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LastTwo
07-06-2006, 06:17 PM
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Your opponent's pocket is 'A'. He needs one, and you need two. Is there anything that can be done here? Do you just follow in the 3 and hope he misses the 13 with BIH? The 3 is deep in the pocket, a takeout is impossible. Do you go for some type of hail mairy shot on the 13?

longhair
07-06-2006, 06:31 PM
I think you have to make loose ball first if you want to win this game.

mnShooter
07-06-2006, 07:11 PM
Maybe you could freeze the cueball on the 13 or titty hook him.

RiverCity
07-06-2006, 07:24 PM
If you really cant get the 3 out......Im thinking roll up to the 13, make sure you get a rail, and leave him behind it off angle and hooked. He would have to go 2 rails on the 3........ not ideal, but as good a shot as any. If you foul here, you will lose. The opp. has the 13, if you do manage to sink and scratch the 3.
Only real chance is leaving him something he may miss or foul on and hope for the best.
Chuck

nfty9er
07-06-2006, 07:28 PM
My first choice is bank the 13 back toward side hoping to make it and take cue ball 3 rails and try to follow cue ball into pocket with 3. If you hit it good cue should follow in if 3 is that deep. If you happen to make 3 and scratch but miss 13 at least it will be on other side of table and a tougher shot for bih.
Second shot you can try to go to top rail then to side rail on a kick come behind 13, try to clip edge of ball and cue carom into 3 and scratch and if you miss the thin hit and hit 13 thick you might make it in your pocket then it is obvious your next shot.
Third shot is blast the 13 and try for a 4 railer into your hole.
Good luck on all of them.

Cory in DC
07-06-2006, 07:39 PM
My first choice is bank the 13 back toward side hoping to make it and take cue ball 3 rails and try to follow cue ball into pocket with 3. If you hit it good cue should follow in if 3 is that deep. If you happen to make 3 and scratch but miss 13 at least it will be on other side of table and a tougher shot for bih.
Second shot you can try to go to top rail then to side rail on a kick come behind 13, try to clip edge of ball and cue carom into 3 and scratch and if you miss the thin hit and hit 13 thick you might make it in your pocket then it is obvious your next shot.
Third shot is blast the 13 and try for a 4 railer into your hole.
Good luck on all of them.
Your first choice is the best hope that I saw. I believe it needs to be a humid day for that 4 railer to have a chance, and even so the angle looks off.

longhair
07-06-2006, 08:01 PM
If you really cant get the 3 out......Im thinking roll up to the 13, make sure you get a rail, and leave him behind it off angle and hooked.
Chuck
You're right, that might work. Tricky, but possible. That didn't occur to me at all.

Here's a thought. Some tables have a corner pocket shelf so deep that you can't play a ball rail first if it's really in there. If that is the case, you could gently knock the 13 to your side rail and leave him FROZEN to the head rail. He'll have to lag at the 3 to avoid scratching and even a little roll might save you.

StevenPWaldon
07-07-2006, 05:33 AM
I think all the crazy banks on the 13 are just that -- crazy.

If someone really wants to win from here, the best chance I see is getting the other player to take an intentional scratch (or forced) by titty hooking him.

He may play an intentional foul back to put you in the same position, or he may try to kick the ball in and miss (understandable when titty hooked without a stable bridge, etc.) and fouls.

That way, he at least needs two when you make his 3-ball and follow the rock in. The 3-ball comes up with one of yours, and it's a better situation than before.

Unfortunately if you're playing a good player then he should still be able to play the 13 but by this point there are 3+ balls now on the spot and a bank is tough.

I'd say someone's chances from here are less than 1:100, but there's what I think about how to win from there.


Oh, and if anyone's watched the 200(2?) DCC match between Parica and Joyner, Parica is in this exact same situation. His answer?

Parica makes Joyner's hanger at warp speed, I assume hoping to hit the (in this case) 13 and either scratch or pop the ball off the table. Needless to say, he doesn't and loses.

Southpaw
07-07-2006, 05:48 AM
Maybe you could freeze the cueball on the 13 or titty hook him.

I was watching Cliff Joyner play Parica one year at J.O.B.s and he was in a similar situation. He did shoot for the corner hook and got it in the upper end pocket on the same side as the 3 ball in the diagram. It was a true test of skill. Parica then nudged the cue ball keeping it corner hooked from the balls. Now there are 2 balls on the spot. Cliff finally got a shot and eventually won the game. Your not hopeless from the situation in the diagram, but it takes alot of skill and creativity to pull out the victory from here.

Southpaw

ironman
07-07-2006, 06:57 AM
The only sane shot is to try and get the ball out of the pocket.

StevenPWaldon
07-07-2006, 08:10 AM
The only sane shot is to try and get the ball out of the pocket.

"The 3 is deep in the pocket, a takeout is impossible"

Snapshot9
07-07-2006, 10:04 AM
Even if you hook him, he will just shoot the 13 away from the cue where you can not hook him again, and probably put it where he would have a shot the next turn.

The only way to win this I can see is to:

1) Shoot a 2 rail kick shot to the uptable end rail, then the side rail and come behind the 13 to kick it into your corner.
2) Having done that, you shoot the 3 in and follow it.
3) He then misses with 2 balls on the spot, and you then outplay him to get the 2 balls needed for the win.

Bob Jewett
07-07-2006, 10:50 AM
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Your opponent's pocket is 'A'. He needs one, and you need two. Is there anything that can be done here? Do you just follow in the 3 and hope he misses the 13 with BIH? The 3 is deep in the pocket, a takeout is impossible. Do you go for some type of hail Mary shot on the 13?
I like the safe on the 13. I don't like my chances to roll into the corner hook.

If you leave him hooked behind the 13 with no shot on the 13 towards his pocket, I think it will be hard for him to leave you no shot on the 13 for your next shot. At least it will be better than the original position.

If playing the corner hook, is it better to play one jaw or two? (Just short rail in the shot shown, or long-rail/short-rail.)

Cornerman
07-07-2006, 10:55 AM
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Your opponent's pocket is 'A'. He needs one, and you need two. Is there anything that can be done here? Do you just follow in the 3 and hope he misses the 13 with BIH? The 3 is deep in the pocket, a takeout is impossible. Do you go for some type of hail mairy shot on the 13?He needs one, and a ball is hanging in his hole?

Jump the cueball of the 3-ball and into the crowd of railbirds.

(edit: this shot won't work, but it might get you some good laughs)

Fred

Nostroke
07-07-2006, 11:02 AM
He needs one, and a ball is hanging in his hole?

Jump the cueball of the 3-ball and into the crowd of railbirds.

Fred

Now he has BIH on the 13 behind the line correct?

Cornerman
07-07-2006, 11:08 AM
Now he has BIH on the 13 behind the line correct?
Yup, you're right.

Fred <~~~ would have still lost

jsp
07-07-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm not much of a one pocket afficionado, but what about this...

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If the 3 is too far into the pocket that it is "impossible" to take out, then I figure it's too deep into the pocket for your opponent not to follow the CB in if he doesn't hit the bottom half of the CB.

Therefore, freeze the CB on rail as shown. If he decides to shoot the 3, chances are he'll scratch.

If he decides to just hit the 13 into the rail to play a legal hit, there's a chance that he'll leave you with a shot into your pocket (where you can then pocket the 13 and follow the CB in with the 3).

Who knows? He might be too worried about leaving you with a shot that he won't even hit the 13 into the rail. If that's the case, he fouls and you're in great shape. ;)

Eric.
07-07-2006, 11:40 AM
Snapshot beat me to the answer.

You're in a trap and the safety options are no better than going for it. Even if you get safe, it's not carved in stone that your opponent can't kick the 3 in.

Personally, I would try to bank or kick the 13 into my pocket. If you make it, you can always make the 3 and scratch, putting 2 balls on the spot. This way, you have a chance to try to outmove the other guy for the win. Any other option, IMO, is a sellout.


Eric

Nostroke
07-07-2006, 12:00 PM
Yup, you're right.

Fred <~~~ would have still lost

There is a situation for your shot no doubt and i think there is also a time to jump into the 3 sending both balls off the table. Im too sleepy to think of them now.

Aaron_S
07-07-2006, 12:33 PM
Wow. Don't you just have to go offensive here? I think I would just miss the two-railer, and say "well, at least I went for it." I hate going out on a botched safety.



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Deadon
07-08-2006, 12:33 AM
Sort of liked this option, Aaron posted first. I would ad that when making this shot, play the cue ball two rails and try to follow in the 3. The QB will be coming square into the pocket so the chances will be better for following in the 3. If you make the 13, your still shooting, if you make the 3 and scratch, the 13 will be on your side of the table, hopefully.

Mike

Black-Balled
07-08-2006, 04:57 AM
I'm not much of a one pocket afficionado, but what about this...

[If the 3 is too far into the pocket that it is "impossible" to take out, then I figure it's too deep into the pocket for your opponent not to follow the CB in if he doesn't hit the bottom half of the CB.

Therefore, freeze the CB on rail as shown. If he decides to shoot the 3, chances are he'll scratch.

;)

Remind me to never bet on you when you are playing 1-hole!;)

RiverCity
07-08-2006, 06:02 PM
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If you leave your opponent like this..... you are a much higher percentage to get to the table again. There arent many possible out comes for an opponent who faces this leave.
He will either shoot it and make it without scratching. Make it and scratch. Miss completely, or take an intentional foul and spot up one of his. Assuming he doesnt want to risk putting the 13 in play for you.
Out of those possibilities.... and depending on his 2 rail kicking ability accuracy, he is about a 3-1 underdog to get out.
Chuck

wayne
07-08-2006, 08:10 PM
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Your opponent's pocket is 'A'. He needs one, and you need two. Is there anything that can be done here? Do you just follow in the 3 and hope he misses the 13 with BIH? The 3 is deep in the pocket, a takeout is impossible. Do you go for some type of hail mairy shot on the 13?

The only 2 workable solutions that I can think of are 1. A shot Efren used once.
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He was rolling it to the spot from a different direction when he did it. I would probably try to roll it on the spot and just a hair towards his 3 ball so he can't kick it in except length of the table. Like this:
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2. The 2 rail bank on the 13.

Wayne

wayne
07-08-2006, 08:16 PM
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If you leave your opponent like this..... you are a much higher percentage to get to the table again. There arent many possible out comes for an opponent who faces this leave.
He will either shoot it and make it without scratching. Make it and scratch. Miss completely, or take an intentional foul and spot up one of his. Assuming he doesnt want to risk putting the 13 in play for you.
Out of those possibilities.... and depending on his 2 rail kicking ability accuracy, he is about a 3-1 underdog to get out.
Chuck

It is pretty simple for me to get out of that leave and leave my opponent with no chance.
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You just nudge the 13 out and the cueball back to the rail.

Wayne

LastTwo
07-09-2006, 03:04 AM
I have one more question about this situation where your opponent needs one and his ball is in the jaws. I am almost positive that this is illegal and would probably get you punched in the face, but lets say this exact situation is on a table with bucket pockets (not ball return), and the incoming player takes a bunch of balls out of his tray, puts them in his opponent's pocket so it's full, and then hits the hanging ball so that it goes in the hole, but because the pocket is so full the ball flys out of the pocket and off the table? I'm not saying I would do this. Would that be an automatic loss of game/punch in the face or what?

LastTwo
07-09-2006, 05:05 PM
I have one more question about this situation where your opponent needs one and his ball is in the jaws. I am almost positive that this is illegal and would probably get you punched in the face, but lets say this exact situation is on a table with bucket pockets (not ball return), and the incoming player takes a bunch of balls out of his tray, puts them in his opponent's pocket so it's full, and then hits the hanging ball so that it goes in the hole, but because the pocket is so full the ball flys out of the pocket and off the table? I'm not saying I would do this. Would that be an automatic loss of game/punch in the face or what?

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StevenPWaldon
07-09-2006, 05:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that'd be a concession of game. Or a broken nose.

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