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johnnysd
07-21-2016, 01:13 PM
Would be interested in hearing recommendations on custom cue makers to look into for cus to cue. Here is what I am looking for:

Most important: hit. What I am looking for in hit:

1. Forward balance. I like cue that feels light in my hand.
2. Crisp hit, but not especially hard. Want it to feel precise and not vague but more medium between super hard and soft.
3. Shaft stiffness, again more medium. Do not like overly stiff inflexible feel but not looking for su per whippet either
4. Overall sold hit with good feedback, want the cue yo feel alive and easy to transfer energy withoit feeling out of control. Want consistency of hit between center ball and English shots.
5. Low deflection not preferred, not a fan of the LD shafts I have tried.
6. Joint is flexible, I have experienced a balanced but crisp medium hit "feel" with stainless joint on a Balabuska, (had as loaner for 6 months), ivory joint on Paul Mottey (sold for double what I had paid, will regret forever, and flat faced wood to wood joint on Fuller Judd (recently stolen).
7.whatever matches rest of cue for hit I am looking for.
8. Wood wrap fir appearance, but also lIke linen a lot for comfortable feel. Not much experience with leather.

Weight Light-17 to 18.5 ounces.

Second most important: Price. $2500 max budget.

Close third: Appearance. What I like:

1. Elegant, simpler designs.
2. Rings really love great ring work at A, B, C, D and E but don't love segmented wood wraps
3. Not excessive inlays
4. No ivory
5. Love exotic woods especially cocobolo and highly figured woods such as burls, pyinma, waterfall bubinga, don't love ebony
6. Overall design appearance from fancy merry widow to elegant 4 or 6 point traditional.
7.not too dark.

Would be really interested in suggestions. Thanks

slide13
07-21-2016, 01:24 PM
That's a pretty big budget and a nice specific list of what you like. You have a lot of really good options out there I think as a lot of cue makers are building cues of that style. Names that come to mind:

Bob Runde
Andy Gilbert
Chris Nitti
Blackcreek (Travis Niklich)
Jerry Rauenzahn
Cohen
Corey Barnhart

I'm sure there are more but those are the names that I personally like and would be looking at if I was looking for a new cue like that with that budget.

I settled on Runde for myself and I couldn't be happier with my cue and how it plays. His cues are on the affordable side but the quality is really high. I like a nice simple cue and mine was significantly less than what you're talking about spending, but if I were looking for something fancier I'd order another bigger Runde without hesitation. He also likes to use old micarta ferrules which are really nice and have a great feel that sounds right up your alley.

skins
07-21-2016, 01:30 PM
$2500, call Keith Josey or Joe Gold (Cognoscenti)... Price to performance, hard to beat either...

Neoy
07-21-2016, 01:32 PM
I would recommend a cue made by Mike Bender, because I own one myself. I'm new here so I don't have much credit on the forums. SO take it as you will. I've lived up there for a bit and my pops has for the last 20 years and knows him well. He does good work.

Having one myself it plays very well. Awesome feel and look. Certainly one of the best I have even owned. Knowing his history and the level of effort he puts into his work and backs it 100% providing the cue wasn't neglected or smacked over a table on a bad outcome.

I say it with confidence, he does great work...

http://www.bendercues.com/

Derek

SFC9ball
07-21-2016, 01:39 PM
I would consider Treadway cues. Josh makes a great cue and is a real pleasure to deal with. (314) 605-8935

www.treadwaycues.com/

pookster
07-21-2016, 01:42 PM
$2500, call Keith Josey or Joe Gold (Cognoscenti)... Price to performance, hard to beat either...

I second that especially with all those needs on your lisr

lethalmoto
07-21-2016, 01:53 PM
Steve Lomax

Ken_4fun
07-21-2016, 02:13 PM
While maybe not the answer you are looking for, but IMO, buying a new one from a lesser known cuemaker would be a mistake.

I recommend spending it on a super nice older cue from a HOF maker. The price of cues have really tumbled, and cues you can pick up for the $2-3K now were $5K cues a few years ago. (Examples would be Schick, JW, Tad,) While not a HOF maker yet, I have played with Pete Tascarella cues and they really are special.

If you insist on buying a new cue, I would recommend Rick Howard cues. I have never heard anything but how great they play and incredible low prices.

I really like Rick Howards veneer work as well.

Ken

Cracktherack
07-21-2016, 02:42 PM
Bob Frey. He makes a cue that will play top end pool.

johnnysd
07-21-2016, 08:42 PM
Great feedback lots of good ideas. Was hoping there was a universal consensus :) Look forward to more replies

dawgcpa
07-21-2016, 08:56 PM
For the hit you described, my suggestion is a cognoscenti. Martin at superior cues will have some in stock now if you don't want to wait. They hit great...

HawaiianEye
07-21-2016, 08:59 PM
Richard Black ebony Four Point.

http://www.blackcues.com/traditional_cues/four_point.shtml

Or one of several others in your price range.

http://www.blackcues.com/traditional_cues.shtml

Bavafongoul
07-22-2016, 12:00 AM
Go with Bob Owen.......if you like rings, then you'll love his workmanship.
I asked for my custom to be around 18.5 and it came in at 18.4 and 18.55
and Bob made my cue without using any weight bolt. The balance is superb.

You will not be disappointed with Bob's service, cue-making or prices. He is
very accommodating, a master at his craft, completes his cues on schedule
and keeps you informed along the way providing progress photos & updates.

Bob will exceed your expectations based upon the two customs that he's made
for me & here's the one he recently completed this past Memorial Day..I tried my
best to find a flaw thinking "It can't be perfect.". Well, apparently I was mistaken.

I recognize my design is likely fancier than what you described and uses ivory but
his execution is meticulous and the wood selection is very laudable as well.....Bob
really does knock it out of the park when it comes to well balanced, pleasing cues.


Matt B.

gregnice37
07-22-2016, 01:37 AM
I have a cue for sale now meeting all your expectations, wish you were looking for something used but closet kept.

johnnysd
07-22-2016, 05:35 AM
I have a cue for sale now meeting all your expectations, wish you were looking for something used but closet kept.

I am certainly open to used, would be interested n what you have.

greyghost
07-22-2016, 07:30 AM
bob recently put up on facebook i believe....maybe it was here....that a particular cue was going to be the last he did with ivory.

DJSTEVEZ
07-22-2016, 07:35 AM
Dan Janes of Joss (the original Joss, MD)

Paul Drexler (of PFD Studios, CT)

Richard Black, TX

Cory Barnhart


if you'll consider a pre-loved cue, Tim Scruggs, all day long!

realkingcobra
07-22-2016, 08:15 AM
Great feedback lots of good ideas. Was hoping there was a universal consensus :) Look forward to more replies

You're kidding, right? You might as well have ask this forum what state is the best to live in....LOL

johnnysd
07-22-2016, 08:36 AM
You're kidding, right? You might as well have ask this forum what state is the best to live in....LOL

Lol, yes. Notice the smiley face in my post. Still lots of good feedback

cubswin
07-22-2016, 08:38 AM
I'd probably buy used, but I really think that Bob Dzuricky makes a great cue, never hear anything bad about his work, communication, pricing, or delivery time.

realkingcobra
07-22-2016, 08:42 AM
Lol, yes. Notice the smiley face in my post. Still lots of good feedback

I got a laugh out of your first post...first thing that went through my mind was.....did you just ask a room full of fat kids....what's the best candy to eat....LMAO

johnnysd
07-22-2016, 08:43 AM
You're kidding, right? You might as well have ask this forum what state is the best to live in....LOL

Lol, yes. Notice the smiley face in my post. Still lots of good feedback

measureman
07-22-2016, 08:47 AM
Ling Chou Lucasi would be my pick.
He will make you 10 cues for 2500 bones.

johnnysd
07-22-2016, 09:07 AM
Well, I actually asked what is the best chocolate candy which us much more specific. I tried to ask for a specific type of hit, and all the feedback is valuable

Johnny Rosato
07-22-2016, 09:39 AM
Rick Howard without a doubt !!!

johnnysd
07-22-2016, 09:41 AM
Dan Janes of Joss (the original Joss, MD)

Paul Drexler (of PFD Studios, CT)

Richard Black, TX

Cory Barnhart


if you'll consider a pre-loved cue, Tim Scruggs, all day long!



My first custom cue was a Dan Janes. When I got back into pool after 20 years I called Dan and found he still hand makes the "customs" he his listed on his site. So I bought a plain one from him that he had handmade. It is a very nice cue and very solid, but plays harder and stiffer than I like. Not like the Joss I had in the 80s which was more medium. Also got a Dominiak, which is a fantastic cue, but this 2 sort of solidified what I want in a cue and they are likely headed ty o the for sale section on the cheap.

johnnysd
07-23-2016, 10:23 AM
Quick update for everyone. There were actually a few people named and doing some additional research it looks like there are several that provide the hit I am looking for and were mentioned here as well multiple times including Runde, Omen, Cognoscenti, Josey and Bender.

Someone mentioned Josh Treadway and I already have a cue on order from him, but it will take 2 years. I am looking further into the others. I am also getting a cue made by Kim Walker who posts here and makes beautiful cues that seem right up my alley.

I will be selling the Joss and the Dominiak. The Dominiak is AWESOME. It is just awesome in a way not for me, just like a Franlklin SW is completely and totally wrong. But obviously right for at least the 3000 people currently in line.

Short term I decided to buy a used cue that was listed on EBAY this week. It is a particularly clean JT-1 from Judd, which was my 2nd favorite hitting cue I have ever had. Hopefully it hits the same, but Judd's cues are supposed to be very consistent.

I am pretty excited. I just got my Gilbert break cue on Friday too.

Full disclosure I also have a Lambros cocobolo/bubinga merry widow on order already in addition to the Treadway and Walker.

All of them are different, and hopefully I find the hit I want. I do not mind collecting the others.

Here are some pics of the Judd

Rico
07-23-2016, 05:01 PM
Get ahold of Jerry at classic cues 563 249 2879 he has aroud 50 Rundes you cant go wrong.They play as good as any cue out there.

bbb
07-23-2016, 05:51 PM
nitti cues
just me you will not regret it
http://www.nitticues.com/

DJSTEVEZ
07-23-2016, 06:18 PM
nitti cues
just me you will not regret it
http://www.nitticues.com/

I truly don't know if Nitti cues are the best in the world or not, but I've never, ever seen a better website for cues. The hi def photography is amazing.

If he takes that much care with the visual presentation of his cues, I have to imagine his attention to craftsmanship & detail is even more impressive. WOW! -Z-

Cezar Morales
07-24-2016, 07:33 AM
Would be interested in hearing recommendations on custom cue makers to look into for cus to cue. Here is what I am looking for:

Most important: hit. What I am looking for in hit:

1. Forward balance. I like cue that feels light in my hand.
2. Crisp hit, but not especially hard. Want it to feel precise and not vague but more medium between super hard and soft.
3. Shaft stiffness, again more medium. Do not like overly stiff inflexible feel but not looking for su per whippet either
4. Overall sold hit with good feedback, want the cue yo feel alive and easy to transfer energy withoit feeling out of control. Want consistency of hit between center ball and English shots.
5. Low deflection not preferred, not a fan of the LD shafts I have tried.
6. Joint is flexible, I have experienced a balanced but crisp medium hit "feel" with stainless joint on a Balabuska, (had as loaner for 6 months), ivory joint on Paul Mottey (sold for double what I had paid, will regret forever, and flat faced wood to wood joint on Fuller Judd (recently stolen).
7.whatever matches rest of cue for hit I am looking for.
8. Wood wrap fir appearance, but also lIke linen a lot for comfortable feel. Not much experience with leather.

Weight Light-17 to 18.5 ounces.

Second most important: Price. $2500 max budget.

Close third: Appearance. What I like:

1. Elegant, simpler designs.
2. Rings really love great ring work at A, B, C, D and E but don't love segmented wood wraps
3. Not excessive inlays
4. No ivory
5. Love exotic woods especially cocobolo and highly figured woods such as burls, pyinma, waterfall bubinga, don't love ebony
6. Overall design appearance from fancy merry widow to elegant 4 or 6 point traditional.
7.not too dark.

Would be really interested in suggestions. Thanks


The best fit for IN MY HUMBLE OPINION is Andy Gilbert n Keith Josey but i will lean more towards Andy Gilbert for flexibility in design as Josey will stick to his particular style which ensures n guarantees the playability n integrity of a cue as a priority such as he dialed radial pin and his famous sneaky n he Wont use other pin.

Btw, im playing with a Josey which i love , balance is nice but a little too forward , full splice wrapless but only downside is deflection is a little high BUT PARTLY becoz i ask for a old school 1 inch long ferule instead of his 3/4 ferule.
Josey is more limited on design in terms of his floating points n inlays which is fine if u like it .
It may be a little challenging if u want traditional pointed cue with veneers ( he does them but i feel a little weak )

Andy on the other hand is incredibly flexible from buskha tribute to southwest to full splice with traditional sharp points and veneers.
His cue hits a little softer than my Josey but its more balance according to my preference ( Josey has a more forward balance ) and has a real sweet medium stiff hit with relatively low deflection.
( i based this according to a couple of Gilbert i tried )

Cant go wrong w both of em but im leaning towards Gilbert due to MY PREFERENCE but i will advise u to try each one out if possible as they are both quite consistent and they seldom come out for sale which speaks a lot.

Good luck w ur choice :)

skins
07-24-2016, 09:02 AM
The best fit for IN MY HUMBLE OPINION is Andy Gilbert n Keith Josey but i will lean more towards Andy Gilbert for flexibility in design as Josey will stick to his particular style which ensures n guarantees the playability n integrity of a cue as a priority such as he dialed radial pin and his famous sneaky n he Wont use other pin.

Btw, im playing with a Josey which i love , balance is nice but a little too forward , full splice wrapless but only downside is deflection is a little high BUT PARTLY becoz i ask for a old school 1 inch long ferule instead of his 3/4 ferule.
Josey is more limited on design in terms of his floating points n inlays which is fine if u like it .
It may be a little challenging if u want traditional pointed cue with veneers ( he does them but i feel a little weak )

Andy on the other hand is incredibly flexible from buskha tribute to southwest to full splice with traditional sharp points and veneers.
His cue hits a little softer than my Josey but its more balance according to my preference ( Josey has a more forward balance ) and has a real sweet medium stiff hit with relatively low deflection.
( i based this according to a couple of Gilbert i tried )

Cant go wrong w both of em but im leaning towards Gilbert due to MY PREFERENCE but i will advise u to try each one out if possible as they are both quite consistent and they seldom come out for sale which speaks a lot.

Good luck w ur choice :)

Keith is by no means limited in design... He will make any type cue you like. He does his own traditional sharp points with veneers and they are FAR from "weak" LOL.. His blanks are top quality as is the rest of his workmanship.



http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/Josey%202/availcuesF_07_07.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/Josey%202/availcuesF_07_07.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/5veneers4pts-dmndinlayFa.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/5veneers4pts-dmndinlayFa.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/Josey%202/usopen09_06veneersF.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/Josey%202/usopen09_06veneersF.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/Josey%202/usopen09_06veneersB.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/Josey%202/usopen09_06veneersB.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/SBE03-09stptveneercues.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/SBE03-09stptveneercues.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/DSCF0256.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/DSCF0256.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/6D4D035D-D1E9-4FDD-A42C-06B661D75417_zpsrhjducig.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/6D4D035D-D1E9-4FDD-A42C-06B661D75417_zpsrhjducig.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/Josey%202/sbexpof03-05customF_zps4a4e7504.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/Josey%202/sbexpof03-05customF_zps4a4e7504.jpg.html)

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/quemast/Recent%20Joseys%201_zpssfngybyd.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/quemast/media/Recent%20Joseys%201_zpssfngybyd.jpg.html)

ceebee
07-24-2016, 05:27 PM
Guido Orlandi can make you a Magic Wand. 906-542-7069

JC
07-24-2016, 11:09 PM
Your desires are simpler than your budget. You should be able to buy a couple or 3 of what you want for that.

JC

Gary G
07-24-2016, 11:28 PM
Paul Dayton!!!
I have 6 cues from him n always
looking to add to my stock , awesome
Cues a great price . Good luck w your
choice . Gary G XPC live stream :thumbup:

DJ66
07-25-2016, 01:23 AM
There have been some great suggestions here, and I'm going to throw my hat in the ring as well. Jerry Rauenzahn makes a phenomenal cue, and I believe it fits all of your hit requirements. My personal cue is a 360 tribute, and the workmanship is incredible (pics are in the gallery if you are interested).
He could definitely build you what you want, and well within your budget. Plus he is great to deal with.

johnnysd
07-25-2016, 01:37 AM
There have been some great suggestions here, and I'm going to throw my hat in the ring as well. Jerry Rauenzahn makes a phenomenal cue, and I believe it fits all of your hit requirements. My personal cue is a 360 tribute, and the workmanship is incredible (pics are in the gallery if you are interested).
He could definitely build you what you want, and well within your budget. Plus he is great to deal with.

Actually Jerry is retiring and wont build me a cue. I did run a wanted ad for buying a used one, and several people linked some awesome -R- cues, but none of them really grabbed me to spring for them.

RD Grant
07-28-2016, 09:53 PM
Treadway cues are the best, the hit is just magic. go to his facebook page Josh Treadway.
Every time I look at my cue I notice something new.
I also just bought a treadway jump/break cue. It should be here tomorrow.

johnnysd
07-28-2016, 10:09 PM
Treadway cues are the best, the hit is just magic. go to his facebook page Josh Treadway.
Every time I look at my cue I notice something new.
I also just bought a treadway jump/break cue. It should be here tomorrow.

Yeah, I already have one on order from Josh, but it is 2 years away.,

jeremy8000
07-28-2016, 10:29 PM
Your best bet is to find people with cues by makers you're interested in and see if they'd allow you to take a few shots with it. Hit is so highly subjective, and difficult to define in words, that what some might feel fits your criteria perfectly might be way off the mark for you, yourself.

That said, while there are still many extremely highly respected cuemakers whose work I've never had the opportunity to shoot with, the one I've settled in with as matching your performance criteria (which seems to be in line with mine) is Ned Morris. I'm not saying he makes the perfect cue, but I have yet to find another that surpasses his cues for my own definition of optimum hit (we have some differences in style and materials preferences, but that's something that he can easily cater to and won't impact the hit).

I strongly recommend if you encounter someone with one of his cues to give it a shot. At the least, you won't be disappointed, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you find it making it to (or to the top of) your short list. His cues start well under your budget for simple designs like merry widows, within your budget for moderately complex designs, and of course like any premier builder can go well beyond depending on how crazy you want to get with the design and exotic materials.