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Jim Baxter
07-20-2016, 02:09 PM
I love this stuff . Inlays , Hoppy rings , joint collors , have not tried Ferrels yet , but I did a ink pen that was sold as soon as I finished it .

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/jbaxte/P7201705_zpsuq8zwar8.jpg (http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jbaxte/media/P7201705_zpsuq8zwar8.jpg.html)

mnb
07-20-2016, 02:12 PM
very nice

what is the material called?

Jim Baxter
07-20-2016, 02:15 PM
Arvorin , sold here on AZ in cue parts and machinery . Love the stuff .

Fast Lenny
07-20-2016, 02:28 PM
Looks nice. I like it. :)

WildWing
07-20-2016, 03:16 PM
Very nice grain look and color.

All the best,
WW

Jim Baxter
07-20-2016, 04:02 PM
Thanks to all............

GoldCrown
07-20-2016, 04:03 PM
I love this stuff . Inlays , Hoppy rings , joint collors , have not tried Ferrels yet , but I did a ink pen that was sold as soon as I finished it .
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Looking good...like everything else you do. Would you mind posting the link pen?
Thanks, Frank

Tommy-D
07-20-2016, 04:09 PM
On a recent trip to Nashville,I checked out the Woodcraft store and found a "faux ivory acrylic rod" that looks a LOT like this.

I plan on using it to make a ferrule and see how it works out. Tommy D.

gregnice37
07-20-2016, 05:41 PM
The million dollar question is does it hit like ivory. I like ivory more for the hit than looks.

Str8PoolPlayer
07-20-2016, 06:06 PM
Jim, will this material endure being used as a Joint ? I have a beautiful szamboti tribute with a cracked ivory joint.

ceebee
07-20-2016, 06:08 PM
Hi.. ceebee here. Me & Guido would like to buy some of this stuff, but couldn't find the link to buy.

We're ready to buy....

metalware10
07-20-2016, 06:41 PM
Hi.. ceebee here. Me & Guido would like to buy some of this stuff, but couldn't find the link to buy.

We're ready to buy....

I'm selling the Arvorin on AZ and eBay since last year, check the link below.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=404981

Thanks

Perry
Www.cuefits.com

BmoreMoney
07-20-2016, 06:47 PM
I love this stuff . Inlays , Hoppy rings , joint collors , have not tried Ferrels yet , but I did a ink pen that was sold as soon as I finished it .

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/jbaxte/P7201705_zpsuq8zwar8.jpg (http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jbaxte/media/P7201705_zpsuq8zwar8.jpg.html)

Jim I am a novice with these kinda things so please don't take the wrong way I'm only asking , is this substitute the top whitesh part of the JP?. I ask because I can't recall any of my ivory having that much pronounced figuring. Am I looking at the wrong part?

cuesblues
07-20-2016, 07:00 PM
Jim I am a novice with these kinda things so please don't take the wrong way I'm only asking , is this substitute the top whitesh part of the JP?. I ask because I can't recall any of my ivory having that much pronounced figuring. Am I looking at the wrong part?

I messaged the seller, I just bought some rod that wasn't figured enough
Maybe I could mix them together

BmoreMoney
07-20-2016, 07:06 PM
I messaged the seller, I just bought some rod that wasn't figured enough
Maybe I could mix them together

I have 0 idea, what does that entail?

Jim Baxter
07-20-2016, 07:12 PM
Here is the pen .

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/jbaxte/Wood%20Pen/P9270278_zps17107ceq.jpg (http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jbaxte/media/Wood%20Pen/P9270278_zps17107ceq.jpg.html)

The figure does not show in picture , but it was beautiful .

Jim Baxter
07-20-2016, 07:15 PM
I send a PM , he answeres with in a day , I pm what I want , he sends me a invoice by paypal , I pay 6-8 days later I got my stuff , From China . I just received 7 rods in joint size . I am not thinking of selling my supply . Dealing with Perry works very good .

cuesblues
07-20-2016, 07:51 PM
I send a PM , he answeres with in a day , I pm what I want , he sends me a invoice by paypal , I pay 6-8 days later I got my stuff , From China . I just received 7 rods in joint size . I am not thinking of selling my supply . Dealing with Perry works very good .

I ordered 2-ferrule rods and a joint rod

2-each 15mm x 300mm / .590 x 12.0
1-each 25mm x 300mm / .980 x 12.0

Thanks for the tip Baxter

Jim Baxter
07-20-2016, 07:58 PM
Any time , use sharp tools , don't get to aggresive .

WildWing
07-20-2016, 10:12 PM
Jim I am a novice with these kinda things so please don't take the wrong way I'm only asking , is this substitute the top whitesh part of the JP?. I ask because I can't recall any of my ivory having that much pronounced figuring. Am I looking at the wrong part?

Depending on where you are on the tusk, the ivory grain varies. Close to the nerve, the grain is very broad, resembling thick slabs, for lack of a better term. Then, the grain pattern becomes thin sections, or lines, resembling somewhat the sample in the picture. Going farther from the nerve, the grain pattern goes back to resembling thicker slabs, sometimes hard to see, especially in a small piece, such as a ferrule. If you've ever seen an ivory cue ball, you can see all the differences in the grain pattern.

Although a bit difficult to describe, hope this helps. The sample pics somewhat resemble the usual ivory grain pattern approximately 1 1/8 inch from the nerve of the tusk.

All the best,
WW

Big-Tattoo
07-20-2016, 11:25 PM
Can't wait to get mine from Jim:wink:

mortuarymike-nv
07-20-2016, 11:43 PM
The figure or grain doesn't go all the way through material .
I am using a live cutter to cut mine .
The material seem pretty hard .
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pipe7_zpsg2jyhoir.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pipe7_zpsg2jyhoir.jpg.html)
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/Pipe%204_zpsweduz18q.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/Pipe%204_zpsweduz18q.jpg.html)
You can see the grain doesn't run all the way through the material .
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pipe1_zps8g3mqklv.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pipe1_zps8g3mqklv.jpg.html)
It doesn't match Ivory ................
In other words if you had a broken ivory joint , this fake ivory will not match the color of natural ivory used other places in the cue.

Jim Baxter
07-21-2016, 09:35 AM
Mike that is Very cool , but what the hell is it .

mortuarymike-nv
07-21-2016, 09:52 AM
Mike that is Very cool , but what the hell is it .

Pretty sure its a pot pipe, least it hits like one ;)

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pipe_zpsyvddflgw.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pipe_zpsyvddflgw.jpg.html)

A customers wife wanted a custom pipe made that matches her husbands pool cue.
I have been making native American pipes and flutes for a few years .

Bigredford4me
07-22-2016, 07:36 PM
Mike, that is really neat!

mortuarymike-nv
07-22-2016, 08:02 PM
Mike, that is really neat!

Thanks .

I like making pipes because I can make them different shapes ( No rule )

mortuarymike-nv
07-22-2016, 08:10 PM
On a recent trip to Nashville,I checked out the Woodcraft store and found a "faux ivory acrylic rod" that looks a LOT like this.

I plan on using it to make a ferrule and see how it works out. Tommy D.

I use allot of deer and elk antler .
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pool%20cuemine_zpsawl27vbh.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pool%20cuemine_zpsawl27vbh.jpg.html)

ROB.M
07-22-2016, 08:32 PM
The figure or grain doesn't go all the way through material .
I am using a live cutter to cut mine .
The material seem pretty hard .
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pipe7_zpsg2jyhoir.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pipe7_zpsg2jyhoir.jpg.html)
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/Pipe%204_zpsweduz18q.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/Pipe%204_zpsweduz18q.jpg.html)
You can see the grain doesn't run all the way through the material .
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pipe1_zps8g3mqklv.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pipe1_zps8g3mqklv.jpg.html)
It doesn't match Ivory ................
In other words if you had a broken ivory joint , this fake ivory will not match the color of natural ivory used other places in the cue.
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The trick I used to get full grain in the piece is to use the larger size rod and cut the desired section of the grain pattern your after. It cost more and there is much more time and waste in this process but if it's the full grain look your after it can be accomplished.

Rob.M

mortuarymike-nv
07-22-2016, 09:58 PM
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The trick I used to get full grain in the piece is to use the larger size rod and cut the desired section of the grain pattern your after. It cost more and there is much more time and waste in this process but if it's the full grain look your after it can be accomplished.

Rob.M


Hi Rob
I never thought of that.
You made a butt sleeve that has figure or grain going all the way around it ?

When I bought mine I was under the impression it was figured all the way through .

Why don't they just make it full grain from the factory......

Not displeased but surprised the pieces didn't have the grain running all the way through them .

metalware10
07-22-2016, 10:20 PM
Hi Rob
I never thought of that.
You made a butt sleeve that has figure or grain going all the way around it ?

When I bought mine I was under the impression it was figured all the way through .

Why don't they just make it full grain from the factory......

Not displeased but surprised the pieces didn't have the grain running all the way through them .

Unfortunately, I thought the same & hope full grain. But it has technical restriction, it's the way it comes.
But we had a Arvorin PLUS pattern which have grain looks like net, it's equal view from different side. but cost is an issue, it's around 3 times than Arvorin. That's why I haven't introduce yet.
I may buy few samples to show you guys later.

ROB.M
07-23-2016, 12:24 AM
Unfortunately, I thought the same & hope full grain. But it has technical restriction, it's the way it comes.
But we had a Arvorin PLUS pattern which have grain looks like net, it's equal view from different side. but cost is an issue, it's around 3 times than Arvorin. That's why I haven't introduce yet.
I may buy few samples to show you guys later.

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I have some of the prototype MKII arvorin, I will make a set of JP's and show it. It's way scary beautiful stuff. Let me go try to find where I had it...:grin-square:


Here's a cue I was messing around with,replaced a joint and butcap with arvorin. She likes it'
Can't see the grain in the first pic to well but it's there.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i321/dltazb/Mobile%20Uploads/FE43BF7C-8B87-4D58-A41E-62839235DA36.png (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/dltazb/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FE43BF7C-8B87-4D58-A41E-62839235DA36.png.html)
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i321/dltazb/Mobile%20Uploads/72B5274B-15B4-4ADE-8509-2535DCEF97C5.png (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/dltazb/media/Mobile%20Uploads/72B5274B-15B4-4ADE-8509-2535DCEF97C5.png.html)



Rob.M

mortuarymike-nv
07-23-2016, 01:17 AM
Unfortunately, I thought the same & hope full grain. But it has technical restriction, it's the way it comes.
But we had a Arvorin PLUS pattern which have grain looks like net, it's equal view from different side. but cost is an issue, it's around 3 times than Arvorin. That's why I haven't introduce yet.
I may buy few samples to show you guys later.

That's what I thought too, the more I thought about my reply when writing it the more I thought I bet you hoping the grain to run all the way through it to.
Then I had to laugh a little, and say Its still looks good. why not use it.
One of those why not moments .

My pipes break when they get dropped on the ends if I use wood .
I needed something that will not shatter or crack and would look really good .
I have a couple of drawers filled with acrylic, and used the Arvorin I got from you over all the other materials I have.



Figured a good chance of you reading my reply .
Hoping you were the maker or factory linked to where some could be made with the pattern going all the way through the Arvorin .

I still plan on making a cue using Arvorin at the ferrule joint and butt cap
and will need to get some for the butt cap .













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jayburger
07-24-2016, 12:10 PM
Very cool.

ROB.M
07-24-2016, 01:44 PM
This is the prototype arvorin that was not released due to some issues, it's darker in color and the grain is beautiful and throughout.
Perhaps we can figure something out to bring it to the market.
ITS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.
Better pic later. Been working in the shop at night/trying to avoid the heat of the daytime sun.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i321/dltazb/Mobile%20Uploads/CEDE5816-95D5-4E84-A883-68AEB613C629.png (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/dltazb/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CEDE5816-95D5-4E84-A883-68AEB613C629.png.html)



Rob.M

mortuarymike-nv
07-24-2016, 02:08 PM
This is the prototype arvorin that was not released due to some issues, it's darker in color and the grain is beautiful and throughout.
Perhaps we can figure something out to bring it to the market.
ITS NOT CHEAP AT ALL.
Better pic later. Been working in the shop at night/trying to avoid the heat of the daytime sun.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i321/dltazb/Mobile%20Uploads/CEDE5816-95D5-4E84-A883-68AEB613C629.png (http://s1088.photobucket.com/user/dltazb/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CEDE5816-95D5-4E84-A883-68AEB613C629.png.html)



Rob.M

That looks good to me.

Bavafongoul
07-24-2016, 02:21 PM
Someone mentioned "cost" ......well, how much can it be?

Accept that the future of ivory is in question nationally.
In CA at the present, ivory has "no" future whatsoever.

So if you were a CA cue-maker, or any cue-maker, and
wanted a substitute material for something you can't use,
it really becomes "damn the expense" & just use or get it.

This material looks so much better than what's available
and I hope there's expanded use of it for ferrules & joints.
I mention those specifically since that's where ivory really
distinguishes itself and creates a different feel & acoustics.

Both of those are key reasons why ivory is so popular but
since it's a bleak outlook for ivory, we sure need a good
alternative/substitute for cues which so far hasn't happened.



Matt B.

cuesblues
07-24-2016, 02:55 PM
Someone mentioned "cost" ......well, how much can it be?

Accept that the future of ivory is in question nationally.
In CA at the present, ivory has "no" future whatsoever.

So if you were a CA cue-maker, or any cue-maker, and
wanted a substitute material for something you can't use,
it really becomes "damn the expense" & just use or get it.

This material looks so much better than what's available
and I hope there's expanded use of it for ferrules & joints.
I mention those specifically since that's where ivory really
distinguishes itself and creates a different feel & acoustics.

Both of those are key reasons why ivory is so popular but
since it's a bleak outlook for ivory, we sure need a good
alternative/substitute for cues which so far hasn't happened.



Matt B.

This stuff was less expensive than most of the ferrule & joint material I've purchased.
We will see how it compares, but right now I'm a little skeptical.

ROB.M
07-28-2016, 01:43 PM
This stuff was less expensive than most of the ferrule & joint material I've purchased.
We will see how it compares, but right now I'm a little skeptical.

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I will put some arvoin2 on a ferrule tonight. We've got three formulas that we've worked with. Arvorin 1,arvorin 2 and a arvorin plus that's in the works.
I've got arvorin 1 on a break cue and I'll put arvorin 2 on a playing cue <~ I'll try to get it done tonight.
I'll respond with follow up.


Rob.M

slide13
07-28-2016, 01:49 PM
I'm curious...if an ivory substitute is found that convincingly looks like ivory...how will you prove it's not ivory if it is every questioned? As I understand it there isn't really a great way to test it without taking a sample from the cue which sounds at least mildly destructive.

Sounds like it would be just as risky as far as damage to your property goes as having real ivory, though the end consequences would be a lot better since you'd be found innocent of any violation in the end.

cuesblues
07-28-2016, 02:09 PM
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I will put some arvoin2 on a ferrule tonight. We've got three formulas that we've worked with. Arvorin 1,arvorin 2 and a arvorin plus that's in the works.
I've got arvorin 1 on a break cue and I'll put arvorin 2 on a playing cue <~ I'll try to get it done tonight.
I'll respond with follow up.


Rob.M


I need to go up and check my mail, maybe it will be here today.
Keep us posted
Thanks

mortuarymike-nv
07-28-2016, 04:52 PM
I'm curious...if an ivory substitute is found that convincingly looks like ivory...how will you prove it's not ivory if it is every questioned? As I understand it there isn't really a great way to test it without taking a sample from the cue which sounds at least mildly destructive.

Sounds like it would be just as risky as far as damage to your property goes as having real ivory, though the end consequences would be a lot better since you'd be found innocent of any violation in the end.

Ivory doesn't melt, plastics do .

slide13
07-28-2016, 05:30 PM
Ivory doesn't melt, plastics do .

So if questioned you could potentially lose your cue with an ivory substitute, or at least have it severely damaged.

Think I'll stay away from the faux ivory too if it comes to that.

ROB.M
07-28-2016, 06:32 PM
So if questioned you could potentially lose your cue with an ivory substitute, or at least have it severely damaged.

Think I'll stay away from the faux ivory too if it comes to that.

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Every cue that has any white materal of any kind is to simulate Ivory.....hope you don't have anything white in color on your cue:rolleyes:....



Rob.M

slide13
07-28-2016, 06:43 PM
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Every cue that has any white materal of any kind is to simulate Ivory.....hope you don't have anything white in color on your cue:rolleyes:....



Rob.M

My cue has ivory stitch rings and a delrin butt cap. I don't think delrin looks much like ivory, but who knows what the unfamiliar would think. I don't plan on selling it so it's not a problem even with the real ivory in the rings. But if I lived in CA and was legitimately concerned about this sort of thing I'm not sure faux ivory that looks like the real thing would make me feel real comfortable about the safety of my cue investment if I were buying a new one and/or planned to sell.

Just a thought I had, I don't much care either way, but faux ivory that looks like the real thing certainly has an inherent risk involved if you're truly concerned about getting caught and questioned about your cue.

mortuarymike-nv
07-28-2016, 08:59 PM
So if questioned you could potentially lose your cue with an ivory substitute, or at least have it severely damaged.

Think I'll stay away from the faux ivory too if it comes to that.

Black light works too, shows cross hatching, only issue is teaching all of the customs agents world wide .
Ivory Faux doesn't have cross hatching pattern .

I don't know for certain my guess it the hot pin test comes last .....

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mortuarymike-nv
07-28-2016, 09:09 PM
So if questioned you could potentially lose your cue with an ivory substitute, or at least have it severely damaged.

Think I'll stay away from the faux ivory too if it comes to that.

I do allot with deer and elk antler .
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/pool%20cuemine_zpsawl27vbh.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/pool%20cuemine_zpsawl27vbh.jpg.html)
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/al%20al%20done_zpswe8lbyrg.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/al%20al%20done_zpswe8lbyrg.jpg.html)
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/PC%2098_zpslmwg02qw.jpg (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/mortuarymike/media/PC%2098_zpslmwg02qw.jpg.html)

dafunkdawg
07-28-2016, 09:14 PM
I put some on a couple old brunswick tru balance house cues here and it did not last too long before it just spilt down the center. It was the first 2 ferrules that I ever did from rod and they were not threaded or capped. Just a tenon a little better than .250 if I remember right. It is nice looking material and reminds me a lot of the smell of custom car audio fiberglass fabrication when I was cutting.