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shanesinnott
07-08-2016, 05:11 PM
OB Cues will be exhibiting at the 2016 BCA Billiard & Home Leisure Expo in Schaumburg, IL next week from July 13th to July 15th. If you are attending, please stop by the OB Cues booth #607.

We have a VERY cool new product that we will be unveiling at the show. For more information on the event please visit http://www.bcasummit.com/

Please note that this event is not open to the public. It is our annual industry trade show.

RiverCity
07-08-2016, 05:28 PM
OB Cues will be exhibiting at the 2016 BCA Billiard & Home Leisure Expo in Schaumburg, IL next week from July 13th to July 15th. If you are attending, please stop by the OB Cues booth #607.

We have a VERY cool new product that we will be unveiling at the show. For more information on the event please visit http://www.bcasummit.com/

Please note that this event is not open to the public. It is our annual industry trade show.

Is it bigger than a breadbox? :grin:

shanesinnott
07-08-2016, 05:30 PM
Is it bigger than a breadbox? :grin:

No sir. A little smaller.

toga.roche
07-08-2016, 06:59 PM
No sir. A little smaller.
Is it an OB chalk holder to hold your OB chalk in????

cuesblues
07-08-2016, 07:22 PM
Show us what it is...just for AZerz
We won't tell anyone, I promise.
If I do you can revoke my account.

Is it a new line of cues?
I really liked that 4-point OB-160 Spectre, very nice cue

Cornerman
07-08-2016, 07:32 PM
OB Cues will be exhibiting at the 2016 BCA Billiard & Home Leisure Expo in Schaumburg, IL next week from July 13th to July 15th. If you are attending, please stop by the OB Cues booth #607.

We have a VERY cool new product that we will be unveiling at the show. For more information on the event please visit http://www.bcasummit.com/

Please note that this event is not open to the public. It is our annual industry trade show.

I can't wait.

slide13
07-08-2016, 07:41 PM
too bad it's not open to the public, would like to check it out!

Sundappen
07-08-2016, 07:46 PM
It's probably the revOBlution shaft 💥💡

StraightPoolIU
07-08-2016, 09:44 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160709/d85461e4e99445a6bf0f65cf44a1f74a.jpg

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shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 07:06 AM
Is it an OB chalk holder to hold your OB chalk in????

No, not a chalk holder.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 07:07 AM
Show us what it is...just for AZerz
We won't tell anyone, I promise.
If I do you can revoke my account.

Is it a new line of cues?
I really liked that 4-point OB-160 Spectre, very nice cue

We will have some new cues there but the 'new product' is not a cue.

claymont
07-09-2016, 07:23 AM
A glove?



















































































........

JoseV
07-09-2016, 07:27 AM
I bet its a set of Balls.

LHP5
07-09-2016, 07:51 AM
Why would you tell us there's a new product to be showcased at the event, but then not tell us here and inform us that the event is not public as well? Don't really mean this in a negative way but this is an interesting approach to advertising.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:00 AM
Not a glove. This new product is a first for the Billiard Industry.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:01 AM
I bet its a set of Balls.

Not a set of balls.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:07 AM
Why would you tell us there's a new product to be showcased at the event, but then not tell us here and inform us that the event is not public as well? Don't really mean this in a negative way but this is an interesting approach to advertising.

Fair comment. Please note that there are many members on this forum that work in the industry that will be attending the BCA Expo. AZ is one of the ways that we can reach out to them quickly and easily. I mentioned that it was not open to the public so that anyone that doesn't work in the industry doesn't try to attend the event and then be disappointed that they are not allowed in.

We will be letting everyone on AZ know what the product is next week. Just wanted to create a little buzz for this product as we have been working on it for 14 months now to get it ready for market.

couldnthinkof01
07-09-2016, 09:20 AM
Its a new tip

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:25 AM
Its a new tip

Not a new tip.

GoldCrown
07-09-2016, 09:29 AM
I take one what ever it is.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:49 AM
I take one what ever it is.

Sold :)

FYI, the MSRP of this product is $99.99 and it is Made in the USA.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:56 AM
Compostable rack template?

Not a rack template.

Hits 'em Hard
07-09-2016, 09:56 AM
Sold :)

FYI, the MSRP of this product is $99.99 and it is Made in the USA.

Sounds like a pair of shoes.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 09:56 AM
Sounds like a pair of shoes.

Not a pair of shoes.

Hits 'em Hard
07-09-2016, 09:58 AM
Is it made with all 100% American made components? Or just assembled in America from pre bought components?

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 10:04 AM
Is it made with all 100% American made components? Or just assembled in America from pre bought components?

Good question. Our cues are Made in the USA but some components of our cues are sourced from other countries (like Cocobolo from Central America etc.).

The new product is Made in the USA but some components are sourced from other countries.

couldnthinkof01
07-09-2016, 10:09 AM
House cue?

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 10:12 AM
House cue?

Not a house cue.

JoseV
07-09-2016, 10:15 AM
Some kind of stroke trainer ?

bbb
07-09-2016, 10:28 AM
a cue extender???
a bridge??

Hits 'em Hard
07-09-2016, 10:29 AM
Good question. Our cues are Made in the USA but some components of our cues are sourced from other countries (like Cocobolo from Central America etc.).

The new product is Made in the USA but some components are sourced from other countries.

Since this is being unveiled at the BCA Trade Show, I assume there is some sort of market for an establishment to own this product? Or is purely a private sale oriented product? I'd assume with the listed price your intent is for people to buy this product not establishments. At this point with you also saying this is a first for billiards, I would also assume some other sports already employ some sort of device similar to this.

My bet is on a Bluetooth enable stroke trainer that is a wearable device that connects to an app on a smart device.

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 10:30 AM
Some kind of stroke trainer ?

That is a very good guess.

Celophanewrap
07-09-2016, 10:34 AM
Battery operated bullshit deflector?
We could really use one of those

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 10:36 AM
Since this is being unveiled at the BCA Trade Show, I assume there is some sort of market for an establishment to own this product? Or is purely a private sale oriented product? I'd assume with the listed price your intent is for people to buy this product not establishments. At this point with you also saying this is a first for billiards, I would also assume some other sports already employ some sort of device similar to this.

My bet is on a Bluetooth enable stroke trainer that is a wearable device that connects to an app on a smart device.

Not quite what you described but you are in the correct neighborhood.

It is a product that has been created to improve the consistency and accuracy of every pool, snooker and carom player irrespective of their level of skill from novice all the way up to top professional players.

bbb
07-09-2016, 10:51 AM
a low density taser connected to a laser
when your stroke goes off straight you get zapped
that will teach you straight stroke...:eek:...:D

claymont
07-09-2016, 11:03 AM
Something along the lines of the QMD Stroke Diagnostic Tool?

http://www.cue-md.com/

shanesinnott
07-09-2016, 11:05 AM
Something along the lines of the QMD Stroke Diagnostic Tool?

http://www.cue-md.com/

I tried clicking the link you shared and got the following warning:

The page is blocked by Bitdefender Endpoint Security Tools Cloud (Malware).

DrCue'sProtege
07-09-2016, 11:22 AM
It is a product that has been created to improve the consistency and accuracy of every pool, snooker and carom player irrespective of their level of skill from novice all the way up to top professional players.

Oh, well then, it must be a video of me playing and my picture perfect fluid flowing stroke. I don't recall anybody videoing me lately.

r/Mike

RiverCity
07-09-2016, 11:31 AM
Battery operated bullshit deflector?
We could really use one of those

If they come in blue, Ill take two.......... :grin:

Bob 14:1
07-09-2016, 08:01 PM
Sorry, the blue has been very popular and is currently on backorder...

Here ya' go...

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/733/911/2d6.jpg

https://media1.giphy.com/media/14646FJszSkjZe/200.gif

The Renfro
07-09-2016, 08:09 PM
Glad to hear it's releasing at the Summit Shane.... I know you guys have been working hard on this and Royce was really fired up about it... Looking forward to seeing it finally coming together especially in light of everything you have been going thru....

claymont
07-09-2016, 08:18 PM
I tried clicking the link you shared and got the following warning:

The page is blocked by Bitdefender Endpoint Security Tools Cloud (Malware).


I think you're getting a false positive

https://www.virustotal.com/en/url/3a5e1a58502aa20417ea10ff9f9b876b2bb6b34f414655a327 a4c548a3d00408/analysis/1468120587/

tonythetiger583
07-09-2016, 08:59 PM
Is it a ball polisher?

Or a ball placer?

Ak Guy
07-10-2016, 01:28 AM
I hope it is a really good Churchill sized cigar at a super good price.

We have great tables, cloth, cues, tips, etc

But, there is always room for a good cigar and my game gets better as soon as I light one up!

GoldCrown
07-10-2016, 04:31 AM
Sold :)

FYI, the MSRP of this product is $99.99 and it is Made in the USA.

It's an Earl Scheib or Maaco paint job

shanesinnott
07-10-2016, 08:01 AM
It's a training aid.

GoldCrown
07-10-2016, 08:17 AM
It's a training aid.

Training wheels for cue?

KissedOut
07-10-2016, 10:08 PM
a low density taser connected to a laser
when your stroke goes off straight you get zapped
that will teach you straight stroke...:eek:...:D

I doubt that this is their new product.

But I want one.

I kind of quit smoking this way back in the old days (anyone else quit smoking through the Schick program that was around in the 80s?)

Mustardeer
07-10-2016, 11:40 PM
A small magic rack type of thingie you place one under the cb one under the object ball, miss the shot then place the balls back and try again. Instead of marking the felt with a wet/chalked finger.

Am I right what did I win

wendyb
07-11-2016, 01:41 AM
ohhh I want to see how that works!

victorl
07-11-2016, 01:53 AM
It's fabric headwear that wraps around your head and chin with a loop under the chin where the cue slides through to keep it centered to your head at all times. And it also doubles as a jihab!

(I'm just wondering how you fixed the problem of trying to walk around with a cue attached to your chin, but I'm sure your engineers have already solved that problem.)

bdorman
07-11-2016, 07:53 AM
Not a glove. This new product is a first for the Billiard Industry.

You're going to show Money?

Sweet!

alphadog
07-11-2016, 12:22 PM
Maybe ball trays for a Diamond table?
There is a market:wink:

Bavafongoul
07-13-2016, 07:57 PM
[QUOTE=shanesinnott;5603262]Fair comment. Please note that there are many members on this forum that work in the industry that will be attending the BCA Expo.



The highlighted portion sure sounds like it's just a spin statement.....there are a hell of lot more Azers that aren't either......and as far as people showing up not knowing it's a closed event.,
well, another spin effort....it's little early for Secret Santa shenanigans so whatever it is, come back in a few weeks and let us know how well it was received at its unveiling.

smashmouth
07-14-2016, 03:37 AM
uhhh, how bout you join the rest of the free world first and make a proper extension for your cues

Daryle
07-14-2016, 03:42 AM
A big do about nothing IMHO... I suggest that OB spends it R&D money on something innovative. I'm a OB cue owner for the record.

arps
07-14-2016, 05:04 PM
Not a glove. This new product is a first for the Billiard Industry.

arm weights! like those ones earl use. :D

shanesinnott
07-15-2016, 05:56 PM
A big do about nothing IMHO... I suggest that OB spends it R&D money on something innovative. I'm a OB cue owner for the record.

Daryle,

Thank you for being and OB cue owner.

We spent the last 14 months getting this product ready for market. We believe we have created a training aid that will help all players in all cue sports irrespective of their ability. You can find out more information about the DigiCue here: https://www.obcues.com/products/DIGICUE-Training-Aid.html

Catahula
07-15-2016, 06:44 PM
Why does it state that the "Digicue" can be used in competition? Surely not. Same reason you couldn't attach a gyroscope to a putter.

Allen Brown
07-15-2016, 06:53 PM
Does the Digi pick up on vibrations from all cues and different types of constructions? What about the softest hits? It's a very very interesting product.

nataddrho
07-15-2016, 08:50 PM
Why does it state that the "Digicue" can be used in competition? Surely not. Same reason you couldn't attach a gyroscope to a putter.

The DigiCue can be used in competition in the sense that since it attaches to the butt and weighs no more than 0.8 oz, it is physically out of your way / line of sight. You might forget it is even there if you are playing well. But as soon as you lose focus and start dogging some shots it'll vibrate if the reason you dogged those shots was due to a stroke problem. The idea is that it is discrete enough that it is effective even during matches.

iusedtoberich
07-15-2016, 08:58 PM
Nice looking product. I own the QMD, linked earlier in this thread, (which OB should seriously look at, especially if they are claiming they are the first in this space). From the product description, this seems very similar.

How about some technical information as to how the product works? What does it measure? How does it measure it?

Thank you.

nataddrho
07-15-2016, 09:05 PM
Does the Digi pick up on vibrations from all cues and different types of constructions? What about the softest hits? It's a very very interesting product.

The DigiCue digitally filters out the harmonic modes so that different types of cue constructions and models don't disrupt the measurement algorithm. There is also an anti-triggering algorithm which lets the DigiCue know the difference between hitting a cue ball, and from chalking or moving the balls around with the cue stick.

AtLarge
07-15-2016, 09:59 PM
The website product description says "Comes with two sizes to fit the vast majority of Pool, Snooker, and Carom cues." But I don't see any further mention of the two sizes, not even when you click "Add to Cart."

nataddrho
07-15-2016, 10:13 PM
The website product description says "Comes with two sizes to fit the vast majority of Pool, Snooker, and Carom cues." But I don't see any further mention of the two sizes, not even when you click "Add to Cart."

The inner diameter of the two sizes are 1.1" and 1.22" (inches). They are made of high grade silicone rubber which can stretch quite a bit (easily up to 1.34", the largest butt I've heard of).

Both sizes come in the box.

AtLarge
07-15-2016, 10:17 PM
The inner diameter of the two sizes are 1.1" and 1.22" (inches). They are made of high grade silicone rubber which can stretch quite a bit (easily up to 1.34", the largest butt I've heard of).

Both sizes come in the box.

So you actually get both sizes for the $100? Can we buy just one for $50?:)

Edit -- will the larger size work on smaller cues by first wrapping a layer or two of paper around the butt?

BRussell
07-15-2016, 10:22 PM
Here's a picture that includes what comes in the box.

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13690757_1248091205202481_5461502237865822363_n.jp g?oh=20cb96ca1d0d401d47720049c4244cc5&oe=57F014CA

nataddrho
07-15-2016, 10:36 PM
How about some technical information as to how the product works? What does it measure? How does it measure it?

Thank you.

A good portion the processing goes into detecting the stillness of your follow through.

The Renfro
07-15-2016, 10:42 PM
Nice looking product. I own the QMD, linked earlier in this thread, (which OB should seriously look at, especially if they are claiming they are the first in this space). From the product description, this seems very similar.

How about some technical information as to how the product works? What does it measure? How does it measure it?

Thank you.

First in the space are these guys.... They are working on a cuesports interface and attachment but it's not high priority from our last talks.....

http://www.zepp.com/en-us/

I contacted them over 2 years ago and they were aware of the utility and had plans for later roll outs....

shanesinnott
07-16-2016, 01:03 AM
Why does it state that the "Digicue" can be used in competition? Surely not. Same reason you couldn't attach a gyroscope to a putter.

The DIGICUE does not have a gyroscope. Nothing inside the DIGICUE will make the cue go straight. It just lets you know when it doesn't. It is still up to the player to keep their body movement still and follow through, our device just alerts you when you make a fundamental mistake and conditions you to have better mechanics in all cue sport games. As of right now there is not any rule that I am aware of that prevents you from using this in competition. If that changes that's ok. You will still use it when you practice/train.

shanesinnott
07-16-2016, 01:07 AM
Nice looking product. I own the QMD, linked earlier in this thread, (which OB should seriously look at, especially if they are claiming they are the first in this space). From the product description, this seems very similar.

How about some technical information as to how the product works? What does it measure? How does it measure it?

Thank you.

You have a great product. One of the key differences is the DIGICUE only starts recording data after the cueball is struck. It does not care what happens prior to contact, only at the moment that you hit a ball and for the next 3/4 of a second after that.

slach
07-16-2016, 05:50 AM
You have a great product. One of the key differences is the DIGICUE only starts recording data after the cueball is struck. It does not care what happens prior to contact, only at the moment that you hit a ball and for the next 3/4 of a second after that.

Would you agree that what the cue is doing BEFORE it hits the ball is more important than what it does afterwards? In other words, does the stroke or the follow through have more effects on where the ball goes?

miragez
07-16-2016, 06:04 AM
is it a high pressure spring action cue that does all of the stroking for you?!


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Fastrs
07-16-2016, 07:39 AM
I'd like to see a video of this being used. Probably understand what and how it works better.

PETROBOY
07-16-2016, 07:49 AM
Does this come with 2 devices in the box? Can you buy only one? Do you have to turn it on every 5 minutes if you don't hit a ball? That seems like a hassle and people will forget when using it in competition.


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Mikey Town
07-16-2016, 07:55 AM
Would you agree that what the cue is doing BEFORE it hits the ball is more important than what it does afterwards? In other words, does the stroke or the follow through have more effects on where the ball goes?

I imagine that the strike and follow through are a product of the stroke.

You won't be able to get a flawed stroke to produce a perfect strike and follow through, so I can see what they are doing... Based on the follow through, you can get a good picture of what the stroke is doing before cue ball contact.

KissedOut
07-16-2016, 07:57 AM
Why does it state that the "Digicue" can be used in competition? Surely not. Same reason you couldn't attach a gyroscope to a putter.

Where in pool are there even such universal rules that the claim can be made?

In golf there are 2 cooperating governing bodies (USGA and the R&A) who would prohibit the gyroscope putter and that would hold across the golf world. Pool has no such body that could either endorse or prohibit this device for competition, so any claim as to "legal for competition: is kind of specious, IMO.

nataddrho
07-16-2016, 08:44 AM
Does this come with 2 devices in the box?

DigiCue is sold with one electronic device and two different-sized rubber bumpers per box. So three items per box. The electronic device is placed into the rubber bumper that best fits your cue. And of course, it is removable for changing the battery. The battery lasts a very long time.

Do you have to turn it on every 5 minutes if you don't hit a ball? That seems like a hassle and people will forget when using it in competition.

The device will turn off five minutes after the last time you hit a ball. If you end up sitting in your chair for more than 5 minutes, then you will need to press the power button (the little circle in my avatar picture) once to turn it back on before you shoot.

nataddrho
07-16-2016, 08:57 AM
Would you agree that what the cue is doing BEFORE it hits the ball is more important than what it does afterwards? In other words, does the stroke or the follow through have more effects on where the ball goes?

I agree that what happens before the tip hits the cue ball has more affect on where the cue ball goes, but the most useful measurements of the stroke are actually extracted from the data taken AFTER impact. For example, DigiCue will catch players who have the habit of standing up or lifting up slightly during their shot. This extraneous motion manifests itself in small inconsistencies in the final tip contact point on the cue ball at the time of impact. Players who swear that they are only standing up after their shot will be surprised to learn that they are starting that body motion before impact, whether they believe it or not. DigiCue will put that argument to rest.

nataddrho
07-16-2016, 08:59 AM
i imagine that the strike and follow through are a product of the stroke.

You won't be able to get a flawed stroke to produce a perfect strike and follow through, so i can see what they are doing... Based on the follow through, you can get a good picture of what the stroke is doing before cue ball contact.

Yes, this is exactly correct.

Catahula
07-16-2016, 10:22 AM
The DIGICUE does not have a gyroscope. Nothing inside the DIGICUE will make the cue go straight. It just lets you know when it doesn't. It is still up to the player to keep their body movement still and follow through, our device just alerts you when you make a fundamental mistake and conditions you to have better mechanics in all cue sport games. As of right now there is not any rule that I am aware of that prevents you from using this in competition. If that changes that's ok. You will still use it when you practice/train.

Of course your product does not contain a "gyroscope". I used "gyroscope" as an analogy. My point is that, in theory, there should be nothing touching a cue during a stroke other than the person involved in the stroke. It has been pointed out by other posters that their is no governing body in pool and therefore no rule exists. So I guess we should not be surprised when someone shows up at Derby City with cue outfitted with lasers and a telescopic sight. Might as well include some curb feelers as well...lol. I think this could be a great practice device. I just don't think it should be allowed in competition situations. Just saying.:smile:
Tommy

cleary
07-16-2016, 10:32 AM
Nice looking product. I own the QMD, linked earlier in this thread, (which OB should seriously look at, especially if they are claiming they are the first in this space). From the product description, this seems very similar.

How about some technical information as to how the product works? What does it measure? How does it measure it?

Thank you.

This seems like a huge step up from QMD. First of all, the QMD is huge and in the way. It's visually distracting. Secondly, I bought a QMD when it first came out and never got to use it as it didn't work with my iPhone and I didn't see that on their site. Why it wouldn't work with the most popular phone is beyond me.

This OB product is very interesting.

iusedtoberich
07-16-2016, 03:04 PM
This seems like a huge step up from QMD. First of all, the QMD is huge and in the way. It's visually distracting. Secondly, I bought a QMD when it first came out and never got to use it as it didn't work with my iPhone and I didn't see that on their site. Why it wouldn't work with the most popular phone is beyond me.

This OB product is very interesting.

I have the QMD and I think it was a great idea, but too hard to use. Its been sitting on my shelf since a week after I bought it, and I have never touched it since.

I think the key to this type of product, is ease of use. If its not dirt simple to use, it just becomes a paperweight. We will have to wait and see, once these are available:)

pocket
07-16-2016, 03:52 PM
Pre ordered my digi cue. Now the wait begins.

w0409@aol.com
07-16-2016, 05:38 PM
+ One for preorder!

Hope it is helpful. Trust OB has another winning product!

I need all the help I can get.

Chuck in TN

WoodyMPW
07-21-2016, 06:51 AM
Well here it is. (https://www.obcues.com/products/DIGICUE-Training-Aid.html)

BRussell
07-21-2016, 08:04 AM
+ One for preorder!

Hope it is helpful. Trust OB has another winning product!

I need all the help I can get.

Chuck in TN

Pre ordered my digi cue. Now the wait begins.
When you pre-order, you don't pay yet, do you? You'll pay when it ships, I assume.

BRussell
07-21-2016, 08:09 AM
Yes, this is exactly correct.

nataddrho, is there any mechanism for software updates for this? I know it's not connected, so it may not be possible, but I'm thinking once it gets out and lots of people start using it, there could be things you learn that could lead to tweaks to the software.

Hits 'em Hard
07-21-2016, 08:30 AM
nataddrho, is there any mechanism for software updates for this? I know it's not connected, so it may not be possible, but I'm thinking once it gets out and lots of people start using it, there could be things you learn that could lead to tweaks to the software.

Based on my experience with other products similar too this, the only possibly adjust is in the hardware itself. I believe the tech used is an electronic gyroscope(which can be as small as a grain of rice) and an accelerometer. Combine both into a chip that'll toggle the vibration when the gyro notices off line movement coupled with the accelerometer's to initiate it. Because the hardware is set to the same directional plane as the cue movement there doesn't need to be any software at all. Sideways or decceleration would be able to be detected seperately from linear movement of the cue.

pocket
07-21-2016, 12:30 PM
When you pre-order, you don't pay yet, do you? You'll pay when it ships, I assume.

Well, interesting that you should ask. I used my paypal, perhaps that is why, but the money was taken from my account when I placed the pre order.

Which I'm fine with in this case, but you asked.

Lets hope it doesn't turn out to be vaporware!

nataddrho
07-21-2016, 01:35 PM
nataddrho, is there any mechanism for software updates for this? I know it's not connected, so it may not be possible, but I'm thinking once it gets out and lots of people start using it, there could be things you learn that could lead to tweaks to the software.

Yes, there is a bed-of-nails style programming port, so updates are possible. The chips come pre-loaded with the most recent version of software. The firmware is code-protected and proprietary however, so I would imagine that if we were to do firmware updates in the future, you'd ship it in to OB. This was a good question to ask.

nataddrho
07-21-2016, 02:00 PM
Based on my experience with other products similar too this, the only possibly adjust is in the hardware itself. I believe the tech used is an electronic gyroscope(which can be as small as a grain of rice) and an accelerometer. Combine both into a chip that'll toggle the vibration when the gyro notices off line movement coupled with the accelerometer's to initiate it. Because the hardware is set to the same directional plane as the cue movement there doesn't need to be any software at all. Sideways or decceleration would be able to be detected seperately from linear movement of the cue.

There is no gyroscope or magnetometer in the DigiCue, only an accelerometer. The reason being:
1) For small angles the sin function is approximately linear. You get less noisy and wider bandwidth signals out of small dynamic changes in angle using an accelerometer mounted far away from the pivot point (bridge hand) than you do by using a gyro directly. If the DigiCue were mounted close to the bridge hand, you can't use that distance as a multiplier.
2) Gyro's are power hungry, requiring several milliamps to run. Accelerometers are on the order of nanoamps.
3) Magnetometers (digital compasses) could give you direct angular position in relation to space, but buildings are notorious for distorting the geomagnetic field and modulating the magnitude, requiring a calibration map for every point over the pool table, for every table you play on. They are also slow and power hungry.

The data from the accelerometer is digitally filtered and input into an algorithm with set parameters.

banditgrrr
07-21-2016, 02:11 PM
Are these only available for pre-order or are we able to purchase at the Rio?

shanesinnott
07-25-2016, 01:04 PM
Are these only available for pre-order or are we able to purchase at the Rio?

Only pre-order right now but you can try it out at the Rio.

FYI, we just added a DigiCue FAQ list to our website: https://www.obcues.com/pages/DIGICUE-Billiard-Training-Aid-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html

Hits 'em Hard
07-25-2016, 01:41 PM
There is no gyroscope or magnetometer in the DigiCue, only an accelerometer. The reason being:
1) For small angles the sin function is approximately linear. You get less noisy and wider bandwidth signals out of small dynamic changes in angle using an accelerometer mounted far away from the pivot point (bridge hand) than you do by using a gyro directly. If the DigiCue were mounted close to the bridge hand, you can't use that distance as a multiplier.
2) Gyro's are power hungry, requiring several milliamps to run. Accelerometers are on the order of nanoamps.
3) Magnetometers (digital compasses) could give you direct angular position in relation to space, but buildings are notorious for distorting the geomagnetic field and modulating the magnitude, requiring a calibration map for every point over the pool table, for every table you play on. They are also slow and power hungry.

The data from the accelerometer is digitally filtered and input into an algorithm with set parameters.

Meant to ask this the other day, but how many accelerometer's are used? I'm curious as to how a single accelerometer can track and interpret enough changes in cue motion to work.

shanesinnott
07-25-2016, 02:10 PM
Meant to ask this the other day, but how many accelerometer's are used? I'm curious as to how a single accelerometer can track and interpret enough changes in cue motion to work.

The DigiCue contains 3 accelerometers, one for each axis.

Hits 'em Hard
07-25-2016, 02:16 PM
The DigiCue contains 3 accelerometers, one for each axis.

So basically the DigiCue is going to provide instant feedback at the moment your stroke gains a variance? Man SVB would go crazy using this thing.

nataddrho
07-25-2016, 02:36 PM
So basically the DigiCue is going to provide instant feedback at the moment your stroke gains a variance? Man SVB would go crazy using this thing.



I'm thinking SVB is really going to like it. I'd like to have him try it.

7forlife
07-25-2016, 03:38 PM
Don't quite understand the Shane relation but here we go.

(1) This device goes on the but of the cue so will i have to remove my bumper?

(2) Since there is no other device that attaches to this one and i'm not able to "set" anything on it then how do i know what the vibrations you mentioned are for?

(3) Am I expected to recall the shots and times where the device was activated when i hit some balls? As far as practice goes fine cause i'll be hitting the same shot for a while but what about when i decide to now play a rack to see how i'm doing?

(4) At those times when say an unorthodox movement is required do i then ignore the vibration?

(5) I know you said the battery last a "long time" but that's not an actual time, if the device is off then sure the battery will last a while so i'm guessing that you are saying feel free to forget it in your case for a few weeks with no worry, but what about while it's on can i get a full weekend of tournament play out of this (since it was mentioned that it's use may be possible)

(6) At that time that i stop feeling the vibration do i assume that i have now mastered that stroke or will i know when the battery is dead?

nataddrho
07-25-2016, 08:47 PM
Don't quite understand the Shane relation but here we go.

(1) This device goes on the but of the cue so will i have to remove my bumper?
No. The rubber housing fits over the entire butt of the cue with an insertion length of 1.65".

(2) Since there is no other device that attaches to this one and i'm not able to "set" anything on it then how do i know what the vibrations you mentioned are for?
The DigiCue will vibrate if you do not maintain a perfectly still and straight follow through within 3/4 second after striking the cue ball. It will vibrate as soon as motion is detected, so it will give a clue to when you are unintentionally moving. Also, you can set the DigiCue to three sensitivity modes.

(3) Am I expected to recall the shots and times where the device was activated when i hit some balls? As far as practice goes fine cause i'll be hitting the same shot for a while but what about when i decide to now play a rack to see how i'm doing?
DigiCue does not record any previous shots... it only reacts to the current shot. You will either feel a vibration, alerting you of a stroke flaw, or you won't. It is a simple binary conditioning loop. You will be able to use the DigiCue during regular play, as well as matches.

(4) At those times when say an unorthodox movement is required do i then ignore the vibration?
Yes. If you need to move the cue out of the way due to a draw stroke, for example, then the DigiCue will see that as a stroke flaw and vibrate. This is OK however, because you are aware of what you are doing and can simply ignore that instance.

(5) I know you said the battery last a "long time" but that's not an actual time, if the device is off then sure the battery will last a while so i'm guessing that you are saying feel free to forget it in your case for a few weeks with no worry, but what about while it's on can i get a full weekend of tournament play out of this (since it was mentioned that it's use may be possible)
The battery will last for 40,000 shots while turned on. The device will turn off automatically five minutes after your last shot. After 5 minutes, simply press the button once to turn it back on.
When off, the DigiCue draws less than 800nA. It will take 31 years to fully deplete a 220mAh lithium ion coin cell battery (CR2032) while in off mode, three times longer than the advertised shelf life of the battery itself.

(6) At that time that i stop feeling the vibration do i assume that i have now mastered that stroke or will i know when the battery is dead?
You will most likely have mastered that stroke by the time you reach 40,000 shots. Either way, at any time you can press the power button to reset the device and verify that it is on. It will vibrate a number of times, the number corresponding to the mode that it is currently in.


Please see the new FAQ for answers to more questions: https://www.obcues.com/pages/DIGICUE-Billiard-Training-Aid-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html

SpringsF6B
07-25-2016, 08:53 PM
I know! I Know! If it's a first for the industry it has to be a way to actually make me play a good game of pool...

nataddrho
07-25-2016, 08:54 PM
Meant to ask this the other day, but how many accelerometer's are used? I'm curious as to how a single accelerometer can track and interpret enough changes in cue motion to work.

Because the accelerometers are mounted far from the bridge hand (butt of the cue), and the angles are small, we can approximate them to be linear. Then it is just a matter of band-limiting the bias and dynamic parts of the signal and doing some filtering and bit-shifting.

JohnnyP
07-30-2016, 11:42 AM
Nathan:

Props to you. Very nice. :)

Link to a short clip I made, showing the StrokeMaster and the Stroke-Alert.

Doug Carter's Stroke-Trainer gave me the inspiration for StrokeMaster.

During the concept and design stage I dreamed that C players could get table length draw using this. Nope nope nope. And, my wife got sick of hearing me say StrooookeMaaaaaster all day.

It's really hard to use if you are trying to hit balls with it. Not bad if you are trying to develop a piston stroke on an ironing board or kitchen table.

I have attached a drawing of the bearing ring. I had a local machine shop make the custom bearings, known as "ball transfer units".

The Stroke-Alert sounds like a cow. And it wasn't helpful in diagnosing my stroke. :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZklTYDKXg&feature=youtu.be

AtLarge
07-30-2016, 04:28 PM
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZklTYDKXg&feature=youtu.be

says private video

JohnnyP
07-30-2016, 11:28 PM
Ok, I think I fixed it.

Masseyman
08-01-2016, 07:36 AM
I pre-ordered one at the BCA nationals and shot with the unit at the OB booth this last week in Vegas.
Immediately it showed I had lateral moment and tended to pull back after my stroke.
I look forward to practicing with it to improve my stroke fundamentals.

shanesinnott
08-01-2016, 08:04 AM
I pre-ordered one at the BCA nationals and shot with the unit at the OB booth this last week in Vegas.
Immediately it showed I had lateral moment and tended to pull back after my stroke.
I look forward to practicing with it to improve my stroke fundamentals.

Glad you got a chance to try (and order) the DigiCue. We are very happy with the response to this device both in the feedback that we have gotten and also the number of orders.

jburkm002
08-23-2016, 04:04 PM
Has any top players been used for testing? Would sucks to play a rack just like SVB and this is telling you your stroke sucks.

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shanesinnott
08-23-2016, 04:19 PM
Has any top players been used for testing? Would sucks to play a rack just like SVB and this is telling you your stroke sucks.

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Approximately 50 players tried it in the last 24hrs at the China open and the response has been overwhelmingly positive.