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terryhanna
11-02-2015, 10:05 AM
Congrats to Bergman and Sky on making Team USA

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shanesinnott
11-02-2015, 10:08 AM
Shane, Corey, Mike, Justin, Sky.....GREAT Team!

Poolshootindon
11-02-2015, 10:11 AM
Shane, Corey, Mike, Justin, Sky.....GREAT Team!

Now lets kick some Brits a$$es. :):)

Ron Swanson
11-02-2015, 10:17 AM
Now lets kick some Brits a$$es. :):)

Did you have to?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=396932

Zphix
11-02-2015, 10:19 AM
Let me beat everyone to the BS.

<insert reason it should be Scott Frost>
<insert reason it should be Rodney Morris>
<insert reason it should be Johnny Archer>

Well, it's not.

Kris_b1104
11-02-2015, 10:20 AM
I think we might have a chance at Doubles this year.

The team of Boyes and Appleton is one of the best in the world, hard to beat. Along with Feijen and NVB, who are 2x world Cup of pool finalists, we will have our hands full.

But imagine the team of Mike and Corey(who beat Efren and Busty) going against them, and the team of Woodward and Bergman, who know each other's game like the back of their hands, we actually have a chance guys.

They just have to work on their singles game, that's our weakest area. Also, Shane has to step it up.

Anyways, I'll be there LIVE BABY LIVE!(shout out to Alvin) to see all the action and give a daily report!

july9x
11-02-2015, 10:27 AM
I highly doubt that USA could have 5 points this year :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

iusedtoberich
11-02-2015, 10:31 AM
I like this team. I think it's the best possible team USA can have right now, and probably for the next 5 years (unless some teen phenom emerges). USA might still be the underdog, but it should be a closer match.

Kris_b1104
11-02-2015, 10:35 AM
I also think Skylar Woodward is going to eat up all that pressure and outshine everyone. He might not be the best 9-baller on the team but he sure knows how to handle pressure, he's 22 and fearless.

Poolshootindon
11-02-2015, 10:35 AM
Did you have to?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=396932

There is an old saying 'hope springs eternal'. I guess i am hoping for a good showing this year by the U.S. Team. :)

boogeyman
11-02-2015, 10:44 AM
Let me beat everyone to the BS.

<insert reason it should be Scott Frost>
<insert reason it should be Rodney Morris>
<insert reason it should be Johnny Archer>

Well, it's not.

Well, if someone feels it "should be anyone else," they're going to have to make
one hell of a claim for it.

This year's U.S. team is replete with talent. But MOST IMPORTANT, they each
contribute solid team play and chemistry. You can't buy that.
In all-around terms, this team will compete well against Europe.

boogeyman
11-02-2015, 10:47 AM
There is an old saying 'hope springs eternal'. I guess i am hoping for a good showing this year by the U.S. Team. :)

I feel there's no question Team U.S.A. will provide a good showing.

Kris_b1104
11-02-2015, 10:47 AM
Let me beat everyone to the BS.

<insert reason it should be Scott Frost>
<insert reason it should be Rodney Morris>
<insert reason it should be Johnny Archer>

Well, it's not.

They might as well insert a reason why it should be Finnegan.

boogeyman
11-02-2015, 10:49 AM
I highly doubt that USA could have 5 points this year :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Interesting opinion.
What brings you to that conclusion, july9x?

boogeyman
11-02-2015, 10:49 AM
I highly doubt that USA could have 5 points this year :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Interesting. I see the sarcasm within your reply.
What brings you to that conclusion, july9x?

JAM
11-02-2015, 11:00 AM
I love, love, love this team. Justin and Sky are the perfect choices. I like all five members of Team USA this year.

Being in Las Vegas, I pray that their handlers keep them together as a team. It is hopeful that these team members can refrain from the casinos and not go after the other usual distractions that Las Vegas offers young men. They need to eat, sleep, and practice together while the Cup is in progress. :yes:

After the Cup, they can go sow their oats or whatever else they want to sow in Vegas. :embarrassed2:

These choices are excellent, as far as I'm concered. Well done!

JAM
11-02-2015, 11:01 AM
Does anybody else think that Sky looks like Jayson Shaw's little brother? :grin-square:

West Point 1987
11-02-2015, 11:08 AM
Sky and Justin played very well last time. I think they'll do just fine. Shane struggled, but he's on top of the world at the moment and I think he'll have something to prove--and will do so. Corey and Mike need to show up...they choked last showing; I personally would have preferred Rodney and/or Johnny over either of them, but they're hot lately and should have loads of confidence. I like our chances.

JAM
11-02-2015, 11:12 AM
Sky and Justin played very well last time. I think they'll do just fine. Shane struggled, but he's on top of the world at the moment and I think he'll have something to prove--and will do so. Corey and Mike need to show up...they choked last showing; I personally would have preferred Rodney and/or Johnny over either of them, but they're hot lately and should have loads of confidence. I like our chances.

I don't think Sky played last time, but I might be wrong. Seems like I'm wrong a lot on this forum according to the multiple-identitied members, banned members posting, and trolls. :grin-square:

Kris_b1104
11-02-2015, 11:21 AM
I don't think Sky played last time, but I might be wrong. Seems like I'm wrong a lot on this forum according to the multiple-identitied members, banned members posting, and trolls. :grin-square:

You are correct. Last year it was

SVB
John Schmidt
Bergman
Justin Hall
Corey Deuel

West Point 1987
11-02-2015, 11:23 AM
I don't think Sky played last time, but I might be wrong. Seems like I'm wrong a lot on this forum according to the multiple-identitied members, banned members posting, and trolls. :grin-square:


OOPS! You're absolutely correct...I was thinking of Hall, not Sky...my bad! :embarrassed2:

Zphix
11-02-2015, 11:25 AM
They might as well insert a reason why it should be Finnegan.

NOBODY gets on the Cup Team without my say so!

-Finnegan

Lol, couldn't help myself.

I want to see Bergman/Sky in the doubles. I feel like those two teamed up can beat any duo that Europe can come up with.

decent dennis
11-02-2015, 11:55 AM
I don't think Sky played last time, but I might be wrong. Seems like I'm wrong a lot on this forum according to the multiple-identitied members, banned members posting, and trolls. :grin-square:

Not wrong.:cool:

cardiac kid
11-02-2015, 11:57 AM
Shane, Corey, Mike, Justin, Sky.....GREAT Team!

Five great players. Let's see if they're a great TEAM.

Lyn

RichSchultz
11-02-2015, 12:05 PM
Will Mike and Justin be bunking together? Hope they get along...

j_zippel
11-02-2015, 12:32 PM
I highly doubt that USA could have 5 points this year :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Are your other 30 posts terrible too? I don't feel like checking for myself.

Come on over to the action room, I'll take that bet and keep the window wide open! :)

railbird99
11-02-2015, 12:39 PM
I know everyone wants to root for USA, and seeing strong up and coming talent be a part of the team is inspiring, but don't let that cloud your judgement here.

I wish USA the best, and one day hopefully they can compete with Europe, but it's pretty clear that Europe is still the heavy favorite. Every single player on team Europe is an experienced champion, and could all be contenders for world championships.

Team USA has only one player at that level right now, with a couple players who have potential to get there soon, maybe. As much as I'm rooting for these young guns to do well, the reality is they aren't world class players yet. None of them have done anything on the world stage as of yet, with the exception of Shane and Corey, and Corey hasn't done much in a while. He's past his prime.

Root for them all you want, but don't ignore reality.

poolplaya1976
11-02-2015, 01:00 PM
I think we might have a chance at Doubles this year.

The team of Boyes and Appleton is one of the best in the world, hard to beat. Along with Feijen and NVB, who are 2x world Cup of pool finalists, we will have our hands full.

But imagine the team of Mike and Corey(who beat Efren and Busty) going against them, and the team of Woodward and Bergman, who know each other's game like the back of their hands, we actually have a chance guys.

They just have to work on their singles game, that's our weakest area. Also, Shane has to step it up.

Anyways, I'll be there LIVE BABY LIVE!(shout out to Alvin) to see all the action and give a daily report!

no need for report it is streamed for free....but I am jealous you will be there!!

railbird99
11-02-2015, 01:06 PM
I think we might have a chance at Doubles this year.

The team of Boyes and Appleton is one of the best in the world, hard to beat. Along with Feijen and NVB, who are 2x world Cup of pool finalists, we will have our hands full.

But imagine the team of Mike and Corey(who beat Efren and Busty) going against them, and the team of Woodward and Bergman, who know each other's game like the back of their hands, we actually have a chance guys.

They just have to work on their singles game, that's our weakest area. Also, Shane has to step it up.

Anyways, I'll be there LIVE BABY LIVE!(shout out to Alvin) to see all the action and give a daily report!

Anyone has a chance in doubles in short races, but I'm not following your logic as to why any doubles combo on USA is even or favored against Europe.

You have players that are proven world champions in both singles and doubles on Europe, but watch out... Mike and Corey beat Efren and Busty one time, and Skyler and Bergman know each other's game, so it's in the bag!

poolplaya1976
11-02-2015, 01:08 PM
I know everyone wants to root for USA, and seeing strong up and coming talent be a part of the team is inspiring, but don't let that cloud your judgement here.

I wish USA the best, and one day hopefully they can compete with Europe, but it's pretty clear that Europe is still the heavy favorite. Every single player on team Europe is an experienced champion, and could all be contenders for world championships.

Team USA has only one player at that level right now, with a couple players who have potential to get there soon, maybe. As much as I'm rooting for these young guns to do well, the reality is they aren't world class players yet. None of them have done anything on the world stage as of yet, with the exception of Shane and Corey, and Corey hasn't done much in a while. He's past his prime.

Root for them all you want, but don't ignore reality.

you are very wrong......bergman is at a very high level

sammylane12
11-02-2015, 01:11 PM
I think Justin Hall should have been on this team if for no other reason than he was the only USA player who showed up last year. He really played great. I have not heard why he skipped the US Open but that probably hurt his chances. Still think he should be there.

mikeyfrost
11-02-2015, 01:16 PM
#prayforteamusa will be trending

railbird99
11-02-2015, 01:18 PM
you are very wrong......bergman is at a very high level

No one is saying he isn't. I watched several of his matches this year at the open. When he played in the Mosconi cup last year everyone said he was second best in the USA, and was playing really strong. He played horrible there.

The point is, no matter how good you are, until you actually win a big tournament on the world stage and prove yourself, you aren't at that level yet. Bergman has the ability to beat anyone, especially in a short race. But if you compare him to 5 proven world champions, he just isn't in contention yet.

Kris_b1104
11-02-2015, 01:22 PM
Anyone has a chance in doubles in short races, but I'm not following your logic as to why any doubles combo on USA is even or favored against Europe.

You have players that are proven world champions in both singles and doubles on Europe, but watch out... Mike and Corey beat Efren and Busty one time, and Skyler and Bergman know each other's game, so it's in the bag!

I was referring to how Corey & Dechaine carried themselves as a unit and team. They balanced each other out and came out victorious.

So you don't think that knowing your partner's game in doubles is a huge advantage? I'm sure Bergman knows which shots Skylar prefers to leave him on the next ball, and Skylar knows where to leave Bergman for his next shot. That is the epitome of team chemistry, knowing what shots your partner prefers and is comfortable with.

I'm pretty damn sure Bergman can leave Skylar with a bank on the 9 if push comes to shove because he knows Skylar will fire it in like nothing. I'm not saying he should do this though, lol.

For a railbird, you don't seem to watch a lot of pool.

Teacherman
11-02-2015, 01:31 PM
So.....Darren wasn't Darren during his first World Championship. Not until it was over was he Darren.

Your logic fails miserably.

railbird99
11-02-2015, 01:38 PM
So.....Darren wasn't Darren during his first World Championship. Not until it was over was he Darren.

Your logic fails miserably.

Nobody had any reason to consider Darren to be one of the best in the world until he proved he was one of the best in the world. I don't understand your logic. You somehow know these players are world class without world class results? That's impressive.

There's countless players that play at an extremely high level, then when they hit the world stage, they are irrelevant, whether or not it's mental or they just don't play that good. They have to prove they can win tournaments at that level before you just assume they are capable.

Ron Swanson
11-02-2015, 01:42 PM
Interesting. I see the sarcasm within your reply.
What brings you to that conclusion, july9x?

Those with 20 packs know.

20 or more (Heeeey, who are you?)
Black-Balled, july9x

railbird99
11-02-2015, 01:44 PM
I was referring to how Corey & Dechaine carried themselves as a unit and team. They balanced each other out and came out victorious.

So you don't think that knowing your partner's game in doubles is a huge advantage? I'm sure Bergman knows which shots Skylar prefers to leave him on the next ball, and Skylar knows where to leave Bergman for his next shot. That is the epitome of team chemistry, knowing what shots your partner prefers and is comfortable with.

I'm pretty damn sure Bergman can leave Skylar with a bank on the 9 if push comes to shove because he knows Skylar will fire it in like nothing. I'm not saying he should do this though, lol.

For a railbird, you don't seem to watch a lot of pool.

So the players on Europe who have won world championships in doubles together don't have the exact same advantage of knowing each other's games, on top of being proven world champions?

Where's the competitive advantage for Bergman and Sky, because I don't see it.

EDIT:

For a railbird, you don't seem to watch a lot of pool.


Quite the contrary, I seem to be one of the only people who have watched enough pool, and can rationally assess the situation, without emotion or bias.

Kris_b1104
11-02-2015, 01:54 PM
So the players on Europe who have won world championships in doubles together don't have the exact same advantage of knowing each other's games, on top of being proven world champions?

Where's the competitive advantage for Bergman and Sky, because I don't see it.

EDIT:


Quite the contrary, I seem to be one of the only people who have watched enough pool, and can rationally assess the situation, without emotion or bias.

Yes, I mentioned that the team of Darren and Karl are world class, as well as Feijen and NVB. I didn't say the Americans have a competitive advantage, if you read what I wrote you will see that I was simply stating they have a chance, and will put up a fight this time.

Teacherman
11-02-2015, 02:00 PM
Nobody had any reason to consider Darren to be one of the best in the world until he proved he was one of the best in the world. .

I've pointed out where your logic fails.....miserably.

Some knew. But you/others didn't.

I guess the Mosconi Cup should be made up of the Gabe Owens and Tommy Kennedy's....by your logic.

railbird99
11-02-2015, 02:05 PM
Yes, I mentioned that the team of Darren and Karl are world classclass, as well as Feijen and NVB. I didn't saw the Americans have a competitive advantage, if you read what I wrote you will see that I was simply stating they have a chance, and will put up a fight this time.

Fair enough, but any two players have a "chance", I don't understand why the Bergman/Sky team would be anything to get excited about if the odds are still in Europe's favor.

In absolute terms, I understand what you're saying. Bergman/Sky is a scary good team. In relative terms, including the context of who they are playing against, they really aren't anything to get too excited about.

railbird99
11-02-2015, 02:09 PM
I've pointed out where your logic fails.....miserably.

Some knew. But you/others didn't.

I guess the Mosconi Cup should be made up of the Gabe Owens and Tommy Kennedy's....by your logic.

Do you mind making sense when you post? I'd really appreciate it. Using phrases that include things like "that's a logical fallacy" with nothing but nonsense explaining why its a logical fallacy really doesn't add up to much.

EDIT:
People can't predict the future. The best they can do is go by what's happened in the past. Otherwise, you have no logical reason, and no factual basis for your opinion. If a player has never once proven themselves on this stage before, then you have no reason to think they have equal or better chances than 5 players that have all proven themselves.

You seem to believe strongly in hindsight, if you want to talk about logical fallacies.

kagewest
11-02-2015, 02:18 PM
From a logical perspective or odds maker point of view the USA will be monster underdogs. Not even close to being debatible. This is coming from a guy who is going to the Mosconi cup also. I'll root for them but I have to say this selection process for the wild cards has been made a joke. The USA better re think the caption selection process after we take our beating in December.

jburkm002
11-02-2015, 02:26 PM
Who is still left from Steinways for team USA?

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

railbird99
11-02-2015, 02:33 PM
From a logical perspective or odds maker point of view the USA will be monster underdogs. Not even close to being debatible. This is coming from a guy who is going to the Mosconi cup also. I'll root for them but I have to say this selection process for the wild cards has been made a joke. The USA better re think the caption selection process after we take our beating in December.

Finally, an unbiased and rational point of view.

There's no mystery as to why Europe wins every year.

We always have one player (Shane) that is currently in their prime, and a proven world class player. The other players we have are either past world champions that are past their prime, or up and coming talent that has yet to mature into a world class player.

Europe always has 5 top, proven world class players, all rock solid, that are at or close to their prime.

We really just don't have multiple players that play at that level, sadly.

watchez
11-02-2015, 02:33 PM
I was referring to how Corey & Dechaine carried themselves as a unit and team. They balanced each other out and came out victorious.

So you don't think that knowing your partner's game in doubles is a huge advantage? I'm sure Bergman knows which shots Skylar prefers to leave him on the next ball, and Skylar knows where to leave Bergman for his next shot. That is the epitome of team chemistry, knowing what shots your partner prefers and is comfortable with.

I'm pretty damn sure Bergman can leave Skylar with a bank on the 9 if push comes to shove because he knows Skylar will fire it in like nothing. I'm not saying he should do this though, lol.

For a railbird, you don't seem to watch a lot of pool.

How did SVB and DeChaine do in the last doubles tourney they played in? Refresh my memory.

How will SVB do with Corey as a partner?

My point is you can't predict anything. And to base it on how player X is gonna perform under pressure. Doug Williams skull f'd John Elway in the Super Bowl. Did you predict that? Tiger Woods won the Masters by how many strokes in his first pro event there? How many more first time examples do you want? How many more failures in greatness do you want?

All of these internet sport psychologists crack me up.

Last year you could question Mark on some of the picks. This year you have a hard time arguing it. As was posted on Facebook, it came down to Sky - Oscar - Archer - Frost. An argument could be made for all of them. Frost had the uphill battle of washing away he is only a one pocket player. He definitely needed a strong showing in the U.S. open and it didn't happen.

The U.S. needs to practice their lag. I would have a $100 penalty jar for each lag lost.

Last year I truly think that turning point was the all 5 players match. The U.S., if they won that early match, would have taken a lot of pressure off of them.

Busboy
11-02-2015, 05:03 PM
I love this line up this was my pick from the early part of the year I'm really excited to see this years cup win or lose its gonna be good one but I'm pulling for USA

poolplaya1
11-02-2015, 05:23 PM
We are definitely sending 5 of the top 7 US players(imo 5 of the top 6), this was not the case last year. We are a stronger team than last year, its really not that close.

The only problem is we'll win around 1/5 times with this team vs a stacked europe imo.


So you're saying there's a chance!

fat Albert
11-02-2015, 05:24 PM
The winning percentages in Mosconi Cup competition for the Euros are very telling and basically explain the results every year as of late. As well the years of Mosconi Cup experience the Euros come in with compared to the USA is significantly more.
A case could be made that selection based more on Mosconi Cup experience and Mosconi Cup winning percentages rather than emotions, popularity and youth would be in order to turn the tide. It seems to be working for the Euros

sjm
11-02-2015, 06:40 PM
Great job by Mark Wilson here. The Skyler pick is a bit of a gamble but Skyler, to me, has the same career trajectory as Bergman, with skills in more than one discipline.

In fact, it's the all-around skills that make me like this team:

SVB: His Master of the Tables at Derby City tell you all you need to know.

Deuel: In good form in nine ball right now, but also one of the world's best one pocket players. Speed control extraordinaire.

Dechaine: Had a great year in rotation games, but also came second in the DCC one pocket, plays very solid straight pool, second in the US Open 8-ball and showed at Super Billiards Expo that he is quite capable in three cushion billiards.

Bergman: In very good form right now in nine ball, and is very accomplished in both banks and one pocket. A fine all-around talent who keeps getting better.

Woodward: Still growing as a rotation games player but starting to collect some big scalps, one of the great bank pool players in the world, and a very strong eight ball player.

This is a team with a lot of skills. Bravo Mark Wilson on a job well done.

kagewest
11-02-2015, 11:54 PM
Great job by Mark Wilson here. The Skyler pick is a bit of a gamble but Skyler, to me, has the same career trajectory as Bergman, with skills in more than one discipline.

In fact, it's the all-around skills that make me like this team:

SVB: His Master of the Tables at Derby City tell you all you need to know.

Deuel: In good form in nine ball right now, but also one of the world's best one pocket players. Speed control extraordinaire.

Dechaine: Had a great year in rotation games, but also came second in the DCC one pocket, plays very solid straight pool, second in the US Open 8-ball and showed at Super Billiards Expo that he is quite capable in three cushion billiards.

Bergman: In very good form right now in nine ball, and is very accomplished in both banks and one pocket. A fine all-around talent who keeps getting better.

Woodward: Still growing as a rotation games player but starting to collect some big scalps, one of the great bank pool players in the world, and a very strong eight ball player.

This is a team with a lot of skills. Bravo Mark Wilson on a job well done.

Mark Wilson must be a friend of yours and that's cool. But your dead ass wrong. He had one job pick the right to wild card spots and he failed misrable. A 22 year old over archer frost Morris hell the list goes on 10 deep. This is a shit show pure and simple. Skyler can't beat the other 4 usa guys with the 5 out! This isn't Monday night apa with 1/2 price beers. Hell I'd rather have donny mills!

justadub
11-03-2015, 12:22 AM
Great job by Mark Wilson here. The Skyler pick is a bit of a gamble but Skyler, to me, has the same career trajectory as Bergman, with skills in more than one discipline.

In fact, it's the all-around skills that make me like this team:

SVB: His Master of the Tables at Derby City tell you all you need to know.

Deuel: In good form in nine ball right now, but also one of the world's best one pocket players. Speed control extraordinaire.

Dechaine: Had a great year in rotation games, but also came second in the DCC one pocket, plays very solid straight pool, second in the US Open 8-ball and showed at Super Billiards Expo that he is quite capable in three cushion billiards.

Bergman: In very good form right now in nine ball, and is very accomplished in both banks and one pocket. A fine all-around talent who keeps getting better.

Woodward: Still growing as a rotation games player but starting to collect some big scalps, one of the great bank pool players in the world, and a very strong eight ball player.

This is a team with a lot of skills. Bravo Mark Wilson on a job well done.

Well said, SJM.

I'm looking forward to the event!

AtLarge
11-03-2015, 12:28 AM
I think Justin Hall should have been on this team if for no other reason than he was the only USA player who showed up last year. He really played great. I have not heard why he skipped the US Open but that probably hurt his chances. Still think he should be there.

Justin Hall finished 33rd-48th in the US Open 9-Ball, going L, W, W, W, L.

pro9dg
11-03-2015, 04:45 AM
From a logical perspective or odds maker point of view the USA will be monster underdogs. Not even close to being debatible. This is coming from a guy who is going to the Mosconi cup also. I'll root for them but I have to say this selection process for the wild cards has been made a joke. The USA better re think the caption selection process after we take our beating in December.

Just what have we done to deserve you. Looks like we are set for a new high in Trolllism and a new low in Pool IQ.
But don't trouble your lame brain thinking about Mark Wilson because he is on target with his plans to sort out the future of the game in the USA. He will still be the captain long after you have departed.

JAM
11-03-2015, 04:53 AM
Just what have we done to deserve you. Looks like we are set for a new high in Trolllism and a new low in Pool IQ.
But don't trouble your lame brain thinking about Mark Wilson because he is on target with his plans to sort out the future of the game in the USA. He will still be the captain long after you have departed.

The one thing I really hope happens, Doug, is that Mark keeps all five players together during the entire time the Cup is in progress. This means eating, sleeping, and practicing. Maybe get a suite, if feasible and/or cost effective.

Last time Cup came to Vegas, the Europeans,thanks to their coach, stayed together throughout the Cup. They didn't "party," for lack of a better word, until the Cup was over. The Americans, on the other hand, each seemed to go their separate ways before, during, and after the Cup. This is what I think has hindered Team USA in past Cups. This is not a vacation of a free paycheck. This is the Cup and should be respected.

I pray there is no tension between Team USA members preventing a united front. I have heard whispers of tension between a couple of members of the current Team USA in recent times, which I hope has passed. They need to be a team, which means supporting each other through the Cup.

Vegas has so many distractions for the pool player, e.g., gambling, women, entertainment, et cetera. Team USA needs to concentrate on the Cup and not Vegas.

Bella Don't Cry
11-03-2015, 05:01 AM
The one thing I really hope happens, Doug, is that Mark keeps all five players together during the entire time the Cup is in progress. This means eating, sleeping, and practicing. Maybe get a suite, if feasible and/or cost effective.

Last time Cup came to Vegas, the Europeans,thanks to their coach, stayed together throughout the Cup. They didn't "party," for lack of a better word, until the Cup was over. The Americans, on the other hand, each seemed to go their separate ways before, during, and after the Cup. This is what I think has hindered Team USA in past Cups. This is not a vacation of a free paycheck. This is the Cup and should be respected.

I pray there is no tension between Team USA members preventing a united front. I have heard whispers of tension between a couple of members of the current Team USA in recent times, which I hope has passed. They need to be a team, which means supporting each other through the Cup.

Vegas has so many distractions for the pool player, e.g., gambling, women, entertainment, et cetera. Team USA needs to concentrate on the Cup and not Vegas.

I agree Jam
Vegas will be Vegas long after the MC is over. A nice suite away from the BS will have the team well rested and fully committed to the contest ahead. If USA can't make this happen on home soil then something's a miss... :thumbup:

Johnnyt
11-03-2015, 05:03 AM
The winning percentages in Mosconi Cup competition for the Euros are very telling and basically explain the results every year as of late. As well the years of Mosconi Cup experience the Euros come in with compared to the USA is significantly more.
A case could be made that selection based more on Mosconi Cup experience and Mosconi Cup winning percentages rather than emotions, popularity and youth would be in order to turn the tide. It seems to be working for the Euros

Johnny A. didn't make the team. You can put your drum away until next year. Johnnyt

Teacherman
11-03-2015, 06:25 AM
Jam,

Separate ways or separate windows?

JAM
11-03-2015, 06:33 AM
Jam,

Separate ways or separate windows?

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean. :frown:

pt109
11-03-2015, 06:38 AM
Could you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean. :frown:

SVB won't play like crap....but he may play craps.

JAM
11-03-2015, 06:46 AM
SVB won't play like crap....but he may play craps.

Oh, I get it now.

Well, Shane needs to stay away from those table games -- from all casino games -- and concentrate on practicing and team building.

mikeyfrost
11-03-2015, 07:35 AM
Oh, I get it now.

Well, Shane needs to stay away from those table games -- from all casino games -- and concentrate on practicing and team building.

I see Team USA as capable of only winning if they are front running. If they take any heat at all, all the fake bonding and putting personal differences to the side will go right out the window.

They have all the talent though so you never know how it will go. Will be interesting for sure.

kagewest
11-03-2015, 07:43 AM
Just what have we done to deserve you. Looks like we are set for a new high in Trolllism and a new low in Pool IQ.
But don't trouble your lame brain thinking about Mark Wilson because he is on target with his plans to sort out the future of the game in the USA. He will still be the captain long after you have departed.

It's a shame people like you have freedom of speach. What's the UK word for morron?

Mark Wilson dosent have a plan you must be joking! He can't even pick wildcards correctly. You think mark wilson is some high praise. Let the usa get embarrassed a few more times we shall see how long he stays in place. You want proof? Look at last year's team selections. Look at the activities he had them do prior to the cup, redicilious and SVB will vouch for that! He may be a good ole boy but right now he is personal responsible for 2 embarrassing mosconi cups. That's on him!

sjm
11-03-2015, 08:55 AM
Mark Wilson must be a friend of yours and that's cool. But your dead ass wrong. He had one job pick the right to wild card spots and he failed misrable. A 22 year old over archer frost Morris hell the list goes on 10 deep. This is a shit show pure and simple. Skyler can't beat the other 4 usa guys with the 5 out! This isn't Monday night apa with 1/2 price beers. Hell I'd rather have donny mills!

Bash Skyler as you like, but in what I'd call the three toughest fields of the year in American nine ball, all of them on big tables, Skyler finished as follows:

Derby City 9-ball: 6th
Turning Stone: 13th
US Open: 17th (I think)

On the big tables, Skyler outperformed Archer this year. Johnny didn't cash at Derby City or the US Open, and his performance at the US Open included an 11-1 loss to Souquet, not the hint that he's ready for Europe's best. By comparison, Skyler demolished former Europe Mosconi Cup player Tony Drago by a score of 11-3. Skyler outplayed Archer this year on both the big tables and the small tables. Deal with it.

watchez
11-03-2015, 09:01 AM
Oscar wound up beating Sky in Vega$ but for the last 1.5 - 2 hours of their match, on a super tight Diamond table - Sky played some of the best 9 ball I have ever seen. And I've seen a lot in 25 years. I think he missed one makeable ball and made a bunch that weren't makeable.

Sky can also keep the team lose if he can take on that role. That was suppose to be the role of Schmidt last year. And a Sky plays better too.

This fool kagewest and his opinions -- unfortunate he doesn't have a bankroll to back them up.

Zphix
11-03-2015, 09:10 AM
Mark Wilson must be a friend of yours and that's cool. But your dead ass wrong. He had one job pick the right to wild card spots and he failed misrable. A 22 year old over archer frost Morris hell the list goes on 10 deep. This is a shit show pure and simple. Skyler can't beat the other 4 usa guys with the 5 out! This isn't Monday night apa with 1/2 price beers. Hell I'd rather have donny mills!

You're an idiot.

OLD NO 9
11-03-2015, 09:21 AM
Mark Wilson must be a friend of yours and that's cool. But your dead ass wrong. He had one job pick the right to wild card spots and he failed misrable. A 22 year old over archer frost Morris hell the list goes on 10 deep. This is a shit show pure and simple. Skyler can't beat the other 4 usa guys with the 5 out! This isn't Monday night apa with 1/2 price beers. Hell I'd rather have donny mills!

Why do you keep embarrassing yourself with these silly posts? If anybody offered Sky the 5 and out there might be a fistfight in the parking lot to see who puts the money up.

Also, I asked you this in another thread "Please report back if Scott is on Rodney's "Missconi" cup team?" Since you didn't get back to me I'll answer for you it's NO. So if Scott can't make Rodney's team why should he make Mark's?

I've grown to like Scott so this is nothing personal.

pro9dg
11-03-2015, 09:24 AM
It's a shame people like you have freedom of speach. What's the UK word for morron?

Mark Wilson dosent have a plan you must be joking! He can't even pick wildcards correctly. You think mark wilson is some high praise. Let the usa get embarrassed a few more times we shall see how long he stays in place. You want proof? Look at last year's team selections. Look at the activities he had them do prior to the cup, redicilious and SVB will vouch for that! He may be a good ole boy but right now he is personal responsible for 2 embarrassing mosconi cups. That's on him!


I rest my case

sjm
11-03-2015, 09:32 AM
Oscar wound up beating Sky in Vega$ but for the last 1.5 - 2 hours of their match, on a super tight Diamond table - Sky played some of the best 9 ball I have ever seen. And I've seen a lot in 25 years. I think he missed one makeable ball and made a bunch that weren't makeable.

Sky can also keep the team lose if he can take on that role. That was suppose to be the role of Schmidt last year. And a Sky plays better too.

This fool kagewest and his opinions -- unfortunate he doesn't have a bankroll to back them up.

Yup, Oscar is a fine player and he'll be on the Mosconi Team in the future, but he didn't place well in the big events this year and that's why Skyler beat him out.

Zphix
11-03-2015, 09:38 AM
Oscar is a fantastic player for sure with one of the best safety-games I've ever seen. That being said, I also see him dog makeable shots (varying difficulties by the way) some of the time. Granted, pro players all miss shots some of the time but Oscar has a higher average of missed shots than other pros in my opinion.

I'm still a huge fan of his and respect his game immensely but I can't help but notice this trend in his play.

Baby Huey
11-03-2015, 10:54 AM
I'm sure we'll beat this subject to death before and after the Mosconi Cup. I like the selections that Mark picked for this years cup. But, are they the best five we have? We'll see. I think that Dennis Hatch should be on the team. I believe that he has the best game after Shane in the USA. But he doesn't play enough to get seriously considered. Not sure why that is but regardless he is such a huge presence and he has the fighter image about him that if he gets on a role, watch out. I am not optimistic about our chances.

Apocalypse2017
11-03-2015, 11:23 AM
-Home field advantage for the young guns
-Win the 5 player team game and get the first point
-Practice the lag and 9 on the spot
-Watchez is the teacher

sjm
11-03-2015, 02:08 PM
-Home field advantage for the young guns
-Win the 5 player team game and get the first point
-Practice the lag and 9 on the spot
-Watchez is the teacher

With the lead, without the lead, with or without the first point, I don't think any of it matters.

If we play well in singles, we'll be in the thick of it with this team. If we don't, Team Europe's work will be easy.

Agreed about the lag. When Americans warm up, it seems they never practice it, but owning the double hill break in a race to five format with alternate break is huge. You can rest assured they'll practice whatever break is in use.

Solomon
11-03-2015, 03:38 PM
I'm calling it now. Team USA will win the 2015 Mosconi Cup!

railbird99
11-03-2015, 04:03 PM
I'm calling it now. Team USA will win the 2015 Mosconi Cup!

How did you come up with this prediction, with all of the possible outcomes you had to consider?

kagewest
11-03-2015, 04:57 PM
I rest my case

You sir have no case. You shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Please stay in England!

Stew_Pidaso
11-03-2015, 05:05 PM
With the lead, without the lead, with or without the first point, I don't think any of it matters.

If we play well in singles, we'll be in the thick of it with this team. If we don't, Team Europe's work will be easy.

Agreed about the lag. When Americans warm up, it seems they never practice it, but owning the double hill break in a race to five format with alternate break is huge. You can rest assured they'll practice whatever break is in use.

I was told by both Mark and Justin, the players are not allowed to hit balls on the TV table at all except for the match. They practice on tables behind the scenes and the TV table plays faster most likely because of the lights and lack of play that the practice table(s) get. That is not making an excuse for the poor performance on the lags, but an interesting fact. Mark did mention that he tried to get them to practice the lag more last year on their own time, but they apparently didn't as much as they should have.

Solomon
11-03-2015, 05:57 PM
How did you come up with this prediction, with all of the possible outcomes you had to consider?
Sometimes you have to just go with your gut.

railbird99
11-03-2015, 10:04 PM
Sometimes you have to just go with your gut.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Hitler said right after his decision to fulfill his vision, but to each his own.

jasonlaus
11-04-2015, 09:18 AM
You sir have no case. You shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Please stay in England!

How are you still here? Are you one of the mods trying to have some fun? Couldn't be that though, you're too ignorant

Teacherman
11-04-2015, 09:40 AM
I propose that for one year....next year....we keep the same 5 guys. And after this year's Mosconi Cup they travel and train together for the 2016 Mosconi Cup. There could....and should be....several events (10 -15 events) across the country in billiard rooms that raises money for their support through admissions and stream. They train together and play together as much as schedules allow (while still allowing them time for other important events). During these events they compete against tough competition in tough environments. Maybe we invite Phillippino or Taiwan teams or other teams to provide some of the competition.

After next year....we pick the next Cup players based on a point system similar to the one used this year and after the current Mosconi Cup the new team starts to go through the travel and training cycle again.

This could be a huge lift for pool. The team could go to as many (all) regions of the country in their training year and the locals could come out and watch and support them. I know I would be excited to see them when they came to my area. This would grow support and anticipation for the event. It could be at a frenzie high by the time they start the Cup match with tons of national interest. Maybe we could get some media coverage as we go city to city.

If we could get the best juniors in each area to provide an 'opening act' at each event then we have the start of a worthy youth program that encourages the kids to pursue the game.

Open to all ideas. But....getting the team for a year BEFORE the Cup....traveling and training together as much as schedules allow....will do two things. Build their games through training....and build the team chemistry.

Making this financially feasible FOR THE PLAYERS....is key.

I volunteer to host the first event. :D And more....

pro9dg
11-04-2015, 11:11 AM
I propose that for one year....next year....we keep the same 5 guys. And after this year's Mosconi Cup they travel and train together for the 2016 Mosconi Cup. There could....and should be....several events (10 -15 events) across the country in billiard rooms that raises money for their support through admissions and stream. They train together and play together as much as schedules allow (while still allowing them time for other important events). During these events they compete against tough competition in tough environments. Maybe we invite Phillippino or Taiwan teams or other teams to provide some of the competition.

After next year....we pick the next Cup players based on a point system similar to the one used this year and after the current Mosconi Cup the new team starts to go through the travel and training cycle again.

This could be a huge lift for pool. The team could go to as many (all) regions of the country in their training year and the locals could come out and watch and support them. I know I would be excited to see them when they came to my area. This would grow support and anticipation for the event. It could be at a frenzie high by the time they start the Cup match with tons of national interest. Maybe we could get some media coverage as we go city to city.

If we could get the best juniors in each area to provide an 'opening act' at each event then we have the start of a worthy youth program that encourages the kids to pursue the game.

Open to all ideas. But....getting the team for a year BEFORE the Cup....traveling and training together as much as schedules allow....will do two things. Build their games through training....and build the team chemistry.

Making this financially feasible FOR THE PLAYERS....is key.

I volunteer to host the first event. :D And more....

Probably the most constructive post on this subject since Mark became captain almost two years. This is the path that Mark has tried to follow since he took the job but logistics and lack of money stymied him.
The critical part is going in to 2016 with his 2015 team intact

justadub
11-04-2015, 03:27 PM
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Hitler said right after his decision to fulfill his vision, but to each his own.

Godwins Law

ideologist
11-04-2015, 03:59 PM
Godwins Law

Was just thinking the same, you'd expect this in NPR, not here.

Ron Swanson
11-04-2015, 04:05 PM
Was just thinking the same, you'd expect this in NPR, not here.

It may be godwin's but that does not invalidate the point.

railbird99
11-04-2015, 04:17 PM
Godwins Law

It's my pleasure to help this forum abide by some kind of law, in the midst of all the chaos.

TL;DR: You're welcome.

TATE
11-04-2015, 05:56 PM
I know everyone wants to root for USA...

and bet on Europe.

Solomon
11-04-2015, 06:56 PM
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Hitler said right after his decision to fulfill his vision, but to each his own.
Yeah, because my prediction is pretty comparable to what Hitler did.

railbird99
11-05-2015, 01:54 AM
Yeah, because my prediction is pretty comparable to what Hitler did.

The prediction is only in question because of the logic used to create it, which is comparable.

Solomon
11-05-2015, 10:08 PM
The prediction is only in question because of the logic used to create it, which is comparable.
Yeah, okay.

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/9/8054/troll.jpg

Busboy
11-05-2015, 11:25 PM
I propose that for one year....next year....we keep the same 5 guys. And after this year's Mosconi Cup they travel and train together for the 2016 Mosconi Cup. There could....and should be....several events (10 -15 events) across the country in billiard rooms that raises money for their support through admissions and stream. They train together and play together as much as schedules allow (while still allowing them time for other important events). During these events they compete against tough competition in tough environments. Maybe we invite Phillippino or Taiwan teams or other teams to provide some of the competition.

After next year....we pick the next Cup players based on a point system similar to the one used this year and after the current Mosconi Cup the new team starts to go through the travel and training cycle again.

This could be a huge lift for pool. The team could go to as many (all) regions of the country in their training year and the locals could come out and watch and support them. I know I would be excited to see them when they came to my area. This would grow support and anticipation for the event. It could be at a frenzie high by the time they start the Cup match with tons of national interest. Maybe we could get some media coverage as we go city to city.

If we could get the best juniors in each area to provide an 'opening act' at each event then we have the start of a worthy youth program that encourages the kids to pursue the game.

Open to all ideas. But....getting the team for a year BEFORE the Cup....traveling and training together as much as schedules allow....will do two things. Build their games through training....and build the team chemistry.

Making this financially feasible FOR THE PLAYERS....is key.

I volunteer to host the first event. :D And more....

Mark was saying something along these lines at the Durbin cup I think it would be great