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DJordan816
09-11-2013, 05:03 AM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

Jaden
09-11-2013, 05:25 AM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

I designed one for that specific reason. It is not yet commercially available though. Obcues makes the ob classic, which doesn't have the hollow hit either.

Jaden

cueaddicts
09-11-2013, 05:37 AM
Jacoby Edge Hybrid Shaft

hang-the-9
09-11-2013, 05:50 AM
I know a few that I have played with, cheapest by far is the Players HXT shaft. Mike Webb has one that hits great, the Pechauer one has a solid hit althought it's made up of several parts. https://www.pechauer.com/low-deflection-shafts/low-deflection-shaft.

mel_smOg
09-11-2013, 05:54 AM
Jacoby Edge Hybrid Shaft

Second that, I also like OB1- but it has soft hit.
OB classic is really stiff and deflected a lot to the point I could not play with it, dont know why

BryanBpool
09-11-2013, 05:57 AM
The hollow hit is the cost of admission for using an LD shaft.... You get used to it.

Kim Bye
09-11-2013, 06:02 AM
Mezz WD700 and WX900

ideologist
09-11-2013, 06:11 AM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

Steve Klapp's old maple shafts are pretty low in deflection, but are solid maple.

Bambu
09-11-2013, 06:12 AM
Tiger makes some nice L/D shafts too. Compared to say, a Z-2, they feel much closer to normal.

scottjen26
09-11-2013, 07:02 AM
Have heard great things about the SS360 shafts made by Bob Danielson (bdcues). Have not ordered one yet, as a friend just sent me a new shaft to try, but great reviews.
Scott

krychekrowe
09-11-2013, 07:21 AM
Chrippa let me try a Lambros LD yesterday. Big difference between Lambros and Predator, Lambros feels so solid. The lambros was close to the Mezz WD700 and Hybrid pro in feel, of course a very subjective feel thus opinion.

Chuck521
09-11-2013, 07:54 AM
I would recomend the Ob classic line if you want a name brand mass produced shaft. And an SS360 shaft from bob danielson of bdcues if your wanting a good low deflection shaft that has a solid hit and is made to order how ever you like.

Just my .02 cents

CrownCityCorey
09-11-2013, 08:21 AM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

Tiger is well known for a preserved "hit" with LD properties. The X-LD is what you are looking for. PM me if you wish to purchase one.

bdcues
09-11-2013, 08:55 AM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

Yes, ours. Solid hit, lots of feedback and made to order for less than mass produced ones. Here is a part of the last customer feedback we received -

"I'm thoroughly impressed by the shaft you made.
It's really spectacular. Love the thing.
This is the first time I've been able to play an LD shaft and pretend it's a solid maple shaft until it's time for those LD shots. I started playing pool in the 80s and got very used to solid maple shafts so it's been a heck of a journey shifting over to LD. This is the first time I can see that happen."
Ingo S. TX

Bob Danielson
bdcues

twal
09-13-2013, 08:24 PM
How much does the ss360 go for?
Looking for more info on them.

bdcues
09-14-2013, 03:48 PM
How much does the ss360 go for?
Looking for more info on them.

PM's sent.

RSCA HOOLIGAN
09-15-2013, 01:56 AM
the SS360 is one of the best LD shafts out there , i tried almost every LD shaft out there and nothing comes even close to the playability of the SS360 .

madhatter44
09-15-2013, 05:39 AM
Great shaft . Solid and firm hit.I have the Pro which has is 12.75.They also have a Pro lite at 11.75. Well priced at less than $200 from Cheapcues.:

bdcues
09-15-2013, 06:45 AM
How much does the ss360 go for?
Looking for more info on them.

We make shafts from 13.25mm down to 11.00mm. It is possible to make them 10.00mm with a different taper. Shaft lengths to 31.5". Shafts can be ordered with any joint diameter, most joint pin sizes and ferrule lengths can be specified along with ferrule material. Matching joint collars are standard and for an extra charge we match trim rings. Standard tip is the Kamui with 12 options for these. Other tips are not a problem either.

coelhojoli5
09-15-2013, 06:51 AM
Try McD G-Core shaft.. Itīs not a normal shaft and not a LD shaft... I guess itīs in the middle... Maybe you like it :wink:

hustler4483
09-15-2013, 11:45 AM
The Josey coming your way has a crisp solid hit with very little deflection, too stiff for me, you will appreciate it my friend

KMRUNOUT
09-15-2013, 02:21 PM
Second that, I also like OB1- but it has soft hit.
OB classic is really stiff and deflected a lot to the point I could not play with it, dont know why

I don't know why either...there is no shaft OB makes that doesn't have quite a bit less squirt than the Jacoby Edge Hybrid. Feel, well that's a different story. The Jacoby feels great. I like the solid hit of the OB Classic shafts too)

KMRUNOUT

KMRUNOUT
09-15-2013, 02:41 PM
I've tried a LOT of LD shafts over the years. I have come to learn that there is pretty much a balance between "solid hit" and "low squirt". In general, the more you have of one, the less of the other. I currently have an OB Classic and a 314-2 Predator, and just recently received a SS360 from Bob Danielson. He makes shafts to order. Mine has a 0.500" ferrule and is 12.5 mm. I imagine that one could get much less deflection if they went with 11.75mm and a shorter ferrule.

Here is my impression of the *solidness* of the hit for the ones I've tried: (top is best)

Standard maple (a good quality one)
SS360-Jacoby Edge-Mezz WD700
OB Classic pro
OB Classic
Tiger (not sure the model but whatever their lowest squirt 11.75mm one is)
Predator 314-2
Predator Z2
OB1

So what I mean is that the SS360, Jacoby, and Mezz all have the most solid feel of the LD shafts.

Not surprisingly, here is my impression of which ones have the least squirt (least on top):
Predator Z2 (by a LOT)
Predator 314-2
OB Classic Pro
OB1
OB Classic
Tiger, SS360, Jacoby, Mezz (they are all in the same ballpark for squirt...and all have a fair amount more squirt than the OB's and Predators)

So my conclusion is this: If you have played with a standard shaft for a long time and you want a bit less squirt, but with a very solid feel, I'd probably check out the SS360, Jacoby, Mezz, and Tiger (in that order). I really like the customization ability of Bob Danielson, and he seems like a great guy. The SS360 is a high quality product, and really seems to spin the hell out of the cueball. I also really like the Jacoby guys, they seem really cool. The shaft is very nice and hits solid. My guess is that the BD SS360 in a 12mm size might have the least squirt of this bunch. The Mezz WD700 seems like a very high quality shaft, but only barely what I would call "low squirt". The Tiger has lower squirt than the Mezz, but certainly not much lower than the SS360 or the Jacoby. I just don't like how Tiger claims to have the *lowest* squirt when this is obviously not the case. I believe you should sell your product based on what it does, not on what you wish it would do.

If you want a solid hit but very low squirt, try the OB Classic Pro. If you don't mind 11.75mm, this shaft hits VERY solid and has super low squirt. I will say that my experience with OB shafts is that they play WAY WAY better with a Kamui tip than with the standard Everest. I like a black soft on mine...If you can't deal with 11.75mm, the Classic hits great, but has noticeably more squirt than the Classic Pro (now just called the "Pro").

If you really need the lowest possible squirt, there is absolutely no question that the Predator Z2 has the least. I also think it has the least feel. The 314-2 is not too bad. Very low squirt, but not nearly the feel of the OB.

Hope this helps...it seems like you are exactly where I was when the first Predator shafts came out. I tried them, and hated the hollow hit. After several years though, I finally realized that I liked the way I *played* with them, so I converted and never looked back.

KMRUNOUT

poolplayer2093
09-15-2013, 03:06 PM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

the WD700 hits like a solid maple shaft but with lower deflections. that's the only one that i can think of that does though

Hircine
09-15-2013, 04:51 PM
McDermott i-shafts, I have an i3, they are traditional shafts with a carbon fiber core, no laminating.

KMRUNOUT
09-15-2013, 05:03 PM
McDermott i-shafts, I have an i3, they are traditional shafts with a carbon fiber core, no laminating.

They hit and play nice, but again not particularly LD...at least not compared to Predator or OB.

KMRUNOUT

WildWing
09-15-2013, 05:32 PM
Mike Gullassey makes shafts in several tapers. His lowest deflection shaft, I can assure you, is very solid hitting.

SpiderWebComm
09-15-2013, 07:01 PM
Lambros's new joint design has regular maple shafts playing with less deflection than LD shafts. That's your answer. I just picked up my new cue yesterday and I was in total shock at how his regular maple shaft squirted less than anything I've ever played with, ever.

You can say this and that about tip mass and whatever... there must be more to it and I'm not a scientist. I'd take one of those for a test drive...for sure.

KMRUNOUT
09-15-2013, 07:17 PM
Lambros's new joint design has regular maple shafts playing with less deflection than LD shafts. That's your answer. I just picked up my new cue yesterday and I was in total shock at how his regular maple shaft squirted less than anything I've ever played with, ever.

You can say this and that about tip mass and whatever... there must be more to it and I'm not a scientist. I'd take one of those for a test drive...for sure.

Hey Spider,

He must have made some changes. I hit with a cue of his at the SBE a couple of years ago. It was his "LD" shaft. The hit was phenomenal...I loved the feel. However I didn't think the squirt was all that low. Definitely much less than standard maple, but nowhere close to a Z2, for example. If feel was most important with squirt being a distant second, I'd say his shaft is fantastic!!

KMRUNOUT

poolplayer2093
09-15-2013, 07:26 PM
the SS360 is one of the best LD shafts out there , i tried almost every LD shaft out there and nothing comes even close to the playability of the SS360 .

they play f'n great for sure. like the original 314's before they moved to china and went to shit

Hircine
09-15-2013, 10:06 PM
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/squirt.html#data

Its not too far behind the original 314.

I've never shot with a z2, I've shot with a friends 314-2 and an original 314 only a few times.

I'd rather have an American product anyways.

But due to its construction it hits more like a regular shaft, which is what OP wants.

I like it, it is still very possible to miss shots cause of deflection, usually if very long and touching the rail. But for the majority of shots, I can simply parallel shift and the aim point is still correct. It may be off by a little, I've had balls been rejected due to spin catching the walls sometimes.

Bottom line, its a quality product, I'd be willing to bet OB has a good product as well, instead of cheap asian constructed laminated wood that probably doesn't cost that much to make.

Luc Comtois
09-23-2013, 10:27 PM
I second that, I just got mine last week and love it. Bob is a great guy to deal with, go for it.

You wont look back my friend.

Lucas
Lucas Cue Shaft

americanfighter
09-24-2013, 12:24 AM
i have an ob classic shaft and i feel it is the best mix of LD performance and feel

jburkm002
09-24-2013, 08:33 AM
Question. How is everyone testing their shaft for squirt? Me I line up long straight shots with left and right english. Hoping to make the object ball and leaving the cue sitting like a stop shot spinning. Also is an LD shaft as important on a 7ft table as it might be on a 9ft.

CreeDo
09-24-2013, 08:50 AM
Gave a buddy an OB classic (not the classic pro) thinking he'd have a hard time with it.
He's been shooting with a fairly deflect-y meucci gambler with the red dot shaft for decades.

Surprisingly he had little trouble adjusting, seems to be playing great with it and says it hits very solid
(his choice of words). I think the fatter diameter of classic might help. Feels like an oldschool maple shaft.

Ponytail
09-24-2013, 10:50 AM
The OB Classic is not hollow, so therefore, does not have a hollow hit. The OB-1 and OB-2 are filled with a silicone sound dampening foam (if I recall correctly) to address the hollow hit/sound issue. It does a decent job.

I have been extremely satisfied with the OB Classic's feel and sound.

Hope this helps.

KMRUNOUT
09-24-2013, 12:55 PM
Gave a buddy an OB classic (not the classic pro) thinking he'd have a hard time with it.
He's been shooting with a fairly deflect-y meucci gambler with the red dot shaft for decades.

Surprisingly he had little trouble adjusting, seems to be playing great with it and says it hits very solid
(his choice of words). I think the fatter diameter of classic might help. Feels like an oldschool maple shaft.

CreeDo,

Believe it or not, the OB Classic Pro (now just called the Pro), hits firmer than the Classic. This is because the hole in the middle of the shaft is smaller, so I believe there is a higher wood to space ratio. Also, the deflection is quite a bit lower, so this may be the best choice overall.

KMRUNOUT

Wileydog
09-24-2013, 01:09 PM
Jacoby Edge Hybrid Shaft

Yes, My Jacoby came with 2 shafts, one was the edge. They both hit very similar, solid.

West Point 1987
09-24-2013, 01:23 PM
Mike Gullassey makes shafts in several tapers. His lowest deflection shaft, I can assure you, is very solid hitting.

I second that! :thumbup:

genomachino
09-24-2013, 01:35 PM
I haven't tried any LD shaft except for predators and I don't like them because of the hollow hit. I was wondering if there are any LD shafts out there that hit solid like a normal shaft and if so how do they deflect compared to predators? Thanks in advance.

There are a few out there that claim to be low deflection but really are not. But just a little bit.

The Jacoby Edge Hybrid is what i found works well for me.

It has fairly low deflection but not as stiff as the 314 2 but the flipside is you can use the outside english allot better to get around the table.

Taking all the deflection or most of it out will help a player make balls but by having some it allows you to do things that you can do with a normal shaft possible as far as moving the cue ball around.

Someone should make a video showing the difference.

.

Ponytail
09-24-2013, 01:36 PM
CreeDo,

Believe it or not, the OB Classic Pro (now just called the Pro), hits firmer than the Classic. This is because the hole in the middle of the shaft is smaller, so I believe there is a higher wood to space ratio. Also, the deflection is quite a bit lower, so this may be the best choice overall.

KMRUNOUT

The classics do not have a hole in the middle. Thought you should know.

KMRUNOUT
09-24-2013, 01:52 PM
The classics do not have a hole in the middle. Thought you should know.

Incorrect. The regular OB1 and OB2 have a hole that goes all the way through the shaft, from the ferrule all the way to the joint. This hole is filled with some rubbery material, except I believe for the last 5-6" or so. The Classics have a hole that extends from the ferrule to about 5-6" back, and the remainder of the shaft is solid. Thought you should know ;)

KMRUNOUT

Ponytail
09-24-2013, 02:04 PM
There's not a hole. It's filled. Talk to Royce.

dchan320
09-24-2013, 02:48 PM
I've tried 314-2, ob classic pro, ob classic as well. My vote is for Bob's ss360. Solid hit, good feedback, and reasonably priced.

One thing I'll add about the SS360 is if you need to swerve the CB a bit to get out of a safety (rail/jump not an option), it's doable and something you can work on to improve judgement. With the OB and Pred it was a real challenge for me to the point where I said don't even think about it.

If you want to see his work, click on the link in my signature. It's a 30" shaft with ringwork matched on my SW.

-Doug

shanesinnott
09-24-2013, 03:23 PM
Incorrect. The regular OB1 and OB2 have a hole that goes all the way through the shaft, from the ferrule all the way to the joint. This hole is filled with some rubbery material, except I believe for the last 5-6" or so. The Classics have a hole that extends from the ferrule to about 5-6" back, and the remainder of the shaft is solid. Thought you should know ;)

KMRUNOUT

KMRUNOUT is correct.

The OB-1 and OB-2 are both drilled through the entire length of the shaft from joint to tip. They have foam in the first 5 inches and silicone rubber in the last 24 inches.

The OB Classic and OB Pro are both drilled in the first 5 inches just like the OB-1 and OB-2 and both have foam in the front. However, the last 24 inches on both shafts back to the joint are solid maple. This is one of the main reasons that many people perceive the Classic and Pro to hit firmer (along with the fact that they have conventional ferrules as opposed to our softer laminated wooden ferrules that are one the OB-1 and OB-2)

Hope this helps.

jay helfert
09-24-2013, 03:31 PM
Tiger makes some nice L/D shafts too. Compared to say, a Z-2, they feel much closer to normal.

I second that! They are NOT hollow shafts and have very low deflection.

KMRUNOUT
09-24-2013, 05:20 PM
There's not a hole. It's filled. Talk to Royce.

There is a hole. Talk to Royce.

EDIT: Actually, please see Shane's post a few posts back.