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Brags
07-29-2017, 09:18 AM
Saw it for the first time recently. Wow. What a terrible movie. I could barely get through it...kept thinking...no...it can't be this bad...no way. Well it was. Were they trying to make it over the top cheesy or something? Now, the color of money is a great movie. You don't even need to be into pool to enjoy it.

If you want to watch a good movie on pool (documentary) then watch Earls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GtSYMM-u9Y

Texas Carom Club
07-29-2017, 09:25 AM
You actually made a decent point

Atrocious film

pt109
07-29-2017, 09:36 AM
Any movie with Christopher Walken in it cannot be completely atrocious...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHAiIq-Yeo

billiardthought
07-29-2017, 09:37 AM
I hated it at first but to be honest it has grown on me. I will probably watch it today just because you mentioned it.

Brags
07-29-2017, 09:48 AM
Any movie with Christopher Walken in it cannot be completely atrocious...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHAiIq-Yeo

Until now. Actually he has been in some stinkers...
http://www.flickchart.com/Charts.aspx?actor=Christopher+Walken&perpage=20&order=desc

mchnhed
07-29-2017, 10:19 AM
Now, the color of money is a great movie. You don't even need to be into pool to enjoy it.

Really? Not according to Siskel & Ebert and a lot of pool players.
Actually you Do need to be a non-pool person to enjoy it.

Review: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0HdfCgeAQ

Ebert Written Review: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-color-of-money-1986

Siskel Written Review: Sequel To `Hustler` Is A Disappointment
October 17, 1986|By Gene Siskel.

Our Flick of the Week is Martin Scorsese`s eagerly awaited ``The Color of Money,`` a continuation of ``The Hustler`` (1961), the classic pool room saga about a drifter who has to be put through the ringer and a personal crisis before he can rid his ``loser`` tag and become a self-respecting winner.

Paul Newman repeats his role as ``Fast Eddie`` Felson, a former pool hustler who is now making money with a liquor distribution scam. But Felson returns to hustling pool after he spots a raw young talent in the form of Tom Cruise, who has all the right moves but none of the guile of the hustler.

The premise might sound interesting, but the plotting is so utterly predictable--as Newman and Cruise quarrel and make up, and quarrel and have problems with their respective girlfriends--that ``The Color of Money`` turns into a pool-room variation of ``The Karate Kid.``

The problem may be that Scorsese, arguably America`s most gifted and gritty director, is working from a script not written by one of his veteran collaborators, and so the grit is gone. All of the performances are fine. Newman is particularly effective, but he is forced to run a familiar treadmill. And so ``The Color of Money`` joins ``Heartburn`` as one of the biggest disappointments of 1986. Both films should have been so much better, considering the talents involved.

2-1/2 Stars

skip100
07-29-2017, 10:28 AM
That's a little harsh, and not in line with the majority of reviews at the time. http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-color-of-money/critic-reviews
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/color_of_money/

Brags
07-29-2017, 10:29 AM
Really? Not according to Siskel & Ebert and a lot of pool players.
Actually you Do need to be a non-pool person to enjoy it.

Review: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0HdfCgeAQ

Ebert Written Review: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-color-of-money-1986

Siskel Written Review: Sequel To `Hustler` Is A Disappointment
October 17, 1986|By Gene Siskel.

Our Flick of the Week is Martin Scorsese`s eagerly awaited ``The Color of Money,`` a continuation of ``The Hustler`` (1961), the classic pool room saga about a drifter who has to be put through the ringer and a personal crisis before he can rid his ``loser`` tag and become a self-respecting winner.

Paul Newman repeats his role as ``Fast Eddie`` Felson, a former pool hustler who is now making money with a liquor distribution scam. But Felson returns to hustling pool after he spots a raw young talent in the form of Tom Cruise, who has all the right moves but none of the guile of the hustler.

The premise might sound interesting, but the plotting is so utterly predictable--as Newman and Cruise quarrel and make up, and quarrel and have problems with their respective girlfriends--that ``The Color of Money`` turns into a pool-room variation of ``The Karate Kid.``

The problem may be that Scorsese, arguably America`s most gifted and gritty director, is working from a script not written by one of his veteran collaborators, and so the grit is gone. All of the performances are fine. Newman is particularly effective, but he is forced to run a familiar treadmill. And so ``The Color of Money`` joins ``Heartburn`` as one of the biggest disappointments of 1986. Both films should have been so much better, considering the talents involved.

2-1/2 Stars

Um...................................

pt109
07-29-2017, 10:31 AM
Until now. Actually he has been in some stinkers...
http://www.flickchart.com/Charts.aspx?actor=Christopher+Walken&perpage=20&order=desc

They just needed more cowbell.

BassMasterK
07-29-2017, 10:37 AM
Saw it for the first time recently. Wow. What a terrible movie. I could barely get through it...kept thinking...no...it can't be this bad...no way. Well it was. Were they trying to make it over the top cheesy or something? Now, the color of money is a great movie. You don't even need to be into pool to enjoy it.

If you want to watch a good movie on pool (documentary) then watch Earls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GtSYMM-u9Y

Roger Ebert gave Poolhall Junkies 3/4 stars and The Color of Money 2.5/4 stars.

Both movies are rated 7/10 on imdb.

It may just not be what you were expecting or looking for but there are a lot of people that like both movies. I think The Color of Money is amazing, but I would have to put Poolhall Junkies in the top 4 or 5 in the genre for sure. It is a fun movie, that keeps it light throughout.

I have Earl's documentary on my watch list, thanks for the reminder.

Brags
07-29-2017, 10:48 AM
Roger Ebert gave Poolhall Junkies 3/4 stars and The Color of Money 2.5/4 stars.

Both movies are rated 7/10 on imdb.

I would have to put Poolhall Junkies in the top 4 or 5 in the genre for sure.


I would agree with that considering the genre only had 4 movies before pool hall junkies was made. :)

1. Color of money
2. The Hustler
3. Fresh Prince of Belair episode
4. Secrets of Pool Hustling (youtube it)
5. Pool hall junkies

Poolhall60561
07-29-2017, 10:59 AM
My favorite TV Pool sitcom was the one with Mr Ed
That horse could shoot some good pool

BassMasterK
07-29-2017, 11:08 AM
I would agree with that considering the genre only had 4 movies before pool hall junkies was made. :)

1. Color of money
2. The Hustler
3. Fresh Prince of Belair episode
4. Secrets of Pool Hustling (youtube it)
5. Pool hall junkies

That actually made me LOL. Well played, sir.

ctyhntr
07-29-2017, 11:09 AM
Have you ever checked out Pakners, Baltimore Bullet, 9-Ball The Movie, or the TV show The Hustlers?

mchnhed
07-29-2017, 11:20 AM
Um..........TCOM got the Best Actor Award.
LA LA Land got nominated for Best Picture also.
No accounting for taste!
Paul Newman won the award Not the movie!

mchnhed
07-29-2017, 11:35 AM
I would agree with that considering the genre only had 4 movies before pool hall junkies was made. :)

1. Color of money
2. The Hustler
3. Fresh Prince of Belair episode
4. Secrets of Pool Hustling (youtube it)
5. Pool hall junkies

That actually made me LOL. Well played, sir.

My favorite TV Pool sitcom was the one with Mr Ed
That horse could shoot some good pool

Have you ever checked out Pakners, Baltimore Bullet, 9-Ball The Movie, or the TV show The Hustlers?

Every Billiards movie, TV Show, Short Film, etc.
http://www.billiardsmovies.com/complete-list-of-movies-shorts-and-tv-shows/

WC Fields
Oliver and Hardy
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Beverly Hillbillies
Star Trek on several episodes
The Drew Carey Show had a pool table in the backyard!
Bud Lite commercials with famous pool player Steve Mizerak
Many, many more.

Brags
07-29-2017, 11:40 AM
WC Fields
Oliver and Hardy
The Dick Van Dyke Show
Beverly Hillbillies
Star Trek on several episodes
The Drew Carey Show had a pool table in the backyard!
Bud Lite commercials with famous pool player Steve Mizerak
Many, many more.

Oh ya...so did star trek voyager...:)
https://youtu.be/65JNgSoHd_c?t=2m22s

(Fresh Prince)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7u1SGsT51w

strmanglr scott
07-29-2017, 12:04 PM
Brags if you've only seen it once you really don't have the knowledge to talk on it.

I like it.

It's fun to catch the movie mistakes in it.

GoldCrown
07-29-2017, 12:20 PM
Saw it for the first time recently. Wow. What a terrible movie.
I watched 5 minutes and turned it off. What a waste of 5 minutes..

Brags
07-29-2017, 12:21 PM
Brags if you've only seen it once you really don't have the knowledge to talk on it.

I like it.

It's fun to catch the movie mistakes in it.

Ok if we are watching it to enjoy how bad it is then that's a whole different story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP5sQsHTFoU

Lol...sry I can't watch this again...I just can't.

efirkey
07-29-2017, 12:31 PM
Twilight Zone and Quantum Leap both have very good pool playing episodes

JoeyInCali
07-29-2017, 12:31 PM
I couldn't get past Ricky Schroeder's graphite cue and shooting.
Rod Steiger still regrets making this his last movie.

RealLive
07-29-2017, 12:33 PM
on a bright note, Mike Massey will be at Big Tyme Billiards today!!!

strmanglr scott
07-29-2017, 12:35 PM
Ok if we are watching it to enjoy how bad it is then that's a whole different story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP5sQsHTFoU

Lol...sry I can't watch this again...I just can't.

I watch it for the soundtrack

TATE
07-29-2017, 12:40 PM
What we are seeing is Pool Hall Junkies can now be considered a cult film in the billiards world. I see the movie poster t shirts all the time in pool halls.

DJSTEVEZ
07-29-2017, 12:55 PM
The problem with the Color Of Money is they savagely cut out the heart & soul of Walter Tevis' novel by the same name. They rewrote the story to center around Tom Crusie and inspite of the movie not being horrible, it's nowhere close to the masterpiece it could've been. I thought crusie sucked in it, btw.

Pool Hall Junkies was a fun movie. It wasn't ever meant to be a serious drama, so if that's what people went in expecting they couldn't help, but be disappointed. I found it more to be a celebration of Pool, espcially Pool cliches and had no problem bordering on making fun of them a little bit. To me it's a movie that doesn't take itself too seriously and in fact is happy to leverage that and play around with it. Chazz Palminteri is an excellent actor, so if it appeared he was way over acting his part, that was by design, not an off day. Marrs Calahan nailed the role and reminded me of 1 NYC Hustler I know to the point I wonder to this day if he knew him (New Rochelle Johnny, aka Johnny B).

You really don't know what an unwatchable Pool movie is until you've tried to watch either:

"Virgin Pockets" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIutVllgDiM

or

"Kiss Shot" (w/ Whoopi Goldberg) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmwQRM71Mk.

They make COM & PHJ look like a lock for the best picture Oscar.

-Z-

Chi2dxa
07-29-2017, 03:44 PM
That is one of my favorite movies and now I am going to have to cue it up and watch it again.:thumbup::thumbup:

Dead Money
07-29-2017, 03:54 PM
Have you ever checked out Pakners, Baltimore Bullet, 9-Ball The Movie, or the TV show The Hustlers?

Baltimore Bullet wasn't to bad. There were a lot cameos of good players in that.

I know it is fashionable to loathe Pool Hall Junkies but I don't think it is that bad!:)

Straightpool_99
07-29-2017, 04:12 PM
Baltimore Bullet wasn't to bad. There were a lot cameos of good players in that.

I know it is fashionable to loathe Pool Hall Junkies but I don't think it is that bad!:)

They are both TERRIBLE!!! Baltimore Bullet was cheesy and lame. Cameos are not really going to save a bad movie, and bad it was.

What do you mean "fashionable" to hate Poolhall junkies? I can't even imagine who would like it. Even Christopher Walken can't save this bs movie. The lead actor is a complete joke, the plot is lame, the pool is even bad! I mean being "likeable" is something that many think is important for the main character in a hero story like this to be. Well, after looking at the main characters stupid face and listened to his awful line delivery the only emotion I had was a near uncontrollable urge to punch him over and over. I mean, they actually had a decent budget, they had some actors that were half decent (except the lead) and one great one, but that was all for nothing.

Have you ever been dragged to a movie by a girl and then completely lost respect for her for actually liking it? "Fifty shades of Grey" cough, cough...If you took a girl to see "Poolhall junkies" there is a good chance she'd leave you or at least force you to quit pool. Not because of the shadyness but the pure stink of lameness this movie has stained it with.

Brags
07-29-2017, 04:21 PM
I watched 5 minutes and turned it off. What a waste of 5 minutes..

Ha ha ha...I wish we had a thumbs up feature for stuff like this. :)

strmanglr scott
07-29-2017, 05:06 PM
The problem with the Color Of Money is they savagely cut out the heart & soul of Walter Tevis' novel by the same name. They rewrote the story to center around Tom Crusie and inspite of the movie not being horrible, it's nowhere close to the masterpiece it could've been. I thought crusie sucked in it, btw.

Pool Hall Junkies was a fun movie. It wasn't ever meant to be a serious drama, so if that's what people went in expecting they couldn't help, but be disappointed. I found it more to be a celebration of Pool, espcially Pool cliches and had no problem bordering on making fun of them a little bit. To me it's a movie that doesn't take itself too seriously and in fact is happy to leverage that and play around with it. Chazz Palminteri is an excellent actor, so if it appeared he was way over acting his part, that was by design, not an off day. Marrs Calahan nailed the role and reminded me of 1 NYC Hustler I know to the point I wonder to this day if he knew him (New Rochelle Johnny, aka Johnny B).

You really don't know what an unwatchable Pool movie is until you've tried to watch either:

"Virgin Pockets" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIutVllgDiM

or

"Kiss Shot" (w/ Whoopi Goldberg) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOmwQRM71Mk.

They make COM & PHJ look like a lock for the best picture Oscar.

-Z-
Lmao, I just was able to watch the virgin pockets trailer. Omg, that is the worst...I can hardly even say it...acting.

I can't think of a more appropriate use of the saying, "some things are better left to the professionals".

Wow.

Was that filmed w a cell phone?

Pleinairrider
07-30-2017, 01:07 AM
The ONLY pool movie is The Hustler. The Color of Money has some nice shots but its poor movie. Definitely not as bad as Pool Hall Junkies. So 1. Hustler and a far 2. Color of Money

jasonlaus
07-30-2017, 01:43 AM
I like PHJ better than any of em
Jason

Petros Andrikop
07-30-2017, 01:54 AM
Actually Pool Hall Junkies is quite entertaining, I consider it my 3rd favorite Pool movie after the Hustler (1st favorite) and The Color of Money (2nd favorite).
Not easy to produce a good movie of this kind.
Petros

Brags
07-30-2017, 03:09 AM
The ONLY pool movie is The Hustler. The Color of Money has some nice shots but its poor movie. Definitely not as bad as Pool Hall Junkies. So 1. Hustler and a far 2. Color of Money

I like PHJ better than any of em
Jason

Actually Pool Hall Junkies is quite entertaining, I consider it my 3rd favorite Pool movie after the Hustler (1st favorite) and The Color of Money (2nd favorite).
Not easy to produce a good movie of this kind.
Petros

Really its not even up for debate. The Color of Money is a 1984 novel by American novelist Walter Tevis. It is the sequel to his 1959 novel, The Hustler.
The color of money was one of the best movies ever made...not only a pool movie. It won academy awards...it transcended just the pool genre. It's scenes are debated to this day. It was the reason for the resurgence of pool in the 90's. The actors, the score, the scenes...It was a cinematic masterpiece. It was directed by Martin Scorsese...the director of taxi driver, raging bull, and goodfellas...arguably the best mob movie ever made...which apparently he got the idea from doing the color of money.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/69929/17-bankable-facts-about-color-money
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/color_of_money

Mars Callahan was the director, screenwriter, and actor in Pool hall junkies...he played the character "Johnny". It's not even worthy of a comparison. It was a low budget effort that probably just went straight to video...atleast I don't even remember hearing about it.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/poolhall_junkies/

mchnhed
07-30-2017, 04:45 AM
Really its not even up for debate.
The color of money was one of the best movies ever made...not only a pool movie.
Best Movie Ever?! Better than "The Hustler?


It won academy awards...
It's scenes are debated to this day.
It was the reason for the resurgence of pool in the 90's.
The actors, the score, the scenes...It was a cinematic masterpiece.
The Movie "won" NO Awards. Paul Newman won for Best Actor.

The pool scenes are debated as being laughable, the story gutted the book, the plot was predictable.

The resurgence of pool in the late 80's was due to the publishing of "A Beginner's Guide to Playing 8 Ball" by Poolkillers Not TCOM!

Masterpiece?

Brags, you are too transparent as a Troll.

garczar
07-30-2017, 04:56 AM
Best Movie Ever?!


The Movie "won" NO Awards. Paul Newman won for Best Actor.

The pool scenes are debated as being laughable, the story gutted the book, the plot was predictable.

The resurgence of pool in the late 80's was due to the publishing of "A Beginner's Guide to Playing 8 Ball" by Poolkillers Not TCOM!

Masterpiece?

Brags, you are too transparent as a Troll.You ACTUALLY believe that book started a pool resurgence? You need to step away from the pipe before it burns your lips. I was playing a LOT in the 1980-86 timeframe. Pool was doing ok with a lot of tournaments and good action(pre-casino days). When CoM came out pool went NUTS. Hell, in the Tulsa area alone we had something like 4-5 cuemakers start up. I don't know 3 people who have ever heard of much less seen this book you keep talking about. CoM wasn't even close to the Hustler but it DID kick-start pool nationwide.

Dexter36
07-30-2017, 07:42 AM
I beat Mars, the main actor in the movie. He ran the rack on me and then scratched the 8 ball. Guy has the softest handshake of any human being I have ever met.

Color of money was a good reason to pop popcorn and enjoy something for a couple hours, Cruise and Newman were good enough to be good for pool world... The Hustler is and always will be 1000 x better movie than Color of Money and Poolhall Junkies combined.

I know the guy that owns the 8 footer from the PJ's.. he's looking to sell it, if anyone is interested pm me. I bought a 9 off him instead once I figured out it would fit ok.

Dexter36
07-30-2017, 07:45 AM
While the PJ's the movie didn't do well, it certainly had it's run through the theatres, definitely did not go straight to video.

cuesblues
07-30-2017, 07:59 AM
Now, the color of money is a great movie. You don't even need to be into pool to enjoy it



Your say that some people out there are not into pool?
I've never heard of such a thing.
How could anyone not like pool especially with all of the cool pool cues, cases, tip tools and shit.
I think some people need to get a life.

Not into pool...I'll be damned

overlord
07-30-2017, 08:04 AM
Mars and Chris Corso wrote PHJs while playing pool at the greatest pool hall I've ever frequented. The Hollywood Athletic Club.

Robert Cotton was the house pro. It was at least 30,000 sq. ft. PHJs was not exactly a David Lean epic but it has grown on me over the years.

Mars was a straight up hustler and if you got on his wrong side you got a fist sandwich. Those were the days and they ain't coming back anytime soon.

What a place.

jay helfert
07-30-2017, 10:42 AM
Mars, Chris and Bobby are all friends of mine. Chris called me to talk about the movie and having me play a part in it. I was unable to and they cast Richard Portnoy as me in the tournament scene. I told Chris I never liked the name Pool Hall Junkies. I thought it had a bad connotation to it, that another name may have worked better. Besides being a mediocre movie the extensive use of the F word in every scene was a turn off to me. There is a reason it only lasted one week in the theaters.

The Hustler remains a classic movie, studied by students who are learning the art of movie making. It is much more than a Pool movie, it is a well told and very sad love story. The acting is superb and each scene is well crafted from beginning to end. There is no other pool related movie (or TV show) that even compares with it.

overlord
07-30-2017, 11:15 AM
Say what you will about PHJs but the fact is: how many young hustlers get to co-write, direct and star in their own movies?

I'll answer my own rhetorical question. None. Folks need to give Mars some credit.

I knew all these guys and played pool with both Mars and Chris. As far as the Hollywood Athletic Club it was the tits and made most rooms look like a slum.

The halcyon days of the big upscale poolrooms is long gone in LA. I had so much fun at the HAC it should have been illegal.

Low500
07-30-2017, 11:58 AM
Mars and Chris Corso wrote PHJs while playing pool at the greatest pool hall I've ever frequented. The Hollywood Athletic Club.
Robert Cotton was the house pro. It was at least 30,000 sq. ft. PHJs was not exactly a David Lean epic but it has grown on me over the years.
Mars was a straight up hustler and if you got on his wrong side you got a fist sandwich. Those were the days and they ain't coming back anytime soon.
What a place.
How did these people who had reputations about 'delivering a fist sandwich' keep from getting a bullet between the eyes or gasoline and a lit match tossed on them once they walked out of the place?
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

overlord
07-30-2017, 12:17 PM
How did these people who had reputations about 'delivering a fist sandwich' keep from getting a bullet between the eyes or gasoline and a lit match tossed on them once they walked out of the place?
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

That's a good question it certainly crossed some people's minds.

ctyhntr
07-30-2017, 12:22 PM
What was your opinion on the Toupee Jay character?

Mars, Chris and Bobby are all friends of mine. Chris called me to talk about the movie and having me play a part in it. I was unable to and they cast Richard Portnoy as me in the tournament scene. I told Chris I never liked the name Pool Hall Junkies. I thought it had a bad connotation to it, that another name may have worked better. Besides being a mediocre movie the extensive use of the F word in every scene was a turn off to me. There is a reason it only lasted one week in the theaters.

The Hustler remains a classic movie, studied by students who are learning the art of movie making. It is much more than a Pool movie, it is a well told and very sad love story. The acting is superb and each scene is well crafted from beginning to end. There is no other pool related movie (or TV show) that even compares with it.

mchnhed
07-30-2017, 02:22 PM
As far as the Hollywood Athletic Club it was the tits and made most rooms look like a slum.

The halcyon days of the big upscale poolrooms is long gone in LA.
I had so much fun at the HAC it should have been illegal.
Why are those days gone in L.A.?
What happened to the Hollywood Atheltic Club?

DJSTEVEZ
07-30-2017, 03:56 PM
Mars and Chris Corso wrote PHJs while playing pool at the greatest pool hall I've ever frequented. The Hollywood Athletic Club.

I visited LA in the early 90's and HAC was on the top of my list to see and see it I did. Clearly no expense was spared and it was the Catherdral of all Pool halls. I've seen a lot of Pool halls in my day, but nothing could ever compare to HAC...and I honestly expect never to see another one that does.

ctyhntr
07-30-2017, 04:00 PM
The Color of Money was released 31 years ago and The Hustler is 56 years old. I agree with you, it seems fashionable to rank on any film younger than their great grand kids. :-)

Baltimore Bullet wasn't to bad. There were a lot cameos of good players in that.

I know it is fashionable to loathe Pool Hall Junkies but I don't think it is that bad!:)

slide13
07-30-2017, 04:05 PM
I love PHJ, it's just a fun movie. No, it's not the caliber of The Hustler or The Color of Money but its smart enough to not try to be. It has fun and keeps it light. For that reason I actually put it on once a month or so probably as I just find it enjoyable.

BassMasterK
07-30-2017, 05:11 PM
I love PHJ, it's just a fun movie. No, it's not the caliber of The Hustler or The Color of Money but its smart enough to not try to be. It has fun and keeps it light. For that reason I actually put it on once a month or so probably as I just find it enjoyable.

You nailed it with "fun". The movie reminds me of the time I spent with a group of friend back when I was living pool every day, it just does it in an over the top way. We all loved the game and played it as much as we could. We were trying to avoid "growing up" and getting "regular" jobs. We would bet on anything and everything. We had each others backs. It was a bit like the show Cheers where just walking into the pool hall, you knew you would see several friends who were all happy to see you and had the same love for this amazing game that you had.

I feel like out of all the pool movies out there, this one captured that vibe the best. Is it the greatest pool movie ever? No. But it is a fun movie.

jay helfert
07-30-2017, 07:14 PM
What was your opinion on the Toupee Jay character?

He looked a lot like me. So much so that some people congratulated me on my acting job in the movie. :rolleyes:
I met him at the Premiere and he was a very nice guy. Quite a well known character actor in Hollywood (Richard Portnoy).

mchnhed
07-30-2017, 07:21 PM
So why did this place "Hollywood Athletic Club" go out of business if it was so doing so well?

I visited LA in the early 90's and HAC was on the top of my list to see and see it I did. Clearly no expense was spared and it was the Catherdral of all Pool halls. I've seen a lot of Pool halls in my day, but nothing could ever compare to HAC...and I honestly expect never to see another one that does.

Why are those days gone in L.A.?
What happened to the Hollywood Atheltic Club?


The greatest pool hall I've ever frequented. The Hollywood Athletic Club.
Robert Cotton was the house pro.
It was at least 30,000 sq. ft.

Those were the days and they ain't coming back anytime soon.
What a place.

jay helfert
07-30-2017, 07:24 PM
So why did this place "Hollywood Athletic Club" go out of business if it was so doing so well?

Lost their lease. They had a good run of over fifteen years.

mchnhed
07-30-2017, 07:30 PM
I heard it was a bad remodel and decoration job.

Lost their lease. They had a good run of over fifteen years.

So why did this place "Hollywood Athletic Club" go out of business if it was so doing so well?

pt109
07-30-2017, 08:10 PM
He looked a lot like me. So much so that some people congratulated me on my acting job in the movie. :rolleyes:
I met him at the Premiere and he was a very nice guy. Quite a well known character actor in Hollywood (Richard Portnoy).

Soooo...you got no Portnoy's Complaint? :)

ChicagoRJ
07-30-2017, 08:58 PM
Say what you will about PHJs but the fact is: how many young hustlers get to co-write, direct and star in their own movies?

.

M'Lord,
And the correct answer is they should NOT have been allowed to. It was beyond horrible. The writing was atrocious, the plot was a disaster, and folks that make movies like this usually don't make a second movie unless they are named Ed Wood.

And it certainly does not help the next guy who writes a billiard related screen play ;)

I thought I should really watch it a second time to make sure my opinion of it is valid, but I'm afraid I'll stab myself in the eyes with a fork if I do :)

The best review I could find for this on Rotten Tomatoes was this: If you saw this film, then you were hustled or The cinematic equivalent of a train wreck.

cuesblues
07-30-2017, 08:59 PM
A rare groaner by pt109

Portnoy's Complaint

:embarrassed2:

I have important cue stuff to deal with, and I don't have time for bad jokes.
The Pool Sharks reruns on TruTV take up enough of my time.

:smile:

jay helfert
07-30-2017, 10:14 PM
Soooo...you got no Portnoy's Complaint? :)

When they closed HAC, I was able to buy sixteen of their tables at a greatly discounted price. I stored them in a friends storage space and slowly sold them off one by one. It took me about three months to turn them all, saving the last one for my friend who got it for cost, thanks to letting me use his storage.

hotelyorba
07-31-2017, 01:57 AM
The Color of Money was released 31 years ago and The Hustler is 56 years old. I agree with you, it seems fashionable to rank on any film younger than their great grand kids. :-)

Seems like it's time for a third installment, this time with Vincent as the older and wiser teacher-like poolshark who takes on a young protege. C'mon, who's with me? :thumbup:

But on topic: I don't think PHJ is a great movie or even a good movie, and still it's one of those movies I re-watch at least once a year. As is TCOM. I think that just says something about a certain quality they both apparently have.
I tried to watch The Hustler again recently, but I could not get through it past the first half hour. It's just gotten too slow-paced for me.

Low500
07-31-2017, 05:29 AM
Why are those days gone in L.A.?
What happened to the Hollywood Atheltic Club?
The world changed.
Just about everything became politicized.
Those who "long for those days" are old men....lost in the past.
:thumbup:

mchnhed
07-31-2017, 05:36 AM
Please explain your statements when you make them people!


The world changed.
Just about everything became politicized.
Those who "long for those days" are lost in the past.
:thumbup:

Why are those days gone in L.A.?
What happened to the Hollywood Atheltic Club?

Low500
07-31-2017, 05:39 AM
Please explain your statements when you make them people!

Why?
The statement in itself is explanation enough.
No need for long winded editorializing.

mchnhed
07-31-2017, 05:45 AM
Please explain your statements when you make them people![/B]


[QUOTE=Low500;5937104]The world changed.
Just about everything became politicized.
Those who "long for those days" are old men....lost in the past.
:thumbup:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

'Youth is wasted on the young.'

Why?
The statement in itself is explanation enough.
No need for long winded editorializing.
How has the World changed? How does that change affect the Business of a Billiards Room?
Politicized? What has been Politicized?
How does "that thing" being Politicized affect the business of a Billiards Room?

easy-e
07-31-2017, 06:01 AM
[QUOTE=mchnhed;5937108]
Please explain your statements when you make them people![/B]



Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

'Youth is wasted on the young.'


How has the World changed? How does that change affect the Business of a Billiards Room?
Politicized? What has been Politicized?
How does "that thing" being Politicized affect the business of a Billiards Room?


I think you care way too much about what other people post.

Low500
07-31-2017, 06:08 AM
I think you care way too much about what other people post.
^ What he said.
:thumbup:

mchnhed
07-31-2017, 06:39 AM
Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?

"Your reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable not for the rightness but uprightness of the decision.... Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion." Thomas Jefferson

I forgot this is a "Pool" Forum.
Sorry, I'm expecting too much.
^ What he said.
:thumbup:

[QUOTE=mchnhed;5937118]

I think you care way too much about what other people post.

[QUOTE=mchnhed;5937108]
Please explain your statements when you make them people![/B]



Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

'Youth is wasted on the young.'


How has the World changed? How does that change affect the Business of a Billiards Room?
Politicized? What has been Politicized?
How does "that thing" being Politicized affect the business of a Billiards Room?


Why?
The statement in itself is explanation enough.
No need for long winded editorializing.

easy-e
07-31-2017, 06:42 AM
Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?



[QUOTE=easy-e;5937125]

[QUOTE=mchnhed;5937118]

Would you like to have a discussion with a person if they always had you break down your statements into great detail? Maybe you would, who knows? I refuse to elaborate further on my previous statement. But feel free to ask me to do so.

mchnhed
07-31-2017, 06:50 AM
[QUOTE=mchnhed;5937163]Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?
[QUOTE=easy-e;5937125]
Would you like to have a discussion with a person if they always had you break down your statements into great detail? Maybe you would, who knows? I refuse to elaborate further on my previous statement. But feel free to ask me to do so.
I asked for detail because there was none to begin with.

"A patient pursuit of facts, and cautious combination and comparison of them is the drudgery to which man is subjected by his Maker if he wishes to attain sure knowledge." Thomas Jefferson

"Our age has obliterated human magnificence by linking a banality with a non sequitur - the observation that everyone has flaws, and the conclusion that therefore no one merits emulation. Having denied the possibility of human excellence, we also have obliterated the reality of human depravity by the doctrine of the moral equivalence of all 'lifestyles'.

The idea is abroad that there is no moral heritage worth "imposing" on children, respect for whom requires that their selection of "values" be regarded as a mere matter of taste.

This is why so many students never criticize a proposition by saying, "I believe you are mistaken for the following reason." Instead, they give autobiographical reports such as "I'm not comfortable with that." Students regard such reports about their "feelings" as final and no more in need of justification than the assertion...."I don't like Brussels sprouts."

George Will

ChicagoRJ
07-31-2017, 07:05 AM
[QUOTE=easy-e;5937166][QUOTE=mchnhed;5937163]Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?

I asked for detail because there was none to begin with.

"A patient pursuit of facts, and cautious combination and comparison of them is the drudgery to which man is subjected by his Maker if he wishes to attain sure knowledge." Thomas Jefferson

"Our age has obliterated human magnificence by linking a banality with a non sequitur - the observation that everyone has flaws, and the conclusion that therefore no one merits emulation. Having denied the possibility of human excellence, we also have obliterated the reality of human depravity by the doctrine of the moral equivalence of all 'lifestyles'.

The idea is abroad that there is no moral heritage worth "imposing" on children, respect for whom requires that their selection of "values" be regarded as a mere matter of taste.

This is why so many students never criticize a proposition by saying, "I believe you are mistaken for the following reason." Instead, they give autobiographical reports such as "I'm not comfortable with that." Students regard such reports about their "feelings" as final and no more in need of justification than the assertion...."I don't like Brussels sprouts."

George Will

Well, most of us here are men, at least 99%. Thus, if you want us to explain our every actions, and speak in paragraphs when 3 words will do the same thing, or talk about our feelings, you might want to locate the "Pretty Flowers" website and go hog wild ;)

mchnhed
07-31-2017, 07:09 AM
[QUOTE=mchnhed;5937174][QUOTE=easy-e;5937166]
Well, most of us here are men, at least 99%. Thus, if you want us to explain our every actions, and speak in paragraphs when 3 words will do the same thing, or talk about our feelings, you might want to locate the "Pretty Flowers" website and go hog wild ;)
Are we not Men?
We are DEVO!

overlord
07-31-2017, 07:26 AM
So why did this place "Hollywood Athletic Club" go out of business if it was so doing so well?

One factor was the popularity curve after the Color of Money simply started to run down. The other was the fact that the guy that held it all together Tom Salter developed a drinking problem and lost his mojo. Then he was fired.

That was a really big deal cause this cat put all these desperate elements together. The new management tried to segue into a nightclub and the nightclub business in Hollywood is notorious for running hot and cold. Many new clubs are out of business in 6 months.

The " new " Hollywood Billiards was a great pool hall in its own right and was lucky that the HAC closed. HB had a solid northern Italian restaurant in it and was a great place.

When the owner decided to go into the nightclub business after an extensive remodel he was out of business in a year.

Lease rates in Los Angeles have risen to extent that if you pay market rates today to rent space its almost impossible to make pool pencil.

When the HAC was opened it was in the middle of a big real estate downturn and they got a good value. So the combination of of the downturn in interest in pool and a upturn in lease rates makes new pool halls non existent.

Pool halls are closing in the LA area.

mchnhed
07-31-2017, 07:30 AM
Thank You for an intelligent and informative answer.One factor was the popularity curve after the Color of Money simply started to run down. The other was the fact that the guy that held it all together Tom Salter developed a drinking problem and lost his mojo. Then he was fired.

That was a really big deal cause this cat put all these desperate elements together. The new management tried to segue into a nightclub and the nightclub business in Hollywood is notorious for running hot and cold. Many new clubs are out of business in 6 months.

The " new " Hollywood Billiards was a great pool hall in its own right and was lucky that the HAC closed. HB had a solid northern Italian restaurant in it and was a great place.

When the owner decided to go into the nightclub business after an extensive remodel he was out of business in a year.

Lease rates in Los Angeles have risen to extent that if you pay market rates today to rent space its almost impossible to make pool pencil.

When the HAC was opened it was in the middle of a big real estate downturn and they got a good value. So the combination of of the downturn in interest in pool and a upturn in lease rates makes new pool halls non existent.

Pool halls are closing in the LA area.

overlord
07-31-2017, 07:46 AM
M'Lord,
And the correct answer is they should NOT have been allowed to. It was beyond horrible. The writing was atrocious, the plot was a disaster, and folks that make movies like this usually don't make a second movie unless they are named Ed Wood.

And it certainly does not help the next guy who writes a billiard related screen play ;)

I thought I should really watch it a second time to make sure my opinion of it is valid, but I'm afraid I'll stab myself in the eyes with a fork if I do :)

The best review I could find for this on Rotten Tomatoes was this: If you saw this film, then you were hustled or The cinematic equivalent of a train wreck.

OK, RJ-Ebert, it wasn't frickin Chekov. I went to the premier and it was very evident that it was a low production movie with bad lighting.

I was not that impressed. But a few years ago I watched it again and I think they re-edited and cleaned up the lighting with something like photo shop and it was entertaining.

Its not everyday that a 20 something kid gets actors like Rod Steiger- (who starred in Dr Zhivago), Chris Walken and Chaz Palminteri to star in a movie he co-wrote.

Then he also directs the movie.

ChicagoRJ
07-31-2017, 08:15 AM
OK, RJ-Ebert, it wasn't frickin Chekov. I went to the premier and it was very evident that it was a low production movie with bad lighting.

I was not that impressed. But a few years ago I watched it again and I think they re-edited and cleaned up the lighting with something like photo shop and it was entertaining.

Its not everyday that a 20 something kid gets actors like Rod Steiger- (who starred in Dr Zhivago), Chris Walken and Chaz Palminteri to star in a movie he co-wrote.

Then he also directs the movie.


Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you move merchandise - Morty Seinfield

overlord
07-31-2017, 08:25 AM
The low production and bad lighting had NOTHING to with it being a bad movie. It was only one thing, the writing was horrible, almost like a 1st grader using paste for the first time.

If a blind Chimp was able to talk Lawrence Olivier into one of the worst films ever, I'm sorry, I still would not be impressed ;)

Sorry M'Lord, I calls them like I see's them. You know that by now :)

Lest we judge too harshly.

ChicagoRJ
07-31-2017, 08:38 AM
Lest we judge too harshly.

Ok, Walken was damn good. I'll give it that :)

ctyhntr
07-31-2017, 11:47 AM
I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you in person. So, I have no way of comparing whether the Richard Portnoy matched you in likeness and in mannerism.

He looked a lot like me. So much so that some people congratulated me on my acting job in the movie. :rolleyes:
I met him at the Premiere and he was a very nice guy. Quite a well known character actor in Hollywood (Richard Portnoy).

PoppaSaun
07-31-2017, 12:09 PM
Anyone who likes PHJ hates movies...and thinking.

COM was just borderline watchable, which can be completely attributed to Scorsese understanding his craft (unfortunately he had a lapse of judgment on the script).

Hustler is a very good film.

Stickmen was slightly worse than PHJ. Right about the waste-of-talent that was Turn the River.

easy-e
07-31-2017, 12:11 PM
Anyone who likes PHJ hates movies...and thinking.

COM was just borderline watchable, which can be completely attributed to Scorsese understanding his craft (unfortunately he had a lapse of judgment on the script).

Hustler is a very good film.

Stickmen was slightly worse than PHJ. Right about the waste-of-talent that was Turn the River.

I respect your opinion to not respect others' opinions.

overlord
07-31-2017, 12:52 PM
Anyone who likes PHJ hates movies...and thinking.

COM was just borderline watchable, which can be completely attributed to Scorsese understanding his craft (unfortunately he had a lapse of judgment on the script).

Hustler is a very good film.

Stickmen was slightly worse than PHJ. Right about the waste-of-talent that was Turn the River.

I read the original " The Hustler " by Walter Tevis it was a terse expose of the pool world. It did not contain all the melodrama that they injected into the screenplay regarding the very troubled love interest of the protagonist.

The Hustler, the movie is a classic and I've enjoyed it many times. I never read the novel the COM and don't know how it compares to the movie.

I thought the COM was entertaining and as a sequel did not live up to the standards of the original as is often the case.

PHJs has to be viewed from the point of view that the guy that made it was a fledgling film maker. He had made another movie about gamblers in the San Fernando Valley that wasn't that bad.

PHJs is entertaining and I recognize it was not a candidate at anytime for any Academy Awards.

I heard through the grapevine that Mars is still out there and about to release more entertainment.

easy-e
07-31-2017, 12:55 PM
I read the original " The Hustler " by Walter Tevis it was a terse expose of the pool world. It did not contain all the melodrama that they injected into the screenplay regarding the very troubled love interest of the protagonist.

The Hustler, the movie is a classic and I've enjoyed it many times. I never read the novel the COM and don't know how it compares to the movie.

I thought the COM was entertaining and as a sequel did not live up to the standards of the original as is often the case.

PHJs has to be viewed from the point of view that the guy that made it was a fledgling film maker. He had made another movie about gamblers in the San Fernando Valley that wasn't that bad.

PHJs is entertaining and I recognize it was not a candidate at anytime for any Academy Awards.

I heard through the grapevine that Mars is still out there and about to release more entertainment.

He had a deep run at the WSOP a few years back and I think they mentioned that he was working on "Poker Junkies".

ChicagoRJ
07-31-2017, 01:13 PM
I heard through the grapevine that Mars is still out there and about to release more entertainment.


Someone make it stop !!!!!! lol

garczar
07-31-2017, 03:28 PM
[QUOTE=ChicagoRJ;5937192][QUOTE=mchnhed;5937174]
Are we not Men?
We are DEVO!Funny you referencing Devo. They played here in Tulsa in '82. Me and some friends(no we didn't go ) were in this bar late. Well, in comes a bunch of sorta weird/cool characters. Yep, it was the band and some of their posse. Turns out they were really down-to-earth midwestern types who were just playin the music game. 35yrs ago, WOW.

9andout
07-31-2017, 04:40 PM
No one blasts PHJ on here and gets away with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..
Love the movie. Director's cut too!
I've lent the DVD to many people and they liked it.
Love the soundtrack too.
Own the "Hustler" shirt also.
..
Kind of a cult classic...... in our house anyway! ha
...
You better delete this post before Bobby Cotton sees it!!!:p

RichSchultz
07-31-2017, 05:12 PM
I love Pool Hall Junkies!!! Don't hate on it!!!

easy-e
07-31-2017, 05:16 PM
The people who talk trash about it are comparing it to amazing movies. It is what it is! Just a fun little project with some surprisingly good actors. I enjoy the movie even more when people criticize it.

overlord
07-31-2017, 06:01 PM
Haters gonna hate.

pt109
07-31-2017, 06:35 PM
Haters gonna hate.

They can hate all they want...aint giving up my T-shirt.

466095

WVShootist
07-31-2017, 09:18 PM
I thought it was okay. Movies centered around pool are so rare that I'm glad to see any of them being made, especially with budgets decent enough to get recognizable actors. Sure it was a bit cheesy but overall I've watched it e or 4 times, I'm sure I'll end up watching it at least that more if I'm lucky enough to live to old age.

Dead Money
08-01-2017, 12:46 AM
The people who talk trash about it are comparing it to amazing movies. It is what it is! Just a fun little project with some surprisingly good actors. I enjoy the movie even more when people criticize it.

Hahaha! This is kind of how I feel about it too. Me and my pops watched it this afternoon and he enjoyed the part he didn't sleep thru:smile:

buckets
08-01-2017, 06:22 AM
horrible movie but I shamelessly enjoy it every time

ChicagoRJ
08-01-2017, 08:19 AM
The people who talk trash about it are comparing it to amazing movies. It is what it is! Just a fun little project with some surprisingly good actors. I enjoy the movie even more when people criticize it.

It's possible, but I'm comparing to "average" movies. But PHJ was complete garbage as far as the script was concerned. Great acting can never save a bad script, that's a saying that is as old as Hollywood. I always love movies where they have to continually remind me what is happening (yes, you're a great player we get it) It reminded me a little of Yentl with Barbara Striesand, which had to remind us, over and over, that book learning was not meant for woman. Ok, we get it, don't hit us over the head with a book ;)

Does it bother me in the least that folks like it. Nope. Enjoy :)

Movies are like music, there is no accounting for taste ;)

easy-e
08-01-2017, 08:28 AM
It's possible, but I'm comparing to "average" movies. But PHJ was complete garbage as far as the script was concerned. Great acting can never save a bad script, that's a saying that is as old as Hollywood.

Does it bother me in the least that folks like it. Nope. Enjoy :)

Ok, I'll agree that it is "below average". I'd rather watch PHJ than most average movies though. Maybe because its about pool.

overlord
08-01-2017, 08:29 AM
Mars was a hustler that always played with a house cue. PHJs is kinda like a house cue.

Its not a high budget Hollywood studio picture but it is entertaining.

ChicagoRJ
08-01-2017, 08:39 AM
Ok, I'll agree that it is "below average". I'd rather watch PHJ than most average movies though. Maybe because its about pool.

Fair enough. I really, really, really, really, really wanted to like it to. I still do want to ;)

easy-e
08-01-2017, 08:42 AM
Fair enough. I really, really, really, really, really wanted to like it to. I still do want to ;)

If they'd have shown that chick's tits at the end, so we can all form our own opinion of whether they're real or fake, it would have been much better.

pt109
08-01-2017, 09:51 AM
It's possible, but I'm comparing to "average" movies. But PHJ was complete garbage as far as the script was concerned. Great acting can never save a bad script,that's a saying that is as old as Hollywood. I always love movies where they have to continually remind me what is happening (yes, you're a great player we get it) It reminded me a little of Yentl with Barbara Striesand, which had to remind us, over and over, that book learning was not meant for woman. Ok, we get it, don't hit us over the head with a book ;)

Does it bother me in the least that folks like it. Nope. Enjoy :)

Movies are like music, there is no accounting for taste ;)

Said of Anthony Hopkins....and many others...
"A great actor can read a telephone book and make you weep."

Pool Hall Junkies is worth watching for 'The Lion Speech" alone.

ChicagoRJ
08-01-2017, 10:20 AM
Said of Anthony Hopkins....and many others...
"A great actor can read a telephone book and make you weep."

Pool Hall Junkies is worth watching for 'The Lion Speech" alone.

Nope, just Hollywood believing in their own hype. There is a premium for great writers. They are well paid. The top screen writers make a small fortune, the bad ones not so much.

And we've all seen those badly written movies where they paid top actors to be in it and they just can't save it.... never could, never will.

Otherwise, they would just pay a chimp to type it out and stick De Niro in the movie and call it a day ;) That formula does not work. Oh, they try and make it work on occasion, but at the end of the day, the box office receipts never lie ;)

PT, you're one of the most reasonable guys on ABZ. Would you rather see Meryl Streep in "It's Pat - The Movie" Or Madonna in Gladiator ;) And remember, death is NOT an option :)

9andout
08-01-2017, 12:47 PM
I'm biased.
Like I said I love it.
But I'll admit that Allison Eastwood is HORRIBLE! LOL

pt109
08-01-2017, 01:50 PM
Nope, just Hollywood believing in their own hype. There is a premium for great writers. They are well paid. The top screen writers make a small fortune, the bad ones not so much.

And we've all seen those badly written movies where they paid top actors to be in it and they just can't save it.... never could, never will.

Otherwise, they would just pay a chimp to type it out and stick De Niro in the movie and call it a day ;) That formula does not work. Oh, they try and make it work on occasion, but at the end of the day, the box office receipts never lie ;)

PT, you're one of the most reasonable guys on ABZ. Would you rather see Meryl Streep in "It's Pat - The Movie" Or Madonna in Gladiator ;) And remember, death is NOT an option :)

RJ, how can you mention Streep and Madonna in the same sentence? :eek:

ChicagoRJ
08-01-2017, 02:03 PM
RJ, how can you mention Streep and Madonna in the same sentence? :eek:

It was not easy. But you see where I was going. Streep could NOT save a bad movie, but Madonna would not have derailed Gladiator.


Am I not being MERCIFUL !!!! lol

PoppaSaun
08-01-2017, 03:03 PM
It was not easy. But you see where I was going. Streep could NOT save a bad movie, but Madonna would not have derailed Gladiator.


Am I not being MERCIFUL !!!! lol

Counterpoint: Sofia Coppola in The Godfather Part III

Big Perm
08-01-2017, 08:02 PM
two words......Body Karate.....or something along those lines :D

Gawd it was bad, but in a good way.....sort of.

Cornerman
08-01-2017, 08:07 PM
After spending two weeks with PHJ's technical advisor and after reading this string, I'm going to watch the movie about twelve times this weekend just to remember all the details.

Freddie <~~~ the movie that started it all (says my team capt.)

Big Perm
08-12-2017, 07:37 PM
this thread is credited for watching it tonight - wife walked in, wanted to know what kind of crap I was watching......Walken showed up on the screen so she watched for a bit :D

jasonlaus
08-12-2017, 07:50 PM
Said of Anthony Hopkins....and many others...
"A great actor can read a telephone book and make you weep."

Pool Hall Junkies is worth watching for 'The Lion Speech" alone.

I thought the end of the lion speech was the worst part of the movie - don't just beat him, kick his ass - wtf??? Lol
Jason

smoooothstroke
08-12-2017, 08:07 PM
Most of the pool movies are not good but I will still watch them over and over.

Has anyone noticed that all American cinema is atrocious now BTW? HollyWierd and the boob tube really is a complete waste.

pt109
08-12-2017, 08:29 PM
I thought the end of the lion speech was the worst part of the movie - don't just beat him, kick his ass - wtf??? Lol
Jason

I'm just a hopeless Walken fan...I think he enhances even his bad movies....
...they would really suck without him.

But I'm also a golfer....I would like to see a couple pool movies that I would enjoy as much
as I did Bagger Vance and Tin Cup.

DJSTEVEZ
08-12-2017, 09:49 PM
I thought the end of the lion speech was the worst part of the movie - don't just beat him, kick his ass - wtf??? Lol
Jason

Side issue: has anyone been in any Pool room that has a bathroom like the one in the Pool hall ("Hard Times" in the film, "EO's" in reality) where that "Lion Speech" took place?
My suspension of disbelief just couldn't rubber stamp that one.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTq-h3tOUym3dieof38277GHEaoJUm13u37lH76FLhyLXOndzvgGg

jasonlaus
08-12-2017, 10:24 PM
I'm just a hopeless Walken fan...I think he enhances even his bad movies....
...they would really suck without him.

But I'm also a golfer....I would like to see a couple pool movies that I would enjoy as much
as I did Bagger Vance and Tin Cup.

The rest of it was good, just that last part.

mvp
08-13-2017, 07:33 AM
The balcony scene talking about just working hard enough not to get fired was better than the lion speech.

hang-the-9
08-14-2017, 06:19 AM
A few weeks ago I spent a bit of time talking to Bobby Cotton who was the tech adviser for PHJ. He said the movie that ended up being made was not at all like how it started out, it went through 3-4 different revisions and ended up being a lot less of a hardcore gambling pool movie it started out as. Outside of that, the fact the movie got done, with a small budget and the two top stars in it taking almost no money for their work says something about the people making the movie.

I can't say I like the movie that much, some things were just goofy (Ricky playing with an all black Cuetec LOL), after getting some insider info about the movie I have a better appreciation for it.

DJSTEVEZ
08-14-2017, 08:03 AM
A few weeks ago I spent a bit of time talking to Bobby Cotton who was the tech adviser for PHJ. He said the movie that ended up being made was not at all like how it started out, it went through 3-4 different revisions and ended up being a lot less of a hardcore gambling pool movie it started out as. Outside of that, the fact the movie got done, with a small budget and the two top stars in it taking almost no money for their work says something about the people making the movie.

I can't say I like the movie that much, some things were just goofy (Ricky playing with an all black Cuetec LOL), after getting some insider info about the movie I have a better appreciation for it.

The line between an ACCU-stats video and a theatrical movie featuring pool, with some hope of commercial appeal, is much wider than non-film industry people realize. For me, I wad always wished that "Rounders" had featured Pool and not Poker (of course with the necessary adjustments). No chance of that happening as Brian Koppleman (part of the Rounders writing team) is now obsessed with ping pong. -Z-

pt109
08-14-2017, 08:38 AM
The line between an ACCU-stats video and a theatrical movie featuring pool, with some hope of commercial appeal, is much wider than non-film industry people realize. For me, I wad always wished that "Rounders" had featured Pool and not Poker (of course with the necessary adjustments). No chance of that happening as Brian Koppleman (part of the Rounders writing team) is now obsessed with ping pong. -Z-

Yeah....Rounders was more satisfying to a poker player than any pool movie has been to
a pool player.....it was a good movie...but you learned a little about poker also.

Or like the Cincinnati Kid....where people argued about that last hand....
....Gets down to what it's all about, doesn't it? Making the wrong move at the right time.

Maybe we need a one-pocket movie where the finale is getting out of a trap that makes
pool history....and the protagonist uses the money to save the world.

9andout
08-14-2017, 04:28 PM
The balcony scene talking about just working hard enough not to get fired was better than the lion speech.
"Not enough sand" lol