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SlimShafty
05-08-2006, 05:01 PM
Hey everyone, I'm sure you all heard about this, but since it's not getting much attention on Network News I thought I would post this in case someone hasn't.

I know this is not pool related, but it has everything to do with all of us and how we visit sites we enjoy like AzBilliards. Well, AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner want to dictate which Web sites go fast or slow and which won't load at all.

Corporate telecom big wigs want to make a two tiered Internet were places like AZ will be affected, and your web hosting company that host your site may be taxed out of competition and we may have no choice but go with AT&T or it's partners hosting. Basically its a web power grab and a strong arm move to force out the small competing sites.

They want to charge content providers (like AzBilliards or it's host) to guarantee speedy delivery of their data. They want to control what you see, they want you to have no option but go to their own content, search engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video while slowing down or blocking their competitors.

This has huge implication for all of us, in ways we can't even imagine, especially if you have a web page or a web business. Say you sell Billiards supplies or want to show streaming pool videos, they want to charge you above and beyond your bandwidth bill you already pay for, not to mention all your customers are already paying for internet access. so you could in reality have to "pay off" these other providers just to get your content out. In many cases small web sites will wither and die, even our AzBilliards. Places like Youtube, Digg or even Google may have never made it off the ground.:(

It is vital that you check into this and CALL or better yet WRIGHT your Congressmen, check out http://www.savetheinternet.com/ to see what else you can do, and read more about the issue.

All the info you need to call, email, write your hometown newspaper, can be found here: http://www.savetheinternet.com/=act

If you do not know who your representative is, it can be found using the House of Representatives web site. http://www.house.gov/
just type in your zip and then click on your representative, then find the contact info to write a snail mail letter, might be better then email.


Support the Net Neutrality Act!!!!!

renard
05-08-2006, 05:07 PM
Thanks Slim!!!

Scott Lee
05-08-2006, 06:58 PM
Slim...You're too late. Congress already passed the bill allowing the telecom companies to do this. Now we'll just have to wait and see what happens...:mad:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

SlimShafty
05-08-2006, 07:36 PM
Slim...You're too late. Congress already passed the bill allowing the telecom companies to do this. Now we'll just have to wait and see what happens...:mad:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

No it's still alive and well, and we want the bill to pass, and it's not too late, actually it was defeated twice, but all the ground swell from advocates is pushing new introductions of bill and even more from others, now even the banks are getting excited and worried enough to push some weight into this.

We still have to keep up the ground swell, swamp your local representatives!!

DaveK
05-09-2006, 07:50 AM
I'll admit to having no knowledge of this law and it's potential impact on the US portion of the Internet and various services. However, given that there are no real geographic boundaries in cyberspace, why wouldn't someone simply move their site to another jurisdiction ? Many of these carriers backbones extend into Canada, and I cannot see how a US law could be enforced here. Then there are all of the international carriers who would be happy for additional business. It's real tough to regulate the Internet as a whole. These are issues of partial regulation, which are doomed to failure because they are only partial and so easily worked around.

Dave

PoolSleuth
05-09-2006, 07:54 AM
I am not worried, as I can alway walk the Dog....

bruin70
05-09-2006, 07:54 AM
i don't think it'll ever happen, but it pays to be cautious. ...thanks

the freedom enjoyed by us all on the internet is too broad -based for this to happen....

degenrat
05-09-2006, 09:19 AM
WRIGHT=write

KTHXBYE

i am not too worried. The strong survive. This is not some corporate fleecing, it's big business doing business.

ScottW
05-09-2006, 09:37 AM
http://news.com.com/Smaller+cable+firms+take+aim+at+Net+neutrality+fan s/2100-1028_3-6069873.html?tag=nefd.top

This whole thing is mainly the cable/phone companies' plot to extort cash from the larger, more heavily-trafficked sites. They seem to think they should make money on both ends - people like you and I should pay them to surf the web, and websites should pay them for the priviledge of BEING surfed. 100% completely against the whole philosophy behind the internet from the get-go. Hooray for capitalism! :/

Snapshot9
05-09-2006, 10:11 AM
a little Bell going off saying 'Ma Bell and ATT' all over again, only on the internet. Last I knew, unfair competition is against the law, and referred to as a monoply. I believe the Fair Trade laws would come into play.

SlimShafty
05-09-2006, 11:41 AM
WRIGHT=write

KTHXBYE

i am not too worried. The strong survive. This is not some corporate fleecing, it's big business doing business.

I see that Wright is not right and should be write, Didn't you notice I had it right in the next sentence down:( OK, I'll try harder next time to proof reed reel good!:p I still get an A- right?

But I digress, I have been known to make a mistake or too hear or there, but its aloud, write? It’s not like we are playing ate ball for money? Bare with me while I sea this threw, seams to me my brain sometimes has me right the wrong word, witch is a pane. Makes me pull my hare out sometimes, It’s like hitting a steal wall. I just need to go to the pool haul this weak and play some ate ball in piece, better yet the beech and ride a waive!:D Reed this allowed and it sounds fine, amazing and fun language we have!


Anyway, I'm happy to see some people taking it seriously, those not worried need to look into it more, it effects everyone. I'm sure Azbilliards will look into supporting the Net Neutrality bill.

Colin Colenso
05-09-2006, 12:16 PM
It is a scary development. Both government and some existing big businesses want more control over the internet. I hope more learn about it and resist it.

Here is another good article on the subject:
http://www.mises.org/story/2139

And this website has a lot of information including where your elected representatives stand on important issues concerning keeping the internet free from stupid regulations. It document which politicians are being bribed oops receiving campaign donations from cartels with an interest in regulating the internet.
http://ipaction.org/blog/

An audio discussion on the topic here:
http://twit.tv/specials2

Edit:
Note: After reading more about this Net Nutrality Bill, I am highly dubious that it would be in the better long term interests of the internet. It would appear to add a new layer of regulations to the internet. Less regulations, not more is the way to go. And roll back current monopolistic advantages that accrue to all the telecom and broadcasting companies.

We should be suspicious of any bills touting egalitarian phrases such as neutrality. What it normally means is trying to give some group something for nothing at the expense of another group. The warped foundation of socialism.

jasper
05-09-2006, 12:19 PM
another money grab by big business

Snapshot9
05-09-2006, 12:40 PM
Just wait till the Post Office wants to tax emails, and they will accept credit cards .... eek!!! :eek:

SlimShafty
05-09-2006, 01:05 PM
Just wait till the Post Office wants to tax emails, and they will accept credit cards .... eek!!! :eek:


Guess what, email tax is already in the works, AOL, YAHOO, not sure about MS,
http://www.dearaol.com/


Aol even went as far as blocking any mail that mentioned dearaol, they got busted for it caught red handed and lied about it.

But you can bet all email will be taxed if we sit back and let them walk all over us without making a noise, they push as far as they can, they know how blind we have become and careless with our government involvement.

They best thing is, it's done for our best interest, it's only to help us.:rolleyes:

DaveK
05-09-2006, 01:27 PM
This whole thing is mainly the cable/phone companies' plot to extort cash from the larger, more heavily-trafficked sites. They seem to think they should make money on both ends - people like you and I should pay them to surf the web, and websites should pay them for the priviledge of BEING surfed. 100% completely against the whole philosophy behind the internet from the get-go. Hooray for capitalism! :/

I agree with the first line, to an extent (I would not use the word 'extort'). The carriers do make money at both ends as both are simple service subscribers.

The 'whole philosophy from the get-go' was turned completely upsidedown in the late 80's or early 90's with the 'commercialization' of the Internet. I'm sure many here recall the outrage in news groups when someone posted what others considered to be a 'commercial' message (like trying to sell something ! ). There have been lots of disruptive influences since ... as an example, domain name registrations in Canada used to be handled by essentially a volunteer group based on the UBC campus iirc. This worked fine prior to the 'commercialization', but when the volume of registrations became to large for the organization, a whole new system was created. One of the results was that registering a domain cost money after the change.

I've long thought that the tarriff structure of various ISPs were not sustainable, and this kind of thing may be evidence of an impending correction, albeit only in the USA if I understand the current tempest. Our tempest will come, it's only a matter of time.

Dave

96supersport
05-09-2006, 01:41 PM
A co-worker of mine was forced to download software to cripple his comcast cable modem to 75% speed. He could either do that and keep paying what he had been paying or pay $10 more for what he had been getting. Not installing the software automatically put you on the higher priced plan. I'm on DSL, and haven't heard anything yet, but I'm sure it's not too far off.

ScottW
05-09-2006, 02:01 PM
I agree with the first line, to an extent (I would not use the word 'extort'). The carriers do make money at both ends as both are simple service subscribers.


The carriers have been making money on both ends from the get-go - they're charging for access to their networks by the public (through charging ISPs) and charging access to their networks by the service providers (T1/T3/etc into hosting facility charges).

Now they're wanting to charge a second charge to service providers - it's akin to your local phone company charging you $X/month for your landline phone, and then saying "Oh, you want to call a friend and have a static-free call? That's another fifty cents." Or even, to the farther extreme, "Oh, you want to call your friend, period? That's a buck."