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mchnhed
08-06-2017, 12:06 PM
John/Jane Q. Public gets the urge learn Pool.

Imagine a True Pool Hall.
Maybe you frequent one.
In walks a person who only plays at a Level 1 or "D".
Noob, but knows and respects Pool Room Etiquette and the Basic Rules.
Learned at the Boys Club.
He practices shooting just straight shots at a table way far off from everyone else.

Do YOU welcome him and offer to play a game?
or
Do you scoff at his awkwardness, scarecrow stance and swooping stroke?

How does he approach "Those Real Players" over there and ask for a game & suggestions to help him improve?

Does he just continue to practice by himself 2 times a week for months?

On a positive note: He is getting better with his stroke and follow-thru.


Quote: Originally Posted by garczar
A healthy dose of playing people you can't currently beat is highly recommended as well. All the drills in the world(hi or lo tech) will not prepare you for what you'll need when someone is smoking you. I wish you well in your pursuit.

mvp
08-06-2017, 12:26 PM
All honesty you don't even pay attention to him/her, they will progress up the skill chain naturally by beating players their own ability ether thru leagues or tourneys. Slowly moving up to better players over time. I'm still waiting for my time at the big boys table!

Exceptions being if the new player is someone that people want to hang out with!

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 12:37 PM
All honesty you don't even pay attention to him/her, they will progress up the skill chain naturally by beating players their own ability ether thru leagues or tourneys. Slowly moving up to better players over time. I'm still waiting for my time at the big boys table!
But he's been coming there for almost a year!

Exceptions being if the new player is someone that people want to hang out with!
He seems like a likeable guy.
Older, maybe early 60's.
Kinda serious about practice.
The waitresses like him.

mvp
08-06-2017, 12:56 PM
offer a cheap race to 5 for 5$, give the regular room guys an out if they don't like it! So don't ask for a long session or table time unless it works out! It's nothing more than children playing on playground equipment, you gotta get noticed, then bullied, then come back and whoop ass!

Linwood
08-06-2017, 01:16 PM
offer a cheap race to 5 for 5$, give the regular room guys an out if they don't like it! So don't ask for a long session or table time unless it works out! It's nothing more than children playing on playground equipment, you gotta get noticed, then bullied, then come back and whoop ass!

Sounds like junior high gym class, and maybe answers the questions asked elsewhere whether Pool was a sport, or why it is not flourishing, if that's the pervasive attitude. I hope that's an outlier.

My one experience is watching a pickup tournament at a local bar, and from just watching the local people invited me to participate and were very welcoming. I didn't -- to much a beginner -- but felt very good about the visit (Busters in Fort Myers, by the way). So I hope my experience is more typical.

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 01:30 PM
offer a cheap race to 5 for 5$, give the regular room guys an out if they don't like it! So don't ask for a long session or table time unless it works out! It's nothing more than children playing on playground equipment, you gotta get noticed, then bullied, then come back and whoop ass!
I don't think he knows what a 'race' is.
Plus a Level 1 against level 6+ players the Pool Room is known for?
I don't think he wants to be humiliated.
He just wants to learn some secrets of shooting straight, stance, stroke, etc.
Maybe become one of the regulars.

But to 'leave him be' doesn't sound very friendly.

mvp
08-06-2017, 01:43 PM
Not everyone gets a trophy!

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 02:42 PM
Not everyone gets a trophy!
What has not getting a trophy have to with a beginner in a Pool Room?

bral
08-06-2017, 03:09 PM
[B]John/Jane Q. Public gets the urge learn Pool.
He practices shooting just straight shots at a table way far off from everyone else.

Putting forth an image of wanting to have focused practice and not be disturbed. (Often hard to achieve in a pool room, but that doesn't stop me from trying...)

Obviously playing closer to other players will provide more opportunities for shop talk.

If "he" wants to break the ice with other players, perhaps he should introduce himself to them when they aren't in a match, maybe ask them when they started playing, how often they practice, the usual stuff. I find it most convenient to talk to players right as they arrive or are packing up to leave, unless they're clearly looking for conversation and/or a match.

Ched
08-06-2017, 03:49 PM
At my age and ability - I tend to keep to myself. But ... If I were 25 years younger, and a decent shot (and had a more outgoing personality) - I'd walk over and introduce myself, then ask if he wanted to shoot a couple racks. If he asked for tips - I'd do the best I could to help.

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 04:10 PM
Putting forth an image of wanting to have focused practice and not be disturbed. (Often hard to achieve in a pool room, but that doesn't stop me from trying...)

Obviously playing closer to other players will provide more opportunities for shop talk.

If "he" wants to break the ice with other players, perhaps he should introduce himself to them when they aren't in a match, maybe ask them when they started playing, how often they practice, the usual stuff. I find it most convenient to talk to players right as they arrive or are packing up to leave, unless they're clearly looking for conversation and/or a match.
Why does it have to be "he" that wants or needs to......
Maybe since he is the new person, he feels intimidated by "those real pool players".
Maybe since he's the new one, someone who is a regular (you) should be the one to approach him.

Ched
08-06-2017, 04:28 PM
Why does it have to be "he" that wants or needs to......
Maybe since he is the new person, he feels intimidated by "those real pool players".
Maybe since he's the new one, someone who is a regular (you) should be the one to approach him.

Yea - being a bit on the reserved side myself, I have to agree. Some folks are very outgoing, but walking into a new (for him or her) establishment, especially where they're going to be on the lower rungs of ability level, it can be very intimidating to approach one of the regulars.

jasonlaus
08-06-2017, 04:30 PM
I don't think he knows what a 'race' is.
Plus a Level 1 against level 6+ players the Pool Room is known for?
I don't think he wants to humiliated.
He just wants to learn some secrets of shooting straight, stance, stroke, etc.
Maybe become one of the regulars.

But to 'leave him be' doesn't sound very friendly.

Thats what youtube is for

mvp
08-06-2017, 04:34 PM
Why does it have to be "he" that wants or needs to......
Maybe since he is the new person, he feels intimidated by "those real pool players".
Maybe since he's the new one, someone who is a regular (you) should be the one to approach him.

Maybe this person should get past their insecurities and play play the game, why should this person feel so entitled that others should approach him/her just because they been shooting balls by themselves? If you ever find the answers you're looking for......you might just have revolutionized how people approach dating!

Johnny Rosato
08-06-2017, 04:37 PM
At my age and ability - I tend to keep to myself. But ... If I were 25 years younger, and a decent shot (and had a more outgoing personality) - I'd walk over and introduce myself, then ask if he wanted to shoot a couple racks. If he asked for tips - I'd do the best I could to help.
^^^ What he said. I'd help any way I could and I certainly wouldn't scoff or make fun in any fashion!

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 04:48 PM
Maybe this person should get past their insecurities and play play the game, why should this person feel so entitled that others should approach him/her just because they been shooting balls by themselves? If you ever find the answers you're looking for......you might just have revolutionized how people approach dating!
***Maybe the Regulars in the Pool Room should get past their feelings of superiority to beginners and approach the new person in the room.

The Noob doen't feel entitled he feels intimidated.

If we can ever find the answers to these questions Pool might have a chance to grow and survive.

us820
08-06-2017, 05:08 PM
When I started it seemed like I wasn't in the super secret cool kids club and nobody wanted to play unless it was gambling.Offered to play for play and I get the time....Nope.I thought most of the guys were dicks that thought they were way better than they were.They would sit around not playing haggling over some stupid big time set played for money that I would wipe my butt with.The really good players were nice mostly but I could see how bored they were playing a guy my level.I found tourney play was where everybody had to play with you so I progressed that way.I still hate the little rat "big time gambler"5-6s and gravitate to the 20% quality people worth actually hanging with.Communities of hobbies like this are so small.I never understood how so many guys would rather rape you out of $20 once the first day they meet you over having another friend in the hall for the next 30 years.I still can recall the people that first helped me ,showed me stuff after beating me in a match,and played for nothing with a bad player.

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 05:15 PM
Thank you for that insight us820.
It seems that people and Pool Rooms are the same all over.

gogg
08-06-2017, 05:50 PM
As a middle aged guy who fit the description pretty close, it was my experience that if you are really trying, the regular players notice. If you keep coming around enough, the nicer guys will speak and nod when they see you, then comment "nice shot" (if there is one).
After a while folks grow comfortable with the newer face and invite to play.
(Course, they are MUCH better, but still offering the chance.

Pushy people are not very welcomed in my experience.
Of course if he has been coming for a year and none of this has happened, the person in question may be projecting a "leave me be" kind of vibe.
Social interaction is pretty much the same everywhere in life, you be friendly (but not over the top) and patient, most times folks will open up some.

Of course, your mileage may vary

us820
08-06-2017, 05:51 PM
If I was starting now I would start in the Apa.It is geared for new players.The better guys on your team will want to help you get better if you listen to what they tell you.I would play all the cheap bar tourneys you can find to play better players.I would just drill by myself on whatever free pool nights you can find.After a little bit you will find the subset of nongamblers around and find a regular practice partner.

If you hit all the weekly stuff you get to know most of the local players pretty quick because it's all the same guys.

bral
08-06-2017, 07:11 PM
Why does it have to be "he" that wants or needs to......
Maybe since he is the new person, he feels intimidated by "those real pool players".
Maybe since he's the new one, someone who is a regular (you) should be the one to approach him.

I was responding to your question, "How does he approach "Those Real Players" over there and ask for a game & suggestions to help him improve?"

And on a personal level, I do recall sending you a an "If you'd like to meet and spar some, just send me a PM" PM, since you're a SoCal player. In case "he" == you. LOL

mchnhed
08-06-2017, 07:20 PM
I was responding to your question, "How does he approach "Those Real Players" over there and ask for a game & suggestions to help him improve?"
Sorry bral to judge & jump so quickly.
You are correct that the new person can take a chance and approach the regulars.
But I still feel that Real Pool Players should be more supportive towards beginners.

Low500
08-07-2017, 03:35 AM
Sorry bral to judge & jump so quickly.
You are correct that the new person can take a chance and approach the regulars.
But I still feel that Real Pool Players should be more supportive towards beginners.
All the new guy has to do is offer to pay money for lessons to the one he thinks is the best in the pool room. Pool players respond quickly to offers of ca$h.
When I was 16, my dad paid a state champion to give me lessons on Saturday mornings and I was taught every trap, hustle, and scheme, pool players ever dreamed up.
In addition to learning a straight consistent stroke and how to play most position using high, low, and center hits on the cueball without any spin.
That was a very good start.
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

Black-Balled
08-07-2017, 06:14 AM
Maybe you should stop telling everyone how they should be?

Let the friggin guy hit some damn balls. He knew what he was comin thru the door for...ad is wasnt to be hased by a poolchump.

***Maybe the Regulars in the Pool Room should get past their feelings of superiority to beginners and approach the new person in the room.

The Noob doen't feel entitled he feels intimidated.

If we can ever find the answers to these questions Pool might have a chance to grow and survive.

Black-Balled
08-07-2017, 06:16 AM
I believe this is possibly another poolchump alias...

All the new guy has to do is offer to pay money for lessons to the one he thinks is the best in the pool room. Pool players respond quickly to offers of ca$h.
When I was 16, my dad paid a state champion to give me lessons on Saturday mornings and I was taught every trap, hustle, and scheme, pool players ever dreamed up.
In addition to learning a straight consistent stroke and how to play most position using high, low, and center hits on the cueball without any spin.
That was a very good start.
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

jojopiff
08-07-2017, 07:14 AM
***Maybe the Regulars in the Pool Room should get past their feelings of superiority to beginners and approach the new person in the room.

The Noob doen't feel entitled he feels intimidated.

If we can ever find the answers to these questions Pool might have a chance to grow and survive.

I would certainly be known as a regular. However, I go in 1-2 times a week and if I'm there it's because I'm playing league, matching up, or working on something I need practice on. So, no I wouldn't ask them to play because in all likelihood I wouldn't even notice them because I'm working on my own shit.

The idea that everyone is paying attention to this noob (or average player or pro) and sees what he/she is doing is awfully arrogant.

If you want to play then ask someone to play.

buckets
08-07-2017, 07:28 AM
When I was "that guy", plenty of people came out of the woodwork to show me the ropes.

Very thankful for that.

mchnhed
08-07-2017, 07:58 AM
When I was "that guy", plenty of people came out of the woodwork to show me the ropes.
Very thankful for that.
You are very lucky that you had nice people "show you the ropes".

Black-Balled
08-07-2017, 08:06 AM
You are very lucky that you had nice people "show you the ropes".

Hmmmm...maybe it is you that illicits the responses?

Naw, couldnt possibly be so, after the untold usernames all gtting same reaction as your

strmanglr scott
08-07-2017, 08:20 AM
I sorta was that guy 10 years ago. Only not that old and not a total noob.

I was in the hall 3-4 times a week when I didn't have a month long pass, when I did have the pass I was in there almost every day.

I played by myself alternating between drills and 8 ball. A few ppl came up and offered to play, I politely refused. Had a few ppl come up and warn me about hustling techniques.

I went there to practice, period. My game progressed well.

BC21
08-07-2017, 11:56 AM
But he's been coming there for almost a year!


He seems like a likeable guy.
Older, maybe early 60's.
Kinda serious about practice.
The waitresses like him.

Based on your description of the guy, I'd offer to hit some with him, get to know him. No money or hint of gambling involved. I'd only do this if the place wasn't crowded. I mean, the last thing you'd want is your regular customers crying for freebie/fun matches after seeing this. Last weekend I played some one hole with a guy I hadnt seen in a few years. He's a very good player, used to have to spot me 9-6 back then. I'll call him P. Anyhow, before we could play he said he had to finish this 9ball race to 10. The kid he was playing was probably a low C player at best. They were on a 9ft Diamond, score was 6-6. I asked what sort of spot the kid was getting and P didn't answer.

The kid had to be getting at least the last 5 in order to have any chance. At first I thought it was a waste of time, Pete playing this kid for nothing (based on their comments and composure). But as I watched, I decided it was pretty cool of him to be giving this kid a game. P would explain certain shots to the kid, why he did this or that, etc... The kid was asking a lot of questions. P got him 10-6 and the kid drops a ten dollar bill on the table and thanks P for the his time. $10! Lol. Very cheap lesson he'd have never given to me 15 years ago! I thought it was cool. That kid got a sample taste of what an A player can do on the table, minus some obvious go-for-it shots that P would try for the hell of it.

So yeah.. ..I'd offer to play the noobie, and afterwords I'd point him to the players more suited for his game.

noMoreSchon
08-07-2017, 12:18 PM
Hell, I don't even like going to a new spot and I play a little bit. You never know who

you are going to meet. One of my favorite things is to see who is clocking me when I am

just banging away in a new town on vacation. I am sure people new to the room are just

as awkward asking for help, as they are suspicious of help being offered. So it is a hard

situation to overcome. I play regularly with one 'kid', and it is a up hill battle for him to

understand some things, being he 'know's' more than I, being he learned on Utube...

not 30 years shooting pool...

mchnhed
08-07-2017, 12:28 PM
Very nice of you BC2.
Great story.
I would love to have that happen to me, I mean the OP.

NoMoreSchon,
Yeah it's hard for people to be social to each other in a new environment.
I think that's was the OP's intent......
To make Regulars in a Pool Room welcome and support new players.
At the minimum the Room Owner/Manager should be pressing the flesh!

WildWing
08-08-2017, 02:41 PM
[B]

He practices shooting just straight shots at a table way far off from everyone else.

Do YOU welcome him and offer to play a game?


The answer is, you leave him alone. He is not your concern, nor is he any of your business.

The fact that he is practicing far away should tell you he doesn't want your attention.

A lot of people like to practice alone. You don't have any obligation or priviledge to interfere. If he wants a game, he'll ask. Leave it at that.

All the best,
WW

Sweatin'
08-08-2017, 02:56 PM
The answer is, you leave him alone. He is not your concern, nor is he any of your business.

The fact that he is practicing far away should tell you he doesn't want your attention.

A lot of people like to practice alone. You don't have any obligation or priviledge to interfere. If he wants a game, he'll ask. Leave it at that.

All the best,
WW

Thank you for injecting obvious common sense into a thread whose very premise seemed to be based on the lack thereof.

Low500
08-08-2017, 03:14 PM
The answer is, you leave him alone. He is not your concern, nor is he any of your business.
The fact that he is practicing far away should tell you he doesn't want your attention.
A lot of people like to practice alone. You don't have any obligation or priviledge to interfere. If he wants a game, he'll ask. Leave it at that.
All the best,
WW
You are absolutely 100% correct.
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 04:19 PM
Gosh guys.
You're reading that person all wrong.

He wants to be a "regular" at YOUR Pool Room.
He wants to learn from YOU, the better players.
He is off by himself because he is embarrassed by his skills.
He is afraid of getting ridiculed in the Pool Room the same way he is ridiculed on AzB.

No wonder Pool has an image problem with John/Jane Q. Public.

You are absolutely 100% correct.
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

Thank you for injecting obvious common sense into a thread whose very premise seemed to be based on the lack thereof.

The answer is, you leave him alone. He is not your concern, nor is he any of your business.
The fact that he is practicing far away should tell you he doesn't want your attention.
A lot of people like to practice alone. You don't have any obligation or priviledge to interfere. If he wants a game, he'll ask. Leave it at that.
All the best,
WW
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[QUOTE=mchnhed;5941922]John/Jane Q. Public gets the urge learn Pool.

Imagine a True Pool Hall.
Maybe you frequent one.
In walks a person who only plays at a Level 1 or "D".
Noob, but knows and respects Pool Room Etiquette and the Basic Rules.
Learned at the Boys Club.
He practices shooting just straight shots at a table way far off from everyone else.

Do YOU welcome him and offer to play a game?
or
Do you scoff at his awkwardness, scarecrow stance and swooping stroke?

How does he approach "Those Real Players" over there and ask for a game & suggestions to help him improve?

Does he just continue to practice by himself 2 times a week for months?

On a positive note: He is getting better with his stroke and follow-thru.

mvp
08-08-2017, 04:59 PM
Gosh guys.
You're reading that person all wrong.

He wants to be a "regular" at YOUR Pool Room.
He wants to learn from YOU, the better players.
He is off by himself because he is embarrassed by his skills.
He is afraid of getting ridiculed in the Pool Room the same way he is ridiculed on AzB.

No wonder Pool has an image problem with John/Jane Q. Public.



If you been going there for months, you ARE a regular!

Learn by not whining and start paying attention,

Embarrassed? Know one cares about someone else's ability

Scared of ridiculed? afraid of someone talking crap, wanting to bet? Blow it off! We all look stupid or act stupid to somebody!

Just because one practices or wants to learn doesn't mean a thing! I know ppl who can't make 3balls in a row and they're pool room favorites because of how much fun they are to be around!



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[QUOTE=mchnhed;5941922]John/Jane Q. Public gets the urge learn Pool.

Imagine a True Pool Hall.
Maybe you frequent one.
In walks a person who only plays at a Level 1 or "D".
Noob, but knows and respects Pool Room Etiquette and the Basic Rules.
Learned at the Boys Club.
He practices shooting just straight shots at a table way far off from everyone else.

Do YOU welcome him and offer to play a game?
or
Do you scoff at his awkwardness, scarecrow stance and swooping stroke?

How does he approach "Those Real Players" over there and ask for a game & suggestions to help him improve?

Does he just continue to practice by himself 2 times a week for months?

On a positive note: He is getting better with his stroke and follow-thru.

philly
08-08-2017, 05:01 PM
[QUOTE=mchnhed;5943568]Gosh guys.
You're reading that person all wrong.

He wants to be a "regular" at YOUR Pool Room.
He wants to learn from YOU, the better players.
He is off by himself because he is embarrassed by his skills.
He is afraid of getting ridiculed in the Pool Room the same way he is ridiculed on AzB.

No wonder Pool has an image problem with John/Jane Q. Public.


If he is shy, that's his problem. However if I see someone that is turning into somewhat a regular I will make eye contact and nod to them. If they nod back I might say something.
My home poolroom has an unusual set up. The houseman's desk, the hub of the poolroom, is in an elevated area with seating that looks down on 5 of the 18 tables.
The owner encourages spectators. The better players tend to congregate around these 5 tables .Usually a newbee will eventually make their way to that seating area and watch.

Black-Balled
08-08-2017, 06:54 PM
you spent a lot of time on the playground wishing you were doing something else.

Gosh guys.
You're reading that person all wrong.

He wants to be a "regular" at YOUR Pool Room.
He wants to learn from YOU, the better players.
He is off by himself because he is embarrassed by his skills.
He is afraid of getting ridiculed in the Pool Room the same way he is ridiculed on AzB.

No wonder Pool has an image problem with John/Jane Q. Public.






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[QUOTE=mchnhed;5941922]John/Jane Q. Public gets the urge learn Pool.

Imagine a True Pool Hall.
Maybe you frequent one.
In walks a person who only plays at a Level 1 or "D".
Noob, but knows and respects Pool Room Etiquette and the Basic Rules.
Learned at the Boys Club.
He practices shooting just straight shots at a table way far off from everyone else.

Do YOU welcome him and offer to play a game?
or
Do you scoff at his awkwardness, scarecrow stance and swooping stroke?

How does he approach "Those Real Players" over there and ask for a game & suggestions to help him improve?

Does he just continue to practice by himself 2 times a week for months?

On a positive note: He is getting better with his stroke and follow-thru.

TX Poolnut
08-08-2017, 07:09 PM
I pretty much mind my own business. If he asks to play, no problem. A new friend is made. But I don't go looking for a game.

Z-Nole
08-08-2017, 07:19 PM
This takes the win for dumbest hypothetical scenario!

Black-Balled
08-08-2017, 07:35 PM
This takes the win for dumbest hypothetical scenario!

Poolchimp strikes again...people provide the discussion he requests, he gets told it is his approach that is wrong and then he tells why we are the problem and wrong.

Dude has pscchological issues. Seriously

We should probably cook him. At least put a bell on him.

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 07:38 PM
This takes the win for dumbest hypothetical scenario!
and your's is what???

I think the new guy just walk out of your pool room and is not coming back.
Plus..... he's telling everyone not to go there because they don't like outsiders.

That Dumbest Scenario is based on true experiences.

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 07:51 PM
:angry:Poolchimp strikes again...people provide the discussion he requests, he gets told it is his approach that is wrong and then he tells why we are the problem and wrong.

Dude has pscchological issues. Seriously

We should probably cook him.
Cannibalism? What some chianti with that?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_cannibalism

At least put a bell on him.
Meow!


you spent a lot of time on the playground wishing you were doing something else.
Actually I was the bully!

Z-Nole
08-08-2017, 08:01 PM
and your's is what???

I think the new guy just walk out of your pool room and is not coming back.
Plus..... he's telling everyone not to go there because they don't like outsiders.

That Dumbest Scenario is based on true experiences.

Relax dude. There isn't a prize.

Z-Nole
08-08-2017, 08:03 PM
And too bad no one talks to you when you go in a pool room. Try to be cool next time.

Black-Balled
08-08-2017, 08:07 PM
And too bad no one talks to you when you go in a pool room. Try to be cool next time.

And that is the most fkucked up thing! EVERYBODY can be one of the gang in a poolroom.

Except him. Wtf?!

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 08:07 PM
And too bad no one talks to you when you go in a pool room. Try to be cool next time.
Square Peg.
Freak
Geek.
Nerd.
But Not Ever Kool.

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 08:12 PM
And that is the most fkucked up thing! EVERYBODY can be one of the gang in a poolroom.

Except him. Wtf?!
You aren't as bad as Brags says you are B-B!
Thank you for recognizing that everyone should fit in.
Except for Justin of course!

Just kiddin' Justin

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 08:36 PM
you spent a lot of time on the playground wishing you were somewhere else.
Actually I was the bully!


No!
He wasn't the Bully!
He was the Fat Kid who always got beat up!

That's mean of you Brags!

Sweatin'
08-08-2017, 08:37 PM
It seems to me to be a waste of bandwidth to dream up a cartoon scenario that exists only in one's imagination and then change the cartoon whenever someone gives an answer you don't like.

Assuming this really was a serious question and not just what appears to be postarrhea, a little common sense would have answered the question before it was asked.

And anyone who thinks pool's supposedly unsavory image exists because it's unfriendly to newbies obviously knows very little about the history of the sport.

mchnhed
08-08-2017, 08:46 PM
Anyone who thinks pool's supposedly unsavory image exists because it's unfriendly to newbies obviously knows very little about the history of the sport.
Before Gansters invaded Pool Rooms during Prohibition, Pocket Billiards was a Gentleman's Pastime.

The appeal to the gangster of managing gambling operations, which were often disguised as pool halls, is partly due to the illegality of gambling at the time, and also because the demand for such opportunities was present in the city of Chicago. This demand was further amplified by the hardships of the Depression because of the hopes these poor, distraught Chicagoans had of being released from their troubles by beating the odds and winning a big bet.

Prohibition did have a solidifying influence, allowing organized crime to grow to the almost epic proportions which have been mythologized in American history, as, for example, is the case with figures like Al Capone and Eliot Ness. Such narratives are part not only of our national history, but of the unique history of the city of Chicago, one of the cities, if not the single city, most mired in a history of organized crime and gangster warfare.

Taken from: http://www.umich.edu/~eng217/student_projects/nkazmers/index1.html

Ched
08-09-2017, 12:43 AM
You aren't as bad as Brags says you are B-B!
Thank you for recognizing that everyone should fit in.
Except for Justin of course!

Just kiddin' Justin

could we maybe stop the Justin bashing?

jasonlaus
08-09-2017, 01:19 AM
Before Gansters invaded Pool Rooms during Prohibition, Pocket Billiards was a Gentleman's Pastime.

The appeal to the gangster of managing gambling operations, which were often disguised as pool halls, is partly due to the illegality of gambling at the time, and also because the demand for such opportunities was present in the city of Chicago. This demand was further amplified by the hardships of the Depression because of the hopes these poor, distraught Chicagoans had of being released from their troubles by beating the odds and winning a big bet.

Prohibition did have a solidifying influence, allowing organized crime to grow to the almost epic proportions which have been mythologized in American history, as, for example, is the case with figures like Al Capone and Eliot Ness. Such narratives are part not only of our national history, but of the unique history of the city of Chicago, one of the cities, if not the single city, most mired in a history of organized crime and gangster warfare.

Taken from: http://www.umich.edu/~eng217/student_projects/nkazmers/index1.html

Thank god the gangs were only in Chicago:rolleyes:
Jason

Sweatin'
08-09-2017, 03:30 AM
could we maybe stop the Justin bashing?

Agreed! At least Justin is honest and straightforward in his posts.

And isn't bashing Justin even worse than what mchnhed postulates is happening to his own mythical character in his OP? Certainly doesn't seem to make Justin feel befriended and welcomed.

mchnhed
08-09-2017, 06:59 AM
Agreed! At least Justin is honest and straightforward in his posts.
And isn't bashing Justin even worse than what mchnhed postulates is happening to his own mythical character in his OP? Certainly doesn't seem to make Justin feel befriended and welcomed.
I apologized for ribbing him.

My teasing Justin proved my point.