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Nostroke
10-31-2015, 06:16 AM
The fact that he has an American first name for himself and that he actually spent time in Oklahoma says something-not sure what but no one from Taiwan comes to the USA to go to Oklahoma.

So what is his story? Is he recently relocated-goes back and forth?-has relatives in that part of the Country? What?

How come he doesnt win much over here in his 'home area' and knocks off the US Open like it was a Jr tournament?

iusedtoberich
10-31-2015, 06:48 AM
I work with a lot of Taiwanese people. The ones I work with all have American names. Even their official company email address uses American names.

buddha162
10-31-2015, 06:48 AM
I'm sure the Taiwan hands who keep current will chime in, but from what I gather listening to VL Sports commentary during his matches...Kevin is more a free spirit in the Taiwanese pool scene; he is not 100% committed to their "pro tour" and does more traveling over seas and pursue other interests as well. He might not win as much over there bc he's not entering every tournament.

His game is certainly top tier Taiwanese pro, and imo his mechanics are second to none. I first noticed how still he was on every shot a couple of years ago, absolutely zero head/body movement.

gxman
10-31-2015, 07:03 AM
Kevin came to the U.S last yr and took down the White Diamonds barbox tournament in Louisiana. 128 players, 90K calcutta. Prior to that tournament, he was in Houston and came 2nd to a tournament Sky won 1st in. Gambled with Warren Kiamco even and beat him. Gambled with Josh Roberts, lost the first set. Tripled the bet and won the 2nd set.

Word was he traveled to St.Louis too and Justin wanted to play him, but Kevin declined.

Nostroke
10-31-2015, 07:27 AM
I work with a lot of Taiwanese people. The ones I work with all have American names. Even their official company email address uses American names.

It may be normal in businesses that do a lot with the USA-Afterall i get 'Johnny' from 'the pharmacy' calling me all the time and he kinda sounds Indian.

It isnt normal for a TW pool player. Jennifer Chen is the only 'true Taiwanese' using an american name that I can think of.. Her real name is something like Chen Chien Chen. Xiao Ting Pan debated for a while giving herself an American first name 'Tina' but ultimately did not.

JB Cases
10-31-2015, 07:35 AM
Chinese and Taiwanese often adopt western names for themselves. It's part of learning english that they are asked to choose a western name to be addressed by in english class.

Sometimes these players will make trips around the USA and play some. Remember Wang Can did it a few years ago.

Kevin Cheng is not unknown in Taiwan and China, he is a top player there among many top players. He was also known here in some circles.

Now known everywhere.

Kickin' Chicken
10-31-2015, 07:41 AM
I don't recall exactly but what was the story with him being in recent BCA amateur competition in Vegas? Was he dq'd?

this kid is strong. Obviously. :wink:

best,
brian kc

buddha162
10-31-2015, 07:58 AM
Chinese and Taiwanese often adopt western names for themselves. It's part of learning english that they are asked to choose a western name to be addressed by in english class.

I once knew a "Sky" who then changed his name to "Hero." Last time I met him he was good ole' Andy.

JAM
10-31-2015, 08:07 AM
Did everybody get paid, including Kevin?

Eric.
10-31-2015, 08:43 AM
It may be normal in businesses that do a lot with the USA-Afterall i get 'Johnny' from 'the pharmacy' calling me all the time and he kinda sounds Indian.

It isnt normal for a TW pool player. Jennifer Chen is the only 'true Taiwanese' using an american name that I can think of.. Her real name is something like Chen Chien Chen. Xiao Ting Pan debated for a while giving herself an American first name 'Tina' but ultimately did not.

With theTaiwan Chinese, starting with my moms generation, the kids all took on Anglo first names in school. It wasnt an official name change, more like a nickname. My guess to the reason is that at the time, Chiang Kai Sheck had a strong alliance with the USA, including his western educated, English language fluent wife.


Eric

LA toolman
10-31-2015, 08:58 AM
If I remember correctly the bidding stalled at around $100 on this guy before going for about 4k towards the end of the White Diamond Calcutta.

Txstang1
10-31-2015, 09:28 AM
I don't recall exactly but what was the story with him being in recent BCA amateur competition in Vegas? Was he dq'd?

this kid is strong. Obviously. :wink:

best,
brian kc

Our local bca operator was telling me about this last night. Kevin and another friend of his were both DQ'd after it was discovered they were both on the tawain pro tour. i dont really know any other details. 2012 i believe.

I first came across him at the big tyme classic in houston a couple years ago, and then again earlier this year when he played one of the Omega billiards tour stops here in Dallas.

JAM
10-31-2015, 09:47 AM
Our local bca operator was telling me about this last night. Kevin and another friend of his were both DQ'd after it was discovered they were both on the tawain pro tour. i dont really know any other details. 2012 i believe.

I first came across him at the big tyme classic in houston a couple years ago, and then again earlier this year when he played one of the Omega billiards tour stops here in Dallas.

I like him even better now. He's got a little larceny in him a la "The Hustler," American style. :grin:

Drop The Rock
10-31-2015, 09:52 AM
Kevin Cheng travelled around the south a lot to different tournaments, Texas, Okalahoma, New Orleans.

watchez
10-31-2015, 09:52 AM
Did everybody get paid, including Kevin?

All of the Taiwanese players have been paid, with a check to be cashed any Bank of America.

Allen Brown
10-31-2015, 10:18 AM
Did the bookies lose a lot of money when he won this?

spartan
10-31-2015, 11:25 AM
Kevin Cheng?
You mean "the cornerman/ the other guy" playing second fiddle to the top Taiwanese like Kos and Changs?
Who earlier this month won $30K in his biggest tourney win?
Then topped it that off by going undefeated and winning US Open 2015 with the strongest US Open field ever in his debut appearance? . :grin:
This is nice underdog story.

Congratulations and very well done, Kevin :grin:

Txstang1
10-31-2015, 11:34 AM
Kevin Cheng?
You mean "the cornerman/ the other guy" playing second fiddle to the top Taiwanese like Kos and Changs?
Who earlier this month won $30K in his biggest tourney win?
Then topped it that off by going undefeated and winning US Open 2015 with the strongest US Open field ever in his debut appearance? . :grin:
This is nice underdog story.

Congratulations and very well done, Kevin :grin:which one did he win that paid 30k ?

gxman
10-31-2015, 11:37 AM
which one did he win that paid 30k ?

Minyu or something like that. Someone posted a link to the article. He beat Wu in the finals. Ko was in the tournament also.

pt109
10-31-2015, 11:49 AM
which one did he win that paid 30k ?

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCMQtwIwAmoVChMI6eKG9q7tyAIVgTwmCh2bCAGO&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnIo 2YR7gGSc&usg=AFQjCNErwVAqSTYvm5enEEET9C4_aBY3VA&sig2=alXOIW_NQ5cddb1eH1HAeQ

Eric.
10-31-2015, 12:05 PM
Supposedly, Kevin was only playing Pool for 3.5 months when he won the BCA amateur Open. Then, according to his blog, in his quest to beocme a pro, even though he just started playing Pool 3 months ago (and is now B speed) he was hoping to be a Pro level player and possibly win the US Open by year 5. You know, just like Sam Lambert.

Mission accomplished.


Eric

Black-Balled
10-31-2015, 01:11 PM
Supposedly, Kevin was only playing Pool for 3.5 months when he won the BCA amateur Open. Then, according to his blog, in his quest to beocme a pro, even though he just started playing Pool 3 months ago (and is now B speed) he was hoping to be a Pro level player and possibly win the US Open by year 5. You know, just like Sam Lambert.

Mission accomplished.


Eric

That makes me excited for Sammy. But not in a weird , creepy way.

Oh, the things that might be.:D

RichSchultz
10-31-2015, 01:22 PM
Dear God,

Why does everything have to come back to something about Sam Lambert? Come on!!!! Even if you were kudding here, I mean...

ga9ball
10-31-2015, 03:37 PM
Kevin is a class act! Won the Beijing Open & US Open back to back! Also came in 2nd in a doubles tournament in China. Busted the White Diamonds bar box event!

He plays with an Ebony nose South West, so l am really enjoying his success!
Time to win the Steinway Classic now, but that will be tough!

Island Drive
10-31-2015, 04:09 PM
If he stays here for a long time too keep his level of play where it's at in the states, he'll have to overcome what seemingly now is Alex P's situation. The rotation tour is completely different than the Snooker pros. And when you ''stayinthestates'' your true character will be put to the test ''after hours'' and in your down times trying to blend in to our culture, which is soooooooooooo different state to state.

I too found it interesting OK to be his choice, but not really, those southern boys like to bet it up, they are great people, blue collar and family oriented. That's where MANY great players roosted....pool is in their culture. Matlock/Varner/Buddy area, and Skyler now. It's like being in the American Philippines, and close too all the action and continentally in the center of the US.
And gas prices are now realistic....road time. :thumbup:

poolplaya1976
10-31-2015, 04:25 PM
Kevin came to the U.S last yr and took down the White Diamonds barbox tournament in Louisiana. 128 players, 90K calcutta. Prior to that tournament, he was in Houston and came 2nd to a tournament Sky won 1st in. Gambled with Warren Kiamco even and beat him. Gambled with Josh Roberts, lost the first set. Tripled the bet and won the 2nd set.

Word was he traveled to St.Louis too and Justin wanted to play him, but Kevin declined.

so does that mean bergman is better? at least cheng thinks so......I watched Justin play a lot this past week and think his time in the winner's circle is coming very soon

poolplaya1976
10-31-2015, 04:30 PM
Supposedly, Kevin was only playing Pool for 3.5 months when he won the BCA amateur Open. Then, according to his blog, in his quest to beocme a pro, even though he just started playing Pool 3 months ago (and is now B speed) he was hoping to be a Pro level player and possibly win the US Open by year 5. You know, just like Sam Lambert.

Mission accomplished.


Eric

that was a very mean post eric.......but funny as hell :yikes:

Colonel
10-31-2015, 05:54 PM
so does that mean bergman is better? at least cheng thinks so......I watched Justin play a lot this past week and think his time in the winner's circle is coming very soon


It means Kevin was smart. I congratulate him on his U.S. Open victory, it was hard earned. Having said that, he doesn't have to like a $ match with Justin at 9 or 10 ball.

BJTyler747
10-31-2015, 06:45 PM
so does that mean bergman is better? at least cheng thinks so......I watched Justin play a lot this past week and think his time in the winner's circle is coming very soon

...or maybe he just didn't want to prolong his stay in St. Louis.

Hungarian
10-31-2015, 07:14 PM
Gambled with Josh Roberts, lost the first set. Tripled the bet and won the 2nd set.

Gave Josh a fair amount of weight as well on a triple tough table

hg2357
10-31-2015, 10:12 PM
...or maybe he just didn't want to prolong his stay in St. Louis.

Your're right. Taiwanese players never fear to do battle with Justin, and they have beated him many many times since 2004 Junior World 9-Ball Champion.

buddha162
10-31-2015, 11:25 PM
It means Kevin was smart. I congratulate him on his U.S. Open victory, it was hard earned. Having said that, he doesn't have to like a $ match with Justin at 9 or 10 ball.

Keep dreaming boys, lol.

ribdoner
11-01-2015, 01:13 AM
Did the bookies lose a lot of money when he won this?


bookies (pros) live off the vig... winners, losers are immaterial

JAM
11-01-2015, 03:25 AM
so does that mean bergman is better? at least cheng thinks so......I watched Justin play a lot this past week and think his time in the winner's circle is coming very soon

I do agree with Bergman. He impressed me with his caliber of play at the Open this year. Wow!

JAM
11-01-2015, 03:27 AM
Supposedly, Kevin was only playing Pool for 3.5 months when he won the BCA amateur Open. Then, according to his blog, in his quest to beocme a pro, even though he just started playing Pool 3 months ago (and is now B speed) he was hoping to be a Pro level player and possibly win the US Open by year 5. You know, just like Sam Lambert.

Mission accomplished.


Eric

I work with Chinese names sometimes in my jobs, and they can be confusing, similar to Vietnamese names. In Indonesia, some folks have only one name, and that's it.

Kevin Cheng's names are: Y.H. Cheng, Yu-Hsuan Cheng, and here in the States, Kevin Cheng. In China, would he be Mr. Yu-Husan? Is "Cheng" his Chinese first name and "Yu-Hsuan" is the surname, or do I have it backwards?

RiverCity
11-01-2015, 03:44 AM
bookies (pros) live off the vig... winners, losers are immaterial

If you cant lay off enough bets, you wont be a bookmaker for long...... :thumbup:

Colonel
11-01-2015, 05:15 AM
If you cant lay off enough bets, you wont be a bookmaker for long...... :thumbup:


Or smart enough to know what & when to layoff, & what to keep

ctyhntr
11-01-2015, 08:34 AM
The family name always goes first. So, whether in China or Taiwan, and it would be Cheng Yu-Hsuan or Mr. Cheng. Casual or familiar speech (banmal) it could be Yu for short or Yu-Hsuan, or just plain Kevin.

Same would go for other asian countries such as Vietnam, Korea, and Japan.
My experience with Indonesian names is the opposite. I find them quite long and multi-syllabic, similar to Thai names. I have a Dutch/Chinese Indonesian friend and if I ever play her full Indonesian name in Scrabble it would be a winning score. Her last name is Tjipto (tripped-toe). Maybe she the exception, and not the norm.

I work with Chinese names sometimes in my jobs, and they can be confusing, similar to Vietnamese names. In Indonesia, some folks have only one name, and that's it.

Kevin Cheng's names are: Y.H. Cheng, Yu-Hsuan Cheng, and here in the States, Kevin Cheng. In China, would he be Mr. Yu-Husan? Is "Cheng" his Chinese first name and "Yu-Hsuan" is the surname, or do I have it backwards?

JAM
11-01-2015, 09:06 AM
The family name always goes first. So, whether in China or Taiwan, and it would be Cheng Yu-Hsuan or Mr. Cheng. Casual or familiar speech (banmal) it could be Yu for short or Yu-Hsuan, or just plain Kevin.

Same would go for other asian countries such as Vietnam, Korea, and Japan.
My experience with Indonesian names is the opposite. I find them quite long and multi-syllabic, similar to Thai names. I have a Dutch/Chinese Indonesian friend and if I ever play her full Indonesian name in Scrabble it would be a winning score. Her last name is Tjipto (tripped-toe). Maybe she the exception, and not the norm.

Thanks for the info. That is very interesting. The names, when used in colloquy, always give me pause.

Here is a Punctuation Tip of the Day on my industry forum that I shared:

Punctuation Tip of the Day for 7/12/2015. Capitalization and alphabetizing surnames.

The "van" or "von" in Dutch or German names, if not capitalized by family usage, appears after the first name; if capitalized, it appears before the last name and determines the alphabetical order:

Beethoven, Ludwig van (Ludwig van Beethoven)
Von Braun, Werner (Werner Von Braun)

With French names, the "de" goes before the last name when the last name contains only one syllable:

de Gaulle, Charles (Charles de Gaulle)
Maupassant, Guy de (Guy de Maupassant)

Use full surnames for Spanish names: Garcia Lorca, Federico (Federico Garcia Lorca). Also, for Spanish names, the "de" comes after the first name: Rueda, Lope de (Lope de Rueda).

Names with "Mac" or "Mc" are alphabetized letter by letter as they appear.
Names with "O" and apostrophe are alphabetized as if the apostrophe were missing.

Macalister, Donald
MacAlister, Paul
McAuley, Catherine
McCready, Keith
Onassis, Aristotle
O’Neill, Eugene

Surnames that begin with "al" are alphabetized by the name that follows. Most, not all, references state they should be hyphenated. The "a" in "al" should only be capitalized if beginning a sentence.

al-Anbari, Abu (Abu al-Anbari)
al-Baghdadi, Abu (Abu al-Baghdadi)

Chinese names are written with the family name first, followed by
the prename, often hyphenated; therefore, no inversion should be made in alphabetizing.

Xi Jinping (President of China, President Xi, "Xi" is last name)
Similar to Chinese names, Korean names are written with the family
name first, followed by first and second names, sometimes hyphenated; therefore, do not invert when alphabetizing.
Kim Jong-un (Supreme Leader of North Korea, "Kim" is last name)

Normally, Vietnamese names consist of three names: family, first,
and second. Unlike the Chinese and Korean names, Vietnamese do not use their family names. Two systems are used.
1. Call them by their first and second name, e.g., Nguyen Minh Chao is
called "Minh Chao."
2. Call them by their second name, e.g., Ngo The Dan is called "Dan."

Persons in some countries possess only one name. In most cases, they
are given names, not family names. This is common in Indonesia. Use these names as if they were family names.

Subandi (Indonesian)

JoeyA
11-01-2015, 01:54 PM
Kevin, is his own chosen "American" name. I've always been curious if he named himself after the Hong Kong Actor "Kevin Cheng"?

Maybe at White Diamonds I will have a chance to ask him how he came to choose that name.

He lives in Taiwan and comes to the U.S. periodically to play pool.

I'm not sure what you mean about him not winning much in Taiwan. RECENTLY, Cheng Yu Hsuan bested China's best players and won $30,000.

He is playing in the best weekend bar table tournament in America at White Diamonds November 14-15th. If you anyone wants to see him play they can get the Live Stream from Ray Hansen at www.poolactiontv.com
There is a mini tournament on Friday night but I am not sure if it will be live streamed or not.

He has some great American friends who live in Houston, Texas and hangs out there and visits several U.S. cities. When he wins, he is a class act. When he loses, he is a class act. It's kind of funny when he asks me for one pocket lessons. :lol: But I sure get the best of the deal when he gives me 9 ball lessons in trade. :smile:

JoeyA

The fact that he has an American first name for himself and that he actually spent time in Oklahoma says something-not sure what but no one from Taiwan comes to the USA to go to Oklahoma.

So what is his story? Is he recently relocated-goes back and forth?-has relatives in that part of the Country? What?

How come he doesnt win much over here in his 'home area' and knocks off the US Open like it was a Jr tournament?