center of your tip slightly closer to center ball to hit the same CB contact point and produce the same amount of spin."

pj
chgo

Patrick Johnson
11-23-2012, 09:32 PM
What's your ferrule made out of Patrick?
Um, ferrule plastic - I'm guessing the fiber reinforced stuff. Made for me by a well known cue maker with whatever he thought was best.

I wanted 1/8" solid pads but got overruled and 1/4" sleeve ferrules instead, which have held up surprisingly well - I've only cracked one in over ten years of use, and I don't baby them.

pj
chgo

AtLarge
11-23-2012, 10:00 PM
Andrew Barlow finished 3rd in the U.S. Amateur Championship in 1998 using a 1-piece snooker cue.

Chopdoc
11-23-2012, 10:13 PM
I never played a snooker cue for pool, but when I lived in the UK I played snooker with my JOSS for a year. Balls went in pockets.

I was told I was an "excellent potter". :wink:





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TheThaiger
11-24-2012, 04:58 AM
The contact areas on all cue tips I've seen, no matter what size, curvature or hardness, are about the same, and all are big enough to "grip" the ball with no significant slippage, so they all produce maximum spin. No spin advantage for one over another.

A pinpoint size tip might miscue more, but it wouldn't increase spin by "concentrating the force more" or anything like that - that's the idea I thought I was addressing.

pj
chgo


He asked for a link...

Luther Blissett
11-24-2012, 06:55 AM
Stephen Hendry always seemed to do pretty well at pool with a snooker cue. :)

St.Andrews Cup 2000--Hendry VS Davis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-lc141Xkqw)

RedEyeJedi
11-24-2012, 07:21 AM
Interesting stuff, guys! This has piqued my interest enough to want to get my hands on a snooker cue for some experimenting.

I'd like to get a one piece snooker cue for somewhere in the ~$500 range. Is that unreasonable? Too much for a good one, too little? I imagine they vary quite a bit between high end and low end, and as I know literally nothing about snooker cues or snooker cue brands, can anyone give me a 9mm point in the right direction?

If ya know of a cue maker state-side that could do a custom one-piece, that would work too. The point is, I just want to get a nice one!

Bob Jewett
11-24-2012, 09:46 AM
Andrew Barlow finished 3rd in the U.S. Amateur Championship in 1998 using a 1-piece snooker cue.

He also has the high run in a local 14.1 league with 103 and out on a table about as tough as a Diamond. He does, however, refuse to play 3-cushion with his snooker cue.

He doesn't seem to have a problem with long, straight-ins either.;)

YBA
11-24-2012, 10:10 AM
When ever I see an opponent bringing a snooker cue to the table I smile. Then I leave them long straight shots and chalk my cue because I know I'm coming to the table soon.

When I used to play snooker before playing 9 ball. I originally played 9 ball with my Parris snooker cue. My cue weighs 20oz (not run of the mill for a snooker cue). It never felt hard to shoot long straight shoots. However if I used a typical 16oz snooker cue, the game became very hard all the sudden... Trying to force the ball with a 16oz cue will greatly affect the precision (downwards). Your stroke will wobble much more with a lower weight.

As for good players playing with a snooker cue, there is a guy I know who plays 9 ball with a snooker and a single leg (you read right). He doesn't seem to have a problem with running racks over racks...

Cheers