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JAM
11-05-2015, 03:04 AM
Mike Surber's murder has become a cold case since November of 2009. Here is a brief summary of what happened:

The death of 54-year-old Michael Surber was ruled a homicide Sunday, Ocean Springs Police Lt. John Flowers said.

"From the beginning we thought there were suspicious circumstances," Flowers said. "After viewing the autopsy results we now think there was foul play."

Flowers declined to comment about how Surber died or a possible motive for the slaying, citing the ongoing investigation.

The lieutenant did say detectives are looking for a person of interest who was captured on surveillance video with Surber the last time he was seen alive.

Surber is shown on the video leaving Skeeter's Billiards in Gulfport Tuesday night with an unidentified man, Flowers said.

Officers found Surber's body inside his home on Linda Drive at 6:20 p.m. Thursday after Gulfport Councilman Ricky Dombrowski, owner of Skeeter's, and other friends went to Surber's home in Ocean Springs to check on him.

"Mr. Surber's car had been in the parking lot for two days without moving," Flowers said.

Once there, Dombrowski said they found the house still boarded in preparation for Tropical Storm Ida. They managed to open a window and look inside. That's when they saw their friend lying on the floor, and called police, Dombrowski said.

Surber lived alone and was an avid pool player, Flowers said.

Flowers said anyone with information should call the Ocean Springs Police Department at 228-875-2211.


It is believed that Mike was killed with a knife, if my reading of the news articles since that time is correct. Mike Surber was well loved by his family and friends. He worked in the casinios most of his entire life and was an avid pool player. Please help us find the person who murdered this kind soul.

Ray Hansen (aka "Big Truck" on AzBilliards) has created a brand-new Facebook page dedicated to finding the murderer of Mike Surber called "Catch a Killer."

For those on Facebook, please share this link on your Facebook page: Catch a Killer (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1514573228867676/).

I had dedicated a domain name and website immediately after this senseless murder happened, but, unfortunately, when it came time to renew this last year, the renewal notices went into my spam or else I never received them, so the website was taken down, which was my fault for not paying closer attention to the due dates of when the renewals needed to be made. :(

Bravo to Ray (Big Truck) for keeping this mission to find this murderer going. Facebook's viewership just might reach more people than the website did. Please, again, share the "Catch a Killer" Facebook page on your own Facebook page. Let's give justice to Biloxi Mike. This cold case needs to be closed with the arrest of the murderer. He's still out here, roaming the countryside.

Here is a photo of the creep who police suggest is the suspect.

JAM
11-05-2015, 03:05 AM
Here's a great photo of Biloxi Mike at the Derby, courtesy of Steve Booth and OnePocket.org.

JAM
11-05-2015, 03:08 AM
In this 7-minute YouTube video, you can see the creep preying on Mike. He managed to get Mike to heave Skeeter's pool room with him. Mike offered to give him a ride somewhere, and what happened after that? Mike ends up dead by knife.

You can see this guy in the surveillance footage. Somebody has to recognize him. I am hoping Facebook will help in this regard. Please do share Catch a Killer FB page on your FB page.

Surveilllance footage --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7gtdfoaHmM

JAM
11-05-2015, 03:10 AM
Read this Memorial Page by Steve Booth and OnePocket.org: In Memory of a Great Player (http://www.onepocket.org/SurberMemorial.htm).

JAM
11-05-2015, 03:13 AM
In January 2010, detectives said they believed a transient man could be responsible for Surber's death and a man captured on surveillance video was named as the primary suspect.

The primary suspect was last seen wearing a blue dress shirt and dark slacks while leaving Skeeter's Billiards in Gulfport with Surber just two days before he died.

The man is believed to be his late 40s to mid-50s, standing from 5 feet 8 to 6 feet tall and weighing 175 to 185 pounds, Flowers said.

In surveillance video, the man has dirty blond hair pulled back into a ponytail just below the collar and a receding hairline.

JAM
11-05-2015, 03:15 AM
Anyone with information about the suspect or the stabbing death of Michael Surber should call the Ocean Springs Police Department at 228-875-2211 or their local law enforcement agency.

jasonlaus
11-05-2015, 10:14 AM
In this 7-minute YouTube video, you can see the creep preying on Mike. He managed to get Mike to heave Skeeter's pool room with him. Mike offered to give him a ride somewhere, and what happened after that? Mike ends up dead by knife.

You can see this guy in the surveillance footage. Somebody has to recognize him. I am hoping Facebook will help in this regard. Please do share Catch a Killer FB page on your FB page.

Surveilllance footage --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7gtdfoaHmM

Were Mike's cues stolen? If so, have they turned up?

jason
11-05-2015, 10:41 AM
Jam,

I don't post much anymore, but I still think about this case and I want to get this SOB. I didn't know mike, but I feel personally hurt because he is one of ours. Thanks for reposting. Lets keep his memory alive. No matter how long it takes we never quit trying to get justice.

Bigtruck
11-05-2015, 12:07 PM
More to come.

fastone371
11-05-2015, 12:54 PM
How come they say that a satellite can read a newspaper on earth while the satellite is in orbit yet surveillance camera images are grainy and blurry from 20 feet away?????:confused:

Keith E.
11-05-2015, 01:03 PM
How come they say that a satellite can read a newspaper on earth while the satellite is in orbit yet surveillance camera images are grainy and blurry from 20 feet away?????:confused:

That would be because the owners can't afford the technology that our tax-funded govt can.

Keith

cuesblues
11-05-2015, 01:53 PM
Even though I didn't know Mike, I've taken this personally as so many others have.
I think about it quite often, and it's surprising they haven't caught this murdering creep.
The cops have his picture, they know his MO, but like JAM says it's a cold case, which is tough to hear

Bigtruck
11-06-2015, 12:32 AM
Look closely at the way this guy cues up his shot. Unique stance. Low-mid level player. Who stands with their legs together like this when they shoot??

Ray

cuesblues
11-06-2015, 12:56 AM
Who stands with their legs together like this when they shoot??


I've seen bar players stand that way, it's a fundamental difference specific to hillbilly
pool, and in this case a murdering hillbilly pool player.
This creep in probably dead or in prison...maybe both

Bigtruck
11-06-2015, 01:15 AM
I've seen bar players stand that way, it's a fundamental difference specific to hillbilly
pool, and in this case a murdering hillbilly pool player.
This creep in probably dead or in prison...maybe both

I think most will agree that the way people stand when they're shooting is almost as unique as finger prints.

Let's keep an eye out for this guy and his unique way of shooting. Drinks bud light.

Check out the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s

Ray

adding... Gene Albrecht noticed that he chalks the cue in a unique way too.

GaryB
11-06-2015, 02:40 AM
Social Media can be of a tremendous help in keeping this "cold case" alive. This man is distinctive enough that some one out there will recognize him. Very likely he is doing time somewhere. He definitely didn't drop off the face of the earth. He is a predator.

Poolplaya9
11-06-2015, 03:36 AM
Look closely at the way this guy cues up his shot. Unique stance. Low-mid level player. Who stands with their legs together like this when they shoot??

You beat me to it. It seems that he doesn't always have the same stance though, and in fact it varies quite significantly which is pretty unusual and then each one of the stances seems fairly unusual by itself too. I wonder if he wasn't doing this intentionally to look clueless, perhaps on the stall to find an easier game? He seems to be playing real fast and one stroking most of his shots too.

If these really are his typical stances and they constantly change like that though, I would think that he most likely is fairly low level player like you said and he probably plays mostly in bars and very rarely pool halls, or at least if he does go to pool halls he isn't one of the "players" (unless he was just on the stall here, in which case maybe he could be, but to me he looks more like a genuine crappy/bar type player instead of it being an act).

Take a look at a few examples of the things that seem fairly unusual (to me anyway) and that someone might perhaps recognize him by:

As Gene Albrecht pointed out (per Ray), his chalking of the cue isn't typical in a pool hall anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=4m44s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=5m50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=6m00s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=6m06s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=7m34s

Holds the cue unusually far away from his body when stroking the shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=5m53s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIyjcWIX8Fc&t=4m04s

Stance is more square to the shot like a snooker player, legs spread real wide, both feet are very duck footed and angle out noticeably.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=4m55s

Feet and knees are both pretty tightly together, both legs pretty straight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=8m40s

Like the last shot, legs still straight and knees together but left foot is a bit further forward this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=8m52s

Pretty much the same as the last two shots, legs still straight, but the left foot is even further forward this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC8Lv27_G4s&t=9m07s

His feet are more separated this time, a bit closer to a typical stance but both legs are still straight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIyjcWIX8Fc&t=1m12s

With these unusual stances and cueing, and how much his stance varies, he might be more easily recognized first by these mannerisms and maybe somebody will say in their mind "hey that reminds me of so and so who does that" and then they will look closely at the pictures of the perpetrator and notice the facial resemblance to the person they had in mind whereas it might never have clicked just from seeing the picture.

Bigtruck
11-06-2015, 09:30 AM
Someone in the Facebook group Catch a Killer offered up a scenario that whether it happened or not is a red flag that could cost you your life if you're a pool player.

He suggested that the guys hustle may be to lose a considerable amount gambling and then, having little money on him, gets you to give him a ride to "get it". Then robs you and gets picked up by an accomplice. Maybe this is what happened but Mike put up a fight.

Ray

Moet.1977
11-07-2015, 07:35 AM
Since this thread I went back and looked threw my Accu-stats videos, I have the 2009 Sylver Ochoa vs: Mike Surber. In their Jay Helfert talk about Mikes cues, says he plays with two different ones. A Kersanbrock and a Srcuggs, his Kersanbrock is very rare I think it's got steel joint with fire color veneers, ebony butt with sliver or mother of pearl ovals in butt and in the points. Has a maple forarm. Also the butt is white derlin butt cap .

His Srcuggs cue is maple forarm solid ebony points, ebony butt with black butt cap. Also has a black joint and a sliver ring at joint and sliver ring above butt cap. It's pretty plain cue.
I think if someone has pictures of his cues it be good to post them, who no's it could help caught this scumbag that killed Mike. Hope this helps.
Sean.

BmoreMoney
11-07-2015, 07:55 AM
Did nothing come of the fingerprint evidence from when this guy drove the car back to the pool hall?

Moet.1977
11-07-2015, 08:07 AM
Did nothing come of the fingerprint evidence from when this guy drove the car back to the pool hall?

I have no ideal, but if his cues were took (stolen) their just like a finger print and if their located it would give the police somewhere to start. Turn this cold case back into a live case and hunt down this low life.

BmoreMoney
11-07-2015, 08:20 AM
I have no ideal, but if his cues were took (stolen) their just like a finger print and if their located it would give the police somewhere to start. Turn this cold case back into a live case and hunt down this low life.

Maybe right afterwards at that time it may have been a good lead but with this much time passed the cues could have changed hands may times with the people not even knowing they were stolen.

greyghost
11-07-2015, 09:58 AM
they should make every league player in the country watch those videos.......

Bigtruck
11-17-2015, 06:34 PM
If anyone would like a copy mailed or emailed to print please let me know.

You can download a full quality version on the Facebook Group "Catch a Killer".

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1514573228867676/

genomachino
11-17-2015, 09:19 PM
If anyone would like a copy mailed or emailed to print please let me know.

You can download a full quality version on the Facebook Group "Catch a Killer".

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1514573228867676/

Should be soon. Might be the right guy and maybe not?

Bigtruck
11-24-2015, 07:43 PM
***UPDATE - We have a solid lead and may soon know the true identity of the man shown in this poster. 11-24-2015

Chip Roberson
11-24-2015, 08:00 PM
Certainly Hope That They Grab This Bastard quickly Now ! Hope that This Lead Pans Out.

Bigtruck
11-24-2015, 08:19 PM
New Enhanced Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJdBuSP6Uso

BasementDweller
11-24-2015, 09:05 PM
If they really have a hot lead on the guy why give him a heads up by posting that?

Just a thought.

genomachino
11-24-2015, 09:11 PM
If they really have a hot lead on the guy why give him a heads up by posting that?

Just a thought.

Waiting for DNA test to come back on one guy. Took a long time to get this far. Might not even be the guy but he sure looks like him......

ROB.M
11-24-2015, 09:31 PM
Waiting for DNA test to come back on one guy. Took a long time to get this far. Might not even be the guy but he sure looks like him......

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Who looks like him?
What'd we miss...?

When they find him I hope they hanged that sucker from the highest tree!





Rob.M

JoeyA
11-24-2015, 09:52 PM
Not only was Mike Surber a well-liked pool player. He was an all around good guy AND A VERY STREET-WISE GUY!
I don't know how that guy convinced Mike to give him a ride.

I guess anyone can make a mistake. I'm sorry it cost Mike his life.

JoeyA

genomachino
11-24-2015, 11:18 PM
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Who looks like him?
What'd we miss...?

When they find him I hope they hanged that sucker from the highest tree!
Rob.M

He was playing on a 9 footer all by himself. I was playing in a weekly tournament.
I couldn't believe what I saw. this looked a lot like the guy.

Same type of shirt, long hair but not in a ponytail and a nose that is pretty distinct.

I called JoeyA and told him I thought this was the guy. He asked me if the guy was drinking Bud Light. I went into the bar and asked the waitress. Sure enough Bud light.

I called JoeyA back and he asked me to look and see if the guy shoots with his legs straight, not bent. Sure enough.

I was trying to get a picture of this guy with my phone and he started picking up the balls to check them out. The picture that I did get was kind of from the back right side. Couldn't see his face.

I went outside to get the plate number when he got in the car. I didn't feel comfortable because I was sure the guy knew he had drew my attention bigtime.

He got in a Toyoto Prius, Silver. I had the police on the phone and I read the plate number to them.

2 hours later they sent out a squad car and the officer didn't even know why he was coming out.

I'm sure they thought I was a clown because the 2 kids at the counter didn't think this customer of theirs could be a killer and the lady that ran the poolhall came out as the officer got there and made her displeasure with me accusing one of her customers as a maybe killer.

The videos of this guy were always from up above and when this guy would get down on a shot I got the same angle it was really bone chilling, the resemblance.

I called the police the next day and they wouldn't talk to me. I persisted and finally got very limited info.

I called Captain Jackson and told him of the events.

He had trouble working with the local police in the town that I was in.

I called Steve Surber and told him that this might be the guy and I also talked to JoeyA some more about it. I also talked to Ray Hansen back then and I told both of them that they wanted me to keep it quiet on the internet so I did.

I was in Beloit about 2 months ago and I saw Mike Dunklin, a good friend of mine that would go to this pool hall and play from time to time. he said the guy used to stop in every week but since he never saw the guy again. He might have come in but not when Mike was there.

So I got on the phone with Captain Jackson again and he informed me that they finally got a DNA sample from this guy. Turns out that there was a cig but in Mikes car ash tray and they had the DNA from that. He informed me that it takes 3 to 4 months for the results.

It could be the killers and maybe not.

This has been coming about for 2 years.

That's all I know.

Bigtruck
11-24-2015, 11:34 PM
If they really have a hot lead on the guy why give him a heads up by posting that?

Just a thought.

There is a lot more that is not being posted yet. Trust me I want to post everything but we need to wait until Captain Jackson gives the green light.

We wanted to share that there is a development to create more interest because even if the we gain the identity of the person on the poster, it doesn't mean he is caught, We need everyone to keep sharing the poster please and keep looking out for this man.

Ray

chevybob20
11-25-2015, 12:45 AM
Did you see what cue he was playing with? I know it's a long shot but criminals can do stupid things. For the record, I don't think the perp in this case is stupid he just lacks morals.

James2003
11-25-2015, 12:53 AM
Mike Surber's murder has become a cold case since November of 2009. Here is a brief summary of what happened:

The death of 54-year-old Michael Surber was ruled a homicide Sunday, Ocean Springs Police Lt. John Flowers said.

"From the beginning we thought there were suspicious circumstances," Flowers said. "After viewing the autopsy results we now think there was foul play."

Flowers declined to comment about how Surber died or a possible motive for the slaying, citing the ongoing investigation.

The lieutenant did say detectives are looking for a person of interest who was captured on surveillance video with Surber the last time he was seen alive.

Surber is shown on the video leaving Skeeter's Billiards in Gulfport Tuesday night with an unidentified man, Flowers said.

Officers found Surber's body inside his home on Linda Drive at 6:20 p.m. Thursday after Gulfport Councilman Ricky Dombrowski, owner of Skeeter's, and other friends went to Surber's home in Ocean Springs to check on him.

"Mr. Surber's car had been in the parking lot for two days without moving," Flowers said.

Once there, Dombrowski said they found the house still boarded in preparation for Tropical Storm Ida. They managed to open a window and look inside. That's when they saw their friend lying on the floor, and called police, Dombrowski said.

Surber lived alone and was an avid pool player, Flowers said.

Flowers said anyone with information should call the Ocean Springs Police Department at 228-875-2211.


It is believed that Mike was killed with a knife, if my reading of the news articles since that time is correct. Mike Surber was well loved by his family and friends. He worked in the casinios most of his entire life and was an avid pool player. Please help us find the person who murdered this kind soul.

Ray Hansen (aka "Big Truck" on AzBilliards) has created a brand-new Facebook page dedicated to finding the murderer of Mike Surber called "Catch a Killer."

For those on Facebook, please share this link on your Facebook page: Catch a Killer (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1514573228867676/).

I had dedicated a domain name and website immediately after this senseless murder happened, but, unfortunately, when it came time to renew this last year, the renewal notices went into my spam or else I never received them, so the website was taken down, which was my fault for not paying closer attention to the due dates of when the renewals needed to be made. :(

Bravo to Ray (Big Truck) for keeping this mission to find this murderer going. Facebook's viewership just might reach more people than the website did. Please, again, share the "Catch a Killer" Facebook page on your own Facebook page. Let's give justice to Biloxi Mike. This cold case needs to be closed with the arrest of the murderer. He's still out here, roaming the countryside.

Here is a photo of the creep who police suggest is the suspect.




Hopefully it will not take 3-4 months for the results to come back.

Kickin' Chicken
11-25-2015, 05:52 AM
There is a lot more that is not being posted yet. Trust me I want to post everything but we need to wait until Captain Jackson gives the green light.

We wanted to share that there is a development to create more interest because even if the we gain the identity of the person on the poster, it doesn't mean he is caught, We need everyone to keep sharing the poster please and keep looking out for this man.

Ray

Great news, Ray!!!

Hopefully, Justice for Mike Surber will come soon.

best,
brian kc

JoeyA
11-25-2015, 10:52 AM
Regardless of the outcome of this, I would like to publicly thank Ray Hansen for his tireless efforts over these many years in keeping Mike Surber's murder in the public eye.

Thank you Ray!

JoeyA

Kickin' Chicken
11-25-2015, 12:08 PM
Regardless of the outcome of this, I would like to publicly thank Ray Hansen for his tireless efforts over these many years in keeping Mike Surber's murder in the public eye.

Thank you Ray!

JoeyA

tap tap tap

rhinobywilhite
11-25-2015, 12:20 PM
I agree with Joey A and kickin' chicken. Find the creep and let the law give him his final injection!

chevybob20
11-25-2015, 12:40 PM
Regardless of the outcome of this, I would like to publicly thank Ray Hansen for his tireless efforts over these many years in keeping Mike Surber's murder in the public eye.

Thank you Ray!

JoeyA

Thanks Ray

Bigtruck
11-26-2015, 08:59 AM
Thanks to everyone for the kind words but there are many involved in keeping the flame burning to catch this person.

Here is the latest updates that we can share:

We have someone who is certain that the man in the security video IS their family member. Everything fits. The relative is a career criminal and about the right age. This means we now have a name. They also shared a mugshot of their family member. It does appear to be him. The problem we have is the mugshot is from 1999 and the family hasn't seen or heard from him in over 8 yrs!

We had another member of the Facebook group, Catch a Killer, that ran the name through the NCIC system. We got a hit!! The man is incarcerated but WAS not at the time of murder! The problem was the photo attached to that name. The family member does not think this one is him. :(

Several things could be going on here. 1. They system could have the incorrect photo attached. 2. The man's appearance could be different due to Meth. (what he was arrested for. 3. It could be the wrong person with same name.

Captain Jackson with the Ocean Springs PD is looking into all possibilities. In the meantime we should stay vigilant. Keep spreading the poster. Keep looking out for possible matches.

The good news is we still have someone who is certain that the perp is their family member and even if the person who came up on the NCIC isn't the guy, we can continue efforts to locate the person's family member.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone,

Ray

(((Satori)))
11-26-2015, 10:00 AM
Thanks to everyone for the kind words but there are many involved in keeping the flame burning to catch this person.

Here is the latest updates that we can share:

We have someone who is certain that the man in the security video IS their family member. Everything fits. The relative is a career criminal and about the right age. This means we now have a name. They also shared a mugshot of their family member. It does appear to be him. The problem we have is the mugshot is from 1999 and the family hasn't seen or heard from him in over 8 yrs!

We had another member of the Facebook group, Catch a Killer, that ran the name through the NCIC system. We got a hit!! The man is incarcerated but WAS not at the time of murder! The problem was the photo attached to that name. The family member does not think this one is him. :(

Several things could be going on here. 1. They system could have the incorrect photo attached. 2. The man's appearance could be different due to Meth. (what he was arrested for. 3. It could be the wrong person with same name.

Captain Jackson with the Ocean Springs PD is looking into all possibilities. In the meantime we should stay vigilant. Keep spreading the poster. Keep looking out for possible matches.

The good news is we still have someone who is certain that the perp is their family member and even if the person who came up on the NCIC isn't the guy, we can continue efforts to locate the person's family member.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone,

Ray

That is good news. This sounds promising. Keep up the good work.

Are they still waiting on the dna results for Genes man?

genomachino
11-26-2015, 04:13 PM
That is good news. This sounds promising. Keep up the good work.

Are they still waiting on the dna results for Genes man?

I sure hope they get this guy.......

chevybob20
11-26-2015, 04:28 PM
Regardless of the outcome of this, I would like to publicly thank Ray Hansen for his tireless efforts over these many years in keeping Mike Surber's murder in the public eye.

Thank you Ray!

JoeyA


Thanks to you and Jenny Ann too. You two kept this atrocity in the front of everybody's mind.

This is a good community.

Johnnyt
11-26-2015, 05:16 PM
Well done Jam, Ray, Joey A, and all the other people that worked to bring Mike's murderer to justice and to those that helped keep it on the front burner. Sounds like you got him cornered. Johnnyt

carl Robinson
11-26-2015, 06:31 PM
Where were you when you saw him
What state
What pool room

sonny_burnett
11-26-2015, 06:46 PM
Bud Light lead is useless since it's the most popular beer sold.

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Bigtruck
11-26-2015, 09:19 PM
Bud Light lead is useless since it's the most popular beer sold.

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No detail should be deemed useless. ANY notion that someone has that a person seen MIGHT be this guy, please share with us, Catch A Killer on Facebook or Captain Jackson with the Ocean Spring PD or CrimeStoppers.

Bigtruck
11-26-2015, 09:20 PM
Where were you when you saw him
What state
What pool room

First, we need to know who you are talking to?

Thanks,

Ray

JoeyA
11-26-2015, 09:22 PM
Bud Light lead is useless since it's the most popular beer sold.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

How many people while drinking a Bud Lite with their right hand and put their left hand in their front pants pocket. That's a habit that is pretty unusual.

Also, this person has a habit of not paying his tab at the bar. Sometimes uses a bogus credit card to make out like he wants to pay the tab. Bartenders would remember a guy like this, especially the owner of the establishment. Add in that unique pocket billiard stance of his and someone would recognize this guy.

PUT THE POSTER OF HIM ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE.

JoeyA

carl Robinson
11-26-2015, 09:44 PM
[QUOTE=Bigtruck;5373045]First, we need to know who you are talking to?

Thanks,

Sorry
Genomachino

Lonestar_jim
11-27-2015, 08:25 AM
I am happy to hear about the progress in this case. Without leads the cases get forgotten by police. Without people like family and friends they go cold too.

Thanks to everyone here who continues to be vigilant and keep Mike Surber in their mind and daily thoughts.

u12armresl
11-29-2015, 09:54 PM
I wanted to add something to the thread which is very important to a situation like this.

Everyone wants to see Mike's killer brought to justice. However, this is a relatively small police department, and some people have already worn out their welcome directly calling them and continuing to talk about people who look like this guy does.

I suggest that if Ray wants to, or someone else wants to, that they are the only one who makes contact with the department and then if the department wants to follow up, then Ray could pass out that information.

These departments get spooked really easily, and can go from helping to not taking your phone call in a second.

Lastly, I cannot stress enough the "mistaken identity" factor where people are the most fallible piece of this puzzle. The studies and situations are too numerous to post here, but we all want to think we've seen this guy, and the truth is maybe one or 2 of us actually have.

Prime example is a picture like this
http://fanpix.famousfix.com/gallery/kevin-gage/p17375583

Kevin has had many roles in movies and mostly looked like the pic that Ray posted.

Since investigations are my life, if I can help I will. Albeit I am a long way from there. Boots on the ground help for ruling out people or gathering evidence. Maybe along the way a liaison would be the way to go in order to work with the police down there in a result. They just don't have the manpower to re-interview everyone, compare stories, and run down potential dead ends or leads.

Bigtruck
11-29-2015, 11:53 PM
I wanted to add something to the thread which is very important to a situation like this.

Everyone wants to see Mike's killer brought to justice. However, this is a relatively small police department, and some people have already worn out their welcome directly calling them and continuing to talk about people who look like this guy does.

I suggest that if Ray wants to, or someone else wants to, that they are the only one who makes contact with the department and then if the department wants to follow up, then Ray could pass out that information.

These departments get spooked really easily, and can go from helping to not taking your phone call in a second.

Lastly, I cannot stress enough the "mistaken identity" factor where people are the most fallible piece of this puzzle. The studies and situations are too numerous to post here, but we all want to think we've seen this guy, and the truth is maybe one or 2 of us actually have.

Prime example is a picture like this
http://fanpix.famousfix.com/gallery/kevin-gage/p17375583

Kevin has had many roles in movies and mostly looked like the pic that Ray posted.

Since investigations are my life, if I can help I will. Albeit I am a long way from there. Boots on the ground help for ruling out people or gathering evidence. Maybe along the way a liaison would be the way to go in order to work with the police down there in a result. They just don't have the manpower to re-interview everyone, compare stories, and run down potential dead ends or leads.


Best lead that I've heard of is the one were a family member gave him a name. Said the guy in the picture IS their close family relative. I've seen the photo and I agree. I will share more as possible.

Ray

GreenFeltguy
12-05-2015, 07:46 PM
Those of us lucky enough to know Mike Surber would really be happy if that piece of garbage that murdered Mike would be brought to justice and presented to Big Bubba as a roommate for the rest of his life.

Kickin' Chicken
10-07-2016, 02:51 PM
Will this SOB ever get caught? :angry:

Closing in on another holiday season and Mike Surber deserves some justice.

best,
brian kc

spliced
09-11-2018, 05:21 PM
Someone posted this today on a Facebook buy/sell/trade page in my area. A bit of a resemblance to Surber’s killer, no?

**edit- photo removed as doc does not think this man is the killer.

poolhustler
09-11-2018, 06:20 PM
Haven't seen the old pics in a long time, too long Ö but from what I remember that dude does look like the killer.

Cardigan Kid
09-11-2018, 06:55 PM
Someone posted this today on a Facebook buy/sell/trade page in my area. A bit of a resemblance to Surberís killer, no?

That's a pretty heavy resemblance from the wanted poster just a few posts above on this page.
If the authorities ever collected any suspect DNA from the murder scene...maybe a cigarette butt, then they should be able to do a cross check when they catch this miscreant.

Very good diligence to whoever is still watching out for Mike's justice.

lowgear
09-11-2018, 08:58 PM
DAMN spliced........

If that isn't him it's a spitting image.....and that NOSE...
Man that looks exactly like the pics I've seen of the guy that killed Mike.
Surely someone will forward this to whatever authorities are involved in
the case. Is Gulfport Doc still around? Didn't he actually SEE the guy?

JAM
09-12-2018, 01:02 AM
The photo itself is EXTREMELY large, much too large for a forum software. It is hard to see. I have a 27-inch monitor, and I can't see it well.

Iwiill make it smaller and share it over at Onepocket-dot-org. I think Doc hangs out there.

Interestingly, the suspect in the Mike Surber called called himself "Jeremiah Cooper." :eek:

JAM
09-12-2018, 01:10 AM
This guy looks like him.

JAM
09-12-2018, 01:16 AM
I app-ed the photo. You can see his face better.

Kickin' Chicken
09-12-2018, 02:36 AM
To me this guy is the closest looking to the suspect that I've seen and yes the nose looks like the same shape so with the Striking similarities definitely worth pursuing however there's two things that don't fit well Imo

This guy looks to be more bald than the suspect picture and also next to his nose the new guy has what looks to be a pronounced permanent bump that the original suspect pictures didn't have

Have to agree with Jam though that it's hard to ignore the J Cooper connection between these guys who look so similar and are both wanted for such serious crimes

As cardigan kid said DNA can hopefully sort this out once they get this guy

Still hoping for justice for Mike

best,

brian kc

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 04:30 AM
If i saw that growth/lump thing on/near his right nostril in the original I'd be fairly certain we had him-Without it, I say less than a 50% chance.


Wait- If Jeff Cooper which they just kinda hang out there is an Alias of this guy-then move those odds to 90%

chevybob20
09-12-2018, 05:49 AM
Remember that the original pictures were taken from a security camera 9 years ago. People change like getting balder and growing moles and cysts.

Good work JAM

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 06:04 AM
Remember that the original pictures were taken from a security camera 9 years ago. People change like getting balder and growing moles and cysts.

Good work JAM

No doubt but the mole would have been a clincher so now we are only guessing and hoping but again if 'Jeff Cooper' was one of the current guy's aliases-Odds are VERY high it is him imo.

eezbank
09-12-2018, 06:07 AM
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JAM
09-12-2018, 06:09 AM
A few photos from FB of this person, who may just look like the alleged suspect, but maybe it will help Gulfport Doc say yea or nay.

Notice the tattos on his lower arm by his wrist. In the photo of the suspect, he has long sleeves covering up the arms.

These photos are public for anybody to see on his FB page. It may not be him, but I hope Gulfport Doc weighs in here quickly, so we can move on.

JAM
09-12-2018, 06:12 AM
Surber was murdered in 2009. This is a photo of the guy taken in 2012.

I don't know now. Does not look similar anymore to me. My posts in this thread may self-destruct after Gulfport Doc weighs in.

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 06:16 AM
The picture by the water looks like N Fla or Georgia. I remember he was supposed to be associated w Georgia
and the picture from 2012 sure looks like the hairline could have been right on target 3 years earlier.
PS-This guy is like Ted Bundy-Looks different in every picture.

jay helfert
09-12-2018, 06:31 AM
[QUOTE=Cardigan Kid;6222941]That's a pretty heavy resemblance from the wanted poster just a few posts above on this page.
If the authorities ever collected any suspect DNA from the murder scene...maybe a cigarette butt, then they should be able to do a cross check when they catch this miscreant.

Very good diligence to whoever is still watching out for Mike's justice.[/QUOTE


They do have DNA in this case and like you I'd like to see this guy's DNA compared to it. He may well be Mike's killer. To me that very well could be the guy a few years later. His hairline has receded a little more but he still prefers the pony tale look and has a similar facial structure. I damn sure hope they catch him and his DNA matches up. VERY important the detective working Mike's case sees these pics!

JAM
09-12-2018, 06:32 AM
I just e-mailed Doc. Hopefully, he will get it soon and look at this thread and the one over at OnePocket.org.

Low500
09-12-2018, 06:46 AM
[QUOTE=Cardigan Kid;6222941]That's a pretty heavy resemblance from the wanted poster just a few posts above on this page.
If the authorities ever collected any suspect DNA from the murder scene...maybe a cigarette butt, then they should be able to do a cross check when they catch this miscreant.
Very good diligence to whoever is still watching out for Mike's justice.[/QUOTE

They do have DNA in this case and like you I'd like to see this guy's DNA compared to it. He may well be Mike's killer. To me that very well could be the guy a few years later. His hairline has receded a little more but he still prefers the pony tale look and has a similar facial structure. I damn sure hope they catch him and his DNA matches up. VERY important the detective working Mike's case sees these pics!
Perhaps the killer is already in prison, doing time for something else?
I know nothing about prison procedures, but it looks like taking DNA samples from anyone, anywhere, who is sentenced to the joint would contribute to a huge computer database. (like fingerprints).
Then comparisons could be made.
I guess that's how all that stuff works...I really don't know.
I'm also sure if some nondescript citizen like myself has thought of that, the LEO people have done likewise.

gulfportdoc
09-12-2018, 06:56 AM
Very nice work by Spliced, JAM, and others here on AZ! There are some similarities, but my honest feeling is that this is not Mike's murderer.

For one thing, the guy is too young. JAM posted a pic on AZ of the current pictured guy, which was take 3 years after the murder, and he's obviously too young. Our perp was at least in his late 40s, maybe older, in 2009. So now he would be at least late 50s.

I don't recall a mole on the guy's face, although I may not have noticed it at the time. Jeremiah Cooper was the name the perp used because he'd stolen Cooper's credit card in Atlanta. If this were our perp, he'd be crazy to use an alias anything like "Cooper". I don't know what crime the current guy did to be labeled a kidnapper. But the original guy was a murderer and thief, so I'm not sure how that jibes.

It would be a big help if we knew the pictured guy's height. The murderer was 5'6"-5'8". And yes, they do have DNA on the guy, plus whatever new info they were able to recently get at Quantico.

Still, this is certainly enough to forward on to the local FBI, who have taken over the case. I'll phone the agent to let him know.

Thanks very much, y'all !!

~Doc

Kickin' Chicken
09-12-2018, 06:56 AM
The Mike Surber family and all of his friends have been waiting too long for the suspect to answer for his bad deeds.

Maybe it's getting close to time for Mike to get his justice.

best,
brian kc

jay helfert
09-12-2018, 06:57 AM
Bottom line is we ALL have to stay active in doing whatever we can to help the police find Mike's killer! The billiard community is a very large network and we should use all our resources to bring Mike some justice! I know I would sleep better at night if Mike's killer got caught and convicted.

Any of you who didn't know Mike, I just want you to know what a great guy he was! One of the nicest and most generous people you would ever meet anywhere and he loved the game of Pool. He was a damn good player but was very modest about his talents and always willing to share his knowledge of the game with a beginner or intermediate level player. Mike was just an all around damn good guy!

I still think about the last time I saw him alive at DCC many years ago. We practiced some One Pocket and had a few laughs. Mike had just finished third in the One Pocket the previous year I believe.

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 07:11 AM
Very nice work by Spliced, JAM, and others here on AZ! There are some similarities, but my honest feeling is that this is not Mike's murderer.

For one thing, the guy is too young. JAM posted a pic on AZ of the current pictured guy, which was take 3 years after the murder, and he's obviously too young. Our perp was at least in his late 40s, maybe older, in 2009. So now he would be at least late 50s.

I don't recall a mole on the guy's face, although I may not have noticed it at the time. Jeremiah Cooper was the name the perp used because he'd stolen Cooper's credit card in Atlanta. If this were our perp, he'd be crazy to use an alias anything like "Cooper". I don't know what crime the current guy did to be labeled a kidnapper. But the original guy was a murderer and thief, so I'm not sure how that jibes.

It would be a big help if we knew the pictured guy's height. The murderer was 5'6"-5'8". And yes, they do have DNA on the guy, plus whatever new info they were able to recently get at Quantico.

Still, this is certainly enough to forward on to the local FBI, who have taken over the case. I'll phone the agent to let him know.

Thanks very much, y'all !!

~Doc

I dont know how much investigation there was into that 2012 date. People on FB post pictures of their younger selves all the time. The difference between the current one posted by him-presumably 2018, and the one from "2012" looks like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than a 6 year difference to me. So like i said.........

Black-Balled
09-12-2018, 09:36 AM
I dont know how much investigation there was into that 2012 date. People on FB post pictures of their younger selves all the time. The difference between the current one posted by him-presumably 2018, and the one from "2012" looks like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than a 6 year difference to me. So like i said.........

I am not sure what you said. Reading the last few pages, seems like you were operating 0-100% margin of error:eek:

Wed all love to see this crime solved, but we shouldnt permit a desire to cause a get-him mentality rooted in hope.

Ron Padilla
09-12-2018, 11:10 AM
I wasn't around when this took place but if the guy hasn't been caught and knows that people will continue to look for him, he could have very well assumed different identity unless he was married. Take Gulfportdoc as an example would anyone take him for a former drummer of the Frank Zapa and the MOI band? Of course finger prints and dna would certainly be a game changer if he was currently locked up all that info is shared and utilized.

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 11:30 AM
I am not sure what you said. Reading the last few pages, seems like you were operating 0-100% margin of error:eek:

Wed all love to see this crime solved, but we shouldnt permit a desire to cause a get-him mentality rooted in hope.

All i said or tried to say is don't dismiss this guy just because he looks too young in a picture we don't even know the date of for sure.

Based on his most current picture, no way does the other one look only 6 years younger. That is why I question the 2012 date.

bradsh98
09-12-2018, 11:40 AM
Surber was murdered in 2009. This is a photo of the guy taken in 2012.

I don't know now. Does not look similar anymore to me. My posts in this thread may self-destruct after Gulfport Doc weighs in.

That photo was actually from 2004

iusedtoberich
09-12-2018, 11:58 AM
Man that photo from the classifieds group sure does look like the suspect from our case. But the pictures that Jam found on his FB don't at all, IMO. And, I know most criminals are dumb as rocks, but would the guy from our case, who has evaded capture for 10 years, be dumb enough to have a FB profile?

And the text on the photo about kidnapping and warrants, reads to me like he took the kid away from the ex wife, and now she is mad. So its more of a domestic issue, than a brutal killer type criminal. This is of course a pure hunch by me! Simply from seeing a picture.

Black-Balled
09-12-2018, 12:03 PM
All i said or tried to say is don't dismiss this guy just because he looks too young in a picture we don't even know the date of for sure.

Based on his most current picture, no way does the other one look only 6 years younger. That is why I question the 2012 date.

You all right by me, ya tin bucket.

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 12:17 PM
That photo was actually from 2004

I knew it was off!

bradsh98
09-12-2018, 02:23 PM
Do not associate the name "Jeff Cooper" with this case. He is simply the person who posted the photo and accusations of kidnapping toward "Christopher Sanderson", on Facebook. There is absolutely no apparent correlation to the previously used alias, "Jeremiah Cooper" or "Jerico Cooper".

Also, it is currently only speculation that the person of interest actually murdered Mr. Surber. Even if this Mr. Sanderson is indeed the person of interest in this case, let's spare further speculation for a trial and conviction.


To those who have remained vigilant in this case, nice work! However, until a suspect has been convicted, we should continue to remain vigilant. Mike's killer is out there somewhere. Mike deserves justice.

Nostroke
09-12-2018, 03:05 PM
Do not associate the name "Jeff Cooper" with this case. He is simply the person who posted the photo and accusations of kidnapping toward "Christopher Sanderson", on Facebook. There is absolutely no apparent correlation to the previously used alias, "Jeremiah Cooper" or "Jerico Cooper".

Also, it is currently only speculation that the person of interest actually murdered Mr. Surber. Even if this Mr. Sanderson is indeed the person of interest in this case, let's spare further speculation for a trial and conviction.


To those who have remained vigilant in this case, nice work! However, until a suspect has been convicted, we should continue to remain vigilant. Mike's killer is out there somewhere. Mike deserves justice.

Thanks for clearing up the Cooper thing-way down the suspect list now.

JAM
09-12-2018, 11:00 PM
Oh, man, thanks for clearing it up about "Jeff Cooper" name.

One thing worthy of mention. The Sanderson fellow's FB profile shows him in a relationship with a young lady.

About a week or two after Mike Surber's murder, a man and woman went to a city near Ocean Springs -- cannot remember the name -- and used the same hustle as well as walking out on a bar tab. I read somewhere in the newspaper articles about this incident that it was believe there may -- I repeat "may" -- be a correlation with the man accused in the Mike Surber murder.

I cannot find this newspaper article now, researching on Google, because I have a job due this morning and must work. If and when I find it, though, I will post it on this page to read.

A lot of time hs gone by, 9 years in fact. Memories fade and people look different. I don't look much different than 9 years ago, but some folks do change a lot -- hair style, weight, hair color, et cetera.

JAM
09-12-2018, 11:16 PM
OMG! At the time of this writing, the person's photo, who I have deleted from this thread, is posting on To Catch a Killer Facebook page about Mike Surber claiming this suspect who murdered Surber is not him.

Now his brother also wants to join that FB page.

What a nightmare!

He said he does not know how his pohto got on a Most Wanter picture about kidnapping too.

He said he's never had blond hair.

OMG, his brother wants to join this FB page. I am not going to be the one to admit him.


For FB members, here's the page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1514573228867676/permalink/2179897225668603/?comment_id=2180487255609600&reply_comment_id=2180493062275686

336Robin
09-13-2018, 04:52 AM
Jennie,

I tried to send you a pm.

Nostroke
09-13-2018, 05:33 AM
OMG! At the time of this writing, the person's photo, who I have deleted from this thread, is posting on To Catch a Killer Facebook page about Mike Surber claiming this suspect who murdered Surber is not him.

Now his brother also wants to join that FB page.

What a nightmare!

He said he does not know how his pohto got on a Most Wanter picture about kidnapping too.

He said he's never had blond hair.

OMG, his brother wants to join this FB page. I am not going to be the one to admit him.


For FB members, here's the page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1514573228867676/permalink/2179897225668603/?comment_id=2180487255609600&reply_comment_id=2180493062275686

Isn't that 'whom i have deleted'?:smile:

JAM
09-13-2018, 07:00 AM
Isn't that 'whom i have deleted'?:smile:

I guess it depends on whether you live north or south of the Mason-Dixon line. :wink::D:grin-square::o

Poolplaya9
10-16-2018, 08:44 PM
I know nothing about prison procedures, but it looks like taking DNA samples from anyone, anywhere, who is sentenced to the joint would contribute to a huge computer database. (like fingerprints). Then comparisons could be made. I guess that's how all that stuff works...I really don't know. I'm also sure if some nondescript citizen like myself has thought of that, the LEO people have done likewise.

There are some states that do that in varying degrees. Surprisingly, the state that is toughest about it is California (the voters passed a proposition) where by law anyone arrested for any felony level crime has their DNA collected and submitted to a national database.
http://www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/tns-california-dna-supreme-court.html

These procedures have led to many crimes being solved that otherwise would have gone unsolved, and the number of cases they are able to solve this way will continue to increase as more and more people enter the system and end up having their DNA collected. I think we should support these types of laws in all states.

Poolplaya9
10-16-2018, 09:01 PM
Very nice work by Spliced, JAM, and others here on AZ! There are some similarities, but my honest feeling is that this is not Mike's murderer.

For one thing, the guy is too young. JAM posted a pic on AZ of the current pictured guy, which was take 3 years after the murder, and he's obviously too young. Our perp was at least in his late 40s, maybe older, in 2009. So now he would be at least late 50s.

I don't recall a mole on the guy's face, although I may not have noticed it at the time. Jeremiah Cooper was the name the perp used because he'd stolen Cooper's credit card in Atlanta. If this were our perp, he'd be crazy to use an alias anything like "Cooper". I don't know what crime the current guy did to be labeled a kidnapper. But the original guy was a murderer and thief, so I'm not sure how that jibes.

It would be a big help if we knew the pictured guy's height. The murderer was 5'6"-5'8". And yes, they do have DNA on the guy, plus whatever new info they were able to recently get at Quantico.

Still, this is certainly enough to forward on to the local FBI, who have taken over the case. I'll phone the agent to let him know.

Thanks very much, y'all !!

~Doc

The suspect description you give here and the one on the FBI website are a good bit different, possibly enough to make somebody who spots the real killer write him off as a suspect and never report him because he doesn't seem to match the (incorrectly reported) suspect's age or height description. I only mention it so that whichever description is error can get corrected to avoid any confusion and give us the best chance of catching the guy.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/michael-surber