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LeftyIke
09-17-2013, 12:26 AM
Thorsten seems to be great at a number of games,especially Straight Pool,but wins over great players in 9 & 10 Ball too. Can you consider him the Best in the World right now,and a cinch hall-of-Famer? Where do you rank him All-Time? I realize that he's only 34 or so.

marek
09-17-2013, 01:55 AM
One of the hottest player on the planet atm and future hall of famer. His fundamentals are so damn perfect...

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JAM
09-17-2013, 02:01 AM
Thorsten seems to be great at a number of games,especially Straight Pool,but wins over great players in 9 & 10 Ball too. Can you consider him the Best in the World right now,and a cinch hall-of-Famer? Where do you rank him All-Time? I realize that he's only 34 or so.

Does Europe have a hall of fame? I did not know that. Who is in it so far?

marek
09-17-2013, 02:38 AM
Bca hall of fame doesnt include only us players,it is open for all players given their achievements. And Toastie would be good pick+he has lots of good years ahead of him ;)

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gxman
09-17-2013, 02:39 AM
the flavor of the week..

one week its svb, the next its orcullo.

this week, its toastey.

it's just the nature of pool.

voiceofreason
09-17-2013, 02:42 AM
BCA hall of fame includes people that are not professional pool players let alone Americans..

spartan
09-17-2013, 02:47 AM
right now yes probably he is inform best player in world right now having won 9 ball and straight pool
But unlike in old days, where there is much less competition and top players can remain at top for long periods these days,the lead at top keep changing.
Remember few years ago, it was SVB who was hot
Then Mika was hot winning US open , World etc
Then it was Orcullo, then Appleton

Best player in world keeps changing. Easily up to 50 top players can be best player at any time. While he is flavor of the moment he best savor it and enjoy it.
As for Hall of fame, he definitely has one foot in
Of the 3 straight pool world he has won only the first one in 2006 is recognised by WPA as world championship.
He should win a top 10 ball tourney or next month's international challenge of champions to dispel doubting thomases :grin:

brandoncook26
09-17-2013, 03:08 AM
Does Europe have a hall of fame? I did not know that. Who is in it so far?

I didn't realize that Ralf Souqet and Efren had become Americans when they were voted in. Guess you learn something new everyday :)

JAM
09-17-2013, 03:27 AM
My point is this: Why doesn't Europe have a hall of fame? I had thought maybe they did and I was not aware of it.

It has nothing to do with who's inducted in the BCA Hall of Fame.

JAM
09-17-2013, 03:30 AM
I didn't realize that Ralf Souqet and Efren had become Americans when they were voted in. Guess you learn something new everyday :)

I think there are other pool-related halls of fame in existence. For example, OnePocket.org has a hall of fame. :)

BCA has a hall of fame. :)

New England Pool has a hall of fame. :)

I am curious if there are any other pool-related entities that have a hall of fame.

Are Americans the only ones who have pool-related halls of fame?

kolaas
09-17-2013, 03:56 AM
Id say he is a hall of famer for sure, and maybe no1.

for entertainment:
Thorsten Long Shot Drill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGFc0puuBI

I'd so scramble that line of balls :grin:

jhanso18
09-17-2013, 06:12 AM
I wouldn't put him world #1 for sure. He's not even #1 in the money just on AZB.

I also have no idea if the guy can grind out a long set. He's certainly a hot tourney player at the moment no doubt, but definitely not the current #1.

Also might wanna look here:

http://www.azbilliards.com/people/

still 20k+ behind SVB...

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 06:18 AM
He is right now but that doesn't mean he will be next week. After all no one would have argued he was #1 just 40 days ago. It's hard to be in peak #1 form for too long.

JAM
09-17-2013, 06:19 AM
He is right now but that doesn't mean he will be next week. After all no one would have argued he was #1 just 40 days ago. It's hard to be in peak #1 form for too long.

Good point. :smile:

Just curious, but which player in the history of pool do you think had the longest streak of winning? This includes both tournament play and/or gambling.

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 06:25 AM
Good point. :smile:

Just curious, but which player in the history of pool do you think had the longest streak of winning? This includes both tournament play and/or gambling.

Mosconi? Cooney? Pots and Pans? who knows?

JAM
09-17-2013, 06:26 AM
Mosconi? Cooney? Pots and Pans? who knows?

In my lifetime, I am thinking it is Earl Strickland, but I would be interested to learn from others who know more about players from yesteryear. Willie Mosconi for sure was the most publicized during his era. Maybe that's the longest streak. Not sure.

sjm
09-17-2013, 06:31 AM
I don't feel Thorsten is best, but he is now in the conversation with Shane Van Boening, Darren Appleton, Dennis Orcullo, Alex Pagualyan, Carlo Biado and Francisco Bustamante.

Personally, I think Dennis Orcullo is the best player in the world, but let's make no mistake about it, Thorsten has earned his WPA #1 ranking. Those of us who count him as a friend, myself included, are very happy for him.

Thorsten is a future BCA Hall of Famer, but he'll have to wait until he turns 40 to be inducted (put it on your 2019 calendar).

On a related matter, Thorsten may soon be in the conversation with Willie Mosconi, Ralph Greenleaf and Irving Crane in the discipline of 14.1, but even that is premature.

cleary
09-17-2013, 06:33 AM
He's a great player but by no means the best in the world. He's had some great tournaments lately and on a hot streak but I don't think he's the best 10ball player or straight pool player... Or all around player. He's just playing good right now. It's not an insult, just my opinion.

3andstop
09-17-2013, 06:41 AM
Well ... here's my opinion. About twice a week a buddy of mine and I get together to play some pool. We flip a coin for the first break. He wins every single time, well, 90% anyway.

Is he a better coin flipper than I am?

My opinion is you can't determine the best player by a game that is SO sub par to the level of play these guys are capable of. Namely 9 ball and 10 ball. Far too much luck involved, and far too little challenge for these guys to run out to say who the best player is based on those games.

The best POOL player in general not rotation player, can only be determined by straight pool. It's the game with the least degree of luck involved, the requirement for the best and longest concentration, imagination and pattern play.

From there ... waddia think? Who's the best pool player?

StraightPoolIU
09-17-2013, 07:13 AM
I think you could safely say that Thorsten is the best straight pool player, and even in fact probably ranks among the best ever.

CreeDo
09-17-2013, 07:22 AM
There's not really any such thing as a best in the world right now, just the best for a given stretch of time.
If you're lucky that stretch of time is a long one... like Mika was the best for all of 2009.
Thorsten's stretch is several months now. Who knows if it will last or who will take over next.

I've heard gripes the HOF is not totally objective or unbiased so who knows if he'll make that.
And as for all-time, how do you compare a modern player who does 8/9/10b/14.1/1p to guys who dominated
only straight pool for decades?

Let's say that Thorsten is a real threat in any of the existing popular tournament formats.
He may not beat shane in 10 ball race to 100, but outside of a tar-length race he can win any straight pool
or 9b/10b tournament.

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 07:48 AM
Well ... here's my opinion. About twice a week a buddy of mine and I get together to play some pool. We flip a coin for the first break. He wins every single time, well, 90% anyway.

Is he a better coin flipper than I am?

My opinion is you can't determine the best player by a game that is SO sub par to the level of play these guys are capable of. Namely 9 ball and 10 ball. Far too much luck involved, and far too little challenge for these guys to run out to say who the best player is based on those games.

The best POOL player in general not rotation player, can only be determined by straight pool. It's the game with the least degree of luck involved, the requirement for the best and longest concentration, imagination and pattern play.

From there ... waddia think? Who's the best pool player?

Well the same guys seem to be getting lucky year after year. Check the top 5 this year and last. Then check the years before that.

boogeyman
09-17-2013, 08:21 AM
World's number one? In 14.1, yes, RIGHT NOW. In time he WILL be number one (as the major components of the game go, e.g. 10-, 9, 8-, ball & 14.1).

I feel it would be great for him to win a one-pocket tournament so as to establish himself as a true force. Or has one-hole gone by the wayside as merely an "extra dimension."

In any case, Mr. Hohmann is on track for a long career. He is considered in my eyes, the pool player who is healthy, both through exercise and nutrition. One who will be around a very long time. Plenty of time to become NUMBER ONE.....

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 08:29 AM
World's number one? In 14.1, yes, RIGHT NOW. In time he WILL be number one (as the major components of the game go, e.g. 10-, 9, 8-, ball & 14.1).

I feel it would be great for him to win a one-pocket tournament so as to establish himself as a true force. Or has one-hole gone by the wayside as merely an "extra dimension."

In any case, Mr. Hohmann is on track for a long career. He is considered in my eyes, the pool player who is healthy, both through exercise and nutrition. One who will be around a very long time. Plenty of time to become NUMBER ONE.....

You're talking like he is a rookie- He won the 9B World Championship 10 years ago.

NYC cue dude
09-17-2013, 08:37 AM
You're talking like he is a rookie- He won the 9B World Championship 10 years ago.

Won the world 9 ball championship twice. The world 14.1 title three times (it was an official world championship in 2006) and the BCA open. In 2006 he won the then largest monetary prize in the history of pool when he won an Ipt 8ball event pocketing $350k. In between, he was won many international and US regional pro events. You are looking at a future BCA hall of famer and straight pool hall of famer.

Currently, he has won the last 4 of 5 events he has entered
Accu-stats 14.1
World 14.1
World 9ball
Maryland 14.1

Nullus
09-17-2013, 09:02 AM
This is such a subjective, and opinionated topic. It's right there with "who is the best player of all time?", where old timers will favor the likes of Mosconi and others, while a different generation will lean towards Reyes era players and the younger still will go for SVB or another of the new generation of players.

More important than who is the best player right now is the question of whether he has already earned consideration for the HoF. There are a lot of great tournaments, in different game formats so while he might win straight pool and/or 9-ball, he might not win 10-ball which seems to be hot new game these last few years. So which tournament winner is better than the other? Who is to say, really? Maybe the field was tougher in one than in the other.

Back to the question of the HoF consideration. It's still a matter of opinion, and for what it's worth, I would say yes, he definitely has one foot in the door (as another reader posted), but he's still young and by the time he's actually considered, which could be years away, there might have been one or even two dozen other players come along in the form of a SVB, Toastie himself, or the second coming of the Pearl.

We are human and subject to crazy emotions where we can quickly take a hot young player and begin to think of him as an all time great. As such, players get put on different levels and sometimes unfortunately take the luster off of the accomplishments of those that came before them and set the standard.

I think he's going to be in the HoF one day, but it's a little early to even worry about it, he's young and on fire currently, why don't we just sit back and enjoy watching him play some very good pool? It's what i'm planning on doing.

LeftyIke
09-17-2013, 10:06 AM
Does Hohmann's supposed reluctance to gamble,push him lower in the rankings to hard-Core Gamblers such as Orcullo,SVB,Alex P.,Effren,etc...?

jhanso18
09-17-2013, 11:02 AM
I'd love to see what John Schmidt would do against him in race to 400+ format.

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 11:09 AM
I'd love to see what John Schmidt would do against him in race to 400+ format.

he'd win some and he'd lose some -saw alex beat JS 2x in a race to 300.

jhanso18
09-17-2013, 11:58 AM
he'd win some and he'd lose some -saw alex beat JS 2x in a race to 300.

that's pretty cool, is that on you tube anywhere?

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 12:16 PM
that's pretty cool, is that on you tube anywhere?

no- was at the DCC after midnite 10+ yrs ago or so. I think Alex won both games by 2 balls!!

CJ Wiley
09-17-2013, 01:00 PM
Thorsten seems to be great at a number of games,especially Straight Pool,but wins over great players in 9 & 10 Ball too. Can you consider him the Best in the World right now,and a cinch hall-of-Famer? Where do you rank him All-Time? I realize that he's only 34 or so.

The "Best" in the World is still Jeanette Lee according to the universal way of keeping score. ;) Her income from pool matches the 5 top Men put together....like Billy Incardona says, it's not how many games you win, it's the money you win that truly matters.....'The Prize Money is the Teacher'

http://www.westcoastleather.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/jeanette_lee-copy-197x300.jpghttp://www.poolmag.com/blog/assets/content/Jeanette-Lee.jpghttp://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/28th+Annual+Women+Sports+Foundation+Awards+I5fE2jB 5Dmel.jpg

Nostroke
09-17-2013, 01:25 PM
I take it you're going to Indiana soon-ahahahahaha

and yes-she knows how to work a room-real well.

alstl
09-17-2013, 02:07 PM
Who is #1 is a matter of opinion but Hohmann will be a top player for a long time because he works out and stays in shape.

There is a long list of players who were on top for a minute but poor habits and failure to take care of their body caused their game to decline.

DogsPlayingPool
09-17-2013, 02:20 PM
I think there are other pool-related halls of fame in existence. For example, OnePocket.org has a hall of fame. :)

BCA has a hall of fame. :)

New England Pool has a hall of fame. :)

I am curious if there are any other pool-related entities that have a hall of fame.

Are Americans the only ones who have pool-related halls of fame?

Jam, you left out the CW Hall of Fame. :rolleyes:.:grin-square: