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fasted71465
07-22-2016, 04:22 PM
I can't make my mind up on which cue to get. I had a Scruggs and loved the way it played. I like a little weight in the butt end and I like solid hit.

Dave-Kat
07-22-2016, 05:46 PM
I have heard that Bob built Tim's SP's when they were building together. SO if you liked your TS snag a Frey, not to knock Jim Pierce, he builds a very nice quality playing cue.

Roll them dice,

-Kat,

bbb
07-22-2016, 06:21 PM
if you liked tim buy bob

GoldCrown
07-22-2016, 09:00 PM
There is a new batch of Frey's on "for sale"

Baron
07-22-2016, 09:34 PM
bob frey all dey

Kickin' Chicken
07-22-2016, 10:46 PM
frey.........

Kid Dynomite
07-23-2016, 06:46 AM
I have an Ebony sneaky from Bob Frey!!!

I would "Buy" the one Gkloop has if I was you! He has 3 for sale and they weight 15.5 / 15.9 / 15.7 ounces. I would grab the 15.5 ounce cue and never look back!!!

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=431574

Happy Shopping!

KD

fasted71465
07-23-2016, 10:12 AM
They Sgruggs had a 5/16-14 pin and I didn't know if a Frey played the same.

DaveM
07-23-2016, 10:37 AM
I bought a Frey sneaky through Gene and it immediately became my player. Ebony and curly maple. Hits solid, looks great and I have at least 3 standing offers to buy it if I ever decide to sell it.

Kid Dynomite
07-23-2016, 11:51 AM
They Sgruggs had a 5/16-14 pin and I didn't know if a Frey played the same.

I grew up in Maryland and hit with a ton of Tim Scruggs sneaky petes. His best hitting cues were the ones with the white phenolic joints! They were better then the "true" sneakies! It made the cues less whippy and stiffer.

Bob has realized he likes the hit of the big pins and the latest batch of cues is all big pin. Based on Gkloops offering of sneakies the Ebony and the bocote with the white phenolic joint are true players.

Again, just my opinion having hit with and grown up around the sneaky kings Bob and Tim.

KD

Bavafongoul
07-23-2016, 03:49 PM
A very easy question.....Frey all the way.

xianmacx
07-24-2016, 07:42 AM
another vote for Bob. Not only does my sneaky play great, but he is a first class guy to deal with. I had him finish a blank I sent him.

BmoreMoney
07-24-2016, 08:22 AM
I will also tell you you CAN NOT go wrong buying a FREY!!! As others have mentioned , Bob Frey built all odds Timmy Scruggs Sneaky Petes. That's not gossip, it's the truth. I can not and will not say ANYTHING about Mr Pierces' cues as I have never owned one nor shot with one as far as I know. With this being said I HAVE OWNED, and played with countless Frey's. THEY PLAY AWESOME! THEY ARE AN ABSOLUTE STEAL AS FAR AS PRICE!

Honestly , IMHO, I do not believe you can spend your money any better than buying a BOB FREY. PERIOD. The care he puts into each and every cue is unmatched, HE WILL NOT allow any cue to leave his shop with his name on it if he does not think that cue is perfect!!! We all LOVE Timmy's cues and rightly so. Many do not realize that a huge portion of cues that left Timmy's shop was IN FACT, made by BOB FREY. It's a much as humanly possible to get a TS new cue ( sadly Timmy has left us ) from Bob Frey and odds are at least in regards to a Sneaky that Bob was the man that ad it in he first place. After playing with hundreds of cues from dozens of makers, I will say with a completely clear conscious that Frey's are the BEST playing cues on the PLANET!!!

As to Gene ( gkloop) - Bob's authorized dealer - I can say nothing but good things about the man. The last cue I bought was an Ebony into curly SP bought from gkloop. With all the nonsense we all hear all too often about this or that, Gene was a total professional the WHOLE WAY. One could ask for NOTHING MORE. He went above and beyond throughout the entire process. He actually went out of his way to get me my cue ( which he definitely did not have to do ) AND to make sure I was happy with if ( prior to leaving me with it ). I can't speak highly enough of this guy, but I will say this - there are plenty of things to be worried about buying about when purchasing a cue online no doubt - BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, you need not worry about ANY OF THEO THINGS when dealing with FREY / GENE!!!!

Once again; no disrespect towards Mr. PIERCE, but if your gonna spend your hard earned money on a new SP you just can not do any better than purchasing a brand new BOB FREY and doing so thru GENE ( gkloop ) and you WILL BE HAPPY from start to finish!!!!!!

KD - and yes, I do love the " Big Pins " and THEY ARE the only way to go!!!! Good call on that one brother!!!!

johnnysd
07-24-2016, 08:58 AM
I will also tell you you CAN NOT go wrong buying a FREY!!! As others have mentioned , Bob Frey built all odds Timmy Scruggs Sneaky Petes. That's not gossip, it's the truth. I can not and will not say ANYTHING about Mr Pierces' cues as I have never owned one nor shot with one as far as I know. With this being said I HAVE OWNED, and played with countless Frey's. THEY PLAY AWESOME! THEY ARE AN ABSOLUTE STEAL AS FAR AS PRICE!

Honestly , IMHO, I do not believe you can spend your money any better than buying a BOB FREY. PERIOD. The care he puts into each and every cue is unmatched, HE WILL NOT allow any cue to leave his shop with his name on it if he does not think that cue is perfect!!! We all LOVE Timmy's cues and rightly so. Many do not realize that a huge portion of cues that left Timmy's shop was IN FACT, made by BOB FREY. It's a much as humanly possible to get a TS new cue ( sadly Timmy has left us ) from Bob Frey and odds are at least in regards to a Sneaky that Bob was the man that ad it in he first place. After playing with hundreds of cues from dozens of makers, I will say with a completely clear conscious that Frey's are the BEST playing cues on the PLANET!!!

As to Gene ( gkloop) - Bob's authorized dealer - I can say nothing but good things about the man. The last cue I bought was an Ebony into curly SP bought from gkloop. With all the nonsense we all hear all too often about this or that, Gene was a total professional the WHOLE WAY. One could ask for NOTHING MORE. He went above and beyond throughout the entire process. He actually went out of his way to get me my cue ( which he definitely did not have to do ) AND to make sure I was happy with if ( prior to leaving me with it ). I can't speak highly enough of this guy, but I will say this - there are plenty of things to be worried about buying about when purchasing a cue online no doubt - BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, you need not worry about ANY OF THEO THINGS when dealing with FREY / GENE!!!!

Once again; no disrespect towards Mr. PIERCE, but if your gonna spend your hard earned money on a new SP you just can not do any better than purchasing a brand new BOB FREY and doing so thru GENE ( gkloop ) and you WILL BE HAPPY from start to finish!!!!!!

KD - and yes, I do love the " Big Pins " and THEY ARE the only way to go!!!! Good call on that one brother!!!!

When you say "best hitting" what does that mean. It would be very helpful to describe your perception of the cue, it's balance and what characteristics the hit has. It is all individual but it would be great to have context.

9Ballr
07-24-2016, 09:23 AM
I can't make my mind up on which cue to get. I had a Scruggs and loved the way it played. I like a little weight in the butt end and I like solid hit.

You like a solid hit?
Keith Josey all the way.
Most solid sneaky I have hit with, which is the reason I ordered two 60 inchers from him.
Do it and do it now.

9Ballr
07-24-2016, 09:42 AM
I grew up in Maryland and hit with a ton of Tim Scruggs sneaky petes. His best hitting cues were the ones with the white phenolic joints! They were better then the "true" sneakies! It made the cues less whippy and stiffer.

Bob has realized he likes the hit of the big pins and the latest batch of cues is all big pin. Based on Gkloops offering of sneakies the Ebony and the bocote with the white phenolic joint are true players.

Again, just my opinion having hit with and grown up around the sneaky kings Bob and Tim.

KD

Interesting.
I always prefer the wood to wood considering it's a sneaky and all.
Will see if I can't get two at the same time to try them.

BmoreMoney
07-24-2016, 09:49 AM
When you say "best hitting" what does that mean. It would be very helpful to describe your perception of the cue, it's balance and what characteristics the hit has. It is all individual but it would be great to have context.

I am gonna have to apologize up front as I am not that great being able to put into words what I like about cues. With that being said I will try my best. First : value. Of course this is VERY SUBJECTIVE but after owning, buying, selling, trading, playing with, etc literally hundreds of cues over the years my opinion I'd Frey's by far have the best " value " of any of the cues I've played. Pretty much I've played them all, Boars to Players, the only one I believe I have not played is the Southwest believe it or not. Anyway, for what you get for your money regardless of the actual price I do strongly believe Bob Frey's to be at the top of that catagory.

What do I " look for " in a cue? At least as far as playability - I want a cue that gives the greatest amount of " feedback ". Tough to describe but I'll try. Think of it like this, you have a ball that is near frozen on the head rail. You only want to hit that ball just enough to make a good hit. You are on the foot rail. This is a tough shot no matter who you are. I want to know that my cue will " tell me " exactly how I need to hit this shot to accomplish what needs done. Next, I now need to pocket a ball and have to use draw and only have a window of about 4 inches for shape.It's about a 5 foot shot, with the object ball about two foot from the pocket. I need to know when I strike it that the cue ball is going where I need it to - almost exactly , and I get this from Frey's.

I mainly play one pocket. The break is of great importance . I NEED to know the feeling of when I break, that when I strike the ball it's gonna do EXACTLN what I want. As I said, I'm not real good at explainING things so I am sorry, but the best I can do is tell you that his cues give excellent feedback.

Honestly I can pretty much have any cue I want but time and time again I go with Frey. ALL of my biggest money matches have been played with a Frey, either my own or a borrowed cue. I've had any number of cues and when it's time to get down ( up to $10k sets ) I would borrow a nice Frey from a friend of mine to play with. I don't know how to explain it better than I have but I can tell you this : you are talking about what - a 4, 5, 6 hundred dollar cue? I know money is tight for everyone and just buying a bunch of cues to try out is not an option. With that being said, you CAN NOT GO WRONG with buying a Frey. Odds are you will LOVE IT and it will become your go to everyday player, BUT if for some reason that is not the case well you won't have any problems getting your money back out of it. That's the best advice I can give ya. There are MANY MANY threads right here on AZ about Frey cues, do a little search and read all about them. As I mentioned earlier, I have literally played ( gambled ) with hundreds of cues over the years and I always come back to Frey. There's something to be said about that and there is a reason why that is so.

One last thing ---- while this too is totally subjective I have always preferred the " Big Pin " AND the wood to wood joint . Just how I likem!!! It is also worth mentioning with all the BS we all here about on here with this cuemaker and that cuemaker YOU WILL NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANY OF THAT WHEN DEALING WITH BOB FREY. HE IS THE BEST OF THE BEST ANY NOOOOOO BOOOOODEEEEE ever has any issues purchasing a cue!!!! Just an fyi

johnnysd
07-24-2016, 10:11 AM
I am gonna have to apologize up front as I am not that great being able to put into words what I like about cues. With that being said I will try my best. First : value. Of course this is VERY SUBJECTIVE but after owning, buying, selling, trading, playing with, etc literally hundreds of cues over the years my opinion I'd Frey's by far have the best " value " of any of the cues I've played. Pretty much I've played them all, Boars to Players, the only one I believe I have not played is the Southwest believe it or not. Anyway, for what you get for your money regardless of the actual price I do strongly believe Bob Frey's to be at the top of that catagory.

What do I " look for " in a cue? At least as far as playability - I want a cue that gives the greatest amount of " feedback ". Tough to describe but I'll try. Think of it like this, you have a ball that is near frozen on the head rail. You only want to hit that ball just enough to make a good hit. You are on the foot rail. This is a tough shot no matter who you are. I want to know that my cue will " tell me " exactly how I need to hit this shot to accomplish what needs done. Next, I now need to pocket a ball and have to use draw and only have a window of about 4 inches for shape.It's about a 5 foot shot, with the object ball about two foot from the pocket. I need to know when I strike it that the cue ball is going where I need it to - almost exactly , and I get this from Frey's.

I mainly play one pocket. The break is of great importance . I NEED to know the feeling of when I break, that when I strike the ball it's gonna do EXACTLN what I want. As I said, I'm not real good at explainING things so I am sorry, but the best I can do is tell you that his cues give excellent feedback.

Honestly I can pretty much have any cue I want but time and time again I go with Frey. ALL of my biggest money matches have been played with a Frey, either my own or a borrowed cue. I've had any number of cues and when it's time to get down ( up to $10k sets ) I would borrow a nice Frey from a friend of mine to play with. I don't know how to explain it better than I have but I can tell you this : you are talking about what - a 4, 5, 6 hundred dollar cue? I know money is tight for everyone and just buying a bunch of cues to try out is not an option. With that being said, you CAN NOT GO WRONG with buying a Frey. Odds are you will LOVE IT and it will become your go to everyday player, BUT if for some reason that is not the case well you won't have any problems getting your money back out of it. That's the best advice I can give ya. There are MANY MANY threads right here on AZ about Frey cues, do a little search and read all about them. As I mentioned earlier, I have literally played ( gambled ) with hundreds of cues over the years and I always come back to Frey. There's something to be said about that and there is a reason why that is so.

That makes a lot of sense and I agree with you on feedback. My experience with feedback is that feedback increases as "stiffness" decreases.

Old school cues had a lot of feedback, like old Joss' and Balabuska's had very medium stiff hits and even a little of vibration but they had tons of feel and lots of feedback and even sounded different with different amounts of force, ivory ferrules helping a lot here. There was also a bit of detachment in those cues in that you could sense the shaft separate from the butt. Cues were forward weighted, slightly more flexible through the shaft and I feel were very feedback centric. Some cues like Meuccis and many of the wood to wood jointed cues at that time were very whippy as well.

The more modern cues seem to have a very different "hit". They seem to be very stiff to extremely stiff. They are also extremely solid, and feel more 1 piece. I also feel they provide dramatically less feedback than older style traditional cues.

I am working with Martin Bick on getting a Lambros, and I met him yesterday up in Orange County to play in a tournament, but also to try a Kent Davis cue. Martin actually brought Kent himself and it was very cool to meet him. I tried one of his cues and talked to him about cue making, and I can tell you that he makes a outstandingly gorgeous cue. It was also very much in the new type of very stiff, solid, low vibration and feedback mode of many modern cues. As that type of cue, I am not sure you could find one better than Kent's.

Martin said that his cues have among the best hits in all of pool, but that comes from a particular bias towards that type of super stiff one piece feeling solid cue being fundamentally the "best" hit.

I may also just not be good enough at this point of my playing career coming back after 20 years of not playing to sense any feel in a really stiff cue because of my stroke.

I just received a Dominiak cue that I used for the tournament. It is really an AWESOME cue. It is ridiculously solid, low deflection and also very very stiff. Cue is also slightly back weighted. I realized that the Dominiak could not really be put together any better. It is amazingly consistent, has not "best" orientation, and would be perfect for many players.

So when I hear "best hitting" in these forums I always wonder what that means to the individual person. I have realized I prefer a forward balanced, medium hit type of cue with a little liveliness to the shaft and a lot of feedback but stopping short of being actually whippy. I created a thread to find that hit which has been tremendously useful.

In terms of these poles of hit preference where would you think the Frey fits in?



I have realized I am just not a fan at all of this type of hit.

So

9Ballr
07-24-2016, 10:14 AM
What do I " look for " in a cue? At least as far as playability - I want a cue that gives the greatest amount of " feedback ". Tough to describe but I'll try. Think of it like this, you have a ball that is near frozen on the head rail. You only want to hit that ball just enough to make a good hit. You are on the foot rail. This is a tough shot no matter who you are. I want to know that my cue will " tell me " exactly how I need to hit this shot to accomplish what needs done. Next, I now need to pocket a ball and have to use draw and only have a window of about 4 inches for shape.It's about a 5 foot shot, with the object ball about two foot from the pocket. I need to know when I strike it that the cue ball is going where I need it to - almost exactly , and I get this from Frey's.


I know this conversation is between you and someone else but I wanted
to say that this seems like a really good description.

That being said, what's funny is that the pros seem to be able to do
just that no matter what the cue.
SVB is doing this 4 inches for a shape all day long on a Cuetech.

But I still much prefer the good cues.
It's the Mercedes vs. Hyundai.
Both will get you where you want to go but the ride is very different.

Kid Dynomite
07-24-2016, 10:21 AM
Interesting.
I always prefer the wood to wood considering it's a sneaky and all.
Will see if I can't get two at the same time to try them.
It is wood to wood! The phenolic is sleeved on! The sleeve and pin stabilize the cue and diminish the whipping nature of the cue. Resulting in a stiffer hit. You get less deflection in my opinion and less spin or English.

Kd

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BmoreMoney
07-24-2016, 10:32 AM
That makes a lot of sense and I agree with you on feedback. My experience with feedback is that feedback increases as "stiffness" decreases.

Old school cues had a lot of feedback, like old Joss' and Balabuska's had very medium stiff hits and even a little of vibration but they had tons of feel and lots of feedback and even sounded different with different amounts of force, ivory ferrules helping a lot here. There was also a bit of detachment in those cues in that you could sense the shaft separate from the butt. Cues were forward weighted, slightly more flexible through the shaft and I feel were very feedback centric. Some cues like Meuccis and many of the wood to wood jointed cues at that time were very whippy as well.

The more modern cues seem to have a very different "hit". They seem to be very stiff to extremely stiff. They are also extremely solid, and feel more 1 piece. I also feel they provide dramatically less feedback than older style traditional cues.

I am working with Martin Bick on getting a Lambros, and I met him yesterday up in Orange County to play in a tournament, but also to try a Kent Davis cue. Martin actually brought Kent himself and it was very cool to meet him. I tried one of his cues and talked to him about cue making, and I can tell you that he makes a outstandingly gorgeous cue. It was also very much in the new type of very stiff, solid, low vibration and feedback mode of many modern cues. As that type of cue, I am not sure you could find one better than Kent's.

Martin said that his cues have among the best hits in all of pool, but that comes from a particular bias towards that type of super stiff one piece feeling solid cue being fundamentally the "best" hit.

I may also just not be good enough at this point of my playing career coming back after 20 years of not playing to sense any feel in a really stiff cue because of my stroke.

I just received a Dominiak cue that I used for the tournament. It is really an AWESOME cue. It is ridiculously solid, low deflection and also very very stiff. Cue is also slightly back weighted. I realized that the Dominiak could not really be put together any better. It is amazingly consistent, has not "best" orientation, and would be perfect for many players.

So when I hear "best hitting" in these forums I always wonder what that means to the individual person. I have realized I prefer a forward balanced, medium hit type of cue with a little liveliness to the shaft and a lot of feedback but stopping short of being actually whippy. I created a thread to find that hit which has been tremendously useful.

In terms of these poles of hit preference where would you think the Frey fits in?



I have realized I am just not a fan at all of this type of hit.

So

You sir seem to got the crux of what my long winded response was supposed to be lol. Yes, FEEDBACK is what I wanted to say. Also, NOT STIFF. THEO are EXACTLY what I was trying to say that I love, and hate! I've played with SO MANY " nice cues " and while for sure they were " nice " and very expensive I just never got that " feel " from them. IMHO, I do truly believe Bob Frey to be one of, IF NOT THEO MOST, underated builders of our time. As I have said, I do not believe you can go wrong buying one of his cues. If for some reason it's not to your liking you can EASILY get your money back. Whichever way you go my friend, I wish you the best of luck and please update us whatever yards do!!!!

fasted71465
07-24-2016, 10:33 AM
What is the taper like on a Frey? Looks like Frey is the one, but I would like more info. I enjoy everyone's post so far.

johnnysd
07-24-2016, 10:34 AM
You sir seem to got the crux of what my long winded response was supposed to be lol. Yes, FEEDBACK is what I wanted to say. Also, NOT STIFF. THEO are EXACTLY what I was trying to say that I love, and hate! I've played with SO MANY " nice cues " and while for sure they were " nice " and very expensive I just never got that " feel " from them. IMHO, I do truly believe Bob Frey to be one of, IF NOT THEO MOST, underated builders of our time. As I have said, I do not believe you can go wrong buying one of his cues. If for some reason it's not to your liking you can EASILY get your money back. Whichever way you go my friend, I wish you the best of luck and please update us whatever yards do!!!!

Well, if Frey's are not stiff and offer that medium hit with feedback I am looking for I might need to take a chance and pick one up :)

BmoreMoney
07-24-2016, 10:46 AM
Well, if Frey's are not stiff and offer that medium hit with feedback I am looking for I might need to take a chance and pick one up :)

I think you will be happy from what I've read that you're looking for Hit gkloop up and you will get the EXACT cue yards want. I bought mine through him ( even though Bob's shop is only about 15 minutes from my house ) and I wanted to have a few custom touches done and Gene made it happen ). If you would like Genes cellie pm me and I'll give it to you so yall can talk direct. Good luck again!

BmoreMoney
07-24-2016, 10:47 AM
What is the taper like on a Frey? Looks like Frey is the one, but I would like more info. I enjoy everyone's post so far.

He will do it exactly however yards want it.

Kid Dynomite
07-24-2016, 11:03 AM
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I had radial pin done as special request and double rings at the joint. I supplied a old dufferin blank I wanted used for the cue.

Bob loved it. Started pumping them out pretty regular! Ebony is through the roof and Gabon ebony is the best in terms of weight and hit! The other species are too heavy and the cue comes out 20 plus ounces!
Wonder why you never see any African black wood sneaky petes? Weight!

Kd
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BmoreMoney
07-24-2016, 11:26 AM
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I had radial pin done as special request and double rings at the joint. I supplied a old dufferin blank I wanted used for the cue.

Bob loved it. Started pumping them out pretty regular! Ebony is through the roof and Gabon ebony is the best in terms of weight and hit! The other species are too heavy and the cue comes out 20 plus ounces!
Wonder why you never see any African black wood sneaky petes? Weight!

Kd
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I had my Ebony SP Made by Bob. I requested it to be 21 oz. He made it and it only came out to 20.4 ozs. I was OK with that but he wasnt. He wouldn't let leave. He redid it and came out 21oz. Exactly ! !!!!

9Ballr
07-24-2016, 10:05 PM
It is wood to wood! The phenolic is sleeved on! The sleeve and pin stabilize the cue and diminish the whipping nature of the cue. Resulting in a stiffer hit. You get less deflection in my opinion and less spin or English.

Kd

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What I mean by wood to wood is what you see on cue number B7.

http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?t=431574

The phenolic jointed cues I don't call wood to wood.
That seem smore like phenolic to phenolic.
But I'm sure my terminology, or actually understanding, is probably way off on this.

StuartTKelley
07-25-2016, 07:53 AM
I can't make my mind up on which cue to get. I had a Scruggs and loved the way it played. I like a little weight in the butt end and I like solid hit.

Frey. I loved mine and it was exactly what you described as what you like in a cue. You will not be sorry. Great cue!

fasted71465
08-02-2016, 11:30 AM
I got my Frey from Gene and I am loving it. I hits like my old Scruggs and I didn't think I would find another cue that plays that good.

Kid Dynomite
08-02-2016, 01:52 PM
I got my Frey from Gene and I am loving it. I hits like my old Scruggs and I didn't think I would find another cue that plays that good.
Pictures???

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fasted71465
08-03-2016, 11:43 AM
It is B6 that is posted in the Frey July sneakies in the for sale section.