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one stroke
07-24-2016, 06:50 PM
One of our finest players Kevin west got forfeited for the second time in 2 yrs only 2 matches he's forfieted in his life this time because , he went to his assigned table a couple minutes late , the online board showed his opponents match was still in progress he waited there till past the given time and went back to the scorers table only to find out the matched was moved to another table leaving him forfeiting the match ,
On a side note his friend played a players who's Fargo rating got lowered 60 points , to 580 , guy broke and ran 4-6 racks ,,obviously the guy had a low robust number :rolleyes:


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thintowin
07-25-2016, 05:04 AM
sounds like your friend didn;t learn his lesson the first time. when i played at the open or any large tourney i tried to show up a little early. after all what was the main reason for entering a big tourney; to play in the tourney. any other distractions would just have to wait.

personal responsibility seems to be at an all time low.

Lesh
07-25-2016, 05:34 AM
sounds like your friend didn;t learn his lesson the first time. when i played at the open or any large tourney i tried to show up a little early. after all what was the main reason for entering a big tourney; to play in the tourney. any other distractions would just have to wait.

personal responsibility seems to be at an all time low.


::::tap tap tap::::

one stroke
07-25-2016, 05:40 AM
sounds like your friend didn;t learn his lesson the first time. when i played at the open or any large tourney i tried to show up a little early. after all what was the main reason for entering a big tourney; to play in the tourney. any other distractions would just have to wait.

personal responsibility seems to be at an all time low.

ROALMAO ,, Ya cause certainly the dictatorship never makes mistakes ,, it's not Kevin's first Rodeo he's played in hundreds of events and usually goes very deep ,, he went to his table at the time he was supposed to be there , if he went to the scores table instead he would not have made it to his assigned table

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Double-Dave
07-25-2016, 05:50 AM
Your original post was not very clear. But from your second post do I understand
correctly that Kevin was at the table he was supposed to play at on time? Then when
his opponent did not show up he went back to the scores table and found out his
match had been moved to a different table?

gr. Dave

9andout
07-25-2016, 09:06 AM
Is that K. West from DELMARVA tour?
Sounds like he got screwed.
Appologies might be in order from some of the above posts.
And a reverse tap tap tap.

thintowin
07-25-2016, 09:23 AM
let me see, i have previously had to forfeit a match, no matter when it was, and this time when i arrive at my table and my opponent is not their, i leave. ok ... unless there is some other info, well "once bitten, twice shy ..." or insert your own cliche.

one stroke
07-25-2016, 10:10 AM
let me see, i have previously had to forfeit a match, no matter when it was, and this time when i arrive at my table and my opponent is not their, i leave. ok ... unless there is some other info, well "once bitten, twice shy ..." or insert your own cliche.

Just because there is a switch to light does not mean it's bright


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Kid Dynomite
07-25-2016, 10:16 AM
Nothing like from the horse's own mouth!!!

Based on this, they changed the table or time and "NEVER" notified the player of the change. End result is??? A high number of forfeits and shenanigans.

I hate hearing stories like this, especially since "Ozzy" knows the character of the person involved and the behavior of forfeiting matches is certainly not his "M-O"

KD

JC
07-25-2016, 10:35 AM
Nothing like from the horse's own mouth!!!

Based on this, they changed the table or time and "NEVER" notified the player of the change. End result is??? A high number of forfeits and shenanigans.

I hate hearing stories like this, especially since "Ozzy" knows the character of the person involved and the behavior of forfeiting matches is certainly not his "M-O"

KD

Don't they announce the player's name over the loudspeaker that they are on the clock and what table they are needed at prior to forfeiting? And doesn't the actual clock start at that announcement? That's what I have always observed from Bad Boys. If not then Kevin got screwed. If so then he should have known to listen for his name once his match time arrived and he was confused about where to be.

JC

Kid Dynomite
07-25-2016, 10:38 AM
"Ozzy's" facebook response! Only fair to post both since I see them!!!

(Ozzy Reynolds)

"So, here is what I found: Kevin's match was scored at 3:01. Kevin's opponent's match was scored at 3:02. At 3:02, the scoresheet was printed and placed in the slot for table 105. Kevin's opponent took the scoresheet sometime after 3:02 and proceeded to table 105. Kevin was not present so a referee was summoned to the table. At that time, the referee calls out "Kevin West" in a loud voice. Kevin was not present and was placed on the clock. 15 minutes later, the referee returns and again calls out "Kevin West." Kevin was not present and was forfeited per procedure.

The heart of Kevin's issue is that he says the bracket had not advanced his opponent and therefore, he assumed his match was not ready. I have never seen that happen but I am asking our programmer if that can be verified. Even if it did, we have written the procedures to protect players against any type of computer glitch or delay. If you remain at your assigned table, you cannot ever be forfeited. Even if you were on the clock and had no idea, you would be present when the referee calls your name.

This is an exact excerpt for the Tournament Regulations: " TIP! One of the most common causes of forfeits is when no score sheet is in the slot and the player incorrectly assumes that the assigned table is not available. Often, the player will wait for the score sheet at the Tournament Director’s desk or walk away and come back later. Meanwhile, the opponent may have already picked up the score sheet and has been waiting at the table. After 15 minutes, the player who is still waiting at the desk or has walked away is forfeited. Do not let this happen to you! Remember, you cannot be forfeited if you are at your assigned table."

It's not perfect and sometimes there could be technical glitches with the brackets but if the procedures are followed, you can never ever be forfeited."

KD

fastone371
07-25-2016, 10:40 AM
It definitely sounds like he took one with no lube. BCAPL makes it pretty obvious they want you to use their computers or the brackets online, if those are not updated properly the fault lands squarely on the BCAPL. I have never been to the BCA nationals but at the state tournaments a player does not get "put on the clock" until one player notifies an official his opponent is late. Some people will call a ref over if their opponent is not there by 3:00.05 for a 3:00 match, I usually wait 5-10 minutes before I will bring a ref over to notify my opponent is late, I dont wanna send someone home by forfeit, beating my opponent at the table makes me feel like I have earned the rightto still be in.

CSI Media
07-25-2016, 10:43 AM
This is Ozzy's response on Facebook.

Ozzy Reynolds: First, I know Kevin and I would never question his character. He is one of the most honest and respectable people I know. I understand his frustration so I have been personally digging into this. We dug through the thousands of scoresheets and found the one in question. At 3:12, he was not present when the referee called his name and he was placed on the clock. 15 minutes later at 3:27, the referee called his name again and he was still not present. He was then forfeited. The referee was interviewed and verified all of this.

From what Kevin wrote, his confusion was caused by the bracket not showing an opponent for him. Sometimes, technical glitches can cause a delay in the updating of the brackets...especially on a mobile device in a building with a weak signal. Therefore, we have procedures in place to circumvent that. It is quite simple...if your match is scheduled for a certain time, be at the table at that time and do not leave.

Out of tens of thousands of matches that we will have over the course of this event, the percentage of forfeits will be extremely small and many of those will be the result of people being delayed by Southwest Airlines.

So, I feel bad for Kevin because I know that he is a stand-up guy. Being forfeited is terrible. However, after spending a good amount of time personally looking into this, our staff and his opponent followed the correct procedures. If I had found any errors in the handling of this, I would take corrective action.

Kevin West: Posting a scoresheet is stating the obvious. Everyone knows I got forfeited. Thanks for the update and answers. Ozzy, you've known me long enough to know that I wouldn't make this up. You can stand by your system and I'll stand by what I've posted. It's obvious you think I'm lying. This isn't personal. Myself and others have paid and traveled to attend this event only to be disappointed with the organization of this establishment. As a coordinator, instead of battling and questioning every aspect of what I'm saying, you really should take a step back and ask yourself how to improve what is obviously failing. How do you ensure someone doesn't pick up a scorecard and leave for 15 mins and then forfeit the opponent. You should really take my suggestion and try to work on creating a better system rather than taking the negative approach.

Ozzy Reynolds: Kevin, I would never imply that you would lie. You are not that type of person. I have known you for a long time and you have always been a class act. You are correct that this is not personal at all. I have a staff of about 80 people to manage but I took several hours out of my day yesterday to personally look into this and respond. You stated that you were walking back and forth between the TD desk and table 105. That was the mistake. You were likely not in the room both times that your name was called by the referee. That is why we state in the regulations that players should simply stay at the table and not leave. I'm terribly sorry this happened to you but I could find no mistake from our referee or your opponent. They both did what they were supposed to do. The problem is that you were simply not present. If you or anyone else has good ideas for how to improve that process without slowing down the event, I am always willing to listen. Again, I'm sorry this happened to you. I truly am.

Kid Dynomite
07-25-2016, 10:46 AM
(Kevin West) Facebook Response!!!

Obviously you didn't read my post thoroughly. I'm not asking to be ushered anywhere. I want to know why two players are still being listed as having a match going on yet a scoresheet can be processed and printed for my match? Neither player had been declared a winner. It's obvious there's a problem with the system because there's several other forfeits too. My situation has nothing to do with a rule book.

KD

Teacherman
07-25-2016, 11:00 AM
For some reason I love this.

u12armresl
07-25-2016, 11:13 AM
Do we know who the wonderful person who called for a ref that quickly was?

You play in a tournament to best your fellow players, not to get "F's"

one stroke
07-25-2016, 12:41 PM
For some reason I love this.

I probably would too if Kevin was not a friend of mne ,,

First they say they want you to use their system ,, one that obviously has glitches, very predictable ones at that ,, but then you should stay at the table ,, humm why does this only aply to Kevin and not his opponent why didn't he stay at the table , why didn't they tell him to wait at the table when they put Kevin on the clock if that's infact what they tell you to do ,,

Now I know they can't afford 9ft tables for the pro's but you would think they could afford a better system than a guy yelling Kevin's name across the room not once but twice dam

Then it take several hours to find out what really happed , Ya Ok

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alstl
07-25-2016, 12:42 PM
Nothing like from the horse's own mouth!!!

Based on this, they changed the table or time and "NEVER" notified the player of the change. End result is??? A high number of forfeits and shenanigans.

I hate hearing stories like this, especially since "Ozzy" knows the character of the person involved and the behavior of forfeiting matches is certainly not his "M-O"

KD


Perhaps a better way to do it would have been to check in with the referee on table 105 - the same official the opponent told to start the clock - instead of assuming there was a match taking place and leaving.

justadub
07-25-2016, 12:57 PM
Maybe this question has been addressed before, but if they are trying to get players to use a smartphone app, that would indicate to me that they should have been able to call/text the player in the event of a table/schedule change, as opposed to yelling out his name in a crowded room.

Am I missing something? Probably....

Keith Jawahir
07-25-2016, 01:42 PM
He arrived at the designated table on time, and his match was forfeited at 3:27. How long would it take to walk back and forth between the table and tournament desk?

banditgrrr
07-25-2016, 02:13 PM
Since he had a similar issue and forfeited last year, I think the logical thing to do would be to go to table 105 at 3:00pm. If there's no opponent there, I would make it a point to call over the ref, let them know you have a match there at 3:00pm. At least that way if someone shows up with the score sheet to put you on the clock the ref will know that you were there on time and would not forfeit you.

pt109
07-25-2016, 02:33 PM
BCAPL has my sympathy....lotta players there...how do you keep track?
....pretty sure every year at the DCC, players forfeit matches...
...it's usually because the players weren't trying hard enough to look out for themselves.

u12armresl
07-25-2016, 02:46 PM
That goes way beyond what any TD should have to do.

I remember the DCC at the old EW and it was amazing the number of people who would call the tournament desk from their rooms and ask for their play times. TD got to where others would answer the phone and give out the info, and then just quit doing it because of how time consuming it was.

IMHO once this Kevin person was found at the table he should have asked the other player who asked for him to be on the clock if he wanted to play it out. While maybe the guy was looking for any way to get to the next round, sometimes the player will actually WANT to play it out and give the guy a chance to erase the forfeit.

Noticed that Lee Brett also had a F several rounds into the winners side, anyone know the story on that one?


Maybe this question has been addressed before, but if they are trying to get players to use a smartphone app, that would indicate to me that they should have been able to call/text the player in the event of a table/schedule change, as opposed to yelling out his name in a crowded room.

Am I missing something? Probably....

u12armresl
07-25-2016, 02:50 PM
Partially agree.

To me a 3PM match means a 2:45PM match.
I mean why else are you there but to play pool. 80% of your day is free, you only have to be at the table for your few matches, and early is always better.

Another reason I really like the Brickyard tournament. Match times are posted, they are adhered to, and you don't hear people complain about how he runs things.


Since he had a similar issue and forfeited last year, I think the logical thing to do would be to go to table 105 at 3:00pm. If there's no opponent there, I would make it a point to call over the ref, let them know you have a match there at 3:00pm. At least that way if someone shows up with the score sheet to put you on the clock the ref will know that you were there on time and would not forfeit you.

one stroke
07-25-2016, 02:53 PM
BCAPL has my sympathy....lotta players there...how do you keep track?
....pretty sure every year at the DCC, players forfeit matches...
...it's usually because the players weren't trying hard enough to look out for themselves.

The optimial word there usually ,,

justadub
07-25-2016, 03:24 PM
That goes way beyond what any TD should have to do.

I remember the DCC at the old EW and it was amazing the number of people who would call the tournament desk from their rooms and ask for their play times. TD got to where others would answer the phone and give out the info, and then just quit doing it because of how time consuming it was.

IMHO once this Kevin person was found at the table he should have asked the other player who asked for him to be on the clock if he wanted to play it out. While maybe the guy was looking for any way to get to the next round, sometimes the player will actually WANT to play it out and give the guy a chance to erase the forfeit.

Noticed that Lee Brett also had a F several rounds into the winners side, anyone know the story on that one?

My thought was only in event of schedule changes, not for every match. And they are the ones that are trying to get the players using phones for their app, why not have the app send a notification in the event of a schedule change?

Just thinking out loud.....the scope of the thing is daunting, I'll grant you

Wedge
07-25-2016, 04:09 PM
Mr West should have simply grabbed a tournament official. Instead now we have folks tarnishing the event and Ozzy because someone wondered around rather than getting an official. Hundreds upon hundreds of matches played and folks grab at low hanging fruit to discredit the event.

Keep up the good work CSI and Ozzy

Wedge

one stroke
07-25-2016, 05:24 PM
Mr West should have simply grabbed a tournament official. Instead now we have folks tarnishing the event and Ozzy because someone wondered around rather than getting an official. Hundreds upon hundreds of matches played and folks grab at low hanging fruit to discredit the event.

Keep up the good work CSI and Ozzy

Wedge

Why would he grap a official when the app he's told to use is showing his opponent still playing ,, why when his opponent went to the table to put Kevin on the clock was someone not smart enough to see what the app said ,, why ask people to use it if it's useless ,,
If you think this is the only problem there your living in a dream world, there's problems at every event of this magnitude ,,
Some get corrected some don't but the squeaky door is the one that gets the oil in most cases

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gregcantrall
07-25-2016, 05:26 PM
My wife and I played Scotch doubles at 9. Win or lose we had matches scheduled every hour and a half.
Our fist match we won 10 minutes before second was to start. When I turned in the score sheet it was a total cluster at the score table. The computer was down and score sheets could not be printed. It was announced if both teams were present they would give you a blank paper and you could proceed. I called out for table 165 and got no response. We waited at table 165 until 11:45 when it was announced our score sheet was ready. I went and got it and again called out for table 165 as no one had ever shown up. When I got back to the table we waited 5 minutes then
put them on the clock as our third match was scheduled to start in 6 minutes.

After 15 minutes I got the F on the score sheet and turned it in. The bracket on the in-house monitor did not even reflect our first win. I went outside to where my wife was smoking and checked my phone. It shows our first match but the names in the second bracket that I just turned in the score on are for the other couple in the 1st bracket. I hot footed it back to the score table and heard the second couples names and saw a scorer handing him a score sheet. I intercepted him and asked if our name was on it. It was a score sheet for the losers bracket and he confirmed they had lost their first match. I explained my conundrum to the score keep and showed her my phone. She just said "Oh your phone will not update as fast as ours. So I went to their monitor and it still didn't even show our 1st victory.

I had already checked the table listed for our next match and it was being played. I went back again to find our third opponents with the referee putting us on the clock.

Lonestar_jim
07-25-2016, 06:44 PM
My wife and I played Scotch doubles at 9. Win or lose we had matches scheduled every hour and a half.
Our fist match we won 10 minutes before second was to start. When I turned in the score sheet it was a total cluster at the score table. The computer was down and score sheets could not be printed. It was announced if both teams were present they would give you a blank paper and you could proceed. I called out for table 165 and got no response. We waited at table 165 until 11:45 when it was announced our score sheet was ready. I went and got it and again called out for table 165 as no one had ever shown up. When I got back to the table we waited 5 minutes then
put them on the clock as our third match was scheduled to start in 6 minutes.

After 15 minutes I got the F on the score sheet and turned it in. The bracket on the in-house monitor did not even reflect our first win. I went outside to where my wife was smoking and checked my phone. It shows our first match but the names in the second bracket that I just turned in the score on are for the other couple in the 1st bracket. I hot footed it back to the score table and heard the second couples names and saw a scorer handing him a score sheet. I intercepted him and asked if our name was on it. It was a score sheet for the losers bracket and he confirmed they had lost their first match. I explained my conundrum to the score keep and showed her my phone. She just said "Oh your phone will not update as fast as ours. So I went to their monitor and it still didn't even show our 1st victory.

I had already checked the table listed for our next match and it was being played. I went back again to find our third opponents with the referee putting us on the clock.
F'ing Technology ram job.
As a reminder to some, Kevin said his previous match finished at 2:57.

Stay at the table.

As Chef from Apocalypse Now said, "Don't get out of the boat !"

calcuttaman
07-25-2016, 08:54 PM
Do we know who the wonderful person who called for a ref that quickly was?How long is acceptable before you call a referee? In this case, the referee was called over 10 minutes after the start time of the match and he wasn't forfeited until 3:27.

Where was Kevin from 3:02 to 3:27?

JC
07-25-2016, 09:08 PM
How long is acceptable before you call a referee? In this case, the referee was called over 10 minutes after the start time of the match and he wasn't forfeited until 3:27.

Where was Kevin from 3:02 to 3:27?

Feel bad for Kevin because being forfeited is a really bad thing to have happen. But to blame the tournament is misdirected. He should have known after being forfeited before what to do. Had he done what he was supposed to do this would not have happened. Showing up at the table one time between 3:12 and 3:27 and it wouldn't have happened. That's really quite a long time. Fool me once blah blah blah......

JC

gregcantrall
07-25-2016, 11:49 PM
I do believe this tournament could have had a situation where it was next to impossible to know where you played or at what time.
I guess the added difficulty of figuring out where, when and who, was part of the challenge.

JAM
07-26-2016, 12:01 AM
What a bummer for both the tournament staff and Kevin West. I know Kevin, as does Ozzy. Traveling all the way from Delaware to Vegas is expensive and not something everybody can do or afford.

Rules are rules, and the tournament director has to go by rules, which are not going to please everybody.

Kevin is a first-class, gentleman pool player. It breaks my heart to see this happen to him. I empathize with Ozzy's stance.

Keith has been forfeited in the past. It was at Diamond Billiards in Lancaster, PA. We were staying at the hotel next door. We asked the TD how many minutes it would be for the next match, and he said we have at least an hour. We went next door to put clothes in the washing machine, gone about 15 minutes, thinking we had an hour. When we came back, within 15 minutes, Keith had been forfeited. It didn't seem fair, but what are you going to do?

Hopefully, CSI will look into these issues for future events and figure out a way to prevent this from happening. Sometimes both parties may be wrong and right at the same time when it comes to playing pool.

Baby Huey
07-26-2016, 09:40 AM
It's difficult to run a major event without having some problems. As a referee you have to look at the person, the situation and any extenuating circumstances. We all know certain players who chronically are late for various reasons mostly to do with their lack of discipline for timeliness. But in this case management has the discretionary right to alter the rules. If for any reason management wasn't clear about the time or table assignment for a match then cooler heads should have prevailed. That was not made clear in the previous threads or I didn't read them properly. If that's the case then I apologize.

fastone371
07-26-2016, 11:13 AM
Im still a little confused about exactly what happened here. Kevin should have been at table 105 with or without score sheet regardless of what the BCAPL APP said. If no opponent is there by say 3:10 I notify a ref, but at least that way his soul is pure because he is at his assigned table at the assigned time.

As far as people suggesting they send a phone notification Ozzy did say sometimes people get a weak signal or their phones dont update quick enough. Once again if you are at your assigned table at assigned time and not worrying what the APP says about your opponent it is hard to be hit with a forfeit.

I usually get to the scorers table 20-30 minutes early to check on their computers my match time and table assignment then I will go to my table for some practice or a nearby open table. I had one instance where I went to check the table for my next match and an earlier match was still in progress, I went outside for 5 minutes to smoke and my opponent was at the table with a ref at 1 minute past start time trying to put me on the clock, it was a non issue, I moved him to the losers side. :grin-square:

oneshotwiss
08-01-2016, 06:31 PM
I played my second round winners bracket match on Sunday which was scheduled for 1:30 at about 2:45 so everything gets so far behind so fast that match times go out the window anyway

SWRLE
08-01-2016, 08:11 PM
"That is why we state in the regulations that players should simply stay at the table and not leave."

This policy does not work when there is no scoresheet at the table. Player is on time. Checks for scoresheet before heading to assigned table. No scoresheet. Goes to table and starts waiting. No opponent. Now what?

Celtic
08-01-2016, 08:50 PM
I played my second round winners bracket match on Sunday which was scheduled for 1:30 at about 2:45 so everything gets so far behind so fast that match times go out the window anyway

I had a friend scheduled for a match at 8PM that did not start until ~1AM due to matches falling behind. Are players expected to sit at a table waiting for 5 hours not knowing if/when the backlogged matches might catch up or if/when to dare go and attempt to see what is going on or attempt to grab a scorecard?

CSI "What, you attempted to go grab your scorecard? Well that is where you screwed up~ Forfeit!"

And when things get backlogged match locations start to get shuffled. You can be sitting at table 105 wondering what the heck is going on and low and behold your match suddenly gets moved somewhere else.

Kevin was not wrong here, he took what information CSI gave him in the format CSI offers and tried to figure out what was going on and he got screwed for it, and Ozzy has decided to stubbornly refuse to accept any responsibility in CSI's system failure and blame a player that was trying to figure out what was going on and looking for his scoresheet that he had "no" reason to assume had been picked up by anyone due to absolutely nothing indicating the previous match was even over.

How the heck does Kevin even know the scoresheet is picked up? He goes to check for a scorecard and he gets forfeited for it? Weak CSI, fix your tournament and stop blaming everyone else for your own failings every bloody time...

SWRLE
08-01-2016, 09:00 PM
(Kevin West) Facebook Response!!!

Obviously you didn't read my post thoroughly. I'm not asking to be ushered anywhere. I want to know why two players are still being listed as having a match going on yet a scoresheet can be processed and printed for my match? Neither player had been declared a winner. It's obvious there's a problem with the system because there's several other forfeits too. My situation has nothing to do with a rule book.

KD

It is still not clear what happened here. The OP says there was a table change involved but none of the later dialogue confirms this. That would be a valid protest if both players don't know about a table change. Secondly, Kevin says he went to 105 close to match time before he was forfeited and saw people practicing there. Unsaid is the fact the opponent and the scoresheet were obviously not there either. So either he got there and left before the opponent put him on the clock - or his evil minded opponent put him on the clock and disappeared. This latter, hard to believe case would be a valid protest too. But the central issue seems to be reliance on bracket updates as a means of determining one's next match status. This is unreliable. If you go to your assigned table within 15 minutes of your post time and wait there you cannot be forfeited. If there is no opponent and no scoresheet notify the ref you are leaving to check for a scoresheet. If you don't trust ref's memory ask him to record the time on a note at your table showing you have appeared. If there is still no scoresheet ask desk if it is printed. If it still isn't printed repeat. If it has been printed return to the table and put your opponent on the clock. Checking bracket updates may be helpful but nothing to rely upon.

Celtic
08-01-2016, 09:01 PM
"That is why we state in the regulations that players should simply stay at the table and not leave."

This policy does not work when there is no scoresheet at the table. Player is on time. Checks for scoresheet before heading to assigned table. No scoresheet. Goes to table and starts waiting. No opponent. Now what?

You go look to see if a scoresheet has been printed recently and check to see what match you are waiting for and why there is a holdup and get forfeited, obviously.

The problem here is that the tournament director refuses to admit there is a problem, and thus the problem will continue to exist.

WTF is with the "the ref yelled really loud"? What happened to 5 minute calls over the mic so that Kevin could actually hear the warning from anywhere in the tournament room while he is running around trying to find out what is going on and where his opponent is?

SWRLE
08-01-2016, 09:08 PM
I played my second round winners bracket match on Sunday which was scheduled for 1:30 at about 2:45 so everything gets so far behind so fast that match times go out the window anyway
If both players appear at their appointed time and the table is backed up they simply go to the desk and request a table change. Saw it many times and never saw it refused. Sometimes you have to wait a few minutes to get the change.

SWRLE
08-01-2016, 09:17 PM
He arrived at the designated table on time, and his match was forfeited at 3:27. How long would it take to walk back and forth between the table and tournament desk?

About 2 min. Table 105 is in same room as tournament desk.

HoustonInt
08-01-2016, 09:45 PM
I played several matches on table 105 and its maybe a 30 sec walk to the tournament desk. Even if you go to the desk to check, you would be back in way less than 15 min required for a forfeit.


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JumpinJoe
08-01-2016, 11:17 PM
All I know is Ozzy is never wrong, no way you could say bad boys or the bca was responsible for anything to do with a forfeit, they are always on top of every aspect. COUGH. Ozzy is the best thing for pool since sliced bread.