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c_bruner
10-29-2015, 10:01 AM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...

NYC cue dude
10-29-2015, 10:03 AM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...

Isnt an edit in order?

throne4
10-29-2015, 10:03 AM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...

That is the way it should be, If you foul call it on yourself. Good for Shane and good for Oscar who did a similar thing earlier in the tournament

EL'nino
10-29-2015, 10:04 AM
There will be no 4 in a row:crying:

Patrick Johnson
10-29-2015, 10:04 AM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...
Of course this should be the norm. A shame it's still a surprise in pool.

pj
chgo

BRussell
10-29-2015, 10:04 AM
So he's out - lost to Bergman and Deuel.

bobprobst
10-29-2015, 10:05 AM
I was cheering for Corey but this makes me wish Shane had won. Class act all around.

Get_A_Grip
10-29-2015, 10:07 AM
Although I would have loved to see Shane compete in the finals and win it, I think that him calling a foul on himself, along with Jay's ethical stance, in some ways makes me even happier that doing the "right thing" is being showcased at this tournament right in the face of other clear ethical lapses that have also occurred....

Tooler
10-29-2015, 10:09 AM
Yeah, there are probably no more than a handful of pro's that would do this. He's a class act.

I wonder what Karl would have done...? Hmmm.

I know, I know, he would of called a foul on Corey....LOL.

terryhanna
10-29-2015, 10:12 AM
Congrats to SVB that was hell of run the last 3 years in the US Open the guy wins and loses with class.

Seems kind of ironic that it was 2 American players that put a end to his rein as champion.

Good luck to Corey and all the remaining Americans in the tournament.

GO USA

couldnthinkof01
10-29-2015, 10:13 AM
Shane=classy move. Nicely done

jrackman
10-29-2015, 10:15 AM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...Are you kidding? what do you mean not good chatacter to call a foul on himself? I now have more respect for him for doing so when no one saw it. Very impressive especially when he's got a shot at a 4 peat..moving on to the next thread

spartan
10-29-2015, 10:18 AM
Shane is classy. Win or lose stay classy, way to go
I will steal a quote I saw by some member around here something along lines of "Class is permanent, Form is temporary"
:thumbup:

djg576
10-29-2015, 10:40 AM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...

can't perhaps?

cuechick
10-29-2015, 11:03 AM
can't perhaps?

I'm sure that is what the OP meant and yes, Shane is a class act and a true champion. How would a win feel right any other way..?

Jonas1010
10-29-2015, 11:57 AM
Definitely a class act on his part. I just read his post on Facebook about it. Said he bumped the 9 with his bridge but nobody saw him do it. Stand up guy for sure.

Busboy
10-29-2015, 02:12 PM
He did in the match with Bergman as well on the 9 moving the rack but Justin told him it was fine

Johnnyt
10-29-2015, 02:38 PM
I was never a big tournament player, but I've played in 100's of action/gambling matchups where I called a foul on myself or my opponent called a foul on himself. Most of the time we would tell the other to put the moved ball back and shoot. Not saying Corey's wrong for taking the game, but to me it's being a nit. Johnnyt

ctyhntr
10-29-2015, 02:39 PM
Yes, I agree its a shame that having integrity is now considered the exception, not the normal behavior in pool.

Of course this should be the norm. A shame it's still a surprise in pool.

pj
chgo

Get_A_Grip
10-29-2015, 02:42 PM
I was never a big tournament player, but I've played in 100's of action/gambling matchups where I called a foul on myself or my opponent called a foul on himself. Most of the time we would tell the other to put the moved ball back and shoot. Not saying Corey's wrong for taking the game, but to me it's being a nit. Johnnyt

In this case it sounds like Shane just picked up the cue ball and put it in a pocket right away before Cory even knew what happened. Someone else that saw it can clarify, but if this was the case, it was too late for Cory to tell him that it's okay, no foul.

arps
10-29-2015, 07:37 PM
that's the character of a true gentleman and a true champion!

real bartram
10-29-2015, 09:02 PM
10-9 down after breaking the balls and extensively trying to figure out a good safe. Shane bend over and touches the 9 ball with his shirt or hand and immediately touches the cue ball and put it in the whole. Corey had not noticed it nor anyone else in the room. Pretty brutal way to lose but you can say thats not good character to call it on himself when he fouled...

Didn't he try to take a bank vs john Morra that he called in another pocket ?
In the bank tourney at dcc .

ctran
10-29-2015, 09:10 PM
I must say I dont have a slight surprise to learn of what Shane did.

I witnessed the same thing in a big tournament here in Vietnam last year. My mentor (former national champion) called a foul on himself in a knock out match (vs. Aloysius Yapp of Singapore). Aloy did not notice, even the ref did not, but he called it, just when he got the momentum after getting to 5-5 (trailed 2-5). that was a key moment.

winning is not everything in pool, how you play to win is more important.

one stroke
10-29-2015, 09:12 PM
I was never a big tournament player, but I've played in 100's of action/gambling matchups where I called a foul on myself or my opponent called a foul on himself. Most of the time we would tell the other to put the moved ball back and shoot. Not saying Corey's wrong for taking the game, but to me it's being a nit. Johnnyt
Then why bother haveing rules

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shinobi
10-29-2015, 09:31 PM
Didn't he try to take a bank vs john Morra that he called in another pocket ?
In the bank tourney at dcc .

Haha he will never live that down.

alstl
10-30-2015, 07:42 AM
That's nothing, I broke Mosconi's 526 on video but out of respect to Willie I refuse to post the video.

Johnnyt
10-30-2015, 08:18 AM
Then why bother haveing rules

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If both players are honest, there is no need for some rules. My used car lot was called honest John's.

poolplaya1976
10-30-2015, 11:19 AM
In this case it sounds like Shane just picked up the cue ball and put it in a pocket right away before Cory even knew what happened. Someone else that saw it can clarify, but if this was the case, it was too late for Cory to tell him that it's okay, no foul.

I saw it in person and corey was surprised as we all were in the crowd....it was a shame to lose that way.....it was a good match and corey broke well and made some nice safeties and kicks.....

westcoast
10-30-2015, 10:39 PM
It is a classy move by Shane regardless of whether or not he attempted to cheat in bank pool before.

I think cue ball foul rules are better. If you move any ball besides the cue ball the opponent should be able to place it where he thought it was. Foul on all balls is excessive to me.

pt109
10-30-2015, 11:25 PM
It is a classy move by Shane regardless of whether or not he attempted to cheat in bank pool before.

I think cue ball foul rules are better. If you move any ball besides the cue ball the opponent should be able to place it where he thought it was. Foul on all balls is excessive to me.

IMO, Shane didn't attempt to cheat at bank pool....it was a moment of confusion.

All fouls are played in straight pool and snooker, works just fine..3-cushion, also.

Busboy
10-30-2015, 11:30 PM
He called one on him self when playing Bergman as well but Bergman told him not to worry about it Shane is class act

rjb1168
10-31-2015, 05:08 AM
He called one on him self when playing Bergman as well but Bergman told him not to worry about it Shane is class act

Yes he is 100%!

Sloppy Pockets
10-31-2015, 08:29 AM
All fouls are played in straight pool and snooker, works just fine..3-cushion, also.

In those games, the penalty for a foul is not BIH anywhere on the table. You can play safe by taking an intentional in straight pool and just give up your inning, but in rotation games played under all-foul rules, a wisp of hair from a pretty lady's tresses that brushes a ball anywhere on the table can almost guarantee that rack (and maybe the match in winner-breaks format) in over at this level of play.

I like CB fouls only in rotation games. JMHO.

Sofla
10-31-2015, 08:47 AM
I saw it in person and corey was surprised as we all were in the crowd....it was a shame to lose that way.....it was a good match and corey broke well and made some nice safeties and kicks.....

If you saw it, you should have corrected the story narrative just a little.

Shane did NOT make the foul with the bridge and then immediately do anything with the cue ball, I don't think.

He appeared to say something to Corey, and then went over to wait for the referee who was handling some rackng dispute on the Dechaine table one over. When the ref finished with the other table, Shane said something to the ref and got an answer.

Only then did he put the cue ball in the hole with a little flick or sweep of his cue stick.

Since nobody needs a ref to know about a foul you called on yourself (or a foul someone else calls on you), I suspect Shane was asking whether it was all balls foul or just cue ball fouls only. I was across the width of the room in the stands by the Dechaine match table, so I couldn't hear what was said. Maybe someone closer to that side can say what was said.

But definitely, any claim that he called his own foul and immediately put the cue ball down a hole isn't true. Now, did he touch the cue ball, to definitely make it an obvious foul? I didn't see that, personally. And it doesn't make sense that he'd then talk to the ref, even waiting a minute or more, unless he was asking if hopefully it wasn't a foul.

I'm not taking away from Shane's calling it on himself. Just trying to remind anyone who saw it how it went down. And since it went down that way, it looked like Shane thought maybe it wasn't a foul. After he talked to the ref and got the answer, he looked quite unhappy to my eyes, and abruptly popped that cue ball in the corner pocket.

I know it might seem impossible that Shane wouldn't have know for sure about the all balls foul rule. But last year or the year before, Busty clearly did not know about the 9 in the foot corner pockets not counting for a win on the break. He had made the 9 in the foot corner pocket and couldn't believe he didn't get the win. Then when his opponent made the 9 in the side pocket on the break and was awarded the win, he wanted to know why? Obviously that must have been covered in the players' meeting. I thought it was funny he didn't know the rule in either respects. It happens.

ideologist
10-31-2015, 08:53 AM
If you saw it, you should have corrected the story narrative just a little.

Shane did NOT make the foul with the bridge and then immediately do anything with the cue ball, I don't think.

He appeared to say something to Corey, and then went over to wait for the referee who was handling some rackng dispute on the Dechaine table one over. When the ref finished with the other table, Shane said something to the ref and got an answer.

Only then did he put the cue ball in the hole with a little flick or sweep of his cue stick.

Since nobody needs a ref to know about a foul you called on yourself (or a foul someone else calls on you), I suspect Shane was asking whether it was all balls foul or just cue ball fouls only. I was across the width of the room in the stands by the Dechaine match table, so I couldn't hear what was said. Maybe someone closer to that side can say what was said.

But definitely, any claim that he called his own foul and immediately put the cue ball down a hole isn't true. Now, did he touch the cue ball, to definitely make it an obvious foul? I didn't see that, personally. And it doesn't make sense that he'd then talk to the ref, even waiting a minute or more, unless he was asking if hopefully it wasn't a foul.

I'm not taking away from Shane's calling it on himself. Just trying to remind anyone who saw it how it went down. And since it went down that way, it looked like Shane thought maybe it wasn't a foul. After he talked to the ref and got the answer, he looked quite unhappy to my eyes, and abruptly popped that cue ball in the corner pocket.



Wouldn't that mean he called it on himself?

He wanted to confirm it was a foul according to the rules and then gave up ball in hand promptly.

BRussell
10-31-2015, 08:58 AM
Thanks Sofla. It's nothing at all against Shane. But sometimes our legends differ from reality.

Mousa
10-31-2015, 09:06 AM
There will be no 4 in a row:crying:

Well, 3 in a row was already a record if I'm not mistaken! Right?

Sofla
10-31-2015, 09:17 AM
Wouldn't that mean he called it on himself?

He wanted to confirm it was a foul according to the rules and then gave up ball in hand promptly.

Yes that's all correct, and I agree.

My only point was that he didn't call it on himself and give it up all in one moment.

There was the delay because the ref was busy, and then only after the ref's confirmation did he then put the cue ball in the hole. Like in the garden of Gethsamane, he asked (figuratively) whether that the cup might pass from him, apparently HOPING it wasn't really a foul.

It's all to his credit anyway. Just the 'he immediately turned the table over to Corey' part of the story is wrong.

Sloppy Pockets
11-01-2015, 12:15 AM
Well, 3 in a row was already a record if I'm not mistaken! Right?

Right. Not the outcome we were pulling for, but we'll always have Paris.

real bartram
11-01-2015, 12:42 AM
Haha he will never live that down.

And he shouldn't .

Poolshootindon
11-01-2015, 06:53 AM
Good job Shane. Rules are rules and we should all abide by them, whether it be rules of the game or what leads up to playing the game. ;);)

Poolmanis
11-01-2015, 07:24 AM
He called one on him self when playing Bergman as well but Bergman told him not to worry about it Shane is class act

And to me it seems Bergman is class act too?

bob c
11-01-2015, 12:09 PM
Shane is a great player and a true gentleman but it may have been a little more impressive if he had been a bit more modest and just let others toot his horn, IMHO.

From Shane on Facebook:

Shane VanBoening feeling emotional
October 29 at 12:23pm Edited

I'm out of the U.S. Open. I just got beat by Corey. Down 10-9 and called a foul on myself for bumping the 9 with the bridge (no one saw me do it). Ball in hand for Corey and he runs out. Going to Steinway in a couple days, overseas to Russia, and then Asia.

kkdanamatt
11-01-2015, 12:43 PM
Shane is a great player and a true gentleman but it may have been a little more impressive if he had been a bit more modest and just let others toot his horn, IMHO.

From Shane on Facebook:

Shane VanBoening feeling emotional
October 29 at 12:23pm Edited

I'm out of the U.S. Open. I just got beat by Corey. Down 10-9 and called a foul on myself for bumping the 9 with the bridge (no one saw me do it). Ball in hand for Corey and he runs out. Going to Steinway in a couple days, overseas to Russia, and then Asia.

I was the referee on the floor when this foul occurred.
I saw Shane place the bridge on the table, preparing to play a safety.
The bridge was lying on the center of table close to the 9-ball.
Shane was figuring out how to play the best safety off the far short rail.
Just then, a dispute broke out on the next table.
Dechaine claimed that Dennis Grabe committed a foul.
It took a while for me to settle that dispute, by the way, in Dechaine's favor.
Then, SVB came over to me and asked me if the rules are all ball fouls.
I replied , "yes, of course."
I thought that Corey had committed a foul that I couldn't have seen because of the Dechaine/Grabe ruckus.
Imagine my surprise when Shane called the foul on himself!
The bridge touched the 9-ball and I don't think that anyone but Shane saw it happen.
Corey told me that he didn't see it.
Those of you who think Shane was tooting his own horn for being honest, please stop that nonsense.
Shane is not only a great player, he is a classy guy.

bob c
11-01-2015, 03:02 PM
Shane is not only a great player, he is a classy guy.

And, in my opinion, in this specific instance, he would have been even more classy with a touch of humility.

I was raised to admire and appreciate humility in all aspects of life. Perhaps this virtue is not as valued by younger generations.

Lance1977
11-01-2015, 03:26 PM
And, in my opinion, in this specific instance, he would have been even more classy with a touch of humility.

I was raised to admire and appreciate humility in all aspects of life. Perhaps this virtue is not as valued by younger generations.

Maybe it was less tooting his own horn and just seeking reassurance for a decision that despite knowing it was right, he could have still been struggling with after the fact. I was raised to feel compassion and have empathy for those in difficult situations. It's all conjecture from me, and i'm talking out of my ass i know, but i would totally understand him second guessing himself, questioning his own choice, and wanting support from his fans that He did the right thing. Just a thought.

Lance

book collector
11-01-2015, 03:50 PM
Good for him!
I am really impressed by Jay not giving in to Barrys bs, and Shane and Oscar someone else said, calling fouls on themselves.
If there was anyone else with exemplary behavior there, I would like to hear all about it.
I am so tired of all the cheating, scams , bs always going on.

bob c
11-01-2015, 04:11 PM
Maybe it was less tooting his own horn and just seeking reassurance for a decision that despite knowing it was right, he could have still been struggling with after the fact. I was raised to feel compassion and have empathy for those in difficult situations. It's all conjecture from me, and i'm talking out of my ass i know, but i would totally understand him second guessing himself, questioning his own choice, and wanting support from his fans that He did the right thing. Just a thought.

Lance

I appreciate your opinion and you maybe absolutely correct. I'm sure it was a tough loss for him and he was still dealing with it when he posted.

Patrick Johnson
11-01-2015, 04:21 PM
Maybe it was less tooting his own horn and just seeking reassurance for a decision...
Whatever his thinking, it's a good example to set and I'm glad to see him setting it publicly. Pool needs more (and more public) examples of classy behavior - if all the pros started doing it just for the PR I wouldn't complain (and neither would their wallets in the long run).

Good move at the tourney and on FB, Shane. Both advanced pool.

pj
chgo