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JoeyA
09-15-2013, 10:13 AM
Gambling casts a very wide net. By that I mean, people from all walks of life have been known to gamble. Gambling can be done and is done on just about anything under the sun.

Toncam's reply to my post about my dad's penchant for betting on the horses prompted me to start this thread. Who knows, maybe in your stories or mine, someone who is getting ready to go down that road, might see themselves and make a different decision.

While my story about my dad's gambling on the horses seems almost tragic, it isn't and it wasn't, well at least it doesn't have that perspective to me. While we grew up so poor, my dad didn't always bet the ponies.
For many years we lived in "the country" and they didn't have any tracks there and everyone else that lived there wasn't too well off either.

I've enjoyed gambling all of my life. I may have won a little more than I lost but I book losers just like anyone else. If you aren't booking losers occasionally you're not gambling.

I guess I've been lucky most of my life. In fact, I know I have been fortunate to escape paying a heavy price for walking so close to the edge of many things.

It's not always the loss of money that sometimes accompanies gambling that hurts a person. Sometimes the bigger losses occurs in other areas like self esteem, family arguments, loss of time with family, friend arguments/loss of friends and sometimes just a bad reputation.

Last night I was playing some forty dollar 9 ball and played extremely well against another good, local player. It was fun and I haven't played that well in a long time. I seldom ever gamble at 9 ball but before I started I knew I had a few hundred dollars that was burning a hole in my pocket. I figured that I had a dozen barrels and that would last me the night. If I lost that I would simply quit. Fortunately, I started out super strong. As the night wore on I played progressively worse and my opponent played better. It was a fun night because I played so well and I didn't lose any money as I actually won a little in the process.

For me gambling at pool is just another dimension of pool. I don't currently gamble at sports betting, although I participate in some golf and football pools. Louisiana is known for gambling and you can bet on just about anything your heart desires. I tried the ponies for a little while but saw that I had no control over those things. Every now and then I would read the forms and get lucky or one of the seasoned veterans of the track would put a good tip on me but I could see that if I continued betting on the horses, I would just be paying for their room and board. Really, its been that way for me with just about everything. I've tried betting the sports but the vigorish eats a hole in your pocket in the long run.

I've always set a limit as to what I might be able to justify losing and I have never gone beyond that number. In other words, I don't borrow money from my friends to continue gambling and I don't bet more than what I can afford to lose.

I tell people that I gamble at pool because I enjoy it but if it disappeared overnight for the betterment of the sport I wouldn't miss it for a minute. I know that when I beat a good player, a bad player, or someone who just doesn't match up well, it's still a loss and losses don't feel good.

If you gamble ONLY what you can genuinely justify losing, then you should be OK but this thread is more about my personal experiences and I know others have had different experiences. So let's hear yours. Maybe you'll save a life or help someone manage their money.

JoeyA

bdorman
09-15-2013, 10:33 AM
I don't gamble because I trade for living (mostly futures contracts, but some stocks too). It's a controlled, semi-predictable environment in which there's no "house" you're betting against; it's just you and the other traders. The rules are extremely well thought out and enforced (the exchanges and the Securities & Exchange Commission).

Anyway, trading exposes the flaws in pure gambling (roulette, blackjack, etc.)...that being never being able to beat the house odds. Poker is okay, it's just too damn slow and depends too much on luck of the draw.

I have little to no interest in betting on the outcome of a pool match played by others. I can enjoy watching SVB vs. Orcullo just fine without a bet. My buddies and I will bet small change on our games just to make sure we stay focused.

Works for me. Each to his own.

JoeyA
09-15-2013, 10:39 AM
I don't gamble because I trade for living (mostly futures contracts, but some stocks too). It's a controlled, semi-predictable environment in which there's no "house" you're betting against; it's just you and the other traders. The rules are extremely well thought out and enforced (the exchanges and the Securities & Exchange Commission).

Anyway, trading exposes the flaws in pure gambling (roulette, blackjack, etc.)...that being never being able to beat the house odds. Poker is okay, it's just too damn slow and depends too much on luck of the draw.

I have little to no interest in betting on the outcome of a pool match played by others. I can enjoy watching SVB vs. Orcullo just fine without a bet. My buddies and I will bet small change on our games just to make sure we stay focused.

Works for me. Each to his own. (HERE, HERE!)
JoeyA

Atlatlien
09-15-2013, 10:44 AM
My problem is, I don't like spots, especially ball spots. I tend to play everybody even. I definitely book my share of losers that way but, it's for fun, and I don't ever gamble with money I'm not already prepared to lose. Doesn't hurt me a bit, and it's more fun that way if I end up on top playing a good player with no spot. I guess it wouldn't kill me to try to get some weight sometimes though.

Put_upor_shutup
09-15-2013, 10:47 AM
All I gotta say to that is.

Belmont park
Race 3
#6 saints alive (***** bet)
Foot on the gas and don't look back..


Just jokin just jokin..

Matt90
09-15-2013, 10:47 AM
With a horse shoe in the ass . Some of us have real issues behind obsession and compulsion that will drive us to make unwise choices. The EGO is the issue in most cases and it drives us to do unrealistic things.Some , very few ,but some ,can gamble with logic , intuition , and skill .God bless em. I am not one of those so I really ,really , really have to keep myself in check and just not gamble . I am however going to buy a lotto ticket today .....:thumbup:
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/content/20-questions

As a side note I do have friends who can casually drink too.I am just not casual about many things . Some do ,Some don't , Some Over DO , I over do alot so I watch the things that I do .

Joey , we have talked about this before . You use your head and have alot of control and wisdom that the average person who gambles just does not have.

Pidge
09-15-2013, 10:56 AM
I play poker for a living and I've seen countless people lose everything they ever cared about. Not money, but friends, family and sentimental items. Its tragic when it happens, but that's the way it is for some. Peoples personalities sometimes get in the way, and can only get their buzz from bigger and more outrageous bets.

Only other thing I've put money on is pool. Never bet on sports, or other pool players. I put down what I can afford to lose in pool, and only put money down if I can control the outcome ie I've got to be playing.

Its sad to see people spiral out of control with gambling addiction. The best advice I ever got was don't risk losing money that you don't have or can't spare. I think playing poker 7 hours a day since I was 18 made me grow up in a way. It knocked some sense into me when I would lose big money, but I saw it as a valuable life lesson and a stepping stone on the way to becoming an adult.

pt109
09-15-2013, 10:56 AM
I've never had a problem with gambling....

..had a few problems with losing sometimes...

Johnnyt
09-15-2013, 11:06 AM
I learned a good lesson watching my Dad gamble. He owned an ice and fuel business back in the 1940's to the mid 1970's. He had about 100 ice stops, mostly bars, but some meat and fish markets and a few homes. He would have some kind of sports bet with the owner or customer of just about every bar we served. He probably bet $1000-$2000 a week just on sports. $2000 a week in the 1950's was pretty high gambling. After the ice route was done each day at about 2 pm he would go play cards, bowl, or play pool until the bar closed.

The cards, bowling, and pool he almost always won, but the sports betting he gave what he won back. Why? Because he bet with his heart, not his head. Even when he lost heavy he would always give my Mom her money for the week to run the house. As far as casinos and clubs with tables down the basement...he never...gambled that way. He was pretty connected back then and delivered and set up one-arm bandits and other casino type games.

So I learned to bet with your head, not your heart, bet on your own skill (pool and such), don't bet in casinos or the like, and never bet more than you can pay-off W/O sweating it. Following those rules I've been lucky over the years to make a lot more than I've lost. I'm a bit of what gamblers call a nit. I call a nit someone that won't let you steal from them. Johnnyt

backplaying
09-15-2013, 11:21 AM
I learned a good lesson watching my Dad gamble. He owned an ice and fuel business back in the 1940's to the mid 1970's. He had about 100 ice stops, mostly bars, but some meat and fish markets and a few homes. He would have some kind of sports bet with the owner or customer of just about every bar we served. He probably bet $1000-$2000 a week just on sports. $2000 a week in the 1950's was pretty high gambling. After the ice route was done each day at about 2 pm he would go play cards, bowl, or play pool until the bar closed.

The cards, bowling, and pool he almost always won, but the sports betting he gave what he won back. Why? Because he bet with his heart, not his head. Even when he lost heavy he would always give my Mom her money for the week to run the house. As far as casinos and clubs with tables down the basement...he never...gambled that way. He was pretty connected back then and delivered and set up one-arm bandits and other casino type games.

So I learned to bet with your head, not your heart, bet on your own skill (pool and such), don't bet in casinos or the like, and never bet more than you can pay-off W/O sweating it. Following those rules I've been lucky over the years to make a lot more than I've lost. I'm a bit of what gamblers call a nit. I call a nit someone that won't let you steal from them. Johnnyt

I think a nit is someone who has to have 9-5 the best of any game to play. I personally know players who might play the 8 better than someone but refuse to play because to them that would be to much of a gamble.

Johnnyt
09-15-2013, 11:25 AM
I think a nit is someone who has to have 9-5 the best of any game to play. I personally know players who might play the 8 better than someone but refuse to play because to them that would be to much of a gamble.

:D I wasn't that bad. But I did like to have a little bit of an edge. Johnnyt

Toncam
09-15-2013, 11:47 AM
Me personally i havent bet much on pool at all in my lifetime outside of like social bets like $10 or whatnot. I mainly shot dice and still will on occasion but im much more disciplined now than i ever was before, i will walk away quicker now when i sense things starting to turn and it dont bother me as i know it will still be there tomorrow.
Now this is where the casinos get most people as they are in town for only so long and want to play as much as they can which is their downfall.

But anyway, i have seen so much destruction coming from gambling, its pitiful. At least two people i had contact with committed suicide, and thats only the two i know about. I have seen countless guys lose businesses and familys and you name it, its possibly the strongest addiction going today.

I could go on and on about it, but i think everyone gets the general idea. Some of the worst cases are people who are exposed to gambling and win for the first time, these are the ones who are at the most risk for hurting themselves, especially if they have an addictive or compulsive personality. That win never leaves their mind and they will always try to repeat it and this is where they begin to destroy themselves.

336Robin
09-15-2013, 11:48 AM
Gambling casts a very wide net. By that I mean, people from all walks of life have been known to gamble. Gambling can be done and is done on just about anything under the sun.

Toncam's reply to my post about my dad's penchant for betting on the horses prompted me to start this thread. Who knows, maybe in your stories or mine, someone who is getting ready to go down that road, might see themselves and make a different decision.

While my story about my dad's gambling on the horses seems almost tragic, it isn't and it wasn't, well at least it doesn't have that perspective to me. While we grew up so poor, my dad didn't always bet the ponies.
For many years we lived in "the country" and they didn't have any tracks there and everyone else that lived there wasn't too well off either.

I've enjoyed gambling all of my life. I may have won a little more than I lost but I book losers just like anyone else. If you aren't booking losers occasionally you're not gambling.

I guess I've been lucky most of my life. In fact, I know I have been fortunate to escape paying a heavy price for walking so close to the edge of many things.

It's not always the loss of money that sometimes accompanies gambling that hurts a person. Sometimes the bigger losses occurs in other areas like self esteem, family arguments, loss of time with family, friend arguments/loss of friends and sometimes just a bad reputation.

Last night I was playing some forty dollar 9 ball and played extremely well against another good, local player. It was fun and I haven't played that well in a long time. I seldom ever gamble at 9 ball but before I started I knew I had a few hundred dollars that was burning a hole in my pocket. I figured that I had a dozen barrels and that would last me the night. If I lost that I would simply quit. Fortunately, I started out super strong. As the night wore on I played progressively worse and my opponent played better. It was a fun night because I played so well and I didn't lose any money as I actually won a little in the process.

For me gambling at pool is just another dimension of pool. I don't currently gamble at sports betting, although I participate in some golf and football pools. Louisiana is known for gambling and you can bet on just about anything your heart desires. I tried the ponies for a little while but saw that I had no control over those things. Every now and then I would read the forms and get lucky or one of the seasoned veterans of the track would put a good tip on me but I could see that if I continued betting on the horses, I would just be paying for their room and board. Really, its been that way for me with just about everything. I've tried betting the sports but the vigorish eats a hole in your pocket in the long run.

I've always set a limit as to what I might be able to justify losing and I have never gone beyond that number. In other words, I don't borrow money from my friends to continue gambling and I don't bet more than what I can afford to lose.

I tell people that I gamble at pool because I enjoy it but if it disappeared overnight for the betterment of the sport I wouldn't miss it for a minute. I know that when I beat a good player, a bad player, or someone who just doesn't match up well, it's still a loss and losses don't feel good.

If you gamble ONLY what you can genuinely justify losing, then you should be OK but this thread is more about my personal experiences and I know others have had different experiences. So let's hear yours. Maybe you'll save a life or help someone manage their money.

JoeyA

JoeyA,
My experience with gambling was as a youth and it wasn't gambling like I'm sure you understand it. It was gambling to me because I didn't have but a few barrels to fire on but it was pool and although I didn't know much about what I was doing I could beat the people I was playing so that made it hustling. The winnings made my life a little easier so I viewed it as work, just not so hard as mowing the grass with a push mower so I quickly began to like it.

I didn't enjoy a match up to test skill. I wanted your money. My policy was not to take too much just bits from a lot of people and that worked well for a long time.

As an adult I've come across a few friends that act so ugly when they gamble that its totally turned me off to it. I've seen a side of it that turned me off but I don't hang out with those two so much and lately I've wanted to match up and I know that is exactly what I need to do to test my nerves and abilities. So I'm going to sneak off somewhere and quietly try my hand again when I get my mind right.

I never took any money in a place I wasn't willing to part with. This way I knew I was right and could fight down to dead broke, shake hand go home a whipped dog.

But I did my gambling as a kid and I'm new to this new found "matching up". I wasn't playing for as much as if it mattered. I think for me the attitude has to be right. If the attitude of the match up is right I'm not so opposed to it because really I am playing myself and would even enjoy it, but the minute that someone starts acting sharking I would just as soon pay up if I owe it and head to the house. I just don't have time for the drama and I'm not going to play for more than I can forget.

My hat is off to you if you've managed a good gambling career. I do think that its a way that pool rooms can garner business by installing bleachers and putting email blasts out on match ups and this gives people a way to back players and create action which can be good for business.

Nice thread I will read the rest later.

Tramp Steamer
09-15-2013, 11:49 AM
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

fasted71465
09-15-2013, 01:33 PM
I tend to loose more than I want to. I believe quitting is in order

Johnnyt
09-15-2013, 01:45 PM
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

Most of the time I agree with you...but not this time. If you watch who you play and are honest with yourself as far as your speed money can be made. Money management is almost as important as how you match up. Never go all in no matter if you think you have the nuts as big as coconuts. Each time you win invest in something. With me it was buying cars, boats, and bikes. Fix and flip. Later on in life I took my winnings and bought a racing Greyhound pup. I did this for about 10 years ending with over 150 dogs that I sold for a huge profit. I started making money from the 2nd pup I bought. You can't keep playing for more than 20% of your roll or you will get bit sooner than later. A lot of people call me a nit...and I'm fine with that. I got the cash. Johnnyt

liakos
09-15-2013, 01:57 PM
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

I'm ahead! I've kept records on my match ups and I'm happy to report I've made some $$$ playing! I'm not talking millions but on the other hand I'm not talking a couple thousand either! My secret, like all the other experienced people here, play only what you can afford! NO MORE!!! also, playing and learning not to make the mistakes is key!

book collector
09-15-2013, 03:37 PM
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Tramp Steamer
09-15-2013, 04:21 PM
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

An inspiring post, book collector. Thank you.

SJDinPHX
09-15-2013, 05:36 PM
If you gamble ONLY what you can genuinely justify losing, then you should be OK but this thread is more about my personal experiences and I know others have had different experiences. So let's hear yours. Maybe you'll save a life or help someone manage their money.

JoeyA

Joey, just so you are aware, I am fully in support of a new bill being brought up before the house !..This new bill makes it a FEDERAL OFFENSE to participate in any game of pool or golf, WITHOUT having a sizable wager involved !...How ya like them apples ? :p

SJD

PS..If it passes, all the 'no-gamble nit's' will be doing hard time, instead of just taking up space and wasting oxygen !...
...I love it ! :cool:

294455

BeiberLvr
09-15-2013, 07:03 PM
Most of the time I agree with you...but not this time. If you watch who you play and are honest with yourself as far as your speed money can be made. Money management is almost as important as how you match up. Never go all in no matter if you think you have the nuts as big as coconuts. Each time you win invest in something. With me it was buying cars, boats, and bikes. Fix and flip. Later on in life I took my winnings and bought a racing Greyhound pup. I did this for about 10 years ending with over 150 dogs that I sold for a huge profit. I started making money from the 2nd pup I bought. You can't keep playing for more than 20% of your roll or you will get bit sooner than later. A lot of people call me a nit...and I'm fine with that. I got the cash. Johnnyt

Yep. I've always thought that pool players (not all) were pretty terrible at managing a roll.

JoeyA
09-15-2013, 07:54 PM
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Excellent post.

Budding gambling enthusiasts..... HEADS-UP!

BillyKoda
09-15-2013, 08:34 PM
I don't have much to do with my mother anymore because of her gambling, she tried to get me into it 35 years ago and I did for a while before I figured it out. It's an addiction that will destroy families in the long run.

backplaying
09-15-2013, 08:43 PM
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

This would be true for the majority, but I personally know of two hustlers who made a lot of cash, bought nice homes and still have money and never did anything but gamble. Well, steal would be more like it. Junior Sweatmon was one of the best rough hustlers to ever play the game, along with many flimflams, and made hundreds of thousand in Chicago in the 60's and 70's along with Detroit and Flint. He could also play some, he beat Ronnie Allen and many other top players on a barbox. Most of the time he could get champions to give him spots like the 7 and the break, where they had no chance, but most never did know his true speed.. I once watched him win over 30,000 in Tupelo.Ms at a big tournament in the 70's, with many top players and he took the cash down getting weight they couldn't outrun. He is close to 80 and still beats many of the locals when the opportunity comes up. Let me also add, he would do anything to get the money and drew no line.

JoeyA
09-15-2013, 09:17 PM
Joey, just so you are aware, I am fully in support of a new bill being brought up before the house !..This new bill makes it a FEDERAL OFFENSE to participate in any game of pool or golf, WITHOUT having a sizable wager involved !...How ya like them apples ? :p

SJD

PS..If it passes, all the 'no-gamble nit's' will be doing hard time, instead of just taking up space and wasting oxygen !...
...I love it ! :cool:

294455

Dude! Put that bottle of Yukon Jack down. Never mind, I know you're not going to give up YJ so just take another swig and provide your best advice on how to win more than you lose.

JoeyA

Lucky_Lew66
09-16-2013, 03:21 AM
well there is gambling and playing for money...i kinda like the latter, you have to know the player your playing in pool,i tend to watch a lot before i jump up to play someone,i dont like to give or receive a spot so i find playing guys that play my speed a lot more fun. I wont play guys that arent gentleman, if they throw their cues and and argue i break down and quit, and never play them again. I like to play for something just to make things interesting and play for several hours, i hate guys that play one or 2 sets and want to quit,its like wth did i even break out my cue for,$20 sets nobody gets hurt but if you play a while a guy can win a hundo to pay for next weeks lunch and its good practice to keep focussed. I lost more money playing cards in a matter of months then i have playing pool in 25 years,so thats a no brainer, any game of chance is a bad choice for gambling.

spartan
09-16-2013, 03:26 AM
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Very well said. :thumbup: If only we can earn time like we earn money

SJDinPHX
09-16-2013, 04:18 AM
Dude! Put that bottle of Yukon Jack down. Never mind, I know you're not going to give up YJ so just take another swig and provide your best advice on how to win more than you lose.

JoeyA

I already gave you my best advice Joey.."One guy got Yukon Jack, the other guy got none, is the same as cheating" ! :p

PS..Thought I told you, I quit drinkin' 3 yrs. ago, so I had to quit gambling' too ! :wink:

DAVE_M
09-16-2013, 04:58 AM
I'll never gamble for anything big unless I'm 80%+ to win, even then, anything can happen. I feel comfortable gambling small, because I can afford to lose it and I enjoy the smaller fun games.

If I bet Scott Frost $50k and we played 30-1 in one hole, even if I won, it doesn't show the better player. I think Shane's way of thinking, Race to 100 in a given game. That will bring out the best.

chefjeff
09-16-2013, 06:56 AM
There is no such thing as winning more than losing. It is an illusion created by the gambler to justify his need to gamble. The best he could ever hope for is to eventually draw even and that would be so rare as to be non relevant. The history of the cue sports bears this out.

Reminds me of that old joke:

How you do in Vegas?

I broke even...and boy did I need it!!!


Someone mentioned Blackjack as unwinnable...it isn't if the table rules are favorable enough. fwiw. Most casinos have ruined the game by making it unbeatable, though, so haven't played seriously for 15 years of so. My bets were small, but my spreads were large enough to make the card counting worthwhile. (It ain't gambling when the odds are in your favor)

I've played and documented 200 hours of BJ play in casinos and am ~$1,000 to the good. That's an average of $5 an hour....not bad for having fun fun fun. I don't know of ANY GAMBLERS who can match those figures (unless they do the normal and conveniently forget to count their losses, too:rolleyes:).

Jeff Livingston

chefjeff
09-16-2013, 06:57 AM
I'm ahead! I've kept records on my match ups and I'm happy to report I've made some $$$ playing! I'm not talking millions but on the other hand I'm not talking a couple thousand either! My secret, like all the other experienced people here, play only what you can afford! NO MORE!!! also, playing and learning not to make the mistakes is key!

Now, I know of one!

Yea!


Jeff Livingston

chefjeff
09-16-2013, 07:01 AM
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Excellent assessment of gambling, especially the part about the winners of the money being the biggest losers in life. There is a specific reason for that happening most times:

To be a successful winner at gambling requires one to hang with losers. (need I elaborate on the inevitable results coming from that paradigm?)


Jeff Livingston

JoeyA
09-16-2013, 07:08 AM
I already gave you my best advice Joey.."One guy got Yukon Jack, the other guy got none, is the same as cheating" ! :p

PS..Thought I told you, I quit drinkin' 3 yrs. ago, so I had to quit gambling' too ! :wink:

Oh shit! Things are really going downhill for you. I didn't know you had quit drinking. I'm still pulling for you brother.

JoeyA

lstevedus
09-16-2013, 07:17 AM
I play pool for a hobby. I've had a lot of different interests. Pool is my favorite. I had really bad eyesight till I had my cataracts removed. The new lenses they put in my eyes allow me to see much better, but not perfect. My pool playing has improved since I retired and can see better. Now other players don't ask me to gamble hardly at all. Is there a message there about people that like to gamble? I think there is.

liakos
09-16-2013, 11:30 AM
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

Tap tap tap! :)

Dunnn51
09-16-2013, 01:11 PM
good post Joey A.
Posts like these should warn those who may "consider" gambling for what it really is!

Without going into a long editorial here, GAMBLING is a Vice!

Before going further, people need to know there is a difference between gambling and hustling.

"Gambling" is an unknown outcome based on a certain set of "odds" or probabilities.
"hustling" is an unknown outcome with the odds looking even,BUT the probabilities are in the favor of the hustler. BTW Casinos fit into this category.

That said: I normally don't gamble. I play money games only because it makes the play official. There are 2 outcomes: I may win,.... I may lose.

When I was a kid; I use to "hustle" cheap games in bars. Hey, It was a sure way to make money. Most of my "victims" were guys from the bar that were 1/2 drunk and thought they could beat "a kid" having fun at the table. The best was when hustlers wanted to "hustle" me !! Then it became "gambling" :grin:

I am not even going to go into people and emotions/reasons for "gambling" there are too many reasons to list. People are people, and sometimes it isn't pretty. (One should read a few of CJ Wiley's road stories: They are classic!!!) :eek:

JoeyA
09-16-2013, 05:05 PM
good post Joey A.
Posts like these should warn those who may "consider" gambling for what it really is!

Without going into a long editorial here, GAMBLING is a Vice!

Before going further, people need to know there is a difference between gambling and hustling.

"Gambling" is an unknown outcome based on a certain set of "odds" or probabilities.
"hustling" is an unknown outcome with the odds looking even,BUT the probabilities are in the favor of the hustler. BTW Casinos fit into this category.

That said: I normally don't gamble. I play money games only because it makes the play official. There are 2 outcomes: I may win,.... I may lose.

When I was a kid; I use to "hustle" cheap games in bars. Hey, It was a sure way to make money. Most of my "victims" were guys from the bar that were 1/2 drunk and thought they could beat "a kid" having fun at the table. The best was when hustlers wanted to "hustle" me !! Then it became "gambling" :grin:

I am not even going to go into people and emotions/reasons for "gambling" there are too many reasons to list. People are people, and sometimes it isn't pretty. (One should read a few of CJ Wiley's road stories: They are classic!!!) :eek:

I'm not so concerned with whether gambling at pool is a vice or not.

I'm more concerned with people thinking they can actually make a living gambling at pool and giving up all of the other things life has to offer.

People should know the financial aspects of gambling at pool and be ready to suffer or embrace the consequences/results.

JoeyA

Banks
09-16-2013, 05:17 PM
I need to remember to change myself to staying logged in..

"So my thinking is filthy language has no place on public forums like this one, where we do not know the audience and what they are used to being around.

Personally I don't have a major problem with filthy language if it used only occasionally and in private; but I do on public forums and other public platforms."

Ay carumba.

Should've bet on that one. :thumbup:

Ken_4fun
09-16-2013, 05:21 PM
The ones that get me is all of the poker players....

The nitwit that played Scott Frost, Dippy Dave. Now I don't know him at all, I have watched him on Youtube. But it seems there are a lot of guys making money playing poker. He might be bright, but he seems almost retarded. How can a guy like that make money playing poker?

I used to watch it on TV, and everyone said how much skill it took. At the end they would say "its a coin flip" How much skill is a coin flip?

In one of Grady's book, he said statistically crap tables in casinos do things that defy logic.

Interesting.

Ken

dardusm
09-16-2013, 07:58 PM
In one of Grady's book, he said statistically crap tables in casinos do things that defy logic.

Interesting.

Ken

I've always liked Grady but sometimes I think he never quit understood probability when it came to casino games. Craps is a negative expectation game. In other words, your not going to win in the long run. I've personally witnessed a craps player over a period of 2 years destroy the casino that I worked at playing the don't. He was very savvy and would never lose more than 2 bets on a single shooter. Strong bankroll management and didn't chase loses. But, he was still at a disadvantage. Everyone thought he had this system. If he wasn't cheating, the odds would eventually catch up to him.

A new casino opened down the road and offered 20X odds. It didn't take him a month to lose the 200 grand he was up on our casino. I've seen some incredible rolls that "defy" logic but eventually if you play long enough the house advantage will get you.

CJ Wiley
09-16-2013, 08:14 PM
good post Joey A.
Posts like these should warn those who may "consider" gambling for what it really is!

Without going into a long editorial here, GAMBLING is a Vice!

Before going further, people need to know there is a difference between gambling and hustling.

"Gambling" is an unknown outcome based on a certain set of "odds" or probabilities.
"hustling" is an unknown outcome with the odds looking even,BUT the probabilities are in the favor of the hustler. BTW Casinos fit into this category.

That said: I normally don't gamble. I play money games only because it makes the play official. There are 2 outcomes: I may win,.... I may lose.

When I was a kid; I use to "hustle" cheap games in bars. Hey, It was a sure way to make money. Most of my "victims" were guys from the bar that were 1/2 drunk and thought they could beat "a kid" having fun at the table. The best was when hustlers wanted to "hustle" me !! Then it became "gambling" :grin:

I am not even going to go into people and emotions/reasons for "gambling" there are too many reasons to list. People are people, and sometimes it isn't pretty. (One should read a few of CJ Wiley's road stories: They are classic!!!) :eek:

The law here in Texas has pool listed as a "game of skill" and it's only gambling if you're betting on the side...or making "side bets".

When I was traveling with Big John, Omaha John and JR Weldon we'd sometimes go years and not book a loser.....we had to play really well, but it's hard to say we were really gambling.

Over time the best player will win, and sometimes this takes 20 straight hours.....and back in the 80s it wasn't uncommon for two players to play for three straight days.

Toncam
09-16-2013, 09:22 PM
I've always liked Grady but sometimes I think he never quit understood probability when it came to casino games. Craps is a negative expectation game. In other words, your not going to win in the long run. I've personally witnessed a craps player over a period of 2 years destroy the casino that I worked at playing the don't. He was very savvy and would never lose more than 2 bets on a single shooter. Strong bankroll management and didn't chase loses. But, he was still at a disadvantage. Everyone thought he had this system. If he wasn't cheating, the odds would eventually catch up to him.

A new casino opened down the road and offered 20X odds. It didn't take him a month to lose the 200 grand he was up on our casino. I've seen some incredible rolls that "defy" logic but eventually if you play long enough the house advantage will get you.

A smart dont player, but he made the same fatal mistake that most crapshooters make, they see the 20 x, or 100 x free odds and they overbet their bankrolls. You cant go from a 2,3,4 odds game to 20x without seriously altering your betting strategy. What good is the free odds doing you if the dice are going the other way ? Plus the guy probably started steaming when he started to get stuck a little and common sense went out the window.

book collector
09-19-2013, 05:25 PM
Thanks to everyone for the positive responses to my post , I have to admit I expected the exact opposite .
I am pleasantly surprised and must now reevaluate my thought processes, thanks a lot!

pwd72s
09-19-2013, 05:35 PM
Thanks to everyone for the positive responses to my post , I have to admit I expected the exact opposite .
I am pleasantly surprised and must now reevaluate my thought processes, thanks a lot!

Your advice was sound. I feel sorry for those who ignore it.

The Saw
09-19-2013, 06:58 PM
After 50 plus years of hanging around pool rooms, card rooms, any place you could gamble, knowing big gamblers and little gamblers , smart people and suckers , Cheaters and experts
There are not many winners.
I have only seen a couple of people out of the thousands and thousands of gamblers I have met whos life style did not affect their children or family or parents in a negative way.
The worst examples were surprisingly not the losers , it was the guys who were "slick" and made money at it.
No matter how hard some of them tried , most didn't try at all , but a few did , to keep their business from their kids , eventually, the kids tried to be like dad.
Most ended up trying to fill shoes that were way bigger in their minds{and in the dads minds} than in reality and when they failed , they went to drugs, alcohol , suicide or prison, to escape.
The best gambler I ever met had three children and a wife, 2 went to prison all 4 became dope addicts and the 3 kids all died very young from drugs.
He was always very anti drugs and alcohol. {Go figure}
I used to gamble and one day I realised I didn't like the guy I was when I gambled , I started looking for that change in other people and guess what , everyone I have watched changes when they gamble, with some people it is almost imperceptable , until they get stuck real bad or get in a bad game.
It's there though if you look and listen .
Gambling is a vice and every vice has to be paid for in my mind.
If you don't pay for it , someone you know will.
One poster said he was the type gambler most people would call a nit,
He is the majority of gamblers everywhere, they hear about someone turning a toothpick into a lumberyard and chase that dream all their lives.
{ I did it too}
I chased a guy they called stutterman for almost 2 years until one day my wife said I was like a prostitute to him and the idea of winning his money, I almost got sick that she would feel that way about me.
Once I thought about it , she was right, that's exactly how I was acting.
To me , the worst that could happen is that you actually do score big.
I have seen about a dozen people in 50 years make big scores and all but 1 I know for sure ended up real bad.
I think all the one lost was his family. {to some people that is a small price to pay }.
We all have one finite resource we are born with, our time.
Everything in this world takes up your time.
We are all free to spend it however we choose for the most part.
I wish I could get back all the time I spent on barstools and in poolrooms and card rooms, I can't , so I can only hope someone younger who reads this understands what I am trying to say .
Enjoy life , there is nothing wrong with playing pool or cards or having a beer, just don't give your whole life to it like so many of us have.
When you toss the gambling illusion in there , it's just another reason to not be able to walk away.

You know that I don't like playing for fun and I know that you don't gamble anymore but you're one of the few people that I've ever played for fun and had fun...... LOL

CJ Wiley
09-19-2013, 08:25 PM
This would be true for the majority, but I personally know of two hustlers who made a lot of cash, bought nice homes and still have money and never did anything but gamble. Well, steal would be more like it. Junior Sweatmon was one of the best rough hustlers to ever play the game, along with many flimflams, and made hundreds of thousand in Chicago in the 60's and 70's along with Detroit and Flint. He could also play some, he beat Ronnie Allen and many other top players on a barbox. Most of the time he could get champions to give him spots like the 7 and the break, where they had no chance, but most never did know his true speed.. I once watched him win over 30,000 in Tupelo.Ms at a big tournament in the 70's, with many top players and he took the cash down getting weight they couldn't outrun. He is close to 80 and still beats many of the locals when the opportunity comes up. Let me also add, he would do anything to get the money and drew no line.

I few of us got really lucky. When I look back at how much I've gambled and how lucky I was to win in some spots that was purely "outrunning the nutz," it's truly amazing.

book collector
09-19-2013, 08:51 PM
You know that I don't like playing for fun and I know that you don't gamble anymore but you're one of the few people that I've ever played for fun and had fun...... LOL

I enjoyed it too bud .
Plus I heard you landed the fish you were after later didn't you?
Heh.

The Saw
09-19-2013, 09:10 PM
Plus I heard you landed the fish you were after later didn't you?

Like Chris says... It's what I do. LOL

DogsPlayingPool
09-20-2013, 01:46 AM
Gambling was something that I guess I could say I grew out of. When I was young (high school and college) I gambled often and for a lot. Pool, poker, bowling, the track...all on a regular basis.

Somewhere along the way on my career I lost that high level of enjoyment I used to get from it. This was partly because when I was younger I had no responsibilities, no bills to pay to speak of, and of course that changed. But perhaps more importantly there became a disconnect between the joy of winning and the angst of losing. What I mean by that is these days, if I went to Vegas and won $5K it would of course be nice, but really it wouldn't be a big deal in that my regular monthly expenses are more than that. So it's not life changing money. But if I lost $5K, I'd be really, really pissed, knowing how hard I've worked to make that money. I'd have to win more than $50K to get as excited as losing $5K would upset me.

So the utility of winning versus losing became a complete mismatch, and with this realization went my enjoyment for heavy gambling.

Of course this doesn't mean I don't gamble, but for me it is recreation and so I stay within what keeps me comfortable. I don't indulge to the point it would become upsetting.

As far as games like pool (or golf), I enjoy playing with a little something on the light but really have no need to gamble to enjoy it. I think that is because they are games of skill so I enjoy the challenge for it's own sake. On the other hand I'd have no reason to play the slots or dice if money wasn't involved. For these kinds of activities, they only exist to gamble, winning or losing money is how you keep score.

JoeyA
09-20-2013, 09:18 AM
Those of us who gamble know the ups and downs of gambling and if we're lucky enough, we don't have the need to chase lost money on bad bets.

I was thinking about my dad's gambling problem and who knows, maybe it wasn't a problem for him. For all I know, his gambling at the ponies could easily have occurred after his children were already gone from the nest.

My mom played bingo regularly and for her it was a little more than a pastime. After the children were all grown, she enjoyed playing bingo at least a few times per week. Once, she won what they call a black out for $50,000.00. It was a once in a lifetime accomplishment but she was sure it could happen again. Before she managed to spend the $50,000 back, I strongly encouraged her to spend several thousand dollars on making her home more comfortable for her and dad. She did as I asked, with me pulling in favors from friends, we had luxurious carpet installed, new siding and maybe even added a window a/c unit or two. Mom and dad lived frugally and the 6 children didn't expect any inheritance but I wanted to make sure that mom and dad had a nice house to live in in their remaining days and they did, despite their penchant for gambling.

The next story isn't quite so nice as it involves one of our local gamblers and pool players. We'll just call him a name I made up, "Robert". Well Robert had a job in the insurance industry and made well over a hundred thousand dollars a year back in the 70's and 80's. He was successful in his industry and could be quite persuasive when he wanted to. Another pool player who tried his hand at selling insurance with Robert, said he could hypnotize his customers with his eyes and talk. The bottom line was Robert made very good money.

Those of you who recognize "Robert", please don't divulge his real name.

Robert regularly gambled at pool and was a pretty good pool player but he just didn't know how to keep winning. Usually, he managed somehow to lose everything he had won plus more and that was on a good day. Robert's family suffered and we all took turns taking a piece of Robert's big paycheck. Sometimes there would be arguments about who was going to play Robert that day. Robert was always a great score, although he would cheat at pool on a regular basis. Most of us would turn a blind eye to him stealing a ball here and there or we would look the other way when he committed a marginal foul.

Robert would often gamble for multiple days, non-stop, playing like a man possessed. Sometimes he would stay in the poolroom for two and three days without taking a shower and although he was a professional in the insurance industry, on the second and especially the third day, he stunk like a bum. Still, people would jockey for who would get to play him next. We all knew that if he stayed, he was going to lose and he always stayed, so most of us figured, "Well someone's gonna get his money and it might as well be me." We really didn't have any mercy on this guy. He was a sucker and we were thieves. Sure every now and then he would beat us out of some dough but that just kept him coming back for more and we all knew it. We didn't have any reservation taking his money and offering him games that he thought he had a chance at winning, even though we knew his gambling was causing hardship to his family. One day after Robert was in the pool room on the second day, his very good looking wife came in with their 3 year old son on her hip. Robert was playing $30 one pocket and losing. He probably had lost a thousand or two over those three days and the wife was steaming. I remember the table the two guys were playing on and when Robert's wife came in they were in the middle of the game. The wife came in the pool room screaming at Robert. I don't remember the actual words but they weren't from a calm, cool and collected woman. She placed the child in the middle of the pool table, balls scattering everywhere, Robert sheepishly looking at the other guy with a "What can I do look on his face?" and she screamed, "Well, now you can take care of him!" or something to that effect. Robert's family life was chaotic to say the least but the family struggled to stay together.

There were other times when Robert's gambling caused problems far too many to mention. The losses repeated themselves year after year, month after month, week after week for over two decades. Who knows how much money he lost and how much his family suffered? Eventually ,they divorced and Robert found another wife several years later. Robert was successful, well at least he knew how to make money. His only problem was keeping it. His new wife was a very nice woman and took to raising Robert's son who was by now 18 years of age. Robert hadn't kicked the habit of gambling and was worse off 20 years. This time, Robert, his new wife and young son were in the pool room watching Robert lose his last $500. When the last $50 disappeared from his pocket, he looked at his relatively new wife and asked her for the $200 that she kept hidden from him. The obedient wife gave him the $200 and Robert kept gambling and losing. Finally the $200 was gone. Robert was certain he could outrun the nuts and tried borrowing money from other member of the pool community. By now, Robert's reputation for slow-paying old debts was well known and Robert couldn't get any additional money whether it was from the fact that everyone knew he was in a game he couldn't win or the fact that they might not get paid back.

The icing on the cake was when he looked at his 18 year old son who worked at McDonalds and had just gotten paid and said, "You got that $64.00?" His son had just gotten his week's pay and had just cashed his check and had the $64 in his pocket. The son wailed, "DAD, that is all the money I have in the world. I WORKED HARD FOR THAT MONEY!" Robert bellowed, "GIVE IT TO ME" and his son did. Robert lost that money just as fast as the rest of the money. The look on his son's face and that of his new wife's face was something that turned my stomach and made me sick inside, knowing that I was a part of the people in the pool room that regularly took money from that family. No, that day, it wasn't me gambling with Robert but it could have been me just as well as it could have been anyone of the rest of us. The pool rooms I grew up in were a treacherous place and only the strong and smart survived. I think many of us justified that because Robert made a lot of money and he was a sucker, we should just take him for what we could and I don't believe a lot of thought was ever given to how his family suffered. Thankfully, after about over 25 years of losing, that was the last day that Robert ever gambled at pool. It's been quite a few years now but I hear life has improved for him and his "new" family and maybe this time the gambling addiction won't resurface.

JoeyA

CJ Wiley
09-20-2013, 01:37 PM
Those of us who gamble know the ups and downs of gambling and if we're lucky enough, we don't have the need to chase lost money on bad bets.

I was thinking about my dad's gambling problem and who knows, maybe it wasn't a problem for him. For all I know, his gambling at the ponies could easily have occurred after his children were already gone from the nest.

My mom played bingo regularly and for her it was a little more than a pastime. After the children were all grown, she enjoyed playing bingo at least a few times per week. Once, she won what they call a black out for $50,000.00. It was a once in a lifetime accomplishment but she was sure it could happen again. Before she managed to spend the $50,000 back, I strongly encouraged her to spend several thousand dollars on making her home more comfortable for her and dad. She did as I asked, with me pulling in favors from friends, we had luxurious carpet installed, new siding and maybe even added a window a/c unit or two. Mom and dad lived frugally and the 6 children didn't expect any inheritance but I wanted to make sure that mom and dad had a nice house to live in in their remaining days and they did, despite their penchant for gambling.

The next story isn't quite so nice as it involves one of our local gamblers and pool players. We'll just call him a name I made up, "Robert". Well Robert had a job in the insurance industry and made well over a hundred thousand dollars a year back in the 70's and 80's. He was successful in his industry and could be quite persuasive when he wanted to. Another pool player who tried his hand at selling insurance with Robert, said he could hypnotize his customers with his eyes and talk. The bottom line was Robert made very good money.

Those of you who recognize "Robert", please don't divulge his real name.

Robert regularly gambled at pool and was a pretty good pool player but he just didn't know how to keep winning. Usually, he managed somehow to lose everything he had won plus more and that was on a good day. Robert's family suffered and we all took turns taking a piece of Robert's big paycheck. Sometimes there would be arguments about who was going to play Robert that day. Robert was always a great score, although he would cheat at pool on a regular basis. Most of us would turn a blind eye to him stealing a ball here and there or we would look the other way when he committed a marginal foul.

Robert would often gamble for multiple days, non-stop, playing like a man possessed. Sometimes he would stay in the poolroom for two and three days without taking a shower and although he was a professional in the insurance industry, on the second and especially the third day, he stunk like a bum. Still, people would jockey for who would get to play him next. We all knew that if he stayed, he was going to lose and he always stayed, so most of us figured, "Well someone's gonna get his money and it might as well be me." We really didn't have any mercy on this guy. He was a sucker and we were thieves. Sure every now and then he would beat us out of some dough but that just kept him coming back for more and we all knew it. We didn't have any reservation taking his money and offering him games that he thought he had a chance at winning, even though we knew his gambling was causing hardship to his family. One day after Robert was in the pool room on the second day, his very good looking wife came in with their 3 year old son on her hip. Robert was playing $30 one pocket and losing. He probably had lost a thousand or two over those three days and the wife was steaming. I remember the table the two guys were playing on and when Robert's wife came in they were in the middle of the game. The wife came in the pool room screaming at Robert. I don't remember the actual words but they weren't from a calm, cool and collected woman. She placed the child in the middle of the pool table, balls scattering everywhere, Robert sheepishly looking at the other guy with a "What can I do look on his face?" and she screamed, "Well, now you can take care of him!" or something to that effect. Robert's family life was chaotic to say the least but the family struggled to stay together.

There were other times when Robert's gambling caused problems far too many to mention. The losses repeated themselves year after year, month after month, week after week for over two decades. Who knows how much money he lost and how much his family suffered? Eventually ,they divorced and Robert found another wife several years later. Robert was successful, well at least he knew how to make money. His only problem was keeping it. His new wife was a very nice woman and took to raising Robert's son who was by now 18 years of age. Robert hadn't kicked the habit of gambling and was worse off 20 years. This time, Robert, his new wife and young son were in the pool room watching Robert lose his last $500. When the last $50 disappeared from his pocket, he looked at his relatively new wife and asked her for the $200 that she kept hidden from him. The obedient wife gave him the $200 and Robert kept gambling and losing. Finally the $200 was gone. Robert was certain he could outrun the nuts and tried borrowing money from other member of the pool community. By now, Robert's reputation for slow-paying old debts was well known and Robert couldn't get any additional money whether it was from the fact that everyone knew he was in a game he couldn't win or the fact that they might not get paid back.

The icing on the cake was when he looked at his 18 year old son who worked at McDonalds and had just gotten paid and said, "You got that $64.00?" His son had just gotten his week's pay and had just cashed his check and had the $64 in his pocket. The son wailed, "DAD, that is all the money I have in the world. I WORKED HARD FOR THAT MONEY!" Robert bellowed, "GIVE IT TO ME" and his son did. Robert lost that money just as fast as the rest of the money. The look on his son's face and that of his new wife's face was something that turned my stomach and made me sick inside, knowing that I was a part of the people in the pool room that regularly took money from that family. No, that day, it wasn't me gambling with Robert but it could have been me just as well as it could have been anyone of the rest of us. The pool rooms I grew up in were a treacherous place and only the strong and smart survived. I think many of us justified that because Robert made a lot of money and he was a sucker, we should just take him for what we could and I don't believe a lot of thought was ever given to how his family suffered. Thankfully, after about over 25 years of losing, that was the last day that Robert ever gambled at pool. It's been quite a few years now but I hear life has improved for him and his "new" family and maybe this time the gambling addiction won't resurface.

JoeyA

yeah, it's bad luck gambling McDonald's money....I'm glad he learned his lesson. ;)

BeachBum2012
09-20-2013, 02:16 PM
I don't gamble very often, and almost never on pool. I'm not good enough to tell if I have a higher than average chance at beating someone I don't know at pool to put money up on it. I do play cards and craps in Vegas once a year or so and tend to do fairly well. The craps tables paid for my entire trip to the APA Nationals in August. I only gamble what I am willing to spend on entertainment though. I'll lose at most $200 in a day in Vegas.

My dad, however, is a terrible gambler. Years back he came into a fair amount of money through inheritance. Six figures type money. A lot of his family had moved to Arizona so he thought he should do the same and we found him a nice place outside of Phoenix and I rented the house I grew up in from him. Turns out he got bored in Arizona and there are quite a few Indian casinos. In just shy of a year he had lost the entire 6 figure inheritance, was 4 months behind on both mortgages, despite the fact that I was sending him a check for one of them every months and owed money all over the place. I ended up having to empty my retirement account to pay off his debt and catch up on the bills. After the penalties and taxes I paid as a result it was close to $30,000 that it cost me to get him back on his feet. That was about 6 years ago. I was 25.

He has been slowly been paying be back and I have got his finances back on track. I made him sell his house in Arizona and move back to California so I could keep an eye on him. He is doing much better now and only slips up every now and then but I've restricted his accounts so he can't do any real damage. I have almost no real savings and am just now getting my credit sorted out thanks to the ordeal. I wanted to buy a house soon, but don't have the money for a down payment thanks to this.

Gambling can really screw you up if you can't control yourself.

1on1pooltournys
09-20-2013, 02:40 PM
I don't bet more than what I can afford to lose.



This solves any and all problems that come with gambling. It's just like all things in life, and that is it takes discipline. Simple as that.

JoeyA
09-20-2013, 04:49 PM
I don't gamble very often, and almost never on pool. I'm not good enough to tell if I have a higher than average chance at beating someone I don't know at pool to put money up on it. I do play cards and craps in Vegas once a year or so and tend to do fairly well. The craps tables paid for my entire trip to the APA Nationals in August. I only gamble what I am willing to spend on entertainment though. I'll lose at most $200 in a day in Vegas.

My dad, however, is a terrible gambler. Years back he came into a fair amount of money through inheritance. Six figures type money. A lot of his family had moved to Arizona so he thought he should do the same and we found him a nice place outside of Phoenix and I rented the house I grew up in from him. Turns out he got bored in Arizona and there are quite a few Indian casinos. In just shy of a year he had lost the entire 6 figure inheritance, was 4 months behind on both mortgages, despite the fact that I was sending him a check for one of them every months and owed money all over the place. I ended up having to empty my retirement account to pay off his debt and catch up on the bills. After the penalties and taxes I paid as a result it was close to $30,000 that it cost me to get him back on his feet. That was about 6 years ago. I was 25.

He has been slowly been paying be back and I have got his finances back on track. I made him sell his house in Arizona and move back to California so I could keep an eye on him. He is doing much better now and only slips up every now and then but I've restricted his accounts so he can't do any real damage. I have almost no real savings and am just now getting my credit sorted out thanks to the ordeal. I wanted to buy a house soon, but don't have the money for a down payment thanks to this.

Gambling can really screw you up if you can't control yourself.

You're one hell of a son!

Daddy needs some tough love. :wink:

People that work in the casino can tell numerous nightmare stories about people who start gambling and go BAD.....I mean really BAD............

JoeyA

BeachBum2012
09-20-2013, 08:09 PM
You're one hell of a son!

Daddy needs some tough love. :wink:

People that work in the casino can tell numerous nightmare stories about people who start gambling and go BAD.....I mean really BAD............

JoeyA

Thanks. Its taken years, but he really seems to be doing better. It's gotten to the point where I've let him regain control of some of his own finances as long as I have access to keep an eye on things.

It is amazing the depths to which people can sink. It can be a disease really.

smokey
09-21-2013, 03:28 PM
just wanted to add that i too thought your post was Great!

tks for taking the time to share it.

all the best,
smokey


Thanks to everyone for the positive responses to my post , I have to admit I expected the exact opposite .
I am pleasantly surprised and must now reevaluate my thought processes, thanks a lot!