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DrCue'sProtege
07-02-2006, 02:53 PM
had this shot earlier today, and i managed to pull it off. had to go three rails in order to get perfect position on the '2' Ball, so i could stun/drift down for the '3' Ball. not sure how else i would have played this to get to Position A/B, but thought i would post it just in case someone might shed some light on any other chances.

thought about going a little low left, but thought the three rail shot was easier. plus it took the side pocket out of play also.

DCP



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cubswin
07-02-2006, 03:01 PM
Why not just take the shot in the corner on the other end than the one ball? Seems like you may be making the game more complicated than it needs to be.

I suck of course so could be I'm making it too easy.

as I look at the table I play the one in the corner, the 2 in the top left corner, the three in the same pocket as the 1, the 4 in the side on the same rail as the five, the five in the corner, six in the corner, 8 in the top left corner 9 in bottom left corner. No fancy english anywhere, just top on almost all shots and draw on the three. Thought about playing four in the same corner as the five, and depending on shape on the three its a option.

StevenPWaldon
07-02-2006, 03:04 PM
I think this is the smarter shot for anyone who doesn't have precise cueball control. DCP could have easily gotten stuck behind the 4 or the 8.

Meanwhile, gently drawing off the 1 to then shoot the 2 ball in the left hand corner pocket is an easier shot, and guarantees position on the 3 (drawing off the 2)

Why not just take the shot in the corner on the other end than the one ball? Seems like you may be making the game more complicated than it needs to be.

I suck of course so could be I'm making it too easy.

bruin70
07-02-2006, 03:50 PM
if the 1 is off the rail as you show, you can draw but that would be toying with the side pocket scratch.

still, your plan is too complicated. you can draw off the rail for a 2ball shot to the upper left corner.

DrCue'sProtege
07-02-2006, 05:28 PM
sorry, but i do have to disagree with most of you here. it was a pretty thin cut on the '1' Ball, so in order to get position on the '2' Ball for the top left corner pocket i would have had to have gone back and forth. unless i wanted to have settled for a LONG shot on the '2' by hitting the shot on the '1' Ball very easy.

and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '2' Ball for the corner, i could have possibly scratched into the side pocket off the '2'. and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '3' Ball, i again might have scratched in the side pocket.

my initial shot was a little tougher, but once that shot was executed my plan from there seems to be a lot better to me.

just my $.02.
thanks for the ideas and thoughts, keep em coming!

DCP

PoolSharkAllen
07-02-2006, 05:50 PM
sorry, but i do have to disagree with most of you here. it was a pretty thin cut on the '1' Ball, so in order to get position on the '2' Ball for the top left corner pocket i would have had to have gone back and forth. unless i wanted to have settled for a LONG shot on the '2' by hitting the shot on the '1' Ball very easy.

and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '2' Ball for the corner, i could have possibly scratched into the side pocket off the '2'. and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '3' Ball, i again might have scratched in the side pocket.

my initial shot was a little tougher, but once that shot was executed my plan from there seems to be a lot better to me.

DCP
DCP: Using low left, you don't need a lot of speed to make the 1 and bring the CB back about 1.5 feet. You then have a good angle to make the 2 in the upper left corner and get position for the 3 to go in the upper right corner.

The risk with your approach is that the CB speed has to be perfect so that when the CB goes around the table, that the 2 doesn't get obstructed by the 4. If the 2 gets obstructed by the 4, your run is just about over.

Also, you keep referring to getting PERFECT position. Rarely, do we get perfect position on complex layouts...so we all need to make slight adjustments due to imperfect shots.

unknownpro
07-02-2006, 07:15 PM
sorry, but i do have to disagree with most of you here. it was a pretty thin cut on the '1' Ball, so in order to get position on the '2' Ball for the top left corner pocket i would have had to have gone back and forth. unless i wanted to have settled for a LONG shot on the '2' by hitting the shot on the '1' Ball very easy.

and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '2' Ball for the corner, i could have possibly scratched into the side pocket off the '2'. and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '3' Ball, i again might have scratched in the side pocket.

my initial shot was a little tougher, but once that shot was executed my plan from there seems to be a lot better to me.

just my $.02.
thanks for the ideas and thoughts, keep em coming!

DCP

If you could draw the cueball past the side about halfway between the 5 and the side to play a longer shot on the 5, that might be better. If not, then I think you made the right shot. In general, the speed and directional control of the cueball is easier from a distance using inside, and you want to look to play that way anytime the ball is inside of two diamonds if it's equally as open, imo.

unknownpro

bruin70
07-03-2006, 02:12 AM
sorry, but i do have to disagree with most of you here. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
just my $.02.
thanks for the ideas and thoughts, keep em coming!

DCP

however your shot has less room for error than the simpler shot. you have a small window between the 8 and 12, and you're not even rolling the cb into position.....the cb is running ACROSS the position zone.

the execution of an inside english shot is also tougher, and the cb has to travel farther to land in your position zone.

cubswin
07-03-2006, 01:43 PM
sorry, but i do have to disagree with most of you here. it was a pretty thin cut on the '1' Ball, so in order to get position on the '2' Ball for the top left corner pocket i would have had to have gone back and forth. unless i wanted to have settled for a LONG shot on the '2' by hitting the shot on the '1' Ball very easy.

and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '2' Ball for the corner, i could have possibly scratched into the side pocket off the '2'. and if i dont get PERFECT position on the '3' Ball, i again might have scratched in the side pocket.

my initial shot was a little tougher, but once that shot was executed my plan from there seems to be a lot better to me.

just my $.02.
thanks for the ideas and thoughts, keep em coming!

DCP


well you are the one with the bad rolls all the time....hmmmmm

scottycoyote
07-03-2006, 03:04 PM
i have to get on the "shoot the 2 in the corner' bandwagon as well. No way would i go for that little window to try and shoot the 2 in the side unless I absolutely have to......if the drawing is correct and the 1 is off the rail.........id shoot the 1 in with some draw or outside draw, the cue kills off the rail and leaves an angle on the 2 in the corner, and then you have the 3 straight in on the opposite corner. From the posts ive seen i think you make runouts more difficult than they need be.

Tokyo-dave
07-03-2006, 03:22 PM
In general, trying to play the 2 in the side like this is a much more difficult shot with many more risk factors involved than playing the 2 in the corner. Going 2 rails into the side means risking getting caught and stuck behind traffic. Also, if you get on the wrong side of the two in the side, then you're stuck again with possibly having to go down table on one side, or on the other side, 3 rails to the other side of the table. Going back an forth with the one to get on the 2 seems to be a more difficult shot, especially when the 1 is much easier to pocket with inside follow. But the ability to go back and forth on a shot like this is a shot that NEEDS te be learned and used with confidence as it's the safest and most risk free option.
You said that you would have to have gont back and forth, but if it really was set up the same way as it appears in your diagram, low left and keeping lot's of tip on it will bring the cue ball back into good shape without having to go back and forth.
dave

djp2k6
07-04-2006, 09:28 PM
What Tokyo-Dave said! Just set the balls up and try each way 20 times. I'm sure you'll realize the shot you chose is much more difficult and less consistent.