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spartan
11-07-2015, 09:06 AM
Some top names playing here- Mika, Shane, Thorsten, Imran Majid

4 free live streams

Shane behind 3-4 (Race to 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJp0M416jZ4


Thorsten 5-3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPdN9nlb_Lc


Mika ahead 5-2 over Malaj
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P57fcXzfAi4

Others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OOpMa1yECY

spartan
11-07-2015, 09:43 AM
Shane just lost again I believe to Ruslan in group match 5-8

Thorsten match abandoned with score Thorsten 5-3 LOL
Maybe score not updated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPdN9nlb_Lc

snucar
11-07-2015, 09:53 AM
Maybe score not updated


Probably that. Thorsten vs Mika coming up next!!!

AtLarge
11-07-2015, 10:56 AM
Immonen beat Hohmann 8-5

AtLarge
11-07-2015, 11:10 AM
Has anyone found brackets or a match-results listing for this event? When will the finals be played?

gordml
11-07-2015, 11:11 AM
Immonen beat Hohmann 8-5

Is that the last match?

terryhanna
11-07-2015, 11:17 AM
Has anyone found brackets or a match-results listing for this event? When will the finals be played?
brackets http://tournamentservice.net/service.php?chart=14321&menu=c7e49a&header

AtLarge
11-07-2015, 11:40 AM
brackets http://tournamentservice.net/service.php?chart=14321&menu=c7e49a&header

Thank you, Terry! So it looks like the finals will be Immonen vs. Chinakhov tomorrow at noon local time, which will be 4 am USA east coast time. ugh.

By the way. I see this bracket spells Chinakhov's name with a khov. In the challenge match with Shane, it was spelled just hov, without the k. I've seen it both ways in lots of places. Is one correct and one incorrect? Is it pronounced as if the k were there even when it is spelled without it? Any Russian experts here?

Sloppy Pockets
11-07-2015, 03:09 PM
Thank you, Terry! So it looks like the finals will be Immonen vs. Chinakhov tomorrow at noon local time, which will be 4 am USA east coast time. ugh.

By the way. I see this bracket spells Chinakhov's name with a khov. In the challenge match with Shane, it was spelled just hov, without the k. I've seen it both ways in lots of places. Is one correct and one incorrect? Is it pronounced as if the k were there even when it is spelled without it? Any Russian experts here?

No expert here, but the Russian guy who interviewed Shane pronounced it as if it had a "k" in it.

AtLarge
11-07-2015, 09:06 PM
No expert here, but the Russian guy who interviewed Shane pronounced it as if it had a "k" in it.

I did a tiny bit of research (which is always dangerous). It appears to me that both kh and h are transliterations of the 23rd letter of the Russian alphabet, which is named kha and is written with an x. And it is pronounced like the ch in Scottish loch.

So now that's clear, right? :)

mjantti
11-08-2015, 04:34 AM
Mika lost the final to Ruslan 9-8. Nailbiter...

Poolmanis
11-08-2015, 04:37 AM
So Chinakhov was a man for weekend!! :cool:

spartan
11-08-2015, 06:33 AM
Congrats, Ruslan

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/39/Russians_are_coming.jpg/225px-Russians_are_coming.jpg

HurdyGurdy
11-08-2015, 07:14 AM
So Chinakhov was a man for weekend!! :cool:

Chinakhov has been playing a man's game since he was a kid. I believe the reason we haven't heard more from him in the last year is that he had to take a hiatus, and do a mandatory stint in the military. I would expect that we'll be really familiar with his name, which is pronounced as if the K were silent (according to a written interview), in tournaments to come. :grin-square:

Sloppy Pockets
11-08-2015, 03:03 PM
I did a tiny bit of research (which is always dangerous). It appears to me that both kh and h are transliterations of the 23rd letter of the Russian alphabet, which is named kha and is written with an x. And it is pronounced like the ch in Scottish loch.

So now that's clear, right? :)

First stats, now linguistics. What other abilities are you going to showcase? You're not trying to make yourself indispensable here, are you? ;)

AtLarge
11-08-2015, 03:52 PM
First stats, now linguistics. What other abilities are you going to showcase? You're not trying to make yourself indispensable here, are you? ;)

:smile: I really shouldn't do this.

Here's his name using the Russian alphabet: Чинахов

Apparently there have been quite a few systems for converting the Russian alphabet to the Latin alphabet. The latest system used in their passports would be:

Ч = Ch
и =i
н = n
а = a
х = kh
о = o
в = v

But x has been converted as just h in some earlier systems.

Ok, this is probably wrong in a bunch of ways. I think I'll stop.

[I wonder which conversion he prefers -- kh or h?]

Cardigan Kid
11-08-2015, 04:57 PM
:smile: I really shouldn't do this.

Here's his name using the Russian alphabet: Чинахов

Apparently there have been quite a few systems for converting the Russian alphabet to the Latin alphabet. The latest system used in their passports would be:

Ч = Ch
и =i
н = n
а = a
х = kh
о = o
в = v

But x has been converted as just h in some earlier systems.

Ok, this is probably wrong in a bunch of ways. I think I'll stop.

[I wonder which conversion he prefers -- kh or h?]

AtLarge, you are actually quite closer to correct than you think.

The "kh" sound of the letter "x" is unlike anything we have in the English language. the closest we can come to it is "kh" but it's not a hard "k" sound, yet it's not as soft as the "h" sound. The closest thing I can describe it is like a clearing of your throat sound.

My wife speaks both Ukrainian and Russian fluently and she always gets a kick out of my "American accent" when I speak the language. That's a big tell, the "kh" sound. Needless to say, I would have been a terrible spy in the cold war days - they would have pegged me as an American as soon as I ordered a cup of coffee. :grin:

On a side note: In Russian, there isn't a "h" sound as in Henry. In Ukrainian, there is the letter "Г " which is the "h" sound, but in Russian that is pronounced as a hard "g" sound as in "golf".

So for Ruslan, his pronunciation would be with the "kh" sound as you called it correctly for their letter "x". But when translated into English, "chinakhov" would be the closest to correct because it would tend to have the "k" softened by the English reader/speaker

Poolmanis
11-09-2015, 02:02 AM
Here is the Final Immonen-Chinakhov.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CYdUvC5e4Wo

Ps. I'm really pleased to see Mika focused to game. I see he's been doing some work with his game lately. I expect him to get results soon!

AtLarge
11-09-2015, 05:40 PM
Here is the Final Immonen-Chinakhov.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CYdUvC5e4Wo

Ps. I'm really pleased to see Mika focused to game. I see he's been doing some work with his game lately. I expect him to get results soon!

Mika won the Dynamite event in Romania a couple months ago. He beat Chinakhov in the finals!

victorl
11-09-2015, 11:03 PM
Chinakhov looks like one to watch out for in the future.
Would he be eligible to play in a Mosconi Cup? Does Russia even count as Europe?

spartan
11-10-2015, 10:51 AM
Chinakhov looks like one to watch out for in the future.
Would he be eligible to play in a Mosconi Cup? Does Russia even count as Europe?

Stepanov played Mosconi Cup before

spartan
11-05-2016, 11:37 AM
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AtLarge
11-06-2016, 10:28 AM
Looks like the 2016 version starts this week (Tues. or Wed.?) in Moscow. I heard Corey Deuel (on a stream for another event) say he would be playing in it. I don't know about anyone else from the USA.

spartan
11-06-2016, 11:35 AM
Looks like the 2016 version starts this week (Tues. or Wed.?) in Moscow. I heard Corey Deuel (on a stream for another event) say he would be playing in it. I don't know about anyone else from the USA.

It does attract lots of top Euros and Shane was there last year. Was full 128 field last year. It could be a stop over for some who want to play the All Japan the following week.

Poolmanis
11-06-2016, 12:31 PM
Looks like the 2016 version starts this week (Tues. or Wed.?) in Moscow. I heard Corey Deuel (on a stream for another event) say he would be playing in it. I don't know about anyone else from the USA.

It start 8th day with pyramid. 10ball should start 9th day. My buddy who i teach pool now go there and he is playing both events(he is two times Finland Pyramid Champ 19 years old..).

Joe_Jaguar
11-06-2016, 03:39 PM
Looks like the 2016 version starts this week (Tues. or Wed.?) in Moscow. I heard Corey Deuel (on a stream for another event) say he would be playing in it. I don't know about anyone else from the USA.

On Facebook after the Kuwait event SVB posted:
"Time to put my cues at rest and get back in the gym. next event is accustats invitational in jersey and mosconi in London."

So guess he isn't going to Moscow.

pt109
11-06-2016, 06:02 PM
Chinakhov looks like one to watch out for in the future.
Would he be eligible to play in a Mosconi Cup? Does Russia even count as Europe?

Pretty sure that anything west of the Urals is European Russia.