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dogloose
07-13-2016, 06:50 AM
Yeah... the lucky shot... completely miss-hit, balls bouncing everywhere and bang the nine ball drops in. Or the eight...

Over on 3CushionBilliards.com Andy Janquitto covered what players have been calling this "fluke" (that's one) here in the US and around the world since the very first players stepped up to the table. Whether in a pool room or on a 3-cushion table the "slop shot" (that's another) has been both a frustration and at times a saving grace.

Check out what this ever-present part of our game has come to be called around the world. It'll put a smile on your face the next time you make one yourself... or even if your opponent does!

Linky: Of Flukes, Clucks, Chimbas and Puppies: The beauty and bane of the lucky shot (http://www.3cushionbilliards.com/opinion/137-of-flukes,-clucks,-chimbas-and-puppies)

And let us know if Andy missed any... or if you have some local folklore to share...

Cornerman
07-13-2016, 12:14 PM
And let us know if Andy missed any... or if you have some local folklore to share...
I had my best performance in an 8-ball tournament a couple of decades ago in a race to 4.

Down 1-0, my opponent broke dry and I ran out the set. But my second break and run, I fired the 8-ball, it jawed, bounced across the table, and back into the original called pocket.

I'm sure my opponent still remembers it today.

Freddie <~~~ hooray for slop, but this was a fluke

Nine ... corner
07-13-2016, 12:18 PM
Who among us would deny they have never been either blessed with a fluke or cursed by one from an opponent? ;)

Inaction
07-13-2016, 12:30 PM
Two weeks ago, the opponent had an easy short shot into the corner and his last ball tied up with two others near the other side of the short rail. He jacked up to try to draw for a breakout but the cueball jumped on the rail for about 18 inches and dropped right into the cluster.

He got out from there.

Nonyamuff
07-13-2016, 12:32 PM
I play APA so of course...both sides.

ps611846
07-13-2016, 12:43 PM
Sometimes "flukes" are just shots we don't know how to play.......

Nine ... corner
07-13-2016, 12:49 PM
Sometimes "flukes" are just shots we don't know how to play.......

or wish we could learn how to play! :)

ps611846
07-13-2016, 12:51 PM
or wish we could learn how to play! :)

Exactly !!!!!!!

billiardthought
07-13-2016, 12:52 PM
Who among us would deny they have never been either blessed with a fluke or cursed by one from an opponent? ;)

Scott Frost did exactly this on the air during the Big Dogs one pocket tournament in Des Moines. Claimed he has never gotten a role, and that himself and Robb Saez are the unluckiest pool players alive.

pt109
07-13-2016, 01:00 PM
I've been beat by a fluke.....but I had a whale of a time.

428562

Nine ... corner
07-13-2016, 01:10 PM
I've been beat by a fluke.....but I had a whale of a time.

428562

I couldn't give you any green my friend but you do crack me up!

Dunnn51
07-13-2016, 01:23 PM
I've been beat by a fluke.....but I had a whale of a time.

428562

If you play APA, you know how to get beaten on a "Flute." (sic)

428565


just sayin',.....

boosaboos
07-13-2016, 01:23 PM
Last night 9 Ball CPA
First 2 Racks, I shot the 3 ball in to corner pocket, I miss it by 5 inches the 3 ball ran around the table managed to dodge the other balls, hit the 9 and cut it into the pocket.

2nd rack, I run the table out down to the last two balls 8 and 9, I shot the 8 ball in the corner pocket, made it, the cue ball travels around the table, and hits the 9 straight into the opposite corner pocket.

I said sorry both times.

LIAKOS27
07-13-2016, 01:54 PM
A few days ago I'm in a gambling match/session.

I was giving some weight, 2 to 9! I beat him 9-7 and then 9-3! We renegotiate and he was asking for way too much,,,, 5 to 11! I told him I couldn't but I felt bad and gave it to him as long as he promised to play 3 to 10 if he won, he said yes!

So there I am,,, I won 2 games in a row and on the 9,,, shoot it and the 9 skids leaving it in the jaws! 6-2 him! He smashes them, shits in 3 balls beforing shitting the 9,,, 7-2!

I win the next game, 7-3! I break dry he comes, one shot,,,, yup he gets the 9! 8-4! He breaks and runs,,,9-4! He breaks dry, I run out, 9-5! I put a 3 pack, 9-8 him! I break dry, and he caromed and easy 9! 10-9 him,,,, here is where it get interesting;)

He breaks dry, but the 9 goes right in the corner pocket comin to a stop against the facing of the pocket, of you breath on it, it drops! I have a very clear shot on the 1 but very tough to play safe! I was less than 2 ft away from the one which was basically parked in the middle of the table. I figured if I draw the ball into the 9, I would probably scratch right behind it because it was just waiting to be dropped!

I hit the one, the cue ball, with ever so perfect speed goes right towards the 9. I could tell I hit it so good that I wasn't gonna scratch. Cue balls rolling towards the 9,,, goes passed the 9, and scratches!

He gets ball in hand, 1-9 combo and I lost! Let me tell us, I've some some crazy things, but that was one of my best experiences!

I love this game! Wish I was good at it though:(

MikieG
07-13-2016, 01:57 PM
Have i ever been beaten or won by a lucky shot?

EVERY SINGLE TIME!!

GideonF
07-13-2016, 02:03 PM
I think the fluke or lucky shot extends way beyond making a ball. It includes things like a miss that leaves your opponent in jail (not a two way shot, but just a plain miss) and losing control of the CB just to have it sail around the table, break out your problem cluster and leave you perfect on a ball.

I've certainly benefitted from both of those on more than one occasion. When it happens to me, I assume my opponent did it on purpose - but when I do it, I KNOW what I intended!

Double-Dave
07-13-2016, 02:04 PM
I have a team mate, let's call him Melvin (mostly because his name is Melvin) who
has made fluking a ball in into an art form. Don't get me wrong, he shoots pretty darn
good aswell, a solid A player on his good days.

But, he generally likes to hit them pretty firm so when he does miss it gives him a fighting
chance for a fluke. We play an 8-ball league where you don't have to call your shots.

Melvin has 3 stripes left, they are all in the same half of the table but none are near a pocket.
He tries to shoot one in the middle, flukes that ball in a different pocket and in the same shot
knocks both of his other balls in. He didn't land great on the 8 so he felt a little unlucky....

gr. Dave

Jeff Rosen
07-13-2016, 02:10 PM
I am just a D+ and a "3" in APA but I decided to try my hand at the "challenge the Pro" booth at the Expo. I paid $20 to play Mica Immonen in a race to two. I came very close to winning the match, (I only won the first but came very close in the second) It was totally by luck, his bad luck not my good luck. He scratched on the nine and I spotted it with ball in hand. As lucky as it was I can always say I beat a pro.
In the second game he scratched on the break. I pulled a good safety where he could only get the extreme edge of the one and missed. When he came up to shoot I said "you're on two". He made the ball and the cue just barely missed scratching by a few millimeters!! He then ran the table!!

Skippy27
07-13-2016, 02:18 PM
I play APA so of course...both sides.

Yes because only in APA does slop count.

tonythetiger583
07-13-2016, 02:32 PM
Playing in a singles tournament, Winner takes the round, but I only need 7 balls to win. Break and run out 6 and can't pocket my last ball.

Opponent safes me and hooks me behind his ball with both my cb and ob almost frozen in the middle of each short rail.

I call a table long jump bank. I hit it and make the bank...in the opposite pocket I had called, to win the match.

p.s, every other player watching told me later, that since my ball was covering a pocket and I just couldn't get to it, I should have comboed my opponents ball into mine for the win on the initial run.

BmoreMoney
07-13-2016, 03:06 PM
I have a team mate, let's call him Melvin (mostly because his name is Melvin) who
has made fluking a ball in into an art form. Don't get me wrong, he shoots pretty darn
good aswell, a solid A player on his good days.

But, he generally likes to hit them pretty firm so when he does miss it gives him a fighting
chance for a fluke. We play an 8-ball league where you don't have to call your shots.

Melvin has 3 stripes left, they are all in the same half of the table but none are near a pocket.
He tries to shoot one in the middle, flukes that ball in a different pocket and in the same shot
knocks both of his other balls in. He didn't land great on the 8 so he felt a little unlucky....

gr. Dave Is Melvin the guy with the RAM shot?

Texdance
07-13-2016, 05:04 PM
Playing the local champ in league play, the set was down to one easy shot, with him shooting at the eight ball for the win.

The crowd was hushed - that easy eight ball would win the night for his team.

Our guys were already sadly prepared for the defeat, even before he shot.

The champ stroked the eight into the corner pocket, easy as pie. Nobody expected him to miss, he was a great shooter. But instead of a bunch of team victory shouts, the room remained oddly silent.

Except for me, when I said in a small voice 'Foul".

The champ smacked his forehead, he knew instantly what had happened - he neglected to call the pocket for his eight ball shot. Rules said he lost because he didn't call the pocket.

His momentary lapse gave me the win. It also gave my team game, set and match for the night. But I still felt really bad calling the foul, and though my team was behind me, they were as embarrassed as me about winning due to such a cheap foul.

us820
07-13-2016, 05:29 PM
Loser racks ,winner breaks race to 3 nine ball at a bar.Won the lag and 3 nine on the breaks in a row.Stupid lucky.

PhilosopherKing
07-13-2016, 06:24 PM
Scott Frost did exactly this on the air during the Big Dogs one pocket tournament in Des Moines. Claimed he has never gotten a role, and that himself and Robb Saez are the unluckiest pool players alive.

Luck is huge at the pro-level. A few lucky rolls can win a big tournament and start the momentum to build a career.

PocketPooler
07-13-2016, 08:03 PM
Every time i lose...

Double-Dave
07-14-2016, 04:18 AM
Is Melvin the guy with the RAM shot?

Lol, no. He really does play good (in a race to 9 on the big table he will break
and run like 3-4 racks). That shot he didn't even hit hard at all, like if you want
to make a stop shot from 6 diamonds away or so.

3 of us were watching and we have never seen anything like it. Closest thing
are a couple other shots done by "Melvin".

gr. Dave

Skippy27
07-14-2016, 09:08 AM
Except for me, when I said in a small voice 'Foul".

The champ smacked his forehead, he knew instantly what had happened - he neglected to call the pocket for his eight ball shot. Rules said he lost because he didn't call the pocket.

His momentary lapse gave me the win. It also gave my team game, set and match for the night. But I still felt really bad calling the foul, and though my team was behind me, they were as embarrassed as me about winning due to such a cheap foul.

If it was not an obvious shoot then I would understand.

Sportsmanship guidelines and rules are there for those that need them and clearly you did.

My captain has gotten on me more than once for not calling a loss on someone that failed to mark their pocket when the ball is sitting 5" from it.

HawaiianEye
07-14-2016, 09:20 AM
I have never made a lucky shot.

I've made uncalled, highly unpredictable, secret technique, scientific shots, but never a lucky shot.

I leave the lucky shots to Efren.

BRussell
07-14-2016, 09:28 AM
Playing a hill-hill match, first round of a tournament, my opponent runs out and has a straight-in, one-foot shot on the 9-ball. He drills it, a little firmly to make his point, into the center of the pocket -- it goes down and pops right back up onto the table, leaving me straight in on it.

bazkook
07-14-2016, 11:19 AM
Playing the local champ in league play, the set was down to one easy shot, with him shooting at the eight ball for the win.

The crowd was hushed - that easy eight ball would win the night for his team.

Our guys were already sadly prepared for the defeat, even before he shot.

The champ stroked the eight into the corner pocket, easy as pie. Nobody expected him to miss, he was a great shooter. But instead of a bunch of team victory shouts, the room remained oddly silent.

Except for me, when I said in a small voice 'Foul".

The champ smacked his forehead, he knew instantly what had happened - he neglected to call the pocket for his eight ball shot. Rules said he lost because he didn't call the pocket.

His momentary lapse gave me the win. It also gave my team game, set and match for the night. But I still felt really bad calling the foul, and though my team was behind me, they were as embarrassed as me about winning due to such a cheap foul.

Was this in APA league play or another league? A SL7 once told me about a match against a SL6 in an APA team 8-ball Vegas qualifier, in which both players agreed to call the pocket for the 8-ball instead of marking it. The SL7 got to the hill first, called his pocket, made the 8-ball in the called pocket and the SL6 called a foul for the SL7 not marking the pocket. The SL7 did not lose the match in that game but the SL7 never recovered mentally from the bs move by the SL6 that he lost the match. The SL6 had the nerve to try to shake the SL7's hand and the SL7 refused to shake hands. I can't blame the SL7 for his reaction. I would have been less restrained. I understand that rules are rules but incidents like this are one reason why I hate the petty league play rules. However not even calling the 8-ball pocket is a fairly obvious mistake.

firetrain
07-14-2016, 01:08 PM
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AtLarge
07-14-2016, 01:14 PM
Isnt a rule that if the cue ball hits the top of the rail surface that its not considered the playing surface so its ruled to have left the table? I've never seen it called in a match but I'm sure I've read that...

Not under WPA (world-standardized) rules:

"8.5 Driven off the Table
A ball is considered driven off the table if it comes to rest other than on the playing surface but is not pocketed. A ball is also considered driven off the table if it would have been driven off the table except for striking an object such as a light fixture, piece of chalk or a player which causes it to return to the table. A ball that contacts the top of the rail is not considered to have been driven off the table if it returns to the playing surface or enters a pocket."

GideonF
07-14-2016, 01:19 PM
Not under WPA (world-standardized) rules:

"8.5 Driven off the Table
A ball is considered driven off the table if it comes to rest other than on the playing surface but is not pocketed. A ball is also considered driven off the table if it would have been driven off the table except for striking an object such as a light fixture, piece of chalk or a player which causes it to return to the table. A ball that contacts the top of the rail is not considered to have been driven off the table if it returns to the playing surface or enters a pocket."

I had to deal with the rule for the first time this past weekend. I played in a little 8-ball tournament on Diamond 7 footers. I miscued, hit my OB and the CB jumped on to the rail, eventually stopping on the rail (resting against the cloth on the top of the cushion). I tried suggesting that my opponent shot from there, but he didn't go for it. :)

BRussell
07-14-2016, 01:20 PM
Playing the local champ in league play, the set was down to one easy shot, with him shooting at the eight ball for the win.

The crowd was hushed - that easy eight ball would win the night for his team.

Our guys were already sadly prepared for the defeat, even before he shot.

The champ stroked the eight into the corner pocket, easy as pie. Nobody expected him to miss, he was a great shooter. But instead of a bunch of team victory shouts, the room remained oddly silent.

Except for me, when I said in a small voice 'Foul".

The champ smacked his forehead, he knew instantly what had happened - he neglected to call the pocket for his eight ball shot. Rules said he lost because he didn't call the pocket.

His momentary lapse gave me the win. It also gave my team game, set and match for the night. But I still felt really bad calling the foul, and though my team was behind me, they were as embarrassed as me about winning due to such a cheap foul.
What league is this so I can make sure I never join it? Any league that requires calling the 8-ball on an obvious shot needs to... well change its rules is the nice way to put it.

GideonF
07-14-2016, 01:33 PM
Was this in APA league play or another league? A SL7 once told me about a match against a SL6 in an APA team 8-ball Vegas qualifier, in which both players agreed to call the pocket for the 8-ball instead of marking it. The SL7 got to the hill first, called his pocket, made the 8-ball in the called pocket and the SL6 called a foul for the SL7 not marking the pocket. The SL7 did not lose the match in that game but the SL7 never recovered mentally from the bs move by the SL6 that he lost the match. The SL6 had the nerve to try to shake the SL7's hand and the SL7 refused to shake hands. I can't blame the SL7 for his reaction. I would have been less restrained. I understand that rules are rules but incidents like this are one reason why I hate the petty league play rules. However not even calling the 8-ball pocket is a fairly obvious mistake.

Although I wouldn't do it, I can understand the previous example (someone forgets to call the obvious pocket and is called on a foul), but your example would incite violence among many players. It is dishonest, and, in my view, unsportsmanlike behaviour. Not only would I not shake the player's hand, I would never speak to him.

AtLarge
07-14-2016, 01:35 PM
What league is this so I can make sure I never join it? Any league that requires calling the 8-ball on an obvious shot needs to... well change its rules is the nice way to put it.

In the APA, you have to "properly mark the pocket" for the 8-ball. If you pocket the 8-ball without doing that, you lose. I wonder whether that requirement is just ignored (by mutual agreement of the teams) in any matches.

couldnthinkof01
07-14-2016, 01:49 PM
I think i would rather take second then call a foul on a guy shooting a straight in ball for not calling the pocket.

Skippy27
07-14-2016, 03:28 PM
In the APA, you have to "properly mark the pocket" for the 8-ball. If you pocket the 8-ball without doing that, you lose. I wonder whether that requirement is just ignored (by mutual agreement of the teams) in any matches.

It is ignored sometimes. Just last night or 7 was shooting a good friend of his whom is a 6 and they agreed to call pocket. No problems.

What you should never do is not mark your pocket when you are shooting against someone you know is a poor sportsman or that you don't know at all. Especially at higher level tournaments were you will probably run into some schmuck that will do what the guy above did and call a foul.

dmb4231
07-14-2016, 03:46 PM
Sometimes "flukes" are just shots we don't know how to play.......

Playing a buddy of mine in an 8 ball tournament I come up short for position on my last ball before the 8. I study the table for a while but couldn't find a shot, finally I decide to just fire the ball dead straight, stop my cue ball for perfect position on the 8 hoping my final ball will find a hole! Lucky for me my ball caroms off of another ball and banks center cup cross corner! :thumbup:

Had I known the shot then I might have played it, can be a pretty common one pocket shot bringing both balls to ur side

Tin Man
07-14-2016, 08:08 PM
I think i would rather take second then call a foul on a guy shooting a straight in ball for not calling the pocket.

I played in a league tournament in vegas once that used an 8 ball patch. I ran the table, put the 8 ball patch down within the first diamond of the corner, shot it in...and lost. Apparently part of the 8 ball patch was touching part of the diamond, and it is supposed to be 'within' the first diamond. They called it on me. I was pretty disgusted.

So then in the last round I needed 6 balls to secure a win, but we had to play out the game even though I didn't need to win the game to win us the match. I broke, thundered my way through the rack, ran down to the 8 ball, then since I'd already won I stared at them and put the patch directly on the first diamond again and shot the 8 ball in. Go ahead and all it on me again you a$$holes...

HawaiianEye
07-14-2016, 09:57 PM
I played in a league tournament in vegas once that used an 8 ball patch. I ran the table, put the 8 ball patch down within the first diamond of the corner, shot it in...and lost. Apparently part of the 8 ball patch was touching part of the diamond, and it is supposed to be 'within' the first diamond. They called it on me. I was pretty disgusted.

So then in the last round I needed 6 balls to secure a win, but we had to play out the game even though I didn't need to win the game to win us the match. I broke, thundered my way through the rack, ran down to the 8 ball, then since I'd already won I stared at them and put the patch directly on the first diamond again and shot the 8 ball in. Go ahead and all it on me again you a$$holes...

I had an azzhole do the same thing to me in a state tournament once. The ball was straight in and I called the pocket and asked him if I really needed to put a patch on the pocket and he says, "no, go ahead". So I shot it straight in and the azzhole then called the referee over and told him I didn't put the patch on the pocket and I lost that match and went into the loser's bracket.

couldnthinkof01
07-15-2016, 08:39 AM
Geez, is it really worth all that? I dont get it?

Competition always makes people a little funny.

justadub
07-15-2016, 08:51 AM
To answer the original question.....

Yes. Both win and lose.

Unless you only play call shot games exclusively, you cannot escape it. Probably even then, a fluke would still arise and still fall within the scope of the rules, tho far less often, of course.

stevekur1
07-15-2016, 09:11 AM
Not that it happens often in 14.1

One time I was in the season final playing a match to 150 I had 140 and my opponent was at 115, he missed the breakshot object ball went around the table 4 rails and into the called pocket while CB breaking the rack. My opportunity continues to run the 35 and out. Talk about a good roll. It was like the sea parted for that ball to go in, avoiding all of the traffic on the table.

I lost the match 150-140, perfect time to do it in the season finals !

Steve

fastone371
07-15-2016, 09:34 AM
What league is this so I can make sure I never join it? Any league that requires calling the 8-ball on an obvious shot needs to... well change its rules is the nice way to put it.

What is so hard about pointing to the pocket you intend to shoot the 8? I play in a BCA league and many tournaments, obvious or not I always, always point to the pocket I intend to deliver the 8. We don't need to call obvious shots, I always call banks and combos, many players don't but they should, especially combos where either 1 of the 2 balls could be pocketed, if both can go its not obvious. I have asked opponents to call future banks when banking, I had one say "well couldn't you tell I was lining up for a bank?" From where I was I could not tell what their plan was, especially because on the shot in question I would have cut the ball, not banked it. I also preach on all my team mates to call the 8 no matter how obvious. Why leave room for disagreements when it is so simple to point at a pocket?????

justadub
07-15-2016, 09:51 AM
What is so hard about pointing to the pocket you intend to shoot the 8? I play in a BCA league and many tournaments, obvious or not I always, always point to the pocket I intend to deliver the 8. We don't need to call obvious shots, I always call banks and combos, many players don't but they should, especially combos where either 1 of the 2 balls could be pocketed, if both can go its not obvious. I have asked opponents to call future banks when banking, I had one say "well couldn't you tell I was lining up for a bank?" From where I was I could not tell what their plan was, especially because on the shot in question I would have cut the ball, not banked it. I also preach on all my team mates to call the 8 no matter how obvious. Why leave room for disagreements when it is so simple to point at a pocket?????

This has amazed me for years..... It's like folks want to argue and fight and cause stress and conflict.....wait, is this AZB or called pockets I'm talking about? :p

Still, why can't folks understand that its a simple task to make it clear where it's supposed to go, for the sake of eliminating any possibility of a misunderstanding....exactly how difficult and demanding is it, anyway?

I know, I know....it's beneath "good" players, "cuz it should be obvious". Sheesh.

philly
07-15-2016, 09:58 AM
Although I wouldn't do it, I can understand the previous example (someone forgets to call the obvious pocket and is called on a foul), but your example would incite violence among many players. It is dishonest, and, in my view, unsportsmanlike behaviour. Not only would I not shake the player's hand, I would never speak to him.

Agreed. I could never accept that win. Wouldn't want it. I might say "Nice match but you should call the 8 next time. Those are the rules." That's why I have never played APA and probably never will.

AtLarge
07-15-2016, 10:57 AM
... Why leave room for disagreements when it is so simple to point at a pocket?????

But, apparently, even that is not good enough in the APA.

bazkook
07-15-2016, 12:53 PM
When I have to call a non-obvious shot I always make sure I call the pocket while looking at my opponent to make sure he or she acknowledges my intentions. I do not assume anything. When I was playing APA I began marking my 8-ball pocket after seeing incidents of players losing over a bulls*** rule. In addition to the example I gave in a previous post, I have heard of arguments resulting from a player clearly marking the 8-ball pocket with their own marker and making the 8-ball in the designated pocket with the opponent's marker at another pocket. I have witnessed arguments over using coins as a pocket marker. Petty things like this are the reason pool is not taken seriously as a sport. Many players are out to get over on someone by any means necessary instead of promoting sportsmanship and using common sense. Just my 2 cents. :D

bazkook
07-15-2016, 12:56 PM
But, apparently, even that is not good enough in the APA.

APA has some stupid rules but I can see the point in marking the pocket to make it definite.

AlienObserver
07-15-2016, 02:19 PM
Well, today I lost to an inferior player because of multiple lucky shots.
I was playing in a 9-ball tournament and my opponent was lucky af. It's not a high category tournament, it's a tournament where players are expected to make some (to a lot of) mistakes. I sure made my fair amount of them (failing to get good possision on the 9, missing a sitter 9 one other time due to preasure). The thing is that whenever my opponent made a mistake he was lucky enough to leave everything safe, snookering me about 13 times after missing a shot, one of those times missing the 8 ball and snookering me behind the 9...
I know that you should keep your cool when playing in a tournament but I couldn't help it and my focus was non existed, so I lost....