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wincardona
07-14-2016, 10:22 AM
You can dice it, slice it, and chopp it, but at the end it will still come out as what it is.:wink: Reyes was and should be regarded as the best one pocket player that has ever played the game, period. Not only does his practically unblemished record insinuate that, his record against all the champions that he has played in the gambling arena also implies the same
.plus he spotted all of them, he just didn't beat them playing even he spotted all of them. For us to judge the greatness of Reyes off of this performance is simply plain stupid, short sighted, and frankly DISRESPECTFUL. (Pardon my spelling errors,thank you)


Lets move to the situation and look at it for what it actually is. To compete at the game of onepocket at the highest level requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina which Reyes falls short in all those areas, remember i'm speaking about competing at the highest level. Imo playing onepocket at the highest level is the toughest test for a player in comparrison to playing any other game played on a pool table. There is more stress on a player playing onepocket at this level because you must come with borderline tough shots to win games, stay in games, and steal games, and i'm speaking on a regular basis. If you watch onepocket closely played at the highest level you will see that the players are routinely shooting shots that carry immense pressure, shots that if they're missed could easily cost you the game, a game that you have possibly invested sometimes 20 to 30 minutes in mentally and physically battling to get the win. Think about it. Playing 9ball or 10ball games last maybe two or three minutes, it's easy to repair an error playing those games, not true playing onepocket.

Reyes is at least 61 years old, probably 62. I say this because his good friend and traveling partner Rolondo Vicente mentioned his age (62) in the elevator yesterday as we were going back to our rooms. My point is that a man 62 years of age is trying to compete against one of the best in the world playing a game that requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina, and play at a level that very few can, even in their prime. There's a huge difference when playing a race to 3 or 4 or 5, as opposed to 30, especially if you're 62 years of age..think about it.

Lets not judge Reyes off of this performance, instead lets applaud his courage and celebrate that he was the greatest ever and still battling at the age of 62.

Bill Incardona

couldnthinkof01
07-14-2016, 10:28 AM
The guy is the greatest player we have seen for 30+ years consistently, in almost every game played with a cue.

There is no argument.

Get_A_Grip
07-14-2016, 10:31 AM
Well said. And the tighter pockets makes the stress even that more pronounced, which can be readily seen on Efren during the match. He is just not comfortable out there with many of the shots, as evidenced by his jumping up and attempting to steer the ball on occasion.

As others have mentioned, Scott is playing quite well in this match. He's not forcing his shots, like he has had a history of doing in the past. Scott's shot-making thus far also appears much more solid than Efren's up to this point.

jasonlaus
07-14-2016, 10:32 AM
If this is played again next week we could see a complete reversal.
Jason

Eric.
07-14-2016, 10:34 AM
Time catches up to everyone. You can't take life too seriously, no one gets out alive, anyway.

From what I've seen, Efren may be the most well rounded and diverse skilled poolplayer in modern times. Except for the break, who kicks, banks, thin-cuts balls, plays position better than Efren did? I haven't even mentioned his creativity...

So, at the end of the day, is there really any debate on whether he is one of the greatest to play the game?


Eric

Skratch
07-14-2016, 10:34 AM
The guy is the greatest player we have seen for 30+ years consistently, in almost every game played with a cue.

There is no argument.

I consider Efren to be the greatest. Who does everyone think is #2 and how do their accomplishments compare?

couldnthinkof01
07-14-2016, 10:41 AM
Siegel has to be close

nick serdula
07-14-2016, 10:45 AM
You can dice it, slice it, and chopp it, but at the end it will still come out as what it is.:wink: Reyes was and should be regarded as the best one pocket player that has ever played the game, period. Not only does his practically unblemished record insinuate that, his record against all the champions that he has played in the gambling arena also implies the same
.plus he spotted all of them, he just didn't beat them playing even he spotted all of them. For us to judge the greatness of Reyes off of this performance is simply plain stupid, short sighted, and frankly DISRESPECTFUL. (Pardon my spelling errors,thank you)


Lets move to the situation and look at it for what it actually is. To compete at the game of onepocket at the highest level requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina which Reyes falls short in all those areas, remember i'm speaking about competing at the highest level. Imo playing onepocket at the highest level is the toughest test for a player in comparrison to playing any other game played on a pool table. There is more stress on a player playing onepocket at this level because you must come with borderline tough shots to win games, stay in games, and steal games, and i'm speaking on a regular basis. If you watch onepocket closely played at the highest level you will see that the players are routinely shooting shots that carry immense pressure, shots that if they're missed lcould easily cost you the game, a game that you have possibly invested sometimes 20 to 30 minutes in mentally and physically battling to get the win. Think about it. Playing 9ball or 10ball games last maybe two or three minutes, it's easy to repair an error playing those games, not true playing onepocket.

Reyes is at least 61 years old, probably 62. I say this because his good friend and traveling partner Rolondo Vicente mentioned his age (62) in the elevator yesterday as we were going back to our rooms. My point is that a man 62 years of age is trying to compete against one of the best in the world playing a game that requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina, and play at a level that very few can, even in their prime. There's a huge difference when playing a race to 3 or 4 or 5, as opposed to 30, especially if you're 62 years of age..think about it.

Lets not judge Reyes off of this performance, instead lets applaud his courage and celebrate that he was the greatest ever and still battling at the age of 62.

Bill Incardona

You make sure the other guy eats it. The way he attacks makes sure you eat it. That is the reflection of forethought. Pure talent and forethought. The probability being he will make you eat it.
Nick :)

JoeyA
07-14-2016, 10:50 AM
G.O.A.T.

JoeyA

chefjeff
07-14-2016, 11:06 AM
He's got a stroke that's way beyond amazing.

He was in town a few weeks ago and as I watched his stroking arm elbow, it didn't simply drop with his stroke, but melted into it somehow. It seemed to not drop but still went down during/after the hit. It's impossible to even describe it, but man, it sure works nicely.

I was thinking of just how many shots the guy has taken over the years to develop with such a stroke.

I'm assuming Scott won? Congratulations, Scott. All your work is paying off.


Jeff Livingston

Fast Lenny
07-14-2016, 11:14 AM
I agree Billy, his age has affected his nerves and that affects everything including shot making and cue ball control. I think he still fairs okay in tournaments but its different on the nerves then something like this where lots of money is at stake. Frost is no slouch and has Efren's number and has for many years now. I believe Scott plays different against Alex then he does with Efren and many other players.

I think Scott a few years ago was playing better then he is now but he certainly could be back to where he was and even better. He rarely practices which I think would help him his game out to get out any little mechanics quirks, also getting out and playing more events outside of one pocket like he did last year. I know he won't be doing either as he is working on the poolroom that will be opening in a few months but hope he still plays some events with one pocket because he is exciting to watch.

I think this will be the last time we see Frost and Efren match up for some cash. I don't think Efren will take a spot either which he probably needs from Scott, Alex and maybe Tony. Crazy to think he might need a spot. :eek:

asiasdad
07-14-2016, 11:31 AM
.

I think this will be the last time we see Frost and Efren match up for some cash. I don't think Efren will take a spot either which he probably needs from Scott, Alex and maybe Tony. Crazy to think he might need a spot. :eek:


It is far better for the legend to not take a spot and keep
the legacy of being the king eternal.

It would also be a very astute move for the king to play
much shorter races for the cash in the future.

Who would want to tangle with Efren in a race to 3 for 20K
for example after his last 2 consecutive wins on Accu-stats
Make It Happen ?

Ken_4fun
07-14-2016, 11:43 AM
Efren is the best I have ever seen period.

Scott Frost, kinda reminds me of your own children. IMO, he didnt take the DCC One-Pocket seriously or seriously enough. He should have won at least two more titles and maybe three.

But I can understand that Scott's skills can waiver as there isnt enough tournaments and matches to keep him at the top of his game.

Ken

boogeyman
07-14-2016, 12:17 PM
The guy is the greatest player we have seen for 30+ years consistently, in almost every game played with a cue.

There is no argument.

I totally agree with your statement, couldthinkof.

watchez
07-14-2016, 12:36 PM
Billy - you mentioned yesterday that Efren won 3? DCC One pocket titles, besting fields of 300-400 players, in a race to 3. And from my memory, when he won, he destroyed the fields. It wasn't even close. Besides Scott, who has challenged and beat Efren playing even one pocket the last 30 years. For someone like SJDick to state that 'some one pocket players don't hit their prime to 60' is probably one of the dumbest comments I have ever read on AZ. If that is the case, where are all of these great over 60 one pocket players the past 30 years. They all should have stepped up and played Efren some.

Tooler
07-14-2016, 12:43 PM
Great post Bill.

It's really hard watching him struggle with the CB. I think if they would of played this before the MIH, things may of been different. The man has been playing non stop for 2 months. He's tired. And without a doubt, he's not happy with the table. I'm glad he switched sides last night. It seemed to help his break.

Probably wished he would of done it earlier, lol.

Scott's got a very comfortable lead, and is playing better than Efren "today", but if anyone can climb the mountain, it's Efren.

Right now, everything is going Scott's way, and he is a great player, but what happen's if that changes just a little....? We've all seen it before.


Come on Bata, dig in, and get those last 21 games.:eek:





I consider Efren to be the greatest. Who does everyone think is #2 and how do their accomplishments compare?


Ronnie Allen and the original "Power One Pocket":cool:

pt109
07-14-2016, 12:46 PM
Billy - you mentioned yesterday that Efren won 3? DCC One pocket titles, besting fields of 300-400 players, in a race to 3. And from my memory, when he won, he destroyed the fields. It wasn't even close. Besides Scott, who has challenged and beat Efren playing even one pocket the last 30 years. For someone like SJDick to state that 'some one pocket players don't hit their prime to 60' is probably one of the dumbest comments I have ever read on AZ. If that is the case, where are all of these great over 60 one pocket players the past 30 years. They all should have stepped up and played Efren some.

Efren has won SIX one-hole titles at the DCC.....
...gonna be hard to beat....kinda like the 18 majors of Nicklaus

watchez
07-14-2016, 12:48 PM
Efren has won SIX one-hole titles at the DCC.....
...gonna be hard to beat....kinda like the 18 majors of Nicklaus

See I am not even 60 yet and I can't remember.

I agree I don't see anyone topping that mark.

gxman
07-14-2016, 12:53 PM
Efren gets weight playing against 2nd tier phillipine pool players playing 9b/10b now.

watchez
07-14-2016, 12:59 PM
Efren gets weight playing against 2nd tier phillipine pool players playing 9b/10b now.

And your point is, besides the fact that again he is 62....

Nick B
07-14-2016, 01:00 PM
I noticed this when I watched (in person) the last SVB - Reyes TAR match. When Efren is really focused on a shot he looks like a Lynx. His eyebrows curl up from the outer edges. In the beginning of day one he was all Lynx and lost any way. As the days rolled on the Lynx appeared less and less. Age effects everyone differently and his time has come. Thankfully for Efren on the last day SVB had a lapse of concentration and the old guy got away with stealing the One Pocket.

Exhibit A: Picture of Efren during IPT days in full Lynx mode. During this match the Lynx is dead.

wincardona
07-14-2016, 01:06 PM
I believe that I said that Reyes won 6 DCC onepocket championships in a race to 3 with fields of 300 to 400 players. If not then i'm saying it now.

Billy Incardona

GideonF
07-14-2016, 01:22 PM
I believe that I said that Reyes won 6 DCC onepocket championships in a race to 3 with fields of 300 to 400 players. If not then i'm saying it now.

Billy Incardona

You did say it, Billy. The post above was correcting someone else who said 3.

bad_hit
07-14-2016, 01:24 PM
"Hey who the heck is this Cesar Morales guy? He can really play!"

Definitely the best ever, and it ain't even close.

WildWing
07-14-2016, 01:41 PM
One pocket, agree. Some said best in all games. Perhaps a little perspective. In straight pool, there were Greanleaf, Mosconi, Mizerak, Sigel, and.others with more tournament records. Nine ball, over the years, I still have a hard time arguing that Earl wasn't the best. Opinions vary.

All the best,
WW

M.G.
07-14-2016, 01:45 PM
... game of onepocket at the highest level requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina

Yep, from the spectator - to not fall asleep after 5 minutes :grin:

SJDinPHX
07-14-2016, 02:43 PM
.....My point is that a man 62 years of age is trying to compete against one of the best in the world playing a game that requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina, and play at a level that very few can, even in their prime. There's a huge difference when playing a race to 3 or 4 or 5, as opposed to 30, especially if you're 62 years of age..think about it. Lets not judge Reyes off of this performance, instead lets applaud his courage and celebrate that he was the greatest ever and still battling at the age of 62.

Bill Incardona

I certainly agree with everything you said Bill..Our main bone of contention has been what you admitted in the above sentence I emboldened!..Short sets will never take the place of lengthy gambling match-ups, in determining the best 1P player!.. I have always had the utmost respect for all of Efren's accomplishments, and his courage, as he nears the end of his career.

Your intelligent observations come from years in the trenches, and a true love for the game..I would hope you feel the same about me!..Our minor discord is just that, very minor!..We seem to have a few self-proclaimed experts, (like Watchez) who like to stir the pot, by trying to impress people, but only show how little they really know about competitive pool, at its highest level!

Let me propose a truce..I'll give you Effie being the best one pocket player ever, if you'll just admit that he didn't get there by 'knowing the game' all that well!.. Hows that for a good way to end all this silly jangling? :thumbup:

Still your friend (I hope)

Dick

TATE
07-14-2016, 03:35 PM
I hate to see Efren's game decline. What I hate the most is to see the look of frustration and disappointment on his face. He looks tired and beaten. He has so much heart and is such a legendary pool player, but every reign must end some time.

Anybody who doesn't think Efren is one of the greatest players of all time including greatest one pocket players ever - is simply uninformed.

Not to take anything away from Scott - he is playing amazingly well.

GreenFeltguy
07-14-2016, 04:45 PM
The Skinny was Earl Heisler's favorite saying, haven't heard it since he died. Agree Efren best player ever and still capable of great play but playing tired as we all have done on occasion. He will be back, got a champion's heart !!!!

Skratch
07-14-2016, 07:24 PM
The Skinny was Earl Heisler's favorite saying, haven't heard it since he died. Agree Efren best player ever and still capable of great play but playing tired as we all have done on occasion. He will be back, got a champion's heart !!!!

With the current format he should still win a couple more 1P titles. The difference I see in his game is the consistency. We all know he's got the stroke, the wisdom, the inventiveness, but he lacks the one thing that all the current Pros have, Consistency. I'm sure he's still focused, but time has worn him down. I hate to say it, I think he should retire. Teach instead. Bring up the next generation of great players, and pass along what he knows. He's already in the HOF. Who can match his numerous titles, and records? What I'm getting at is what is there left for him to do in the sport? What does he have left to prove? He's already in the hearts and minds of today's players as the greatest if not one of them. We are lucky to have seen him play, and have it recorded for everyone to see his skills. ....With all this said....Thank you Efren!

JB Cases
07-14-2016, 10:51 PM
You can dice it, slice it, and chopp it, but at the end it will still come out as what it is.:wink: Reyes was and should be regarded as the best one pocket player that has ever played the game, period. Not only does his practically unblemished record insinuate that, his record against all the champions that he has played in the gambling arena also implies the same
.plus he spotted all of them, he just didn't beat them playing even he spotted all of them. For us to judge the greatness of Reyes off of this performance is simply plain stupid, short sighted, and frankly DISRESPECTFUL. (Pardon my spelling errors,thank you)


Lets move to the situation and look at it for what it actually is. To compete at the game of onepocket at the highest level requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina which Reyes falls short in all those areas, remember i'm speaking about competing at the highest level. Imo playing onepocket at the highest level is the toughest test for a player in comparrison to playing any other game played on a pool table. There is more stress on a player playing onepocket at this level because you must come with borderline tough shots to win games, stay in games, and steal games, and i'm speaking on a regular basis. If you watch onepocket closely played at the highest level you will see that the players are routinely shooting shots that carry immense pressure, shots that if they're missed could easily cost you the game, a game that you have possibly invested sometimes 20 to 30 minutes in mentally and physically battling to get the win. Think about it. Playing 9ball or 10ball games last maybe two or three minutes, it's easy to repair an error playing those games, not true playing onepocket.

Reyes is at least 61 years old, probably 62. I say this because his good friend and traveling partner Rolondo Vicente mentioned his age (62) in the elevator yesterday as we were going back to our rooms. My point is that a man 62 years of age is trying to compete against one of the best in the world playing a game that requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina, and play at a level that very few can, even in their prime. There's a huge difference when playing a race to 3 or 4 or 5, as opposed to 30, especially if you're 62 years of age..think about it.

Lets not judge Reyes off of this performance, instead lets applaud his courage and celebrate that he was the greatest ever and still battling at the age of 62.

Bill Incardona

Tap Tap Tap.

From your tape, after naming a bunch of great players and one major thing you learned from each of them you said, "Efren Reyes, I learned not to play him"

Your insight and wisdom is always welcome and deeply appreciated. One Pocket is clearly the deepest pool game. If I learned anything from my "big" match it's that San Jose Dick was right....you can almost never learn all the moves and shots you need to know because the ones you practice today might not come up for months in one pocket. I was fortunate enough to get some good advice that elevated my one pocket game a lot but also informed me of the vast amount I don't know.

So when I see Efren still competitive at his age and we contrast it with how good he actually is now.....i.e. it STILL takes the very best to beat him....with how unbelievably good he played in comparison to the best in his age bracket in their primes......it's clear to me that this is indeed a TRUE case of watching a man who has forgotten more about one pocket than I will ever know.

To that I will leave you with this;

My friend's uncle is busy converting a bunch of our old AccuStats tapes to DVD since none of us know how to operate a VCR anymore . He knows nothing about pool. But he literally has to watch every match to check the quality of the conversion.

A few months ago he brought a few dvds in and said, "one thing I have noticed while watching these matches is that this Efren Reyes is an above average player."

ibuycues
07-14-2016, 11:22 PM
One pocket, agree. Some said best in all games. Perhaps a little perspective. In straight pool, there were Greanleaf, Mosconi, Mizerak, Sigel, and.others with more tournament records. Nine ball, over the years, I still have a hard time arguing that Earl wasn't the best. Opinions vary.

All the best,
WW


Nice post. Spot on. (Might add Nick Varner to the mix.)
Will Prout

SJDinPHX
07-15-2016, 12:11 AM
......Bill, your insight and wisdom is always welcome and deeply appreciated. One Pocket is clearly the deepest pool game. If I learned anything from my "big" match it's that San Jose Dick was right....you can almost never learn all the moves and shots you need to know because the ones you practice today might not come up for months in one pocket. I was fortunate enough to get some good advice that elevated my one pocket game a lot but also informed me of the vast amount I don't know......

Thanks for the plug John..The other thing you should have learned from me, is practicing is the greatest time waster ever invented!..Staying in action, (even if you make an occasional bad game) is how you really improve your skill at anything!..Hope to see you and Lou hook up again..I see you are trying your best to get it on!

Good Luck! :wink:

PS..I think Lou is pissed at me, because I warned him not to bet on Efren..I was one game off...
I predicted well before they played, that Effie would not get to 16 games! :rolleyes:

JAM
07-15-2016, 03:32 AM
Great thread and so true. BTW, Efren will be 62 on August 26th, next month. We're basically the same age. :embarrassed2:

My other half watched Tony Chohan playing recently on a live stream in California and said Tony is moving the balls effortlessly and better than he's ever seen Tony play. In fact, he said Tony might just be the best one-hole player in the world right now based on his California performance.

A good match-up for sure would be Scott and Tony down the road. :cool:

wincardona
07-15-2016, 04:43 AM
I certainly agree with everything you said Bill..Our main bone of contention has been what you admitted in the above sentence I emboldened!..Short sets will never take the place of lengthy gambling match-ups, in determining the best 1P player!.. I have always had the utmost respect for all of Efren's accomplishments, and his courage, as he nears the end of his career.

Your intelligent observations come from years in the trenches, and a true love for the game..I would hope you feel the same about me!..Our minor discord is just that, very minor!..We seem to have a few self-proclaimed experts, (like Watchez) who like to stir the pot, by trying to impress people, but only show how little they really know about competitive pool, at its highest level!

Let me propose a truce..I'll give you Effie being the best one pocket player ever, if you'll just admit that he didn't get there by 'knowing the game' all that well!.. Hows that for a good way to end all this silly jangling? :thumbup:

Still your friend (I hope)

Dick
Dick, of course i'm still your friend i'm not going to allow your short sighteness (is that a correct spelling?) get in the way of our friendship, unless you're really serious about Efren not being the greatest, whi h he clearly is
.imo..

When I said however you slice it, dice it, and chopp it, it's still going to come out for what it is. There's no denying that his accomplishments in the game of onepocket stands alone above all others both in the tournament and gambling arena's and that must be respected. If we can't use that as the true barometer to judge this debate off of then I have nothing else to add to this debate, we are at an impasse.

Oh, by the way, thank you for your graciousness, my friend.

Bill Incardona

SJDinPHX
07-15-2016, 05:12 AM
Dick, of course i'm still your friend i'm not going to allow your short sighteness (is that a correct spelling?) get in the way of our friendship, unless you're really serious about Efren not being the greatest, which he clearly is. imo

When I said however you slice it, dice it, and chopp it, it's still going to come out for what it is. There's no denying that his accomplishments in the game of onepocket stands alone above all others both in the tournament and gambling arena's and that must be respected. If we can't use that as the true barometer to judge this debate off of then I have nothing else to add to this debate, we are at an impasse.

Oh, by the way, thank you for your graciousness, my friend.

Bill Incardona

Fair enough Billy!..But you must admit, I know a thing or two about getting old!....It sucks! :(
..I guess I think of Efren, as still a young pup!

(BTW, you misspelled 'chop'..only one 'p')..:D :D :D

336Robin
07-15-2016, 05:15 AM
If you hadn't said any of what you did, all of it would still be true and on top of all of that, the guy is best representative in professionalism and friendliness to the player that the sport has probably ever had.

To be able to sit down with a guy like that and talk to him just about anything would be so great, wouldn't have to be about pool, he just seems a real human being. That's the kind of person that makes a true hero. What a guy.

You can dice it, slice it, and chopp it, but at the end it will still come out as what it is.:wink: Reyes was and should be regarded as the best one pocket player that has ever played the game, period. Not only does his practically unblemished record insinuate that, his record against all the champions that he has played in the gambling arena also implies the same
.plus he spotted all of them, he just didn't beat them playing even he spotted all of them. For us to judge the greatness of Reyes off of this performance is simply plain stupid, short sighted, and frankly DISRESPECTFUL. (Pardon my spelling errors,thank you)


Lets move to the situation and look at it for what it actually is. To compete at the game of onepocket at the highest level requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina which Reyes falls short in all those areas, remember i'm speaking about competing at the highest level. Imo playing onepocket at the highest level is the toughest test for a player in comparrison to playing any other game played on a pool table. There is more stress on a player playing onepocket at this level because you must come with borderline tough shots to win games, stay in games, and steal games, and i'm speaking on a regular basis. If you watch onepocket closely played at the highest level you will see that the players are routinely shooting shots that carry immense pressure, shots that if they're missed could easily cost you the game, a game that you have possibly invested sometimes 20 to 30 minutes in mentally and physically battling to get the win. Think about it. Playing 9ball or 10ball games last maybe two or three minutes, it's easy to repair an error playing those games, not true playing onepocket.

Reyes is at least 61 years old, probably 62. I say this because his good friend and traveling partner Rolondo Vicente mentioned his age (62) in the elevator yesterday as we were going back to our rooms. My point is that a man 62 years of age is trying to compete against one of the best in the world playing a game that requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina, and play at a level that very few can, even in their prime. There's a huge difference when playing a race to 3 or 4 or 5, as opposed to 30, especially if you're 62 years of age..think about it.

Lets not judge Reyes off of this performance, instead lets applaud his courage and celebrate that he was the greatest ever and still battling at the age of 62.

Bill Incardona

SJDinPHX
07-15-2016, 05:50 AM
If you hadn't said any of what you did, all of it would still be true and on top of all of that, the guy is best representative in professionalism and friendliness to the player that the sport has probably ever had.

To be able to sit down with a guy like that and talk to him just about anything would be so great, wouldn't have to be about pool, he just seems a real human being. That's the kind of person that makes a true hero. What a guy.

Very well said Robin..He is definitely a great human being..If he were so inclined, he could be president of the Philipines..He is loved and respected over there, even more than here!..Probably because they don't play much one pocket in the PI..;) ;) ;)..(JK Bill)

JAM
07-15-2016, 06:13 AM
Fair enough Billy!..But you must admit, I know a thing or two about getting old!....It sucks!
..I guess I think of Efren, as still a young pup!

(BTW, you misspelled 'chop'..only one 'p')

Well, if we're going to point out errors, you use the double quote when quoting words, not single quote, unless you're in England. Americans use the double quote. :D

As well, always insert a comma before a direct address. It should be "Fair enough, Billy." A comma should be inserted after "enough" and before "Billy." :wink:

In your other recent post, Philippines had two p's, just so you know. :grin-square:

I usually ignore the errors on posts on a pool forum, even though they really stick out like a sore thumb to my eye. If somebody brings up spelling, though, I put my proofreader hat on. :eek::grin::o;):)

JAM
07-15-2016, 06:15 AM
Very well said Robin..He is definitely a great human being..If he were so inclined, he could be president of the Philipines..He is loved and respected over there, even more than here!..Probably because they don't play much one pocket in the PI..;) ;) ;)..(JK Bill)

And please refrain from all the ellipses. It's goofy to use so many ellipses in normal colloquy. An ellipsis should be used to indicate missing text in a quote or a trailing-off of the spoken word.

Kris_b1104
07-15-2016, 06:37 AM
If Efren was the best, and Scott just beat him, but Alex beat Scott, does that mean Alex is currently the best one pocket player?

Or Lou Figueroa?

cleary
07-15-2016, 07:17 AM
You can dice it, slice it, and chopp it, but at the end it will still come out as what it is.:wink: Reyes was and should be regarded as the best one pocket player that has ever played the game, period. Not only does his practically unblemished record insinuate that, his record against all the champions that he has played in the gambling arena also implies the same
.plus he spotted all of them, he just didn't beat them playing even he spotted all of them. For us to judge the greatness of Reyes off of this performance is simply plain stupid, short sighted, and frankly DISRESPECTFUL. (Pardon my spelling errors,thank you)


Lets move to the situation and look at it for what it actually is. To compete at the game of onepocket at the highest level requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina which Reyes falls short in all those areas, remember i'm speaking about competing at the highest level. Imo playing onepocket at the highest level is the toughest test for a player in comparrison to playing any other game played on a pool table. There is more stress on a player playing onepocket at this level because you must come with borderline tough shots to win games, stay in games, and steal games, and i'm speaking on a regular basis. If you watch onepocket closely played at the highest level you will see that the players are routinely shooting shots that carry immense pressure, shots that if they're missed could easily cost you the game, a game that you have possibly invested sometimes 20 to 30 minutes in mentally and physically battling to get the win. Think about it. Playing 9ball or 10ball games last maybe two or three minutes, it's easy to repair an error playing those games, not true playing onepocket.

Reyes is at least 61 years old, probably 62. I say this because his good friend and traveling partner Rolondo Vicente mentioned his age (62) in the elevator yesterday as we were going back to our rooms. My point is that a man 62 years of age is trying to compete against one of the best in the world playing a game that requires top skills, strong nerves, and stamina, and play at a level that very few can, even in their prime. There's a huge difference when playing a race to 3 or 4 or 5, as opposed to 30, especially if you're 62 years of age..think about it.

Lets not judge Reyes off of this performance, instead lets applaud his courage and celebrate that he was the greatest ever and still battling at the age of 62.

Bill Incardona

I agree but also, Scott played great.

SSach
07-15-2016, 07:29 AM
By saying Efren is the best to play the game, should not take away from Scott Frost and his performance in this match up. Scott played well and the outcome proves that he is indeed on the short list of top players in one-pocket today.

As far as Efren goes, there is not much more proving that needs to be done on his part. He lost this match but I doubt that will taint his legacy as one of the best to play the game. He changed the game with his ball movement, billiard knowledge and overall creativity.

Instead of the negativity, we should all be grateful that we are still able to witness the living legend play the game.

poolwhiz
07-15-2016, 08:07 AM
Anybody that knows Efren knows this. He probably travels more than any other player. Country to country. When in the states,he's always in tournaments or in action.Constantly.He is in demand everywhere. He feels obligated to be at these places.To do all that at his age is very demanding. I admire him for that. I agree- GOAT.

Duane Remick
07-15-2016, 09:49 AM
By saying Efren is the best to play the game, should not take away from Scott Frost and his performance in this match up. Scott played well and the outcome proves that he is indeed on the short list of top players in one-pocket today.

As far as Efren goes, there is not much more proving that needs to be done on his part. He lost this match but I doubt that will taint his legacy as one of the best to play the game. He changed the game with his ball movement, billiard knowledge and overall creativity.

Instead of the negativity, we should all be grateful that we are still able to witness the living legend play the game.

great post .... :smile:

book collector
07-15-2016, 10:10 AM
I feel privileged to have been able to watch Efren play so many times against so many different styles of players.
His imagination and mastery of difficult shots is truly amazing and unique.
You almost have to throw the word "Flyer" out the window , when it is him shooting , Because he almost always does what he intended, and gets better results, than anyone else could have imagined.
I wish him all the best in his return home, I hope he knows how much we , the American pool players, appreciate him.

Rusty C
07-15-2016, 01:42 PM
As old and washed up as Efren is now I would bet that Scott could win playing 9 ball

SJDinPHX
07-15-2016, 05:24 PM
And please refrain from all the ellipses. It's goofy to use so many ellipses in normal colloquy. An ellipsis should be used to indicate missing text in a quote or a trailing-off of the spoken word.

Sorry (Jam)...You (are) going (way) to (fast) for (me)..""I don't even know what "elipse" or "colloquy" mean"" ;)

PS..Keith and I speak the same language..Whyancha lemme talk to him? :thumbup:

Kickin' Chicken
07-15-2016, 06:07 PM
with freaking luggage hanging off his back. :bow-down::bow-down::bow-down::bow-down::bow-down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9pKzgzuPhA

JoeyInCali
07-15-2016, 06:09 PM
If Efren was the best, and Scott just beat him, but Alex beat Scott, does that mean Alex is currently the best one pocket player?

Or Lou Figueroa?

I think so.
Specially on 4" pockets at Hard Times. :D

robsnotes4u
07-15-2016, 06:32 PM
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onepocketron
07-15-2016, 09:13 PM
Just like any other sport, you get old, skills diminish to some degree. I know at 62 I don't play like I did when I was 50 that is for sure. At Efren's age, shorter races would be better in my view as I would bet he doesn't have the stamina he did in years past.

I remember in Vegas one year he overslept and was late to a match for 9 ball. By the time he arrived, they had given his opponent 4 games on the wire (one game every 5 minutes). When he entered the room, the house came down. Folks were on their feet cheering and screaming. There will never be another Efren. He is one of a kind.

In my view he is the best, and by far the most creative one pocket player to play the game. He is the Ronnie O'Sullivan of the pool world, and that is saying something. When he arrives, people get excited because they know they very well might see something very special and exciting.

onepocketron
07-15-2016, 09:19 PM
Fair enough Billy!..But you must admit, I know a thing or two about getting old!....It sucks! :(
..I guess I think of Efren, as still a young pup!

(BTW, you misspelled 'chop'..only one 'p')..:D :D :D

It may suck, but my guess is it beats NOT getting older. :)