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pocket
07-13-2016, 03:12 PM
OB hinted at a new product release at the BCA show in Chicago. I can't find the thread but I was curious about it and looked at their facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/obcues/

It's called the "Digicue" and from what I gather it detects aberrant movement of the cue during the stroke, and prompts the user with a vibration. Attaches to the butt end with a rubber cup.

Interesting, what say you even headed minions of AZB?

DJSTEVEZ
07-13-2016, 04:34 PM
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RiverCity
07-13-2016, 04:42 PM
OB hinted at a new product release at the BCA show in Chicago. I can't find the thread but I was curious about it and looked at their facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/obcues/

It's called the "Digicue" and from what I gather it detects aberrant movement of the cue during the stroke, and prompts the user with a vibration. Attaches to the butt end with a rubber cup.

Interesting, what say you even headed minions of AZB?

Interesting concept. :thumbup:

BRussell
07-13-2016, 05:20 PM
I'm curious about what it measures. What gives an "error buzz?" Side-to-side movement, inconsistency in speed, jerky transition from back to forward swing?

pt109
07-13-2016, 05:32 PM
I don't think this device would help me...I deliberately cross stroke on a lot of shots.
...might like it as a practise device for hitting dead ball though.

shanesinnott
07-13-2016, 07:38 PM
I'm curious about what it measures. What gives an "error buzz?" Side-to-side movement, inconsistency in speed, jerky transition from back to forward swing?

More information on the DIGICUE will be on our website soon but here is a little more info for you:

DigiCue

A truly revolutionary electronic cue training device for improving player performance through stroke consistency and accuracy. Aligned with OB Cues mission to help players get serious about their game, this patent pending training aid will benefit novices and professionals alike.

Simply slide the DigiCue onto the butt end of your cue, push the power button and then play your game of choice. This device is like having your own personal coach giving you immediate feedback on every shot that you shoot by alerting you with vibrations when it detects any inconsistencies in your stroke.

Detects (with vibrations)
Jab strokes
Steering
Body english
Standing up during stroke

Features:
3 unique settings: novice, intermediate and advanced modes
Discreet and lightweight (less than an ounce)
Can be used both when you practice but most importantly, during competition
Comes with two sizes to fit the vast majority of Pool, Snooker, and Carom cues
Automatically shuts off after 5 minutes of not hitting a ball to maximize battery life
Battery included
Made in the USA

Cornerman
07-13-2016, 08:10 PM
OB hinted at a new product release at the BCA show in Chicago. I can't find the thread but I was curious about it and looked at their facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/obcues/

It's called the "Digicue" and from what I gather it detects aberrant movement of the cue during the stroke, and prompts the user with a vibration. Attaches to the butt end with a rubber cup.

Interesting, what say you even headed minions of AZB?

I'm an automation engineer. Sensor technology is my middle name. Or my 4th name.

This product works.

Freddie

BRussell
07-13-2016, 08:24 PM
More information on the DIGICUE will be on our website soon but here is a little more info for you:

DigiCue

A truly revolutionary electronic cue training device for improving player performance through stroke consistency and accuracy. Aligned with OB Cues mission to help players get serious about their game, this patent pending training aid will benefit novices and professionals alike.

Simply slide the DigiCue onto the butt end of your cue, push the power button and then play your game of choice. This device is like having your own personal coach giving you immediate feedback on every shot that you shoot by alerting you with vibrations when it detects any inconsistencies in your stroke.

Detects (with vibrations)
Jab strokes
Steering
Body english
Standing up during stroke

Features:
3 unique settings: novice, intermediate and advanced modes
Discreet and lightweight (less than an ounce)
Can be used both when you practice but most importantly, during competition
Comes with two sizes to fit the vast majority of Pool, Snooker, and Carom cues
Automatically shuts off after 5 minutes of not hitting a ball to maximize battery life
Battery included
Made in the USA
I'm looking forward to getting one. There are some pool players who don't believe in the importance of the kinds of movements measured by this device, in these kinds of fundamentals. They obviously wouldn't be interested in something like this, and that's OK.

But it makes a lot of sense to me that the kinds of things instructors focus on - smooth, straight strokes - could be measured like this. It can't help you to pocket a ball directly, but if the instructors who focus on fundamentals are right, I can see how it could help a lot to develop the kinds of good habits that this device will encourage.

Have you had instructors work with this and test it yet?

BmoreMoney
07-13-2016, 08:52 PM
Cool idea but I'm not very surprised to see it. If ever given the opportunity I'd probably try it out but here are my initial thoughts. With me this thing will go thru a hell of a lot of batteries lol. Body English is a given and no plans of ever changing that. Not even gonna get into my stroke. BUT, if I were using this in action I would be SCARED TO DEATH it will go off in the most inopportune times. Not kidding, just as I go to shoot a case ball, a hill hill 9er whatever - it will start buzzing . Imy guessing this is for practice only, so that means I'm out since I don't really practice. As with other training tools; as I've stated many times, I think this might be very good for a novice - someone very early on when they start playing. Anyway cool idea and don't know till ya try it right?

Kris_b1104
07-14-2016, 05:53 AM
Someone buy this for John Barton.

nataddrho
07-14-2016, 06:04 AM
Have you had instructors work with this and test it yet?

Yes. Joe Tucker and RandyG for starters. I'm sure they will chime in soon.

Colormegone2002
07-14-2016, 06:34 AM
Sounds like a really cool idea. The problem may come in the price for some people.

I would think a lot of R&D went into this product and it has to pay for itself.Therefor

I would think the price will reflect that. I'm looking forward to the day it releases and

I hope it's affordable for anyone who would love the chance to try this product.

RickLafayette
07-14-2016, 06:52 AM
I'll wait for a video of the sensor in action. If I like it, I buy it. I like the concept but am not able to visualize the sensor in action.

Chopdoc
07-14-2016, 07:08 AM
About four years ago, here on AZB, it was suggested to build accelerometers into such a unit for stroke analysis and training.


http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3782564&postcount=23



http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=289654




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slach
07-14-2016, 07:21 AM
Here's something a bit more high tech....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fataS3xjp6E

I'll wait for a video of the sensor in action. If I like it, I buy it. I like the concept but am not able to visualize the sensor in action.

bdorman
07-14-2016, 08:10 AM
I don't need a digital cue.

I need digital balls! Balls that detect that they are not heading to the pocket and correct themselves.

BRussell
07-14-2016, 08:39 AM
Here's something a bit more high tech....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fataS3xjp6E

I think the choice OB has made for theirs to be self-contained makes more sense and is more practical.

nataddrho
07-14-2016, 08:52 AM
I think the choice OB has made for theirs to be self-contained makes more sense and is more practical.

Exactly. The idea is that the player gets immediate feedback. He isn't distracted by the need to go look at statistics or a plot later on to see how he performed. DigiCue improves your stroke via classical conditioning, which over time form the basis of true change / improvement.

slach
07-14-2016, 11:19 AM
Exactly. The idea is that the player gets immediate feedback. He isn't distracted by the need to go look at statistics or a plot later on to see how he performed. DigiCue improves your stroke via classical conditioning, which over time form the basis of true change / improvement.

Actually the QMD does give you instant feedback, audible and/or vibration, when your stroke goes off line. It's sensitivity to off line movements is also adjustable to your personal preferences/skill level. Plus it automatically records graphic 3-d animations of your cue's movements that can be analyzed frame by frame if you'd like, on your smartphone or tablet, to pinpoint any problem areas in your stroke.

pocket
07-14-2016, 12:05 PM
Sounds like a really cool idea. The problem may come in the price for some people.

I would think a lot of R&D went into this product and it has to pay for itself.Therefor

I would think the price will reflect that. I'm looking forward to the day it releases and

I hope it's affordable for anyone who would love the chance to try this product.

I think Shane said it would be sub $100.

couldnthinkof01
07-14-2016, 12:14 PM
I would like them to have a bunch of top players test the product and show a correlation graph between them to see what similarities there are.

pocket
07-14-2016, 02:18 PM
Further fyi, per my email w OB, it will begin shipping 11/1

BRussell
07-14-2016, 04:41 PM
Further fyi, per my email w OB, it will begin shipping 11/1
It's on OB's website now and it says Oct. 31, so yeah, we e got a few months. I'm looking forward to seeing videos and other info about it over the next couple of months.

shanesinnott
07-25-2016, 01:08 PM
FYI, we just added a list of FAQ's to our website regarding the DigiCue: https://www.obcues.com/pages/DIGICUE-Billiard-Training-Aid-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html

banditgrrr
07-25-2016, 01:55 PM
I was in the OB booth at the Rio a couple days ago and decided to give this a try. I don't believe the feedback would happen until after contact is made with the cue. The vibration is very subtle. The only thing I have a concern about is that there's no feedback on why it's vibrated after a shot. I just read the FAQ's on the website and it looks like OB has considered this. I just don't know that when it only takes 1 second to make a shot, a vibration within that 1 second is going to help me determine exactly what I did wrong. It will tell me that I did something wrong, I'm just not sure that I'll know exactly what it was. Since there are 3 settings (novice, intermediate, advanced) I'm assuming that it's more sensitive with each setting. However, I'm a gadget guy and I bought one anyways.I'll be able to give a better review once it arrives in November but I'm hoping there's some way to get feedback on why it vibrates.

pocket
07-25-2016, 02:17 PM
...snip snip... but I'm hoping there's some way to get feedback on why it vibrates.

If nothing else, it will help focus your attention on your stroke.

JohnnyP
07-25-2016, 04:55 PM
I made a wired one in 2005:

http://jandssafeguard.com/PoolGizmo/Stroke-Alyzer.html

http://jandssafeguard.com/PoolGizmo/SensorMount.jpg

nataddrho
07-26-2016, 07:36 AM
I made a wired one in 2005:

http://jandssafeguard.com/PoolGizmo/Stroke-Alyzer.html

http://jandssafeguard.com/PoolGizmo/SensorMount.jpg

First of all, this is great!! It is similar to how I started, and I love the integration of the gameboy.

I noticed this quote from your page:
"I let the house pro at the local pool hall evaluate it, and he said he was concentrating more on making the shot than listening to the tone."

Some people have asked if the DigiCue vibrates differently for different stroke flaws. It turns out that we can be focused on our stroke and know whether or not we felt a DigiCue vibration without being distracted from the shot. But as soon as you try to pay attention to what type of vibration-pattern you get (or in your case, sound tone), you lose concentration on your shot. This is why DigiCue vibrates the same way for all flaws.

cleary
07-26-2016, 09:19 AM
Shane asked me to help him with a promo video of the product so in order to understand better how the product worked, I needed one. :)

This is one of their prototypes, it arrived in the mail yesterday.

Even at the lowest sensitivity, it takes good fundamentals to not make this thing vibrate. After a couple hours, it was vibrating less and I was pocketing better. I had to really focus on my fundamentals. Let's hope it can help me break some bad habits. So far, pretty cool product. I look forward to more testing.

http://i.imgur.com/uinw4pw.png

shanesinnott
07-26-2016, 09:39 AM
Shane asked me to help him with a promo video of the product so in order to understand better how the product worked, I needed one. :)

This is one of their prototypes, it arrived in the mail yesterday.

Even at the lowest sensitivity, it takes good fundamentals to not make this thing vibrate. After a couple hours, it was vibrating less and I was pocketing better. I had to really focus on my fundamentals. Let's hope it can help me break some bad habits. So far, pretty cool product. I look forward to more testing.

http://i.imgur.com/uinw4pw.png

Glad you like it Cleary. If it can help you, it can help anyone ;)

BRussell
07-26-2016, 10:18 AM
When you guys make your videos, one thing that would be convincing to me is if you had a recognized instructor (I think someone mentioned randyg earlier) attest that the device measures the kinds of flaws that he or she thinks are important. Or if not in videos, in some other marketing materials.

scottjen26
07-30-2016, 09:31 AM
I'm an instructor and just tried one yesterday. It was my first time playing since my recent surgery, so wasn't able to play very long or concentrate too hard on it, will try it again next week.

But initial impressions - it definitely does what it says. Very light, you barely notice it's there. I started on novice mode, I had to pretty much try to make it vibrate except on a few power shots where it did vibrate on me, probably from a lack of smoothness. For comparison, I gave it to another person to try who is a beginner, it vibrated almost every time and from watching them shoot I wasn't surprised... :)

I liked it best in intermediate mode. When I rushed my stroke or transition a little or tried to force the CB to create an angle etc., even though I made the shot if I wasn't smooth I got a little vibration which was perfect. It would be nice to know why, but I understand the reasoning behind not doing different vibrations or tones for different mistakes, and usually you know.

For me, the advanced mode was too sensitive for regular practice. My fundamentals are pretty solid (but certainly not perfect), and I found anything other than normal speed shots caused vibration. It took a really smooth stroke at speed to not cause vibration. Will try this some more as I heal up, maybe I wasn't balanced or moving somewhat since I wasn't able yet to get down fully in my stance. Would also like feedback from other top players if this was their experience as well, maybe I have something to work on... :) But this mode would be great to groove one's stroke in drills etc.

I also quickly tried to make it vibrate at the end of my short session. I purposely stopped my follow through abruptly, rushed my transition, lifted up, swerved, etc. Each and every time it vibrated. If someone has a somewhat natural pump-type stroke or uses carabao-style english you may get false positives. But for the vast majority of players who are trying to groove solid fundamentals this will alert you to some common flaws.


Overall nice product and a decent price. I will continue using it and provide more feedback as I get more experience with it. Would be great to have some decent players or instructors do some videos for the website, and I know they are working on instructions. Between these two things I think the product will be complete. First impressions very good!
Scott

justadub
07-30-2016, 10:18 AM
Glad you like it Cleary. If it can help you, it can help anyone ;)

Must really be working, have you seen him hit bank shots recently? :p

shanesinnott
08-01-2016, 09:14 AM
I'm an instructor and just tried one yesterday. It was my first time playing since my recent surgery, so wasn't able to play very long or concentrate too hard on it, will try it again next week.

But initial impressions - it definitely does what it says. Very light, you barely notice it's there. I started on novice mode, I had to pretty much try to make it vibrate except on a few power shots where it did vibrate on me, probably from a lack of smoothness. For comparison, I gave it to another person to try who is a beginner, it vibrated almost every time and from watching them shoot I wasn't surprised... :)

I liked it best in intermediate mode. When I rushed my stroke or transition a little or tried to force the CB to create an angle etc., even though I made the shot if I wasn't smooth I got a little vibration which was perfect. It would be nice to know why, but I understand the reasoning behind not doing different vibrations or tones for different mistakes, and usually you know.

For me, the advanced mode was too sensitive for regular practice. My fundamentals are pretty solid (but certainly not perfect), and I found anything other than normal speed shots caused vibration. It took a really smooth stroke at speed to not cause vibration. Will try this some more as I heal up, maybe I wasn't balanced or moving somewhat since I wasn't able yet to get down fully in my stance. Would also like feedback from other top players if this was their experience as well, maybe I have something to work on... :) But this mode would be great to groove one's stroke in drills etc.

I also quickly tried to make it vibrate at the end of my short session. I purposely stopped my follow through abruptly, rushed my transition, lifted up, swerved, etc. Each and every time it vibrated. If someone has a somewhat natural pump-type stroke or uses carabao-style english you may get false positives. But for the vast majority of players who are trying to groove solid fundamentals this will alert you to some common flaws.


Overall nice product and a decent price. I will continue using it and provide more feedback as I get more experience with it. Would be great to have some decent players or instructors do some videos for the website, and I know they are working on instructions. Between these two things I think the product will be complete. First impressions very good!
Scott

Glad you like the DigiCue Scott and thank you for the detailed review.

Icon of Sin
08-01-2016, 09:25 AM
Glad you like it Cleary. If it can help you, it can help anyone ;)

you obviously have not seen how well he can bank a ball...

BilliardGreg
08-31-2016, 07:14 AM
I would be more interested in having it store information in a memory chip or have it transfer the data via bluetooth.