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thubosky
11-01-2015, 07:30 AM
I have an original ob break cue and I have a second or third samsara break tip on it. It is down to almost the carbon fiber pad because every so often it seems to lose a layer in the middle. Almost seems like the glue dried up and it pops a layer off and I have a volcano tip lol.

So whats everyone liking these days???????

Runner
11-02-2015, 12:49 PM
I have a Mezz, and I went back to a Triangle, pressed in a vise before being put on... very hard tip, but you can control the CB.

My .02

Kim Bye
11-02-2015, 12:56 PM
Samsara, Odega or the Outsville tips are your choices, if you don't want to experiment with pressing your own tips.
I highly recomend you check out Taom tips, even if ut's not a leather tip.

thubosky
11-04-2015, 06:44 PM
Samsara, Odega or the Outsville tips are your choices, if you don't want to experiment with pressing your own tips.
I highly recomend you check out Taom tips, even if ut's not a leather tip.

Thanks. I was supposed to get a sample Outsville Solid break tip for about 2 years now and was really looking forward to it, but it seems like Chris stopped allowing people to pm him so I can't get a hold of him. And I was just talking to him in the thread about it and said I'd buy it even, but then he stopped responding so idk. I'm not going to beg someone to use their products. When he first said about the samples I needed a break tip then and waited and waited and had to go with this samsara.

The owner of Odega actually pmed me and said about trying his break tip out so I thought that was cool. I'm waiting to hear back from him. Does anyone know where to buy them?

Also I saw blackheart tips have a break tip out now, any reviews?

mortuarymike-nv
11-04-2015, 07:07 PM
Non black non clear non layered run of the mill Triangle tip.

In my original reply I just wrote ( triangle ) and clicked the post button but a little window pop up and said I needed to write more in order to post my reply .

So my response is Triangle and the other 10 or 11 words is all BS, totally useless.

Now what kind of BS is this that a one word answer doesn't work anymore .

The Renfro
11-04-2015, 07:08 PM
Thanks. I was supposed to get a sample Outsville Solid break tip for about 2 years now and was really looking forward to it, but it seems like Chris stopped allowing people to pm him so I can't get a hold of him. And I was just talking to him in the thread about it and said I'd buy it even, but then he stopped responding so idk. I'm not going to beg someone to use their products. When he first said about the samples I needed a break tip then and waited and waited and had to go with this samsara.

The owner of Odega actually pmed me and said about trying his break tip out so I thought that was cool. I'm waiting to hear back from him. Does anyone know where to buy them?

Also I saw blackheart tips have a break tip out now, any reviews?

I need the address to send out the sample...

I turned off PMs here because I no longer check in here but maybe once a day at most and having to check multiple emails, facebook groups and Facebook IMs meant something had to go...

I have pretty much gone to the dark side and frequent Facebook...

If anyone is not on Facebook you can leave messages in the store at Outsville.com or you can email me at Outsville@hotmail.com.......

Chris

thubosky
11-04-2015, 08:12 PM
I need the address to send out the sample...

I turned off PMs here because I no longer check in here but maybe once a day at most and having to check multiple emails, facebook groups and Facebook IMs meant something had to go...

I have pretty much gone to the dark side and frequent Facebook...

If anyone is not on Facebook you can leave messages in the store at Outsville.com or you can email me at Outsville@hotmail.com.......

Chris

Hey Chris thanks for the reply. I just sent you an email. Didn't know how to send you a msg on Facebook, it wouldn't let me.
Thanks,
Tim

rookie
11-04-2015, 10:09 PM
i have a gator tip on my jump break. Andy Gilbert has them great tip!!!!

peppersauce
11-04-2015, 11:51 PM
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The Renfro
11-05-2015, 12:23 AM
I'll second this. I bought one of Chris' Hammerhead jump/break tips and drive 40 minutes to have it installed, only to realize I left the tip at home, lol.

The cuemaker said he had some of the gator tips on hand though and installed one of those instead and it breaks and jumps great. I guess it's been on for 5 months or so now and I've had no issues with it whatsoever.

I still have the Hammerhead tip though. It will go on my break cue someday when this gator tip wears out.

LOL Sooner it does the sooner your break will get faster :p

Seriously tho the gator tip is fairly new and it competes with Samsara, Odega, and Our "Solid". The Hammerhead is 100% Synthetic. The feedback on the gator has been good and they have not seemed to have had the delamination issues the Samsara has.

I have 2 of them sitting here for testing but the COR station was destroyed during the renovations last month to make room for the chalk production and I have been acquiring pieces to make a new and improved one...

DJ66
11-10-2015, 03:57 PM
So what is the difference between a regular tip, such as a triangle or other hard tip, and a dedicated "break" tip, other than cost?

Str8PoolPlayer
11-10-2015, 05:54 PM
I highly recommend SuperPro Tips for Breaking and Playing.
It is a Great all-around Tip and very modestly priced.

I have converted many hardcore Players over the past ten
years and they sing the praises of SuperPro Tips.

9Ballr
11-10-2015, 07:45 PM
So whats everyone liking these days???????


I have two shafts with my break cue one has phenolic tip and
the other, the one I use all the time, has a hard Kamui black.
I don't like breaking with phenolic or any of those super hard
leather tips because I simply don't have the same control as
with regular leather tips.

xplor
11-10-2015, 07:57 PM
You can't go wrong with a LePro.

MuchoBurrito
11-11-2015, 08:47 AM
The Samsara break tip crushes the rack, it's super hard, but it still gives me all the control I want.

10/10 in my books.

MuchoBurrito
11-11-2015, 08:49 AM
So what is the difference between a regular tip, such as a triangle or other hard tip, and a dedicated "break" tip, other than cost?

Break tips are much harder allowing the player more power (more efficient transfer of energy) on the break. The downside is that the harder the tip, the less spin (ie. control) one has over the cue ball. So there's a balance to be struck, especially given the proliferation of non-leather (ex. phenolic) tips used on break cues.

Here's a chart that details the hardness of all the common tips.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/tip_hardness_chart.pdf

Shawn Armstrong
11-11-2015, 10:18 AM
Asking about the best break tip is like asking what the best car is. It's totally subjective. Phenolics and thermoset tips will not compress as much, so there will be less energy lost in compressing the tip. However, that also causes a slight lift in the cue ball. Put a line of dimes on a line to the head ball in the rack. Hit a break with a phenolic, or super hard tip, and you may find the cue ball was airborne the entire distance to the head ball. With a leather tip, it will compress more, and the downward strike won't make the lift as pronounced. You may hit the last few dimes. You don't transfer as much energy to the rack if you're hitting the head ball above the equator, because physically, some force is displaced in a downward direction into the balls behind it. Slate isn't perfectly elastic, so you will lose transferred energy.

The reason for a super hard tip is to increase velocity off the front end. I don't necessarily think that a 30 mph break is better than a 23 mph break, unless you're as accurate at both speeds. Trust me, you can't be. Let's say I can hit the head ball square every single time at 20mph, but only hit with 60% full transfer at 30. Math time. The first break will transfer all of its energy into the head ball. The second will transfer 30x0.6=18 mph effective breaking force. I don't see any huge advantage to a phenolic tip. If you're amongst the elite, and can control it, there's definitely an advantage. If you're not at that level, the tip will not be a huge deciding factor in how well you break. Your mechanics will. David Howard broke huge with a bullwhip Meucci with a Le Pro tip and soft plastic ferrules. Shane breaks like a monster with his playing cue. Figure out what works for you, and stick with it.

I like a good pressed Le Pro as a break tip. Squish it in a vise, and it's good to go. Holds chalk better than the composite tips, too.

8onthebreak
11-11-2015, 03:35 PM
I have an original ob break cue and I have a second or third samsara break tip on it. It is down to almost the carbon fiber pad because every so often it seems to lose a layer in the middle. Almost seems like the glue dried up and it pops a layer off and I have a volcano tip lol.

So whats everyone liking these days???????

Absolutely without question...do youself a favor and try an ODEGA!!!
I have a breakRak, with a radar on it. I have experimented with many different players, many different cues, and had the radar to rule out anything but fact.

The ODEGA is lather, doesn't miscue, hits the cueball with the Same speed as my g10 1 piece ferule/tip - but doesn't cost you control like the phenolic. You can really get into the break knowing that the tip won't let go of the cueball. Also, I like the feedback of the leather tip...it's the same feel of a normal tip but much harder.
Nobody has brought me any tip or cue setup that hits higher numbers on the radar than my carmeli Ebony break cue with an ODEGA tip. I promise you...you'll love the ODEGA. It's a beast. Another thing I like about it...you can PLAY with it too!!! Seriously, you can put the same English as any other cue tip, it just won't miscue. It's amazing. Had it 3 years, never scuffed, shaped it, or anything. Hasn't mushroomed, I use it every week. Seriously it's an amazing tip.
jacoby has them. They put mine on. I just sent them my shaft. I'm glad I did. They did same day turnaround and got it right back in the mail. Expensive option, but I'd say it's lifetime, so who cares.

thubosky
11-15-2015, 06:14 PM
Asking about the best break tip is like asking what the best car is. It's totally subjective. Phenolics and thermoset tips will not compress as much, so there will be less energy lost in compressing the tip. However, that also causes a slight lift in the cue ball. Put a line of dimes on a line to the head ball in the rack. Hit a break with a phenolic, or super hard tip, and you may find the cue ball was airborne the entire distance to the head ball. With a leather tip, it will compress more, and the downward strike won't make the lift as pronounced. You may hit the last few dimes. You don't transfer as much energy to the rack if you're hitting the head ball above the equator, because physically, some force is displaced in a downward direction into the balls behind it. Slate isn't perfectly elastic, so you will lose transferred energy.

The reason for a super hard tip is to increase velocity off the front end. I don't necessarily think that a 30 mph break is better than a 23 mph break, unless you're as accurate at both speeds. Trust me, you can't be. Let's say I can hit the head ball square every single time at 20mph, but only hit with 60% full transfer at 30. Math time. The first break will transfer all of its energy into the head ball. The second will transfer 30x0.6=18 mph effective breaking force. I don't see any huge advantage to a phenolic tip. If you're amongst the elite, and can control it, there's definitely an advantage. If you're not at that level, the tip will not be a huge deciding factor in how well you break. Your mechanics will. David Howard broke huge with a bullwhip Meucci with a Le Pro tip and soft plastic ferrules. Shane breaks like a monster with his playing cue. Figure out what works for you, and stick with it.

I like a good pressed Le Pro as a break tip. Squish it in a vise, and it's good to go. Holds chalk better than the composite tips, too.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I wasn't a big fan of phenolics. I seem to lose the control and usually pop the cue off the table. With the samsara I seem to be able to get a better break like you are saying because I can control more of the cue ball hitting below the equator of the head ball. My problem is that my last few samsara tips have delaminated so I just don't want to buy another even though I was happy with the performance.

I was really hoping to get the sample promised by Renfro's sample giveaway to try his leather based break tip, even offered to pay for it, but I've given my address for a second time and still haven't heard anything over a week now and really need a break tip, so I think I am going to go with the Odega based on all the positive reviews.

Also, he seems really appreciative about every possible customer, he even pmed me on here about trying out one of his break tips. That's a good business man caring about every single customer. So I'm hoping I like it!
Thanks,
Tim

The Renfro
11-15-2015, 06:30 PM
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I wasn't a big fan of phenolics. I seem to lose the control and usually pop the cue off the table. With the samsara I seem to be able to get a better break like you are saying because I can control more of the cue ball hitting below the equator of the head ball. My problem is that my last few samsara tips have delaminated so I just don't want to buy another even though I was happy with the performance.

I was really hoping to get the sample promised by Renfro's sample giveaway to try his leather based break tip, even offered to pay for it, but I've given my address for a second time and still haven't heard anything over a week now and really need a break tip, so I think I am going to go with the Odega based on all the positive reviews.

Also, he seems really appreciative about every possible customer, he even pmed me on here about trying out one of his break tips. That's a good business man caring about every single customer. So I'm hoping I like it!
Thanks,
Tim

Tim... Check your mailbox... Tracking says it got there yesterday... =)

cueaddicts
11-15-2015, 06:48 PM
Gilbert Gators....really great tips for breaking and jumping. I have them for sale on here if anyone needs them.

thubosky
11-15-2015, 08:11 PM
Tim... Check your mailbox... Tracking says it got there yesterday... =)

Sorry Chris I just checked my mailbox now and got it! Thanks a lot! I really appreciate it! Sorry if I was pushy, I'm shooting in a big amateur tournament in Williamsport, PA this weekend and wanted to get my break tip squared away in time. If you want and get the time feel free to send business cards to me and I could hand them out there, I'll know a lot of people there and I have a medium-soft ki-tech on my shooter actually now too so I'll be representing :)
Thanks again and I'll shoot with it for a little while and write a review!
Tim

The Renfro
11-15-2015, 08:27 PM
Sorry Chris I just checked my mailbox now and got it! Thanks a lot! I really appreciate it! Sorry if I was pushy, I'm shooting in a big amateur tournament in Williamsport, PA this weekend and wanted to get my break tip squared away in time. If you want and get the time feel free to send business cards to me and I could hand them out there, I'll know a lot of people there and I have a medium-soft ki-tech on my shooter actually now too so I'll be representing :)
Thanks again and I'll shoot with it for a little while and write a review!
Tim

You will need to beat it into shape... Even tho it is pressed at over 2 tons it is still slightly malleable and will need the impacts with the cueball to set the tip properly... Once it sets it tests higher in energy transfer than any of the other leather based tips we have tested by several points...

thubosky
11-16-2015, 05:44 AM
You will need to beat it into shape... Even tho it is pressed at over 2 tons it is still slightly malleable and will need the impacts with the cueball to set the tip properly... Once it sets it tests higher in energy transfer than any of the other leather based tips we have tested by several points...

Sounds awesome! Can't wait to put it on! It'll need cutting down the edges after some play then? I think I remember you saying that?

James2003
11-28-2015, 06:10 PM
I have an original ob break cue and I have a second or third samsara break tip on it. It is down to almost the carbon fiber pad because every so often it seems to lose a layer in the middle. Almost seems like the glue dried up and it pops a layer off and I have a volcano tip lol.

So whats everyone liking these days???????

I vote for Andy Gilbert's break tip

xxxbilliards
11-28-2015, 09:21 PM
I have an original ob break cue and I have a second or third samsara break tip on it. It is down to almost the carbon fiber pad because every so often it seems to lose a layer in the middle. Almost seems like the glue dried up and it pops a layer off and I have a volcano tip lol.

So whats everyone liking these days???????

True my years following pool I have found that players like leather tips for more control and one of the best in my opinion is Black Water Buffalo, it is like a Triangle but harder and you need a very sharp cutter to shape, holds chalk good and some players even use this tip to play (chalk every shot) and is also excellent to jump (low profile)
This Water Buffalo also comes in dark brown (less hard) but extreme relialable
LePro is good, Triangle is better, Water Buffalo is the "Daddy"
I hope that my experience in 30 years helps
Have fun
Regards

Landlover
11-28-2015, 09:27 PM
Another vote for Andy Gilbert's Gator tips.

Nuts4Tascarellas
11-28-2015, 10:31 PM
I just cut off a Samsara and replaced it with a White Diamond. I have had great luck with them. I don't lose control either. I can apply English on my break with no problem. I sheared the side off a Toam a while ago. Really loved the Toam prior to that. Never had one issue with a White Diamond though. I have had them on several break cues that I have owned. They also seem to adhere better when installing.

cueman
11-28-2015, 10:37 PM
Mad Man break tips are the best I have seen.

KMRUNOUT
11-28-2015, 11:40 PM
Break tips are much harder allowing the player more power (more efficient transfer of energy) on the break. The downside is that the harder the tip, the less spin (ie. control) one has over the cue ball. So there's a balance to be struck, especially given the proliferation of non-leather (ex. phenolic) tips used on break cues.

Here's a chart that details the hardness of all the common tips.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/tip_hardness_chart.pdf

Why would anyone want spin on the cue ball on the break?


KMRUNOUT

The Renfro
11-29-2015, 12:57 AM
The table also uses a shore A durometer for the numbers... There is a huge difference between Samsara, Phenolic and G10...

There just are not enough newtons of pressure and the foot is wrong on the shore A for most tips..

With the shore D what I found was a tip tested new and then tested installed (freshly shaped)showed a huge drop because of fibrosity... but as soon as the tip was played with, the fibers layed down and became impacted with chalk the tip would go back to the original "new" reading on the shore D....

It also had the cueball at 100 and g10 at 100 because of it's limitations... Rockwell hardness has the g10 at 108 depending on the maker and the cueball material near 100.....

BobTfromIL
11-29-2015, 08:37 AM
Replaced my phenolic which cracked. The first tip used was a Madman since my installer didn't have any Samaras in stock. The Madman lasted about three weeks then a big chunk broke off, the installer said he had the same thing happen on some other cues and he wouldn't use them any more. Had a Samsara installed and I really like it