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watchez
07-11-2016, 11:23 AM
Last weekend had two Mosconi Cup Points events - Olathe and the West Coast Challenge.

Anyone have a calculation on the current point totals for US men? Thanks

gxman
07-11-2016, 11:48 AM
Rodney went 2 and out at WCC I believe.

Johnnyt
07-11-2016, 12:28 PM
If I'm reading the MC web site right, they are WAY behind on the updates. They have points only for the first 8 tournaments. Sorry, no help. Johnnyt

watchez
07-11-2016, 12:55 PM
Yeah that's why I was hoping someone did the calculations.

I guess Matchroom has been too busy trying to find some no name table to be their sponsor and official table for the event.

Joe_Jaguar
07-11-2016, 12:55 PM
If I'm reading the MC web site right, they are WAY behind on the updates. They have points only for the first 8 tournaments. Sorry, no help. Johnnyt

They're still trying to figure out how it all works

Johnnyt
07-11-2016, 01:01 PM
They're still trying to figure out how it all works

Probably. Johnny. LOL

AtLarge
07-11-2016, 02:20 PM
Last weekend had two Mosconi Cup Points events - Olathe and the West Coast Challenge.

Anyone have a calculation on the current point totals for US men? Thanks

I can't give an accurate points list yet, as I don't know (a) whether the points for the West Coast Challenge will be reduced because of the small field (just 45 players) and (b) who finished in 5th through 24th place at the Midwest 9-Ball event.

Robb Saez was first in Olathe, which probably moved him into the top dozen. Sky Woodward finished 3rd in Olathe, which probably moved him into 4th place. Oscar Dominguez was 7th/8th in the West Coast Challenge, whereas Rodney Morris was 17th/24th, so Oscar gained some ground on Rodney, but will remain in 2nd. So I think the top 7 now probably will be:

1. Rodney Morris
2. Oscar Dominguez
3. Mike Dechaine
4. Skyler Woodward
5. Shaun Wilkie
6. Shane Van Boening
7. Hunter Lombardo

AtLarge
07-11-2016, 02:39 PM
If I'm reading the MC web site right, they are WAY behind on the updates. They have points only for the first 8 tournaments. Sorry, no help. Johnnyt

It's up to date through all 10 points events prior to the two that finished yesterday..

watchez
07-11-2016, 02:47 PM
I can't give an accurate points list yet, as I don't know (a) whether the points for the West Coast Challenge will be reduced because of the small field (just 45 players) and (b) who finished in 5th through 24th place at the Midwest 9-Ball event.

Robb Saez was first in Olathe, which probably moved him into the top dozen. Sky Woodward finished 3rd in Olathe, which probably moved him into 4th place. Oscar Dominguez was 7th/8th in the West Coast Challenge, whereas Rodney Morris was 17th/24th, so Oscar gained some ground on Rodney, but will remain in 2nd. So I think the top 7 now probably will be:

1. Rodney Morris
2. Oscar Dominguez
3. Mike Dechaine
4. Skyler Woodward
5. Shaun Wilkie
6. Shane Van Boening
7. Hunter Lombardo

Changing the points based on field size is simply dumb. If Matchroom chose a wrong event to host a point event, then so be it. The players that showed up shouldn't be penalized because others didn't show up, the tournament was poorly executed or advertised.

watchez
07-12-2016, 08:36 AM
Ok looks like the points have been updated

Morris 138
Dominquez 133
Dechaine 114
Woodward 92
Wilkie 83
Van Boening 80
Lombardo 71
McMinn 56
Deuel 50
Saez 50

ElLeon
07-12-2016, 10:48 AM
Too bad Dechaine absolutely falls apart at the Mosconi cup, it is a train wreck year after year. Morris does better, but still seems to be far too amped up about the event to put in his best games there.

watchez
07-12-2016, 11:20 AM
Too bad Dechaine absolutely falls apart at the Mosconi cup, it is a train wreck year after year. Morris does better, but still seems to be far too amped up about the event to put in his best games there.

So what does Mark Wilson do if it remains as it is now

1. Morris
2. Oscar
3. Dechaine

That leaves two spots for what I see are the next best 3 candidates: SVB, Sky, Bergman

ElLeon
07-12-2016, 11:34 AM
So what does Mark Wilson do if it remains as it is now

1. Morris
2. Oscar
3. Dechaine

That leaves two spots for what I see are the next best 3 candidates: SVB, Sky, Bergman

No doubt, it's a difficult decision.

However, last years inclusion of Sky and Bergman were very positive for not only solid play, but also injecting a bit of alligator blood into the shooters and some more level personalities at the table. It was the first time in the past 5 or so years that i've felt the captain chose players based around the team and not a group of individuals .

While I understand that those short races can amp a player up quite a bit, it seems to me that the European players have managed to temper that emotion while shooting, yet provide stable support to teammates when not in-match. In years past it seems that the (perhaps an over generalization) boisterous American players have allowed that energy to consume their game while at the table. (note: Not speaking about every player on the roster, just about 1/2 of the Americans)

IMHO this has destabilized the American team from providing more consistent results when those particular players are shooting in the singles matches. A bit of a feast or famine result if you will, putting more pressure on those who have had any consistency to cover for their overly dramatic and under-performing teammates.

jburkm002
07-12-2016, 01:37 PM
Don't see Bergman on the list. Wilkie is ahead of SVB. Either do it based on merit or dont.

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watchez
07-12-2016, 01:52 PM
Don't see Bergman on the list. Wilkie is ahead of SVB. Either do it based on merit or dont.

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But that is not how it is set up -- first 3 are point winners. Last two are captain picks. I guess when you own Matchroom you can set it up however you want.

Johnnyt
07-12-2016, 02:10 PM
MC has become the biggest joke in pool. Points for BB and 8 ball WTF. Johnnyt

PS: And I love BB pool too.

AtLarge
07-12-2016, 06:06 PM
Ok looks like the points have been updated

Morris 138
Dominquez 133
Dechaine 114
Woodward 92
Wilkie 83
Van Boening 80
Lombardo 71
McMinn 56
Deuel 50
Saez 50

This means that Matchroom did not award any points for 17th/24th or 25th/32nd places in the West Coast Challenge 10-Ball event. In other words, because of field size, they awarded points to only the top 16 places instead of the top 32. Half of those top 16 places were occupied by players ineligible for Team USA, so only 8 players received points from that event.

Two MC Team contenders, Rodney Morris and Tony Chohan, finished 17th/24th.

Scott Lee
07-12-2016, 08:33 PM
There ya go Johnnyt...something else you can b!tch about. Thought you were gonna quit your badmouthing behavior last New Years. For sure, that's the biggest joke on this forum. It's a patriotic event, no matter who plays or wins. 'Member what yer momma used to tell you? If you don't have anything nice to say about it...keep yer lid shut.

Scott Lee
http:/poolknowledge.com

MC has become the biggest joke in pool. Points for BB and 8 ball WTF. Johnnyt

PS: And I love BB pool too.

Johnnyt
07-12-2016, 10:25 PM
Sorry I can't be like you and hang from anyone's in the industry's nuts and get your ad for fool school in every chance you get. Johnnyt

jay helfert
07-13-2016, 12:24 AM
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:

mikepage
07-13-2016, 05:48 AM
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:

That does even things up quite a bit --Here are the top 5 from each continent shown also by where they are at on the world stage --Fargo Ratings

Fast Lenny
07-13-2016, 06:05 AM
Go Rocket! :thumbup:

watchez
07-13-2016, 07:51 AM
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:

The US players need to take the game more serious, as their European competitors do. We don't need to replace players, we need to get our players up to speed.

This reminds me of the USA in the World Cup of Soccer. The USA men want to desperately compete. So what do they do, they get a German coach and he finds European players that have an American background to be on Team SUA but most never even have set foot on American soil. And they still lose.

That mentality is a weakness. What they need to do is toughen up.

Johnnyt
07-13-2016, 01:13 PM
IMO the only one of the players that belong on the MC team at this point is SVB. The other high points guys didn't win or finish good in anything major. Hell most of them only played small purse or regional tournaments. Johnnyt

watchez
07-13-2016, 01:25 PM
IMO the only one of the players that belong on the MC team at this point is SVB. The other high points guys didn't win or finish good in anything major. Hell most of them only played small purse or regional tournaments. Johnnyt

Turning Stone 25k added

Oscar 3rd
Rodney 4th

DCC 9B

SVB 1st

Those are what I would call majors so far for the year, if you are looking to big prize money.

The Don Coates paid pretty good - $7400 for 1st, won by Rodney. Dechaine got 5th, Oscar got 9th


Beyond that Rodney is 12th on the AZB money list for the year -- not sure what else you expected him to compete in


EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$19,815 12th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$7,415 1st Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,300 1st 9th Wyoming Open Masters 10-Ball
$1,000 1st Diamond Pool Tour 2016 #3
$3,000 2nd Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$1,500 2nd Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,000 2nd Florida Pool Tour 2016 #2 Open Div.
$400 3rd 9th Wyoming Open Masters 8-Ball
$2,600 4th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$650 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$300 13th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$200 48th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.
$200 65th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.

Oscar is 27th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$10,494 27th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$2,500 1st Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,600 1st 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$3,600 3rd Turning Stone Classic XXV
$400 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 5
$1,000 5th Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$494 9th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$425 9th Andy Mercer Mem. 2016
$175 25th 2nd Texas 10-Ball Championship
$300 45th DCC 2016 9B Div.

DeChaine is 26th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$11,138 26th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$1,100 1st Empire St. 10B C'ship 2016
$1,000 1st Joss Tour 2015-2016 #15
$900 3rd 7th NE P&F HOF 9B Open
$2,000 4th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$700 4th Ginky Memorial 2016 Open Div.
$2,600 5th SBE 2016 Players C'ship
$988 5th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,200 9th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$250 47th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.
$150 77th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.

Among USA men

Rodney is 2nd on money list
Dechaine is 8th
Oscar is 9th

Teacherman
07-13-2016, 01:32 PM
Ah yes. Lets get weak and turn chicken and open it up to all of North America instead of just plain getting better.

Let's beat them on paper instead of in the practice room.

I'd rather earn it than be given a handout.

Johnnyt
07-13-2016, 01:52 PM
Turning Stone 25k added

Oscar 3rd
Rodney 4th

DCC 9B

SVB 1st

Those are what I would call majors so far for the year, if you are looking to big prize money.

The Don Coates paid pretty good - $7400 for 1st, won by Rodney. Dechaine got 5th, Oscar got 9th


Beyond that Rodney is 12th on the AZB money list for the year -- not sure what else you expected him to compete in


EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$19,815 12th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$7,415 1st Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,300 1st 9th Wyoming Open Masters 10-Ball
$1,000 1st Diamond Pool Tour 2016 #3
$3,000 2nd Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$1,500 2nd Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,000 2nd Florida Pool Tour 2016 #2 Open Div.
$400 3rd 9th Wyoming Open Masters 8-Ball
$2,600 4th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$650 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$300 13th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$200 48th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.
$200 65th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.

Oscar is 27th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$10,494 27th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$2,500 1st Jay Swanson Memorial 2016
$1,600 1st 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 1
$3,600 3rd Turning Stone Classic XXV
$400 4th 2016 Mezz West State Tour Stop 5
$1,000 5th Chuck Markulis Mem. 9-Ball 2016
$494 9th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$425 9th Andy Mercer Mem. 2016
$175 25th 2nd Texas 10-Ball Championship
$300 45th DCC 2016 9B Div.

DeChaine is 26th

EARNINGS AZB MONEY LEADERBOARD
$11,138 26th
PAYOUT RANK TOURNAMENT
$1,100 1st Empire St. 10B C'ship 2016
$1,000 1st Joss Tour 2015-2016 #15
$900 3rd 7th NE P&F HOF 9B Open
$2,000 4th Chinook Winds Open 8-Ball
$700 4th Ginky Memorial 2016 Open Div.
$2,600 5th SBE 2016 Players C'ship
$988 5th Don Coates Memorial 9-Ball
$1,200 9th Turning Stone Classic XXV
$250 47th DCC 2016 1P Div.
$250 70th DCC 2016 9B Div.
$150 77th DCC 2016 9B Banks Div.

Among USA men

Rodney is 2nd on money list
Dechaine is 8th
Oscar is 9th

Notice what they did at the DCC. Case closed. Johnny

Double-Dave
07-13-2016, 02:17 PM
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:

For years now we haven been sending players from 3 to 4 countries:
UK, Germany, Netherlands and Finland. Those 4 countries combined have
about half the population of the US. So can we add either Taiwan or the
Philippines to even it out?

watchez
07-13-2016, 02:35 PM
Notice what they did at the DCC. Case closed. Johnny

One tournament is the basis of your post? That's special. Just admit that you posted without thinking. As a side note - I notice you like to post a lot just for the simply fact of posting. I always get a kick out of the threads you attempt to start. It's almost like you sit around just trying to find something to say.

Back to your brain: You acted as if the USA men haven't accomplished anything this year. It's not like there are $25K added tournaments for them to play in every two weeks. They are playing in the MC point events that are out there for them. That is all they can do. To criticize them for that is baseless and thoughtless.

From your brain, both SVB and Scott Frost should be on the MC Cup team cause in the only tournament that matters to you - the DCC 9 ball, Scott finished as the second highest placing USA male.

Johnnyt
07-13-2016, 07:03 PM
First of all FU. My point is if they can't cash high against top players from around the world, what chance do they have in the cup against 5 top players? None what so ever. Johnnyt

pt109
07-13-2016, 07:26 PM
For years now we haven been sending players from 3 to 4 countries:
UK, Germany, Netherlands and Finland. Those 4 countries combined have
about half the population of the US. So can we add either Taiwan or the
Philippines to even it out?

Cooking the books a little, are we?
The Euro players on the Mosconi Cup team are the cream from a base of over 740 million.
If you want to only use the figures of where the team members come from.....
...then use the population of each State the American players come from.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

AtLarge
07-13-2016, 10:18 PM
... My point is if they can't cash high against top players from around the world, what chance do they have in the cup against 5 top players? None what so ever. Johnnyt

In the DCC 9-Ball event:
• Morris has been in the top 5 at least five times, including second to Reyes in 2010.
• Dechaine has been in the top 6 four times.
• Dominguez has yet to finish high (but I don't know whether he has played in it regularly).

Double-Dave
07-14-2016, 04:32 AM
Cooking the books a little, are we?
The Euro players on the Mosconi Cup team are the cream from a base of over 740 million.
If you want to only use the figures of where the team members come from.....
...then use the population of each State the American players come from.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Fair enough. OK, then add Canada. Alex is one tough cookie but I still
think we'd be a decent favorite with a team like Darren, Niels, Mark, Nick, Ralph.

gr. Dave

Scott Lee
07-15-2016, 06:58 AM
That's your answer to everything, when someone points out your BS. That's the same attitude that was out there before the US Hockey Team beat the Russians 30 years ago. Maybe you should move out of FL and go live in Europe so you can "cheer" for what you perceive to be "winners". :angry:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

First of all FU. My point is if they can't cash high against top players from around the world, what chance do they have in the cup against 5 top players? None what so ever. Johnnyt

Scott Lee
07-15-2016, 07:02 AM
Look, you crotchety old goat...YOU'RE the one who made the statement as a New Year's resolution to be a better poster. Don't dog me because you can't control your mouth, fingers and very poor anti-American attitude. As far as pool school, you could never learn a thing because you so obviously already know everything. Now, go back to your soap box...

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Sorry I can't be like you and hang from anyone's in the industry's nuts and get your ad for fool school in every chance you get. Johnnyt

mikepage
07-15-2016, 07:41 AM
Ah yes. Lets get weak and turn chicken and open it up to all of North America instead of just plain getting better.

Let's beat them on paper instead of in the practice room.

I'd rather earn it than be given a handout.

I think matchroom knows the "rah rah USA" stuff, as parochial as it may be, is a proven formula.

If we take a step back, though, there are a couple legitimate reasons to consider opening it up.

(1) Europe enjoys a 2-to-1 population advantage over USA

(2) North America vs Europe would be continent v. continent rather than country v. continent

(3) North America v. Europe would be more aligned with supporting our international governing structure (WPA) because it would be BCA v. EPBF (Billiards Congress of America v. European Pocket Billiard Federation), two member organizations.

watchez
07-15-2016, 07:47 AM
I think matchroom knows the "rah rah USA" stuff, as parochial as it may be, is a proven formula.

If we take a step back, though, there are a couple legitimate reasons to consider opening it up.

(1) Europe enjoys a 2-to-1 population advantage over USA

(2) North America vs Europe would be continent v. continent rather than country v. continent

(3) North America v. Europe would be more aligned with supporting our international governing structure (WPA) because it would be BCA v. EPBF (Billiards Congress of America v. European Pocket Billiard Federation), two member organizations.

Every hear of the Ryder Cup?

Then you can stretch it events such as the Olympics, America's Cup -- you don't see countries complaining they can't compete because they don't have a big enough population. If they want to win, they simply get better.

mikepage
07-15-2016, 09:30 AM
Every hear of the Ryder Cup?

You mean that golf event that was originally USA v Great Britain but was changed to USA v. Europe after repeated US domination over the smaller Great Britain population?

That Ryder Cup?

pt109
07-15-2016, 10:15 AM
I think matchroom knows the "rah rah USA" stuff, as parochial as it may be, is a proven formula.

If we take a step back, though, there are a couple legitimate reasons to consider opening it up.

(1) Europe enjoys a 2-to-1 population advantage over USA

(2) North America vs Europe would be continent v. continent rather than country v. continent

(3) North America v. Europe would be more aligned with supporting our international governing structure (WPA) because it would be BCA v. EPBF (Billiards Congress of America v. European Pocket Billiard Federation), two member organizations.

As a Canuck, I would love to see Team North America.
And eventually, I would like to see Team Asia.

A North American team would include a few other countries...Mexico being the biggest....
....even though they tend to call us Norte Americanos....:rolleyes:

AtLarge
08-06-2016, 01:20 PM
SVB was the only player eligible for team USA to earn any points in the World 9-Ball Championship. Oscar Dominguez finished 33rd/64th, just missing the points. Shane's 2nd place was worth 67 points, putting him in the lead. Twelve of the 27 points events remain to be played.

217 -- Shane Van Boening
178 -- Rodney Morris
161 -- Oscar Dominguez
133 -- Mike Dechaine
115 -- Skyler Woodward
..83 -- Shaun Wilkie
..74 -- Shane McMinn
..71 -- Hunter Lombardo
..62 -- Corey Deuel
..59 -- Robb Saez

BRussell
08-06-2016, 02:48 PM
Shane has gotten 137 points in the past couple of weeks: 70 points for coming first in the two 7-ft. US Opens, and 67 for 2nd in the World 9-ball.

AtLarge
08-11-2016, 12:53 PM
... Twelve of the 27 points events remain to be played. ...

Correction. The number of points events is now 28, with 13 yet to be played.

Kris_b1104
08-11-2016, 02:18 PM
SVB was the only player eligible for team USA to earn any points in the World 9-Ball Championship. Oscar Dominguez finished 33rd/64th, just missing the points. Shane's 2nd place was worth 67 points, putting him in the lead. Twelve of the 27 points events remain to be played.

217 -- Shane Van Boening
178 -- Rodney Morris
161 -- Oscar Dominguez
133 -- Mike Dechaine
115 -- Skyler Woodward
..83 -- Shaun Wilkie
..74 -- Shane McMinn
..71 -- Hunter Lombardo
..62 -- Corey Deuel
..59 -- Robb Saez

Damn, that starting 5 looks STRONG!

spartan
08-11-2016, 09:05 PM
So right now these are the teams

http://www.matchroompool.com/mosconi-cup/#teamUSA

http://www.matchroompool.com/mosconi-cup/#teamEurope

USA
Shane Van Boening
Rodney Morris
Oscar Dominguez
Mike Dechaine
Skyler Woodward

EUROPE
Albin
Jayson
Mark Gray
Niels
Ralf

Half of each team will be different from last year
Europe still the favorite but without backbone of Darren and Karl it is weaker team than last year. Unlikely that Marcus will captain pick Darren and Boyes since that willl make it a Britisher team :grin-square:

watchez
08-11-2016, 09:17 PM
So right now these are the teams

http://www.matchroompool.com/mosconi-cup/#teamUSA

http://www.matchroompool.com/mosconi-cup/#teamEurope

USA
Shane Van Boening
Rodney Morris
Oscar Dominguez
Mike Dechaine
Skyler Woodward

EUROPE
Albin
Jayson
Mark Gray
Niels
Ralf

Half of each team will be different from last year
Europe still the favorite but without backbone of Darren and Karl it is weaker team than last year. Unlikely that Marcus will captain pick Darren and Boyes since that willl make it a Britisher team :grin-square:

I would be surprised if the top 5 Americans in points are the 5 that are on the team.

BRussell
08-11-2016, 11:20 PM
I would be surprised if the top 5 Americans in points are the 5 that are on the team.



That's what happened last year.

benny-the-blade
08-11-2016, 11:30 PM
I would be surprised if the top 5 Americans in points are the 5 that are on the team.

Bergman in place of Dechaine? I could see that happening.

Mole Eye
08-12-2016, 10:23 AM
They system calls for 2 Captain's picks, but it seems every time a captains pick has occurred, it didn't work out. Let them fight it out and see who wants to be on the team. They've certainly got enough events that someone can make a move.

nycdarkness
08-12-2016, 10:48 AM
I can't stand Mark Grey. No real reason just don't like him :rolleyes:

AtLarge
08-12-2016, 12:17 PM
They system calls for 2 Captain's picks, but it seems every time a captains pick has occurred, it didn't work out. ...

The Captain's Picks last year for Europe were Van den Berg and Appleton, and they had the worst two records on Team Europe.

For Team USA, Bergman and Woodward were the two Captain's Picks, and they both had slightly better records than Dechaine. But, combined, they won only 1 of 5 singles matches, which really hurt.

watchez
08-12-2016, 01:52 PM
The Captain's Picks last year for Europe were Van den Berg and Appleton, and they had the worst two records on Team Europe.

For Team USA, Bergman and Woodward were the two Captain's Picks, and they both had slightly better records than Dechaine. But, combined, they won only 1 of 5 singles matches, which really hurt.

#facts ........

BeiberLvr
08-12-2016, 03:11 PM
We should do a vote of current AZ [American] members with over 3k posts, and the winner gets the last wildcard spot.

sjm
08-12-2016, 03:28 PM
They system calls for 2 Captain's picks, but it seems every time a captains pick has occurred, it didn't work out. Let them fight it out and see who wants to be on the team. They've certainly got enough events that someone can make a move.

Right on. Lots of pool left to play. Whoever earns the points will deserve inclusion. If the Mosconi rankings stay close, it could all come down to the US Open 9-ball.

Mark Wilson went with the top five in the Mosconi rankings a year ago and, as far as I'm concerned, his picks were highly justifiable.

AtLarge
08-12-2016, 03:38 PM
Right on. Lots of pool left to play. Whoever earns the points will deserve inclusion. If the Mosconi rankings stay close, it could all come down to the US Open 9-ball.

Mark Wilson went with the top five in the Mosconi rankings a year ago and, as far as I'm concerned, his picks were highly justifiable.

This year, the last points event on the schedule for Team USA is not the US Open 9-Ball Championship, it's the WPA Kuwait 9 Ball Open. And it's a Level One event. I wonder if anyone will go, in search of a team spot.

spartan
08-12-2016, 07:18 PM
This year, the last points event on the schedule for Team USA is not the US Open 9-Ball Championship, it's the WPA Kuwait 9 Ball Open. And it's a Level One event. I wonder if anyone will go, in search of a team spot.

Talking about new WPA events, there is also another event that WPA green lighted in their calendar 28Nov-4Dec. Wonder what that is. :)

Bob Jewett
08-12-2016, 08:56 PM
Talking about new WPA events, there is also another event that WPA green lighted in their calendar 28Nov-4Dec. Wonder what that is. :)
Whatever it is, it's too late for MC points this year.

AtLarge
08-12-2016, 09:29 PM
Talking about new WPA events, there is also another event that WPA green lighted in their calendar 28Nov-4Dec. Wonder what that is. :)

Maybe that's the World 8-Ball Championship, originally planned for Toronto but then switched to China.

justinb386
08-12-2016, 11:00 PM
MC has become the biggest joke in pool. Points for BB and 8 ball WTF. Johnnyt

PS: And I love BB pool too.

Why would they give MC points for an 8 ball event? That does not make any sense.

justinb386
08-12-2016, 11:06 PM
There ya go Johnnyt...something else you can b!tch about. Thought you were gonna quit your badmouthing behavior last New Years. For sure, that's the biggest joke on this forum. It's a patriotic event, no matter who plays or wins. 'Member what yer momma used to tell you? If you don't have anything nice to say about it...keep yer lid shut.

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But he makes a good point about MC points being awarded to the finishers of 8 ball tournaments. MC is a 9 ball competition, so it should have the very strongest 9 ball US team, right? Why give MC cup points to the top finishers of an 8 ball tournament? Are there not enough 9 ball tournaments to have MC points for just 9 ball tournaments?

justinb386
08-12-2016, 11:10 PM
I'll say it again; for the American side to have a real chance in the Mosconi we need to make our team from the best players in North America. Europe has over twice the population of North America. If we can add Alex and Morra to our team it becomes an equal match-up. JMHO as always :cool:

Yeah, the US needs the very strongest 9 ball team that they can get. I wonder though, if Morra and Pagulayan (and other Canadian pro players) play in many of the MC points events?

Bob Jewett
08-13-2016, 10:19 AM
... Are there not enough 9 ball tournaments to have MC points for just 9 ball tournaments?
Which major 9 ball tournaments were omitted?

AtLarge
08-13-2016, 12:40 PM
It looks to me like the number of Mosconi Cup points events for Team USA, by discipline, is as follows:

15 events played so far:

8-Ball -- 2
9-Ball -- 7
10-Ball -- 6


13 events yet to be played:

8-Ball -- 2
9-Ball -- 7
10-Ball -- 4


All 28 events:

8-Ball -- 4
9-Ball -- 14
10-Ball -- 10

terryhanna
08-31-2016, 01:48 AM
Anyone Have Updated USA Mosconi Cup Points After Last Weekend @ TS & Vegas events

AtLarge
08-31-2016, 12:04 PM
Anyone Have Updated USA Mosconi Cup Points After Last Weekend @ TS & Vegas events

When the Eastern States event got such a low player turn-out, I figured Matchroom might reduce the points, like they did for the Empire State event. So I quit keeping track at that point. I see they have now posted points through the Eastern States event, but I don't know why they gave Dechaine 18 instead of 16. For the other players they cut the points by one-third. That would mean 16 for Dechaine, not 18.

If Matchroom doesn't post the points through Turning Stone within the next few days, I'll try to work it out (subject to the Dechaine mystery).

Here's an update on the number of events in each discipline:

21 events played so far:

8-Ball -- 3
9-Ball -- 10
10-Ball -- 8


7 events yet to be played:

8-Ball -- 1
9-Ball -- 4
10-Ball -- 2


All 28 events:

8-Ball -- 4
9-Ball -- 14
10-Ball -- 10