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freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 05:43 AM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,


Beard

Kickin' Chicken
01-18-2014, 05:53 AM
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

that should be fun and interesting for them. :wink:

thx for the headsup, Mr. Beard.

best,
brian kc

gutshot
01-18-2014, 06:01 AM
Freddy,

How about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. competition, young up and comers vs. aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly

JAM
01-18-2014, 06:15 AM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,


Beard

Good work, Freddy! :)

Charlie Hustle
01-18-2014, 06:19 AM
Freddy,

How about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. competition, young up and comers vs. aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly

Because unfortunately, the masses don't care or will not watch what you just described. Now on the other hand, even people who don't follow pool will stop and watch a woofing match, 2 guys playing for big money, or a cheat or thieve. Sad but true. Kinda like what happened with poker, people who had never played in their lives, would tune in and watch the high stakes and the guys with personality.

cleary
01-18-2014, 06:34 AM
Freddy,

How about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. competition, young up and comers vs. aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly


Every attempt to "church up" pool has set pool back. Pool is what it is and trying to change it ruins it.

Charlie Hustle
01-18-2014, 06:39 AM
Every attempt to "church up" pool has set pool back. Pool is what it is and trying to change it ruins it.

What you doing awake so early on a Saturday morning, brother?

Mr. Bond
01-18-2014, 06:54 AM
Oooo Freddy be a movie stahhhhh

SCCues
01-18-2014, 06:55 AM
Good work, Freddy! :)

This might open the door to some kind of reality show on the History Channel. That network is big into reality TV. One of their big hits is "Pawn Stars" and I love to watch that show. Wouldn't it be great for them to do something with Pool!

freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 06:58 AM
Freddy,

How about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. competition, young up and comers vs. aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly

Sorry Kelly, but the only thing those TV people are interested in are the gamblers.

Beard

freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 06:59 AM
Every attempt to "church up" pool has set pool back. Pool is what it is and trying to change it ruins it.

My point exactly. I am going to take those TV guys down some roads that they never dreamed existed!

Beard

Johnnyt
01-18-2014, 07:04 AM
How many books and movies are/were about tournament players? How many were about gambling and hustling? I rest my case. Go get em Freddy. Johnnyt

Charlie Hustle
01-18-2014, 07:04 AM
Sorry Kelly, but the only thing those TV people are interested in are the gamblers.

Beard

And they rightfully should be.

nb92
01-18-2014, 07:07 AM
Freddy,

How about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. competition, young up and comers vs. aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly

He said ESPN and the History Channel ... not PBS or the BBC... :thumbup:

The Renfro
01-18-2014, 07:08 AM
Yeah... cleaning up snooker's image did absolutely nothing for the sport /snicker

StraightPoolIU
01-18-2014, 07:44 AM
Yeah it's not really appealing to the upscale demographic that would be attractive to sponsors, but at this point beggars can't be choosers. Getting eyeballs watching and getting more people wanting to play is good for everybody. Let er rip Freddy.

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pt109
01-18-2014, 07:48 AM
I hope the Dipster shows up.

cleary
01-18-2014, 07:53 AM
What you doing awake so early on a Saturday morning, brother?

Pool tournament donation. Hope I find a way to start writing these off.

cleary
01-18-2014, 07:57 AM
Yeah... cleaning up snooker's image did absolutely nothing for the sport /snicker

How's snooker doing in the states? Hmmm

Kickin' Chicken
01-18-2014, 07:59 AM
Yeah it's not really appealing to the upscale demographic that would be attractive to sponsors, but at this point beggars can't be choosers. Getting eyeballs watching and getting more people wanting to play is good for everybody. Let er rip Freddy.

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like the upscale demographic who are glued to duck dynasty, honey boo boo, and the kardashians? :wink:

best,
brian kc

KoolKat9Lives
01-18-2014, 08:11 AM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,


Beard

Very cool Freddy! Hey... Do you have an idea what they're hoping the finished production will be and when it may be aired? I wanna see, I wanna watch!

Work it brother! Good Luck!

Roadking
01-18-2014, 08:18 AM
Oooo Freddy be a movie stahhhhh
Mr. Beard you gonna need a body guard from all the pavarazzi? Let me know, I'm available.

JCIN
01-18-2014, 08:48 AM
"This week on the History Channel Pool Action Stars see Little Pooter dump off not one but three backers in a single game. Also drama arises when White Willy runs out of Adderall in the middle of a two day session."

Everyone better be careful what they wish for. Reality TV is not going to make pool look good. Think more Honey Boo Boo and less Duck Dynasty. They will find the worst possible people to put in front of the camera and then just let them act like as big of fools as they are capable of.

If you subscribe to the any pub is good pub school then it wont matter and I suppose at this point nothing could make it any worse. I just dont know if I could take watching two guys scream at each other over a $100 a game one pocket on my TV set. Hopefully Freddy can steer them towards things that dont look retarded but my guess is they wont be interested in those.

lfigueroa
01-18-2014, 09:00 AM
"This week on the History Channel Pool Action Stars see Little Pooter dump off not one but three backers in a single game. Also drama arises when White Willy runs out of Adderall in the middle of a two day session."

Everyone better be careful what they wish for. Reality TV is not going to make pool look good. Think more Honey Boo Boo and less Duck Dynasty. They will find the worst possible people to put in front of the camera and then just let them act like as big of fools as they are capable of.

If you subscribe to the any pub is good pub school then it wont matter and I suppose at this point nothing could make it any worse. I just dont know if I could take watching two guys scream at each other over a $100 a game one pocket on my TV set. Hopefully Freddy can steer them towards things that dont look retarded but my guess is they wont be interested in those.


Well spoke.

I spent many of my professional years dealing with those in the television media and what people do not realize is that dealing with TV is a double-edged sword. Someone says, "TV will be there, cool." Hmmm, not so fast -- once there you will have no control of them, what they record, and most importantly, how they will edit the final product. Like I said, it's a double-edged sword...

Lou Figueroa

nb92
01-18-2014, 09:20 AM
Well spoke.

I spent many of my professional years dealing with those in the television media and what people do not realize is that dealing with TV is a double-edged sword. Someone says, "TV will be there, cool." Hmmm, not so fast -- once there you will have no control of them, what they record, and most importantly, how they will edit the final product. Like I said, it's a double-edged sword...

Lou Figueroa

true... goodness knows what they will do with a hearing impaired guy, who was bullied in school... and through hard work, dedication has made the most of his talent and is now the best American player and possibly the best on the planet..

. of course seeing him play 1 pkt giving 15 to 3 for $30,000 or $1000 a game 1-ball one pocket against a legend of the game or crushing another one in a race to 100 would be bad for the image of the game... ... and then after he wins ... and leaves the catch phrase would be...

Guy who just lost says: " You see that's the thing.. after playing that guy... No one and I mean No one.. yells... Shane! come back Shane!"

freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 09:21 AM
I promise to shovel enough shit at those birds that they will need knee boots. Whatever happens, they aint gonna control me. I am too old and too ornery to be influenced by money or success, or women for that matter.

Beard

freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 09:23 AM
true... goodness knows what they will do with a hearing impaired guy, who was bullied in school... and through hard work, dedication has made the most of his talent and is now the best American player and possibly the best on the planet..

. of course seeing him play 1 pkt giving 15 to 3 for $30,000 or $1000 a game 1-ball one pocket against a legend of the game or crushing another one in a race to 100 would be bad for the image of the game... ... and then after he wins ... and leaves the catch phrase would be...

Guy who just lost says: " You see that's the thing.. after playing that guy... No one and I mean No one.. yells... Shane! come back Shane!"



Now there is a line that deserves air time!

Beard

chefjeff
01-18-2014, 09:24 AM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,

The History Channel????!!!!

Proof, positive that Freddy is an Ancient Alien!!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Jeff Livingston

justadub
01-18-2014, 09:28 AM
I hope the Dipster shows up.

Oh my....that might turn into an episode or two :eek:

Actually, since he is somewhat of a known entity from poker, that would give them plenty of material to work with

nb92
01-18-2014, 09:31 AM
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Now there is a line that deserves air time!

Beard

It yours FREE of charge! (thanks for all your books, videos, stories and knowledge you put back out there for us to use and enjoy!)

elvicash
01-18-2014, 09:36 AM
"This week on the History Channel Pool Action Stars see Little Pooter dump off not one but three backers in a single game. Also drama arises when White Willy runs out of Adderall in the middle of a two day session."

Everyone better be careful what they wish for. Reality TV is not going to make pool look good. Think more Honey Boo Boo and less Duck Dynasty. They will find the worst possible people to put in front of the camera and then just let them act like as big of fools as they are capable of.

If you subscribe to the any pub is good pub school then it wont matter and I suppose at this point nothing could make it any worse. I just dont know if I could take watching two guys scream at each other over a $100 a game one pocket on my TV set. Hopefully Freddy can steer them towards things that dont look retarded but my guess is they wont be interested in those.

More common sense from JCIN. I wish the right people from pool could get time with some people with actual high end media outlet potential and actually do something that would be good for pool and getting it in front of the public. It's a beautiful game/sport but so easily maligned by the recurring bad actors that are fairly pervasive throughout its history. Oh well Scooter will be on TV I'm sure, and pool will go back in the closet for another decade.

Charlie Hustle
01-18-2014, 09:37 AM
Pool tournament donation. Hope I find a way to start writing these off.

Gotcha. Well it def beats where im at. (Work) Good luck in the tourney

Neil
01-18-2014, 09:41 AM
While a lot of us old timers would love watching it, I just don't see how shining a national spotlight on what is an illegal activity in most places is going to help pool at all. Not to mention bringing it to the attention of the IRS. ???? Remember what stopped the Johnson City tournaments?

nb92
01-18-2014, 09:49 AM
While a lot of us old timers would love watching it, I just don't see how shining a national spotlight on what is an illegal activity in most places is going to help pool at all. Not to mention bringing it to the attention of the IRS. ???? Remember what stopped the Johnson City tournaments?

well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:

freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 10:07 AM
My final thought on all of this? I only wish that Detroit Whitey, CornBread Red, Fatty, Ronnie, Cole, Omaha Fats, and a few other beauties were still around to parade in front of the cameras.

Beard

oldzilla
01-18-2014, 10:08 AM
I promise to shovel enough shit at those birds that they will need knee boots. Whatever happens, they aint gonna control me. I am too old and too ornery to be influenced by money or success, or women for that matter.

Beard

But hey Freddie don't forget to let them know there is mostly honor amongst the gamblers and only a small percentage if stiffs and dirtbags !

Hence the good action list vs. the bad action list !

Nostroke
01-18-2014, 10:18 AM
As i recall HBO was there 8-10 yrs ago. Nothing came of it unfortunately.

JCIN
01-18-2014, 10:32 AM
well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:

That might be the best mainstream article I have read on pool. Never seen it before. Thanks for the link.

When gambling is used as a story telling method like in that article its great.

1on1pooltournys
01-18-2014, 10:48 AM
well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:

Great article! I'd never seen this either!

Dave714
01-18-2014, 11:15 AM
It sounds good.

KoolKat9Lives
01-18-2014, 11:17 AM
well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:


That article is a must read. Thanks nb92.

PINKLADY
01-18-2014, 11:21 AM
well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:

killer story!
and
you were there?!?!

pt109
01-18-2014, 11:40 AM
My final thought on all of this? I only wish that Detroit Whitey, CornBread Red, Fatty, Ronnie, Cole, Omaha Fats, and a few other beauties were still around to parade in front of the cameras.

Beard

Don't forget Peter Rabbit.....when a reporter was told about all the scrapes he was in....
...he said "You must really like this game to put up with all that."
Peter said "If you like this game, you don"t have a chance......
....you gotta love it."

PETROBOY
01-18-2014, 11:52 AM
well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:

That was a good read thanks for posting it.


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$TAKE HOR$E
01-18-2014, 11:57 AM
Television wants drama more than anything and they will create it if need be, I have a close relative that has been in the business for 50 years. News, Series, Reality, Sitcoms....etc its all more less the same. To film someone and air them on tv is not a free for all, its not the same as the ticky tack nonsense people capture and lambast all over YouTube, FaceBook and all the other socially dramatic online sites. Companies like the History channel and ESPN are for profit organizations, and mainstream to boot. What about the people who dont want to be filmed, what about the fact that they are gambling in a casino and what did The Nitshoe have to say about it? Just food for thought.....

JoeyA
01-18-2014, 12:22 PM
Congratulations Freddy! Ask the tv crews if they want to invest in a match or two.

That'll keep their attention.

It doesn't have to be much, just so they have a little skin in the game.

Best to you and yours,

JoeyA

nb92
01-18-2014, 12:26 PM
killer story!
and
you were there?!?!

Ya... the writer was following him around during the DCC. I was following the action around... surprisingly we kept ending up in the same place!

JoeyA
01-18-2014, 12:46 PM
Pool has ALREADY been pummeled into the ground. IT CAN'T GET ANY WORSE!

Professional American pool players are disgusted, the fans are disgusted, the academics of billiards are wringing their hands in frustration so a little airing of some of pool's more entertaining aspects might put a needed spotlight on pool that will put a little spring in it's step.

So far, trying to teach the pig to wear lipstick, a fashionable evening gown and walk like a lady just hasn't worked.

I'm all for giving Freddy and the TV crews carte blance at the DCC. Isn't gambling what the DCC is all about?

JoeyA

Nostroke
01-18-2014, 12:46 PM
killer story!
and
you were there?!?!

Me too-never ever will i forget that final shot. The place did go wild though there was not a BIG crowd at that hour.

Mkbtank
01-18-2014, 12:58 PM
Me too-never ever will i forget that final shot. The place did go wild though there was not a BIG crowd at that hour.


Great article I agree. Can you describe the shot again? It was tough to get from the article. Tks!


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freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 01:20 PM
Don't forget Peter Rabbit.....when a reporter was told about all the scrapes he was in....
...he said "You must really like this game to put up with all that."
Peter said "If you like this game, you don"t have a chance......
....you gotta love it."

of course, Peter Rabbit. Or as little Miami told Peter when he asked Miami to stake him, "You no Rabbit, Rabbit, you a big doggie!"

Beard

Nostroke
01-18-2014, 01:22 PM
Great article I agree. Can you describe the shot again? It was tough to get from the article. Tks!


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I have never been able to describe it well as i didn't see it coming either. All of a sudden the CB and OB are flying around the table in opposite directions. After quite a few rails they meet and cross each other -missing by 2 inches maybe at mid table -Now i catch on as does the crowd and the 'OHS' begin as the OB is heading towards Efrens pocket (right side) and the CB misses the scratch. The OB just went in DEAD center with a little speed left over. Just another great Efren moment which no one saw coming-at least not me.

Cliff looked up to the ceiling just a little and began unscrewing.

freddy the beard
01-18-2014, 01:22 PM
Congratulations Freddy! Ask the tv crews if they want to invest in a match or two.

That'll keep their attention.

It doesn't have to be much, just so they have a little skin in the game.

Best to you and yours,

JoeyA

In the old days I would turn them into backers.

Beard

briankenobi
01-18-2014, 02:54 PM
This will be interesting to see. JCIN had some great comments. If this sees airtime, this will either be something really good, or really bad. I hope the good part of the game is highlighted so sponsors outside of the game will invest in it. If the bad part of the game is highlighted, good luck with the fallout. The Shane example would be perfect for TV now a days with how they are big on the anti-bullying stuff. Even though they are on "Fred's turf", meaning a pool venue, it is still their show and their call. I truly hope something like this helps our game, but it also has the potential to damage it even more than it already is. I hope to see them shooting at derby when I get down there. :)

StraightPoolIU
01-18-2014, 04:02 PM
Wow that article was really good. I can't believe I hadn't read that before. Rarely do mainstream articles or features on pool portray the game so accurately and use the correct terminology. Also when the writer said Soquet looked like Tweety Bird I about died laughing.

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lfigueroa
01-18-2014, 04:27 PM
All I know is that someone is going to end up looking like Honey Boo Boo.

Lou Figueroa
Freddy gets
my vote :-)

nb92
01-18-2014, 04:39 PM
All I know is that someone is going to end up looking like Honey Boo Boo.

Lou Figueroa
Freddy gets
my vote :-)

Honey Lou Lou .... Maybe?

lfigueroa
01-18-2014, 05:40 PM
Honey Lou Lou .... Maybe?


lol, one of the the last refugees from the CTE wars, eh. oh well, even Hiroo eventually surrendered. Bub-bye ;-)

Lou Figueroa
haven't fed
the bit bin
in a while anyway

sjm
01-18-2014, 06:20 PM
Give them a good show, Freddie.

Kid Dynomite
01-18-2014, 10:28 PM
The Deathball show it will be!!!

KD

rhatten
01-19-2014, 12:02 AM
The Deathball show it will be!!!

KD

Oh God please no... just say No to Troy at the door.

JAM
01-19-2014, 02:46 AM
Get Shannon Daulton in front of the mic, and add Alex Pagulayan into the mix. Get a barkfest going. The action players who show no fear are the ones you need.

Hillbilly would be an excellent choice to watch.

I'm not sure who's going to DCC this year, but those are few colorful players who would put on a great show for the cameras.

Of course, Jeanette Lee will steal the show if she is in the house. ;)

Jerry Forsyth
01-19-2014, 05:20 AM
Freddy, does Harrah's know you are coming with this? My concern is that wagering between two players in not considered gambling in most states as it is a test of skill, not luck, and each player has the ability to affect the outcome.

But once railbirds start betting then it becomes gambling (and illegal) because they cannot affect the outcome of the contest. And gambling in a casino in any form for which the casino does not own a license could be problematic for the Casino and the event.

Maybe I am just paranoid, but does Harrah's (or Diamond) know about your plans?

punter
01-19-2014, 05:35 AM
Freddy, does Harrah's know you are coming with this? My concern is that wagering between two players in not considered gambling in most states as it is a test of skill, not luck, and each player has the ability to affect the outcome.

But once railbirds start betting then it becomes gambling (and illegal) because they cannot affect the outcome of the contest. And gambling in a casino in any form for which the casino does not own a license could be problematic for the Casino and the event.

Maybe I am just paranoid, but does Harrah's (or Diamond) know about your plans?

It sounds like they at least know( as does G. Sullivan), judging from Post#14 in Freddy's thread on onepocket.org :

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8611&page=2

Jerry Forsyth
01-19-2014, 05:50 AM
OK, cool! Just did not want anything to harm the party! See y'all there!

freddy the beard
01-19-2014, 07:06 AM
Freddy, does Harrah's know you are coming with this? My concern is that wagering between two players in not considered gambling in most states as it is a test of skill, not luck, and each player has the ability to affect the outcome.

But once railbirds start betting then it becomes gambling (and illegal) because they cannot affect the outcome of the contest. And gambling in a casino in any form for which the casino does not own a license could be problematic for the Casino and the event.

Maybe I am just paranoid, but does Harrah's (or Diamond) know about your plans?

Both constituents have talked to Greg Sullivan already. He aint worried.

Beard

gwk9ball
01-19-2014, 08:11 AM
Jam, talk Keith into coming and getting in front of the camera, that would surely be a hit, even the mainstream people that know nothing about pool would fall in love with him and the way he can work a room

1pocket
01-19-2014, 09:27 AM
Yeah... cleaning up snooker's image did absolutely nothing for the sport /snicker

Wrong. My impression is that most experts point to the late Hurricane Higgins appearance on the scene for the explosion of snooker's popularity. He was not exactly a church mouse

nb92
01-19-2014, 09:48 AM
Jam, talk Keith into coming and getting in front of the camera, that would surely be a hit, even the mainstream people that know nothing about pool would fall in love with him and the way he can work a room

a lot of people saw TCOM ... call it "In Search of Grady Seasons"...

314615

ChicagoRJ
01-19-2014, 09:54 AM
Freddy, you gonna pull your suit out the bottom drawer for this one :) Love to see that !!!

Later, Robert

Charlie Hustle
01-19-2014, 09:59 AM
Jam, talk Keith into coming and getting in front of the camera, that would surely be a hit, even the mainstream people that know nothing about pool would fall in love with him and the way he can work a room

Agree with this 100%. Even if he doesn't play, but gets people in action, the room and audience would love it.

JB Cases
01-19-2014, 10:01 AM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,


Beard

Don't forget to steer them to your favorite case maker! I am your favorite right?? :-)

takeitdown
01-19-2014, 10:37 AM
Freddy,

How about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. competition, young up and comers vs. aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. etc. etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly

Amen brother. There is no saving the game when things like this are rewarded.

freddy the beard
01-19-2014, 11:29 AM
Don't forget to steer them to your favorite case maker! I am your favorite right?? :-)

JB, how many of your cases do I have in my closet? I seem to have forgotten!:
(I believe my career has progressed to the point where all my pool paraphernalia is now gratis in trade for a professional endorsement.):grin:

Beard

watchez
01-19-2014, 02:20 PM
"This week on the History Channel Pool Action Stars see Little Pooter dump off not one but three backers in a single game. Also drama arises when White Willy runs out of Adderall in the middle of a two day session."

Everyone better be careful what they wish for. Reality TV is not going to make pool look good. Think more Honey Boo Boo and less Duck Dynasty. They will find the worst possible people to put in front of the camera and then just let them act like as big of fools as they are capable of.

If you subscribe to the any pub is good pub school then it wont matter and I suppose at this point nothing could make it any worse. I just dont know if I could take watching two guys scream at each other over a $100 a game one pocket on my TV set. Hopefully Freddy can steer them towards things that dont look retarded but my guess is they wont be interested in those.

This is exactly why I haven't been to the DCC in years. The fools are simply too much for me to take. Glad to see that you are finally seeing it -- or at least now talking about it.



Both constituents have talked to Greg Sullivan already. He aint worried.

Beard

Seems like there are a lot of holes here. I just dealt with the Golf Channel at my event in Houston for an entire weekend. We had to make an announcement before they started filming asking if anyone that didn't want to be on camera to come forward. Also, there was the feeling that they would try to spin it in a negative way until they met our crew and the players. The Golf Channel story line quickly changed. Sorry but I just don't see the posse of fools that run around the DCC pulling that off.

Brandon79ta
01-19-2014, 03:06 PM
Would it be good for pool even if they show how things really are for a lot of the hardcore loud mouth gamblers? You know showing how they go from having $10k to pawning jewelry and cues just to eat in the matter of a weekend. Then going out and robbing vending machines, selling dope, hustling college kids etc to build up a "bank roll" to go out and gamble it away again. Living off girlfriends or bumming from friend to friend sleeping on couches, living in cars or on the street. All in the pursuit of living the "good life".

Sure it will get people thinking about playing pool. That in turn might help get some of the younger generation playing. Which would be a great thing. Problem being it would make them want to ACT just like the losers they see on TV because that's how it's done right?

Now if you can manage to show both sides and show some of the players that act like professionals, have sponsors, etc that live a decent life and show viewers that it's not all pos losers then you'd be doing some good. Much like some of the intervention shows or shows about drugs. They show the bad and the drama but don't glamorize it. Use the bad to bring them in and then show the good.

Gunn_Slinger
01-19-2014, 03:12 PM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,


Beard

Congrats Freddy, can't think of a better spokesperson to introduce the real
gambling.
Have a great time.

JAM
01-19-2014, 03:28 PM
Jam, talk Keith into coming and getting in front of the camera, that would surely be a hit, even the mainstream people that know nothing about pool would fall in love with him and the way he can work a room

Wish we could, but I'm in the middle of a brutal work schedule right now.

I want to echo the others who think this is really cool, because I sure do.

I have noticed that sometimes when new things happen in the pool world, they sometimes goes political. Those who aren't involved with it want to put it down. And along come the testicle-dangling allies. What a shame!

I never thought we'd have Republicans and Democrats in the pool world, but we have political parties. If you're aligned with one pool political party, the tendency is to put down efforts by the other political party. Seesh! I get enough of that crap in my job here in D.C.

I'm rooting for Freddy, et al., to have a good showing at the Derby City Classic this week.:cool:

lfigueroa
01-19-2014, 03:44 PM
Wish we could, but I'm in the middle of a brutal work schedule right now.

I want to echo the others who think this is really cool, because I sure do.

I have noticed that sometimes when new things happen in the pool world, they sometimes goes political. Those who aren't involved with it want to put it down. And along come the testicle-dangling allies. What a shame!

I never thought we'd have Republicans and Democrats in the pool world, but we have political parties. If you're aligned with one pool political party, the tendency is to put down efforts by the other political party. Seesh! I get enough of that crap in my job here in D.C.

I'm rooting for Freddy, et al., to have a good showing at the Derby City Classic this week.:cool:


JAM, I don't believe anyone is putting anything down. It is just people talking about the realities of dealing with cameras on casino/hotel property.

People are gambling; people may be at the hotel with people they would rather not have udder people know about; they may be doing things they'd rather not have recorded.

It is a very delicate situation and I'd be surprised if Caesars Entertainment is fully aware of, and has blessed, what these guys may be doing. Now, having said that, we are talking about two established outlets, so maybe they've dotted the "i's" and crossed the "t's" with the property. But they'll still have to deal with the players, backers, and sweaters who may not want to be on-camera. I guess we'll all find out in a week or two.

Lou Figueroa

freddy the beard
01-19-2014, 05:30 PM
One thing y'all can count on is that I aint gonna dog it around Big business and Big TV. They will not push me around because I dont give enough of a shit. Just like I would never endorse a product that I didnt like, no matter what i was offered, money and a TV career dont ring enough of my bell to get me to do what I dont believe in.

Now, maybe if they had some new serum that allows a player to never miss a ball, and that was to be my reward, well that would be a different story entirely.

Beard

randytabares
01-19-2014, 05:52 PM
I hope it goes well. This is exciting news. I'm all for it. Thinking good thoughts. I would like to see ESPN work with accu- stats in the future for some good tv coverage.

pt109
01-19-2014, 06:10 PM
I'm seeing a picture of Cornbread here...being asked how he gets the
cue-ball to do that.....he pats whitey fondly and says....
...."Ah raised it from a marble."

Red's gone, UJ's gone....we need Alex and Keith to take up the slack.

...and the Dipster to pay another guy $500 to get the hell outta the action room.
:rotflmao1:

Palmetto cue
01-19-2014, 07:04 PM
One thing y'all can count on is that I aint gonna dog it around Big business and Big TV. They will not push me around because I dont give enough of a shit. Just like I would never endorse a product that I didnt like, no matter what i was offered, money and a TV career dont ring enough of my bell to get me to do what I dont believe in.

Now, maybe if they had some new serum that allows a player to never miss a ball, and that was to be my reward, well that would be a different story entirely.

Beard

Very interesting! Hope this turns out even better than you hope Freddy! Can't wait to see it.

SLIM
01-20-2014, 06:17 AM
My hope is that the great players, even if they don't gamble, get some face time.
I know drama sells but i just hope the guys like SCOOTER, TIM HEATH & ERIC DURBAN donít get 100% of the coverage.

no disrespect intended but, I know what keeps me interested in pool & it is not the latter.

SLIM

JAM
01-20-2014, 06:24 AM
My hope is that the great players, even if they don't gamble, get some face time.
I know drama sells but i just hope the guys like SCOOTER, TIM HEATH & ERIC DURBAN donít get 100% of the coverage.

no disrespect intended but, I know what keeps me interested in pool & it is not the latter.

SLIM

I think what separates the Derby City Classic (DCC) from other pool happenings is that there are most definitely players of all caliber that attend. Whether it's a super-star pool pro or an amateur or a social shooter, the Derby City Classic will have a little something for everybody to enjoy. That is how I have always viewed it.

The only problem I have encountered going to the DCC is sleep deprivation. There is so much going on 24/7 that my other half doesn't want to miss anything. So we're checking out the main tournament, the mini tournaments, the barkfests, and the action matches. :p

I always liked to shop for pool stuff with the various vendors. :D

Whether one is a pool purist that enjoys mum pool played by emotionless robots or an action enthusiast who likes the barkfeast before, during, and after a gambling match, I think it is important to recognize that this is American pool at its finest. It is all about the variety. I hope all who attend enjoy it to the fullest. :cool:

freddy the beard
01-20-2014, 07:36 AM
I'm seeing a picture of Cornbread here...being asked how he gets the
cue-ball to do that.....he pats whitey fondly and says....
...."Ah raised it from a marble."

Red's gone, UJ's gone....we need Alex and Keith to take up the slack.

...and the Dipster to pay another guy $500 to get the hell outta the action room.
:rotflmao1:

You can count on me stealing that line!:sorry:

Beard

SJDinPHX
01-20-2014, 07:40 AM
I think what separates the Derby City Classic (DCC) from other pool happenings is that there are most definitely players of all caliber that attend....

Whether one is a pool purist that enjoys mum pool played by emotionless robots or an action enthusiast who likes the barkfeast before, during, and after a gambling match, I think it is important to recognize that this is American pool at its finest.

That is true Jam, most of us pool junkies prefer the latter of your two options !...Greg, in his wisdom, has made this our premier pool event based on those principles...We really wouldn't want it any other way....
However, Greg Sullivan, Freddy, (and whoever else is involved) need to be mindful of the fact, that the TV professionals, covering the DCC, are NOT GOING TO BE "POOL JUNKIES"....They will be looking at the whole experience, with a completely different mindset, based on their professional views, of what makes good, watchable TV..Thats THEIR job !...Cornbread Red, or Hubert Cokes, or New York Fat's, and all the rest of our heroes, are just 'names' to them !

It is very possible the History channel, and ESPN, may even have differing opinions, of what will work best for their individual viewership...Its almost certain they will both have pre-conceived notions, on what to look for...The History channel, is much more diversified, and with the right presentation, could give our game a real boost to mainstream America, possibly the world !

If they gravitate towards the "Scooters" and their ilk, with all the barking and other shenanigans, and pay little attention to the solid gamblers, and top player's, they will be missing the essence of the DCC...We KNOW we have a lot to offer. Hopefully they will find the right 'mix' !...Who knows how many more chances our game will get, to become a "Duck Dynasty" or "Breaking Bad" ??? :)

Good luck to all...Heres hoping we give them what they want !

NYC cue dude
01-20-2014, 08:21 AM
Anything that is aired is going to be bullsh!t. There isn't a reality tv show that isn't either heavily edited or scripted. You can be sure that they will attempt to air the sleaziest, most unflattering view of these degenerates.

The silver lining here is that the people they are filming are so unreliable, that unless this is a one time special, these players can't be counted on to always be around for filming.

Thank God the DCC only happens once a year.

sjm
01-20-2014, 01:39 PM
Anything that is aired is going to be bullsh!t. There isn't a reality tv show that isn't either heavily edited or scripted. You can be sure that they will attempt to air the sleaziest, most unflattering view of these degenerates.

The silver lining here is that the people they are filming are so unreliable, that unless this is a one time special, these players can't be counted on to always be around for filming.

Thank God the DCC only happens once a year.

Know where you are coming from, but I doubt you'd say that if you attended. Although the action diehards and side betters might disagree, the action matches are a very small part of the show.

In truth, the Derby is five tournaments in one:

Bank Pool
One Pocket
Nine Ball
Ten Ball
Straight Pool

Most of the elite are on hand and the Derby City Classic is truly a celebration of all-around talent in the various pool disciplines. It is also the stiffest test of all-around skills on the pool calendar, just as Johnston City once was. The action matches are not even on the same floor as the main ballroom in which most of the tournament matches take place.

If some people wish to publicize a certain aspect of the event as they choose, it in no way smears the good name of this wonderful event.

watchez
01-20-2014, 02:04 PM
And guess what gave pool it's biggest boom in its history?





The Color of Money - 1986.


Why? Because it portrayed all that is bad about pool or what people deem as bad about pool. Gambling, drinking, womanizing, oh and the climax scene of the movie -- the dump by Vincent.

To all the people that are worried about how pool will be portrayed, get a grip.

My fear is that they will spend too much time on some kid acting a fool, woofing without two nickels in his pocket and then when the cameras are ready to film the pool action, nothing takes place because there is no backing for the game. They need to show it from beginning to end and with the crowd at the DCC, there are too many beginnings with no middles or ends.

If Freddie wants to do this right, he needs to have a list of players with personalities that are actually going to play - take the TV crews to them and let the rest happen. Avoid the fools and it will be all good.

Watchez is the teacher.

Craig Fales
01-20-2014, 02:33 PM
Every attempt to "church up" pool has set pool back. Pool is what it is and trying to change it ruins it.

There are two realms of pool as well. The gambling side and the tournament side. How many outside of pool even know they have tournaments? This would be a good chance to get the life of a grizzled tournament pro's lifestyle highlighted.

cleary
01-21-2014, 08:02 AM
And guess what gave pool it's biggest boom in its history?





The Color of Money - 1986.


Why? Because it portrayed all that is bad about pool or what people deem as bad about pool. Gambling, drinking, womanizing, oh and the climax scene of the movie -- the dump by Vincent.

To all the people that are worried about how pool will be portrayed, get a grip.

My fear is that they will spend too much time on some kid acting a fool, woofing without two nickels in his pocket and then when the cameras are ready to film the pool action, nothing takes place because there is no backing for the game. They need to show it from beginning to end and with the crowd at the DCC, there are too many beginnings with no middles or ends.

If Freddie wants to do this right, he needs to have a list of players with personalities that are actually going to play - take the TV crews to them and let the rest happen. Avoid the fools and it will be all good.

Watchez is the teacher.

Pool has a ton of characters and while I do understand why some people aren't amused by them, I sure as shit am. I could watch Scooter, Timmy Heath and Jason Hunt all day long.

Is that what's best for pool? Well... I think it's the best thing that will actually happen for pool. Nobody seems to get it that pool on a high level is boring unless you're SUPER into pool. Even then, it's boring. Go to a major tournament and look at the crowd, I'll bet my legs someone will be sleeping in the crowd. #sadreality

But here is the thing... does that mean the general public will think everyone who plays pool is like Jason Hunt? I don't know, is everyone in New Jersey like JWOW and DJ Paulie D? Is everyone who was raised with money as dumb like Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie? People are smart enough to understand these people are on tv because they're crazy and it's really fun to watch crazy people. Believe it or not, more good would come than bad.

cleary
01-21-2014, 08:08 AM
There are two realms of pool as well. The gambling side and the tournament side. How many outside of pool even know they have tournaments? This would be a good chance to get the life of a grizzled tournament pro's lifestyle highlighted.

That might be an even more depressing. Hey everyone, come see these 200 guys who spent his entire life mastering something and only 10 of them can pay their water bill.

The tournament life is brutal. Gotta get top 5 to break even or make money for the week.

1on1pooltournys
01-21-2014, 09:40 AM
And guess what gave pool it's biggest boom in its history?





The Color of Money - 1986.


Why? Because it portrayed all that is bad about pool or what people deem as bad about pool. Gambling, drinking, womanizing, oh and the climax scene of the movie -- the dump by Vincent.

To all the people that are worried about how pool will be portrayed, get a grip.

My fear is that they will spend too much time on some kid acting a fool, woofing without two nickels in his pocket and then when the cameras are ready to film the pool action, nothing takes place because there is no backing for the game. They need to show it from beginning to end and with the crowd at the DCC, there are too many beginnings with no middles or ends.

If Freddie wants to do this right, he needs to have a list of players with personalities that are actually going to play - take the TV crews to them and let the rest happen. Avoid the fools and it will be all good.

Watchez is the teacher.

Should take the film crews to the St. Charles. Bass pro drive...:thumbup:

Craig Fales
01-21-2014, 09:58 AM
That might be an even more depressing. Hey everyone, come see these 200 guys who spent his entire life mastering something and only 10 of them can pay their water bill.

The tournament life is brutal. Gotta get top 5 to break even or make money for the week.

Looking through the AZB money list for 2013 the top 25 were living comfortably from pool. No one will get rich from pool but it's a lot better than many other jobs plus you get to do a lot traveling and seeing the world. Always focus on the negative and that's all you will see.

JAM
01-21-2014, 10:08 AM
Looking through the AZB money list for 2013 the top 25 were living comfortably from pool. No one will get rich from pool but it's a lot better than many other jobs plus you get to do a lot traveling and seeing the world. Always focus on the negative and that's all you will see.

Well, I'm going to add my 2 cents, FWIW! :grin:

If one earns $100,000 in pool per annum, take out a third for expenses and about another third for taxes, depending on how you file and fall in the Tax Code provisions for income. $100,000 per annum in the pool world is like making $30,000 in the non-pool world. Depending on where you live, what part of the country in America, $30,000 is okay, but I couldn't live comfortably on $30,000 per year where I live.

Also, the occupational hazards in pool are brutal. I was speaking to a TV producer a day or two ago about pool, and I was hesitant to bring up the occupational hazards, though I did state there were some. The TV producer immediately blurted out that he knew the occupational hazards in pool would be "gambling, women, and drugs." I was actually surprised that someone outside of the pool world would even think that.

Then, if you can believe it, the TV producer said it was that side of the pool industry that a reality show would prefer to follow, the hardships and difficulties and struggles to make a living in the American pool world. Also, the TV producer was most definitely interested in colorful personalities to showcase, not emotionless robots playing mum pool. :smile:

watchez
01-21-2014, 10:20 AM
Pool has a ton of characters and while I do understand why some people aren't amused by them, I sure as shit am. I could watch Scooter, Timmy Heath and Jason Hunt all day long.

Is that what's best for pool? Well... I think it's the best thing that will actually happen for pool. Nobody seems to get it that pool on a high level is boring unless you're SUPER into pool. Even then, it's boring. Go to a major tournament and look at the crowd, I'll bet my legs someone will be sleeping in the crowd. #sadreality

But here is the thing... does that mean the general public will think everyone who plays pool is like Jason Hunt? I don't know, is everyone in New Jersey like JWOW and DJ Paulie D? Is everyone who was raised with money as dumb like Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie? People are smart enough to understand these people are on tv because they're crazy and it's really fun to watch crazy people. Believe it or not, more good would come than bad.

I don't mind people acting a fool -- you missed my point that after all the chatter, the game doesn't come about because they can't cash a check their ass just wrote. Act a fool, entertain but then play. Even WWF eventually has a fight to watch.

cleary
01-21-2014, 10:21 AM
Looking through the AZB money list for 2013 the top 25 were living comfortably from pool. No one will get rich from pool but it's a lot better than many other jobs plus you get to do a lot traveling and seeing the world. Always focus on the negative and that's all you will see.

I'm not focusing on the negative, I'm being realistic. The money list is showing the gross profit, not the net.

If I want to play in the US Open 9ball, it will cost $500/entry. About $500/week in hotel. $350 to fly. That's $1350 just to play, never mind eating out every meal for an entire week. You gotta get 9-12th in that tournament to break even after taxes. Also, this is one of the largest tournaments in the US so it's pretty much the best case scenario. International events, forget about it. Your nut just doubled or tripled.

So go through that top 25 list and keep all that in mind and you might start to see that those numbers aren't reality.

JAM
01-21-2014, 10:23 AM
I'm not focusing on the negative, I'm being realistic. The money list is showing the gross profit, not the net.

If I want to play in the US Open 9ball, it will cost $500/entry. About $500/week in hotel. $350 to fly. That's $1350 just to play, never mind eating out every meal for an entire week. You gotta get 9-12th in that tournament to break even after taxes. Also, this is one of the largest tournaments in the US so it's pretty much the best case scenario. International events, forget about it. Your nut just doubled or tripled.

So go through that top 25 list and keep all that in mind and you might start to see that those numbers aren't reality.

Tap, tap, tap. :yes:

cleary
01-21-2014, 10:26 AM
I don't mind people acting a fool -- you missed my point that after all the chatter, the game doesn't come about because they can't cash a check their ass just wrote. Act a fool, entertain but then play. Even WWF eventually has a fight to watch.

Of course and I wasn't totally opposed to your post. Just telling how I see it. Also, working in the television industry and being married to a tv producer I see things from this side of the fence.

Like I said, is it what's best for pool? No. But it may be the best thing that actually has a chance to happen. We're running out of wealthy suckers making bad investments.

Craig Fales
01-21-2014, 10:31 AM
I'm not focusing on the negative, I'm being realistic. The money list is showing the gross profit, not the net.

If I want to play in the US Open 9ball, it will cost $500/entry. About $500/week in hotel. $350 to fly. That's $1350 just to play, never mind eating out every meal for an entire week. You gotta get 9-12th in that tournament to break even after taxes. Also, this is one of the largest tournaments in the US so it's pretty much the best case scenario. International events, forget about it. Your nut just doubled or tripled.

So go through that top 25 list and keep all that in mind and you might start to see that those numbers aren't reality.

It's a business, you have to run yourself like a business. Keep expenses inline with your income. It's doable but most people playing "for a living" don't know anything but playing pool, just saying.

watchez
01-21-2014, 10:55 AM
I'm not focusing on the negative, I'm being realistic. The money list is showing the gross profit, not the net.

If I want to play in the US Open 9ball, it will cost $500/entry. About $500/week in hotel. $350 to fly. That's $1350 just to play, never mind eating out every meal for an entire week. You gotta get 9-12th in that tournament to break even after taxes. Also, this is one of the largest tournaments in the US so it's pretty much the best case scenario. International events, forget about it. Your nut just doubled or tripled.

So go through that top 25 list and keep all that in mind and you might start to see that those numbers aren't reality.

Wow - you just took it down a notch.

Do you have expenses to get to your job?
Do you eat every day you work?
Do you have a dry cleaning bill so you look presentable at work?
Did you pay for schooling or training so you could get a job?
Did you pay for a resume?

Let's add to it - do you pay taxes, social security, etc.

I could go on.

This b.s response that has been stated before by others and tap.tap.tap. by even more that you put up is so incorrect. (as friends we can agree to disagree)

cleary
01-21-2014, 11:15 AM
Wow - you just took it down a notch.

Do you have expenses to get to your job?
Do you eat every day you work?
Do you have a dry cleaning bill so you look presentable at work?
Did you pay for schooling or training so you could get a job?
Did you pay for a resume?

Let's add to it - do you pay taxes, social security, etc.

I could go on.

This b.s response that has been stated before by others and tap.tap.tap. by even more that you put up is so incorrect. (as friends we can agree to disagree)

I do have expenses to work. Tolls, parking, lunch, clothes, after school program for my child while I work. etc. The biggest difference is, I can have a bad day at work and still get my paycheck. I get paid to make things. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad, but either way I get paid. I understand there are expenses and my salary far outweighs the expenses.

You're a smart guy and maybe I'm just missing something here about tournament life.

JAM
01-21-2014, 11:17 AM
Wow - you just took it down a notch.

Do you have expenses to get to your job?
Do you eat every day you work?
Do you have a dry cleaning bill so you look presentable at work?
Did you pay for schooling or training so you could get a job?
Did you pay for a resume?

Let's add to it - do you pay taxes, social security, etc.

I could go on.

This b.s response that has been stated before by others and tap.tap.tap. by even more that you put up is so incorrect. (as friends we can agree to disagree)

I definitely disagree with your thoughts. :)

Self-employed people pay full Social Security tax, number one. I could go on, but I'll just leave it there. :grin-square:

The Saw
01-21-2014, 11:24 AM
So go through that top 25 list and keep all that in mind and you might start to see that those numbers aren't reality.

Not to mention that some of those players got staked to go to or play in some of those tournaments and gave up 50-70% of what they won....

JAM
01-21-2014, 11:26 AM
Not to mention that some of those players got staked to go to or play in some of those tournaments and gave up 50-70% of what they won....

And let's not forget about the infamous savers. Most would be surprised, I guess, how many actually do savers in tournaments. :p

The Saw
01-21-2014, 11:31 AM
And let's not forget about the infamous savers. Most would be surprised, I guess, how many actually do savers in tournaments. :p

For sure.... And lets also not forget that many of those tourneys are held in or around casinos.

JAM
01-21-2014, 11:32 AM
The pool player is already stuck big time before he hits the first ball in a pool tournament.

Whereas, this entire week, House and Senate are out, closed, yet they get full pay and benefits.

briankenobi
01-21-2014, 11:35 AM
That is because being in congress is an actual "job". (i used that term loosly when talking about congress)

JAM
01-21-2014, 11:37 AM
That is because being in congress is an actual "job". (i used that term loosly when talking about congress)

Most are on salary, and there are times they work until midnight to pass a bill. They are off the entire month of August with pay, though, and during an election year, well, I better not say anything more. :embarrassed2:

The point, though, is that the pool player doesn't get an income unless he wins. He could be stuck big time, even if he wins a tournament, which is usually the case. He doesn't get paid for showing up at a pool tournament like, say, a football player does.

BeiberLvr
01-21-2014, 11:49 AM
Winning should be a prerequisite to making money in pool. That's not the issue. The issue is that winning a tournament doesn't pay enough.

The top tier players should be able to live well off of tournaments. The second tier players should be financially secure.

In other words only the best of the best should be making any real money. So kind of like it is now except they would be making more.

StraightPoolIU
01-21-2014, 12:01 PM
Back on topic a little bit. I think it's cool that pool has two sides to it: the gambling side and the tournament side. Despite what some people might say I don't think liking one or the other has to be mutually exclusive. I definitely like both. I'm not much of a gambler, but there is definitely something cool about action. Tournaments have the best players duking it out in pressure packed short races. I'll watch a pool reality show about either or both. If we need the action side to draw people's interest then I'm all for it. Anything that raises interest in the game, keeps rooms from closing in my area or allows new ones to open I'm all for. Rising tide lifts all boats etc. Besides even though there might be camera crews there any reality tv show is still just theoretical at this point anyway.

Slasher
01-21-2014, 12:18 PM
This is a very cynical approach for a short term payoff probably setting pool back 50 years. Hows this bad boy image worked for pool so far? oh right it hasn't.
Sorta reminds me of Homer Simpson going back to college, you guys really are living in the past.

This is no way to bring long term structure and stability that can provide a career and an living for professional sportsman, it's reenforcing the stereotype and will be just like a three ring circus passing through town and all these threads about the death of pool will still be the topic of the day in ten years time on AZB and the worst part is the most talented players in the game won't make a nickle out of it.

This man knows how to manage sport
http://youtu.be/CaPWxMIs-W4

jay helfert
01-21-2014, 12:27 PM
And guess what gave pool it's biggest boom in its history?





The Color of Money - 1986.


Why? Because it portrayed all that is bad about pool or what people deem as bad about pool. Gambling, drinking, womanizing, oh and the climax scene of the movie -- the dump by Vincent.

To all the people that are worried about how pool will be portrayed, get a grip.

My fear is that they will spend too much time on some kid acting a fool, woofing without two nickels in his pocket and then when the cameras are ready to film the pool action, nothing takes place because there is no backing for the game. They need to show it from beginning to end and with the crowd at the DCC, there are too many beginnings with no middles or ends.

If Freddie wants to do this right, he needs to have a list of players with personalities that are actually going to play - take the TV crews to them and let the rest happen. Avoid the fools and it will be all good.

Watchez is the teacher.

Correctalamundo! The Hustler was a gritty, dirty look at the life of a pool hustler and it created a renaissance in our sport. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but airing footage of real life gamblers getting down playing pool for high stakes may be the most beneficial thing that could happen for our sport today. Put a few of these type reality shows on TV and we could be booming again! Go for it Freddy! :thumbup2:

briankenobi
01-21-2014, 01:24 PM
After thinking about this for a few days, this might benifit both the gamblers and the tournement guys. Here is my thought. First, it gets eyes on pool. A lot of eyes aren't on pool anymore. It shows the hardships pool players have because of no functioning tour like the PGA or tennis. It showcases the storylines that only guys like Shane make a lot in tournements and have to gamble as well. Maybe it gets those outside sponsors interested in putting up money for a small pro tour to see how it would work. It could help grow the pro game into what everyone wants, a real pro tour like golf and tennis. But that would be the "churched up" side of pool. The one where you dress and act like a pro. Where you do radio and tv spots to promote an event coming up. I wasn't sure about this when I first read it, but this might actually help both aspects of our game. Only time will tell.

cbaumann212
01-21-2014, 01:35 PM
I just hope there will be no dumping, drug use, robbing change machines, or selling of fake autographs on camera.

phillyviper1
01-21-2014, 01:44 PM
freddy,




how about showcasing the good things about pool (i.e. Competition, young up and comers vs. Aging veterans, the thrill of winning a huge tournament, etc.) and steer clear of the things that has always plagued pool from being a more publicized and growing sport like gambling, drunks, cheats, thieves, drug dealers, etc. Etc. Etc. :angry:

This is a great chance to put pool in a good light to the masses. Don't blow it!:thumbup:

Kelly

i agree 100% .. Show them the good in pool not the bad...shine the good light not the dead bolb.

The Kiss
01-21-2014, 01:51 PM
I would contact Bill Simmons from Espn he is behind the 30 on 30 series. That shows some odd and sometimes forgotten but offbeat sides of sports. I am sure Freddy could come up with a solid story, or how about pitching the Johnson City tournaments that could be a huge story.

I hope you get some great footage Beard. Gambling, Woofing, Prop bets, Quarter flippers, 3 card monte all the good stuff:grin:

Slasher
01-21-2014, 01:57 PM
Correctalamundo! The Hustler was a gritty, dirty look at the life of a pool hustler and it created a renaissance in our sport. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but airing footage of real life gamblers getting down playing pool for high stakes may be the most beneficial thing that could happen for our sport today. Put a few of these type reality shows on TV and we could be booming again! Go for it Freddy! :thumbup2:

1961 called they want their rose tinted melancholy glasses back. :p

SLIM
01-21-2014, 02:00 PM
I wish earl could make millions endorsing ass weights & earmuffs.

But, reguardless of what they film, or do not film, what they show or do not show, i don't think it will make a difference.

There just is not enough interest in pool as a spectator sport for anything big to happen.

Sad as that is, that is, the way it is.

SLIM

jay helfert
01-21-2014, 02:09 PM
1961 called they want their rose tinted melancholy glasses back. :p

1987 called back and said The Color Of Money was great! We are definitely ready for 2014. In fact we are overdue!

Slasher
01-21-2014, 02:33 PM
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pt109
01-26-2014, 09:49 PM
I wonder how Freddy is making out with the TV crews.

Too bad Jimmy Mataya isn't in his prime.....
At a major tournament, when he was still world 8-ball champion, he walked
in just as his name was going for last call in the calcutta (for $500)
Jimmy said "Five hundred! That's an insult....make it two thousand."

JCIN
01-27-2014, 12:30 AM
I wish earl could make millions endorsing ass weights & earmuffs.

But, reguardless of what they film, or do not film, what they show or do not show, i don't think it will make a difference.

There just is not enough interest in pool as a spectator sport for anything big to happen.

Sad as that is, that is, the way it is.

SLIM

+1

People may watch a reality show or drama with pool as a backdrop but as soon as they go play and figure out how damn hard it is thats that. The landscape has changed from the 60's and 80's when it comes to how people are entertained. Its a lot more watching and a lot less doing.

One of the many problems pool has working against it in the mainstream is that it is way harder than bowling, poker, darts or pick your game. Mix that with the fact there are simply no nice places to play it in many places and its a tough nut to crack.

I am a child of TCOM. Its what set the hook for me as a teenager. All my friends saw the same movie. I'm the only one here now. So commercial success of a project is good but it isnt the end all be all. There has to be an industry and structure in place to take advantage of it so that its not just wasted.

JumpinJoe
01-27-2014, 01:09 AM
Please only show them the interesting side.

For fuks sake no one wants to see any euro tourney robots on tv.
Nothing is going to change anyhow. Poolplayers are always going to stay broke. Except the 5 or so elite ones each decade. The rest of them play this game because they are too lazy to work a real job. And they treat life the same way, like its a game.

Then they wake up realize they are 40 years old and can't do anything else. And basically have 10 good years left to try and save off of pool. And now there's not any tourneys for them and this place with all the pool detectives and picture phones ruined all their gambling spots. And they say remember we won 20k, 30k, 200k, we had fun in those strip clubs and casinos.

This is how it's always been and always will be. They have had big sponsors before, it don't matter.

frankncali
01-27-2014, 02:18 AM
+1

People may watch a reality show or drama with pool as a backdrop but as soon as they go play and figure out how damn hard it is thats that. The landscape has changed from the 60's and 80's when it comes to how people are entertained. Its a lot more watching and a lot less doing.

One of the many problems pool has working against it in the mainstream is that it is way harder than bowling, poker, darts or pick your game. Mix that with the fact there are simply no nice places to play it in many places and its a tough nut to crack.

I am a child of TCOM. Its what set the hook for me as a teenager. All my friends saw the same movie. I'm the only one here now. So commercial success of a project is good but it isnt the end all be all. There has to be an industry and structure in place to take advantage of it so that its not just wasted.

I agree to an extent...

I was the same way.. COM hit and pool was big. Myself and others all went tot he pool rooms and tried it but we are all different and the same pleasure I got they did not.

So if we look at it from that perspective we don't have to turn everyone we have to expose it as much as possible and keep infecting the ones that cant turn away.

There were a lot of pool places that sprang from COM and thrived off of it and the times. Wish lease prices were what they were in 1987

chevybob20
01-27-2014, 05:06 AM
Have you ever spent time in the ghetto or barrio? If you have, then you know that most have the ability to do almost anything. Most have the ability but will never make it out to improve their lot in life. It has nothing to do with opportunity but instead it has everything to do with the paradigms held by those in that situation.

The Duck Dynasty lifestyle is desirable and honorable to certain demographics but it is a complete joke to most "others". It's all about paradigms. Middle America (The people that have money) view us as the hillbilly's. We are nothing more than a curiosity and an example of what not to be. Without a middle America paradigm shift, pools destiny will never change. We are talking about the tale of two images.

1) Phil Mickelson hitting the 200 yard fader across water, two feet from the pin, under great pressure for the win.

2) A pool player, jacked up on his drug of choice, yelling obscenities at an opponent in an attempt to make a game. Then, when the dog gets the game he takes a dump.

I honestly like option 2 better but, I came up from the bottom like most people drawn to the game today. I do know that this image has to die for pools destiny to change.

I'm not sure that I really want it to change. The crap going down at the pool hall is very entertaining to someone that is thick skinned like myself.

SJDinPHX
01-27-2014, 05:48 AM
Please only show them the interesting side. Nothing is going to change anyhow. Poolplayers are always going to stay broke. Except the 5 or so elite ones each decade. The rest of them play this game because they are too lazy to work a real job. And they treat life the same way, like its a game.

Then they wake up realize they are 40 years old and can't do anything else. And basically have 10 good years left to try and save off of pool. And now there's not any tourneys for them and this place with all the pool detectives and picture phones ruined all their gambling spots. And they say remember we won 20k, 30k, 200k, we had fun in those strip clubs and casinos.

This is how it's always been and always will be... (pool has had) big sponsors before, it don't matter.

I have pointed this out before, and many have agreed...The first movie, 'the Hustler', was a bit of a perfect storm for pool...
..It was more a movie about life's bitter realities, and pool was just a vehicle to tell the story..It could have been about
horse racing, or boxing, or even poker..It was a huge break for pool, in that it attracted a very diversified audience..It also did not hurt that it starred the most popular actor of his generation, (Newman) in a role he should have won an Oscar for !..George C. Scott was also outstanding in his supporting role.

The next shot in the arm, for pool, 'The Color of Money', was much more 'pool oriented' but Newman was fading a little, so they teamed him up with the hottest young star at the time, Tom Cruise...Newman did win an Oscar for that film, although most critic's agreed, it was nowhere near the performance he gave in 'the Hustler'....Although they were 25 years apart, there is no denying the positive effect they had on the game...After C.O.M., upscale pool rooms shot up all over the country.

The reality is though, it is unlikely that there is any combination of story, or star's, that will ever duplicate those successes !..We live in a much different world today..Just notice, as hot as poker was for a while, it seems to be on a downward spiral, (at least as far as TV coverage).. much like we face in pool...Also, today there are many mid-size cities that cannot even support ONE pool room !..I live in a metro area (Phoenix) of over 3 million, that has gone from a few dozen fairly busy places, very rapidly down to about 2 or 3 rooms, and those owners would trade them in a heartbeat, for a good Dunkin' Donut franchise !

We all know, there is simply way too much 'instant gratification' to occupy todays youth !..NOW, they don't even have a place to play, or become attracted to our game..They have to be old enough to play in a bar, and by that time, they have usually gone on to other interests !...What was once a big part of our American culture, is rapidly disappearing..Us hardcare 'pool degenerates' are a dying breed, and its awful hard to see ANY light at the end of the tunnel..:(

PINKLADY
01-27-2014, 05:53 AM
....There were a lot of pool places that sprang from COM and thrived off of it and the times. Wish lease prices were what they were in 1987

they are - if you were smart enough to renegotiate your lease or mortgage @ ten to twenty-five cents on the dollar in the past 5 years.

so what's been filmed? any updates?

Ky Boy
01-27-2014, 06:08 AM
Saw in another thread that Freddie has been spotted but no TV crew with him...

Gary

ChicagoRJ
01-27-2014, 06:34 AM
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We all know, there is simply way too much 'instant gratification' to occupy todays youth !..NOW, they don't even have a place to play, or become attracted to our game..They have to be old enough to play in a bar, and by that time, they have usually gone on to other interests !...What was once a big part of American culture, is rapidly disappearing..Us hardcare 'pool degenerates' are a dying breed, and its awful hard to see ANY light at the end of the tunnel..:(

It is not the "youths" fault. Numerous sports were here way before pool, even for us growing up as kids. How many folks have a pool table in their basement?

But most folks have a baseball, a basketball, a football, a hockey stick, a soccer ball, and a tennis racquet. We can ride a bike and get to any of those fields or courts in a matter of minutes.

You yourself played HS baseball.... it's just you "found" pool along the way, rather than pool finding you.....

Heck, I have a pool table in my basement, and my kid still does NOT want to play. His friends come over and walk right by it, and they do NOT want to play on it.

The grab a baseball or whatever else and go outside and do their thing. Fine by me, and I mean, it was my own mother who told me do whatever you want but do NOT be a pool player, and my dad even owned a Pool Room :eek:

So, even a guy like me, stopped playing pool from the age of 21 to 41. And as soon as I thought I was "out", they pull me back in :)

JB Cases
01-27-2014, 06:41 AM
I have pointed this out before, and many have agreed...The first movie, 'the Hustler', was a bit of a perfect storm for pool...
..It was more a movie about life's bitter realities, and pool was just a vehicle to tell the story..It could have been about
horse racing, or boxing, or even poker..It was a huge break for pool, in that it attracted a very diversified audience..It also did not hurt that it starred the most popular actor of his generation, (Newman) in a role he should have won an Oscar for !..George C. Scott was also outstanding in his supporting role.

The next shot in the arm, for pool, 'The Color of Money', was much more 'pool oriented' but Newman was fading a little, so they teamed him up with the hottest young star at the time, Tom Cruise...Newman did win an Oscar for that film, although most critic's agreed, it was nowhere near the performance he gave in 'the Hustler'....Although they were 25 years apart, there is no denying the positive effect they had on the game...After C.O.M., upscale pool rooms shot up all over the country.

The reality is though, it is unlikely that there is any combination of story, or star's, that will ever duplicate those successes !..We live in a much different world today..Just notice, as hot as poker was for a while, it seems to be on a downward spiral, (at least as far as TV coverage).. much like we face in pool...Also, today there are many mid-size cities that cannot even support ONE pool room !..I live in a metro area (Phoenix) of over 3 million, that has gone from a few dozen fairly busy places, very rapidly down to about 2 or 3 rooms, and those owners would trade them in a heartbeat, for a good Dunkin' Donut franchise !

We all know, there is simply way too much 'instant gratification' to occupy todays youth !..NOW, they don't even have a place to play, or become attracted to our game..They have to be old enough to play in a bar, and by that time, they have usually gone on to other interests !...What was once a big part of our American culture, is rapidly disappearing..Us hardcare 'pool degenerates' are a dying breed, and its awful hard to see ANY light at the end of the tunnel..:(

The reality is that movies spark trends even now. So while it's possible that we will never see another pool movie spark another boom it's also a fact that IF a movie is very popular then it does motivate people to do whatever activity is being portrayed.

I am next to Jeanette's booth. The way people talk about her and their POSITIVE experiences, their reverence for her skill and showmanship and the good times they have had playing her in exhibitions is actually refreshing and uplifting. Makes me wonder what it would be like if MORE pros would study and copy Jeanette's way of doing things.

I am all for ANYTHING that sparks people's interest and motivates them to play pool. I

JAM
01-27-2014, 06:57 AM
I think the TV crew for History may be at next year's DCC.

They are definitely interested in the good times *and* difficulties encountered with shooting pool in America if they are to do a documentary on it.

Does pool need a Tanya Harding to whack a Nancy Kerrigan's knee to bring pool into the mainstream? :D Think a player breaking the other's arm in a pre-match fight. :eek:

Will a modern-day TCOM featuring a tournament soldier traveling the globe give American pool the boom it needs? Kid Delicious' movie was put on the shelf. Can it be revived?

The problem with American pool is this American generation is not interested in pool. They'd prefer to text with their smartphones and play video games at home.

I have recently been searching for data on the 2014 demographics of league players -- their age, what part of the country they reside in, what pocket billiard game they play, gender, et cetera. I can't find data on this topic that's current. :frown:

My thought is that the demographics of league players, which is where pool shines the brightest in America, is middle-aged and not young. In order for pool to flourish, it needs to attract a younger generation to get bit by the pool bug, as most of us did at some point in our lives.

In this regard, the History Channel or any other producer interested in pool will need a strong foundation to build on for a reality show. Gone are the road warrior days of pool's golden years when players would travel from coast to coast willing to play the best man in the house, often not knowing how strong that house pro *really* played. Today, the barkfest pre-action matches, trying to get a lock or a ridiculous handicap or hoping somebody drops their wallet is quite different than in pool's golden years of the road warrior days. In fact, it's not even gambling, IMO; it's more of a hustle.

As a railbird today, I will always have pool in my heart. I think the leagues need to be brought into the picture. Professional pool in America just ain't cutting the mustard. A reality show featuring the league players may be something to think about. :smile:

ChicagoRJ
01-27-2014, 07:23 AM
IThe problem with American pool is this American generation is not interested in pool. They'd prefer to text with their smartphones and play video games at home.

:

I thought I "debunked" it's the kids fault. Went to the batting cages with my son yesterday.... we usually rent a tunnel so he can practice pitching as well. It was jam (no pun intended) packed, there were baseball players, girls softball players, many lacrosse players, and a few hockey players working on their skill set in the big indoor open areas !! And it's the OFF season... but getting tuned up to be ready when the weather breaks...

Yeah, my kids still plays video games, but still plays lots of other stuff. We grew up in the TV days... and I'm sure the "old" folks back then thought, that's all these kids do is watch TV, why don't they go outside :) We did, but we also watched Gilligan's island too.

SJDinPHX
01-27-2014, 07:25 AM
It is not the "youths" fault. Numerous sports were here way before pool, even for us growing up as kids...

...You yourself played HS baseball.... it's just you "found" pool along the way, rather than pool finding you.....

...Heck, I have a pool table in my basement, and my kid still does NOT want to play. His friends come over and walk right by it, and they do NOT want to play on it.

You are proving my point RJ...When I was young, even the smallest town (mine was only about 500 pop.) had a pool room !...I at least had a chance to be exposed to it ! ...These days, there are hundreds of cities in the US, over 100,000 pop. that cannot even support ONE pool room ! :sorry:

PS..I'm glad for you, your kids play outdoor sports...Most of the young un's I see these days, are holed up in their rooms playing video games..:(

Johnnyt
01-27-2014, 07:54 AM
The problem with most of todays youth is they don't want to have to really work at anything. They play video games that when they get to hard they buy cheat sheets to continue playing the game. Well, there is NO cheat sheets in pool or silver bullets. You have to work at it. I had no video games in my poolroom. I did have a Foosball machine because most nights there was a waiting list and the Foosball kept some of them in there. My room had about 20% over 40, most of the rest were from 16-25. I treated the 16 year olds like the older players...like adults. Johnnyt

SJDinPHX
01-27-2014, 08:15 AM
I am next to Jeanette's booth. The way people talk about her and their POSITIVE experiences, their reverence for her skill and showmanship and the good times they have had playing her in exhibitions is actually refreshing and uplifting. Makes me wonder what it would be like if MORE pros would study and copy Jeanette's way of doing things.

I am all for ANYTHING that sparks people's interest and motivates them to play pool.

I am also all for pool succeeding, John !..But, what in the world does Jeanette Lee have to do with ANYTHING ???...
And whats to "COPY" ?..Comparing her, with the average pro pool player, is like comparing you, to SVB..;)...She is
one of a kind, wouldn't you say ?

PS..I should have known you would find fault with my summation...Next you'll be saying "pool is riding high again" ! :p

watchez
01-27-2014, 08:39 AM
I didn't see any TV crews at the DCC -- are they coming sometime this week?
What is the schedule?

JAM
01-27-2014, 08:50 AM
I didn't see any TV crews at the DCC -- are they coming sometime this week?
What is the schedule?

Keith spoke to one of the History Channel producers, and at that time, they were uncertain about whether to attend this year's DCC or next year's DCC. I think that's what Keith relayed to me.

JB Cases
01-27-2014, 08:50 AM
I am also all for pool succeeding, John !..But, what in the world does Jeanette Lee have to do with ANYTHING ???...
And whats to "COPY" ?..Comparing her, with the average pro pool player, is like comparing you, to SVB..;)...She is
one of a kind, wouldn't you say ?

PS..I should have known you would find fault with my summation...Next you'll be saying "pool is riding high again" ! :p

I would not say Jeanette is one of a kind. I would say that she is smart enough to understand that being a professional pool player is a BUSINESS and she treats it that way. She is her brand and she promotes it properly. The result is that even if she is not the number one pool player she is looked upon with reverence by many amateur players who have enjoyed their experience with her.

Duplicating her methods COULD work for a lot of players to promote their own brands.

Actually I didn't find fault with your summation I simply don't subscribe to the doom and gloom attitude and the idea that what happened before will never happen again.

watchez
01-27-2014, 08:54 AM
Keith spoke to one of the History Channel producers, and at that time, they were uncertain about whether to attend this year's DCC or next year's DCC. I think that's what Keith relayed to me.

Oh, I thought the History Channel and ESPN were going to be there this year with Freddy, following him around.

JAM
01-27-2014, 08:58 AM
Oh, I thought the History Channel and ESPN were going to be there this year with Freddy, following him around.

Not sure about ESPN. Only have a little info about History Channel, though, because Keith spoke to someone last week. :cool:

justadub
01-27-2014, 09:08 AM
Not sure about ESPN. Only have a little info about History Channel, though, because Keith spoke to someone last week. :cool:

So maybe Keith is gonna be back at DCC next year? :p

JAM
01-27-2014, 09:41 AM
So maybe Keith is gonna be back at DCC next year? :p

It's looking very likely. :wink:

freddy the beard
01-27-2014, 10:36 AM
My guy with a cameraman will be in tonight.

Beard

justadub
01-27-2014, 10:38 AM
It's looking very likely. :wink:

Yet another reason for me to try and get there.... :p

Tennesseejoe
01-30-2014, 11:33 PM
How about an update???

JMuck
01-30-2014, 11:59 PM
"This week on the History Channel Pool Action Stars see Little Pooter dump off not one but three backers in a single game. Also drama arises when White Willy runs out of Adderall in the middle of a two day session."

Everyone better be careful what they wish for. Reality TV is not going to make pool look good. Think more Honey Boo Boo and less Duck Dynasty. They will find the worst possible people to put in front of the camera and then just let them act like as big of fools as they are capable of.

If you subscribe to the any pub is good pub school then it wont matter and I suppose at this point nothing could make it any worse. I just dont know if I could take watching two guys scream at each other over a $100 a game one pocket on my TV set. Hopefully Freddy can steer them towards things that dont look retarded but my guess is they wont be interested in those.

This is it,another in a long lines of events or people that can't be explained away.

SJDinPHX
01-31-2014, 01:19 AM
Pool has a ton of characters and while I do understand why some people aren't amused by them, I sure as shit am. I could watch Scooter, Timmy Heath and Jason Hunt all day long.

Is that what's best for pool? Well... I think it's the best thing that will actually happen for pool. Nobody seems to get it that pool on a high level is boring unless you're SUPER into pool. Even then, it's boring. Go to a major tournament and look at the crowd, I'll bet my legs someone will be sleeping in the crowd...sad reality

There are a lot of smart, dedicated people trying to figure out what will attract the mainstream public, and make a successful presentation, 'reality' or otherwise !..We all think pool has a lot to offer, in the way of gambling mystique, and colorful character's.....While that may be true, please tell me why the major attractions these days, are people like Miley Cyrus, Kanye West, and his ditzy air headed girlfriend, Kim K. (whose entire no-talent family, are making millions).. As far as I can tell, her only claim to fame, is one of her boyfriends released a video of her, giving him a BJ..Figure that one out ???

They are making millions, while people with REAL talent, are starving to death !..Its always been that way, and no one can ever tell for sure, what will attract a fickle public's fancy ? Its CRAZY !..If it were easy to figure out, everyone in the entertainment business, would be wealthy and successful..Fats was wrong, in Hollywood, you CAN put whipped cream on
a hot dog, and make it work !..All it takes is a ton of luck, and MAJOR promotional [sic] skills !...Look at Justin Bieber and Paris Hilton, (another porn star)..and a kid who pisses in laundry buckets, and gets arrested daily....I rest my case ! :confused:

BWColeman
01-31-2014, 01:57 AM
well The Atlantic magazine isn't exactly "underground" reading material ... you tell me if you would not be interested in seeing more of this guy and the sport he plays after reading this

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/03/the-magician/303747/

the best thing about this is I was there! :thumbup:

One of the best articles I have ever read very well written

SouthernDraw
01-31-2014, 02:11 AM
The reality is that movies spark trends even now. So while it's possible that we will never see another pool movie spark another boom it's also a fact that IF a movie is very popular then it does motivate people to do whatever activity is being portrayed.

I am next to Jeanette's booth. The way people talk about her and their POSITIVE experiences, their reverence for her skill and showmanship and the good times they have had playing her in exhibitions is actually refreshing and uplifting. Makes me wonder what it would be like if MORE pros would study and copy Jeanette's way of doing things.

I am all for ANYTHING that sparks people's interest and motivates them to play pool. I

It's not just Jeannette. It's most all of the women. They have had great leadership and they've FOLLOWED that leadership. They have had to fight for their fan base. They treat them with fun and conversation. Here in Charlotte last week Kelly was at the APA tournament signing and taking challenges. Even losing a few. All the players love to see her. They talk about her with reverence.

Respect, Courage, and Commitment!

JoeyA
01-31-2014, 07:40 AM
Have you ever spent time in the ghetto or barrio? If you have, then you know that most have the ability to do almost anything. Most have the ability but will never make it out to improve their lot in life. It has nothing to do with opportunity but instead it has everything to do with the paradigms held by those in that situation.

The Duck Dynasty lifestyle is desirable and honorable to certain demographics but it is a complete joke to most "others". It's all about paradigms. Middle America (The people that have money) view us as the hillbilly's. We are nothing more than a curiosity and an example of what not to be. Without a middle America paradigm shift, pools destiny will never change. We are talking about the tale of two images.

1) Phil Mickelson hitting the 200 yard fader across water, two feet from the pin, under great pressure for the win.

2) A pool player, jacked up on his drug of choice, yelling obscenities at an opponent in an attempt to make a game. Then, when the dog gets the game he takes a dump.

I honestly like option 2 better but, I came up from the bottom like most people drawn to the game today. I do know that this image has to die for pools destiny to change.

I'm not sure that I really want it to change. The crap going down at the pool hall is very entertaining to someone that is thick skinned like myself.

I don't know how I find myself reluctantly agreeing with you but I do.

JoeyA

watchez
01-31-2014, 08:48 AM
My guy with a cameraman will be in tonight.

Beard

How did this go?

stljohnny
01-31-2014, 10:17 AM
My guy with a cameraman will be in tonight.

Beard

I think I saw an interview setup happening late that night (it was my last night there) in the bleachers of the tv arena at like 3 in the morning. Was this it, or was that something else?

jay helfert
01-31-2014, 02:04 PM
I think I saw an interview setup happening late that night (it was my last night there) in the bleachers of the tv arena at like 3 in the morning. Was this it, or was that something else?

They interviewed me for about 15-20 minutes, mostly about pool hustling, past and present. Two very intelligent young men who have worked previously for ESPN. They are working on a documentary about the evolution of the game, or so I am told. Whether it will ever air is the question.

Slasher
01-31-2014, 02:32 PM
There are a lot of smart, dedicated people trying to figure out what will attract the mainstream public, and make a successful presentation, 'reality' or otherwise !..We all think pool has a lot to offer, in the way of gambling mystique, and colorful character's.....While that may be true, please tell me why the major attractions these days, are people like Miley Cyrus, Kanye West, and his ditzy air headed girlfriend, Kim K. (whose entire no-talent family, are making millions).. As far as I can tell, her only claim to fame, is one of her boyfriends released a video of her, giving him a BJ..Figure that one out ???

They are making millions, while people with REAL talent, are starving to death !..Its always been that way, and no one can ever tell for sure, what will attract a fickle public's fancy ? Its CRAZY !..If it were easy to figure out, everyone in the entertainment business, would be wealthy and successful..Fats was wrong, in Hollywood, you CAN put whipped cream on
a hot dog, and make it work !..All it takes is a ton of luck, and MAJOR promotional [sic] skills !...Look at Justin Bieber and Paris Hilton, (another porn star)..and a kid who pisses in laundry buckets, and gets arrested daily....I rest my case ! :confused:

Welcome to the shallow voyeuristic world of the media machine and it's brain dead audience.

JoeyA
02-06-2014, 11:49 AM
My guy with a cameraman will be in tonight.

Beard

Keep us in the loop Freddy! Let us know what's going on.

JoeyA

Cornerman
02-06-2014, 11:56 AM
They interviewed me for about 15-20 minutes, mostly about pool hustling, past and present. Two very intelligent young men who have worked previously for ESPN. They are working on a documentary about the evolution of the game, or so I am told. Whether it will ever air is the question.

ESPN's Grantland web-based magazine was there (David Hill) interviewing people. I also saw him interviewing you!

hang-the-9
02-06-2014, 12:31 PM
I am going to have two different sports networks following me around the Derby. The History Channel and ESPN are coming to DCC with cameras.
They have both been in contact with me for the last few weeks. I am going to be dukking them into the hot shot gamblers,


Beard

Good news, but you really are aging yourself with that channel :wink:

It's really bad if those antique hunters come around your place offering you money for the stuff in your closet that you still wear daily.

bdorman
02-06-2014, 01:41 PM
It's really bad if those antique hunters come around your place offering you money for the stuff in your closet that you still wear daily.

I used to tell teenagers "I've got ties older than you" until I realized they don't know what a tie is.

I've got my fingers crossed that some of the filming will be aired at some point. Nice to get some publicity -- good or bad.

thekaiserman
02-06-2014, 03:54 PM
I don't know how I find myself reluctantly agreeing with you but I do.

JoeyA

I agree lets leave pool as it is and see where we go.
Look at poker. talk about boring and seedy characters
yet it has a mass appeal because of tv.

nfty9er
02-06-2014, 04:02 PM
Sorry if someone mentioned this but on a thread long ago I reminded people
that there was a crew hired by HBO to follow around the big names for a special they were trying to get HBO to buy. I just happened to be involved to a small degree when I and Ronnie Allen came into Kentucky on the same plane with that crew. We were interviewed and filmed on board and at the airport. In the following days I observed that crew filming all sorts of action, along with players smack talking for action and all in all what I thought was a lot of interesting stuff. They did this for several days. I know there are people on here that remember that. I have no idea what happened to that filming,never saw hide nor hair of it anywhere. It must not have been that good. Good luck with this deal.

freddy the beard
02-07-2014, 04:16 AM
History channel didnt come. Not enough notice for the network. They promised to come next year. My other guys did come on the 26th. They interviewed several players including myself. They went back to NY to do edits. I await further information.

Am in contact with another crew that has 4 or 5 winners already on cable. I like their ideas best. We can only hope something good will happen.

Beard

JoeyA
02-07-2014, 08:25 AM
History channel didnt come. Not enough notice for the network. They promised to come next year. My other guys did come on the 26th. They interviewed several players including myself. They went back to NY to do edits. I await further information.

Am in contact with another crew that has 4 or 5 winners already on cable. I like their ideas best. We can only hope something good will happen.

Beard

Ok, thanks. Now get some sleep.
JoeyA

Nostroke
02-07-2014, 08:40 AM
Sorry if someone mentioned this but on a thread long ago I reminded people
that there was a crew hired by HBO to follow around the big names for a special they were trying to get HBO to buy. I just happened to be involved to a small degree when I and Ronnie Allen came into Kentucky on the same plane with that crew. We were interviewed and filmed on board and at the airport. In the following days I observed that crew filming all sorts of action, along with players smack talking for action and all in all what I thought was a lot of interesting stuff. They did this for several days. I know there are people on here that remember that. I have no idea what happened to that filming,never saw hide nor hair of it anywhere. It must not have been that good. Good luck with this deal.

I remember it and made reference to it earlier in this thread. It went the same place as it all does.

NOTHING in pool is "that good" as far as the Gen Public is concerned.

We are a 'cult' and the Public will never appreciate us-At least not anytime soon

briankenobi
02-07-2014, 09:06 AM
I remember it and made reference to it earlier in this thread. It went the same place as it all does.

NOTHING in pool is "that good" as far as the Gen Public is concerned.

We are a 'cult' and the Public will never appreciate us-At least not anytime soon

I remember a few years ago on Pardon the Interuption, they covered the top 25 sports movies list. 25 was The Color of Money. I remember Wilbon's comment, "Pool isn't really a sport." When ESPN takes Pool seriously as a "real sport", then it will take off there. IMO