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mattb
08-12-2017, 05:43 PM
I have been reviewing my copies of WOP along with SM&S the last few weeks and it got me thinking about a rewrite of these great books. While a lot of the material is very relevant and above the average players head and ability, I can't help but wonder what a newer version of these books would look like?

I am saying using the same layout but using some players of the current and upcoming generation. Maybe input by Efren, Orcollo, Alex, Scott Frost or Tony Cohan.

Do you think there would be enough changes to warrant a rewrite? Or am I just asking for too much?

I would buy the book as I definitely prefer it over a video. I think there are a lot of people that would feel the same way.

GoldCrown
08-12-2017, 05:51 PM
Have you read Tom Wirth's "One Pocket..A Game of Controlled Aggression". It has been said it is the one of the best 1P books ever produced. And it will be a collectable in time. Is Tom's book a rewrite of WOP/SMS or more. It covers a lot of scenarios. Most readers think it's more. I'd like to hear from owners of WOP/SMS how the 2 books compare to Wirth's book. What does one have the other does not. I have not seen WOP/SMS but what I like about Tom's book is his Offensive demeanor. For those that cannot afford WOP get Tom's book for about $60. It's worth more.

bbb
08-12-2017, 06:15 PM
Should Winning One Pocket Be Rewritten
my answer
ABSOLUTELY NO

pt109
08-12-2017, 06:32 PM
Hmm....the OP's title made me think.....
...but then I thought of Ben Hogan....what Ben said about golf years ago is still relevant...
...a great foundation....but the game and equipment has changed. So what he taught
could be ADDED to.

So if you read Robbins and then Wirth....you'll be doing yourself a big favor.

I have a copy of Wirth I haven't opened yet....this thread has given me the urge to read it.

Thanx to Matt for starting this thread...and thanx to Walter who graciously sent me the book.

Nick B
08-12-2017, 06:44 PM
Have you read Tom Wirth's "One Pocket..A Game of Controlled Aggression". It has been said it is the one of the best 1P books ever produced. And it will be a collectable in time. Is Tom's book a rewrite of WOP/SMS or more. It covers a lot of scenarios. Most readers think it's more. I'd like to hear from owners of WOP/SMS how the 2 books compare to Wirth's book. What does one have the other does not. I have not seen WOP/SMS but what I like about Tom's book is his Offensive demeanor. For those that cannot afford WOP get Tom's book for about $60. It's worth more.
I second that. Tom's book is outstanding (I have both).

Danimal
08-12-2017, 07:50 PM
A lot of the material in WOP and SM&S is similar to the WWYD's you can find at onepocket.org.

However, the responses in the above books are culled from past champions, and on op.org you get a sprinkling of great one pocket minds, along with a lot of Joe Onepocket and 1P cowboy shots.

ER's books also contain a lot of other information and systems within them, as well as being beautifully produced tomes in their own right.

I concur with the others that Tom Wirth's book is the modern classic, and you can build a solid game by studying and practicing the concepts therein.

greyghost
08-13-2017, 05:51 AM
Have you read Tom Wirth's "One Pocket..A Game of Controlled Aggression". It has been said it is the one of the best 1P books ever produced. And it will be a collectable in time. Is Tom's book a rewrite of WOP/SMS or more. It covers a lot of scenarios. Most readers think it's more. I'd like to hear from owners of WOP/SMS how the 2 books compare to Wirth's book. What does one have the other does not. I have not seen WOP/SMS but what I like about Tom's book is his Offensive demeanor. For those that cannot afford WOP get Tom's book for about $60. It's worth more.



They can't be compared because they are totally different imop.

Both are fantastic by any standard


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Black-Balled
08-13-2017, 06:05 AM
The whole world will go broke emulating chony tohan.

greyghost
08-13-2017, 06:42 AM
The whole world will go broke emulating chony tohan.



And we will be waiting in the bushes to make it so


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GoldCrown
08-13-2017, 07:44 AM
They can't be compared because they are totally different imop.

Both are fantastic by any standard


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Here's the unfair question to everyone...if you had to choose 1 book.

greyghost
08-13-2017, 07:46 AM
Here's the unfair question to everyone...if you had to choose 1 book.



You hush you


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greyghost
08-13-2017, 07:49 AM
You hush you


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One is a workout book the other is a story and shot repertoire book. If forced by gun point I'm going with WOP.

For a beginner I'd probably picks Roma book, not that toms book is for beginners by any means.

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336Robin
08-13-2017, 07:50 AM
Its heavy content all. I'd love to see all of them in Print on Demand format which doesnt require the author to have tons of copies printed.

Gatekeeper Press

Rob Price

They would set this up and make it possible. The books would be printed in paperback copies and when you order it, they print and send it to you. Its like magic!

greyghost
08-13-2017, 07:55 AM
Its heavy content all. I'd love to see all of them in Print on Demand format which doesnt require the author to have tons of copies printed.



Gatekeeper Press



Rob Price



They would set this up and make it possible. The books would be printed in paperback copies and when you order it, they print and send it to you. Its like magic!



Doubtful Eddie ever goes for such s thing


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Pushout
08-13-2017, 08:19 AM
Doubtful Eddie ever goes for such s thing


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Seems to me he's said before that he's not interested in anything like it.

K2Kraze
08-13-2017, 08:48 AM
Theoretically, all printed books, such as Eddie's 3 books we are all familiar with, will disappear from this planet due to one simple fact - no one is ensuring their survival.

Books get misplaced, damaged, forgotten, and destroyed by a myriad of ways over the years. Even hoarded for whatever reason. But not USED.

So - these books of Eddie's (and all printed material if you will) can be "saved" so to speak - IF Eddie (and the world) wants them to be saved. Or someone else wants them to be saved by buying the rights. And then doing something about it.

I'm thinking the number one and two questions would be "What was the (my) intent of producing a particular book in the first place?" Or "What am I wanting to DO with this knowledge I have?" Was it to make one copy and command a million dollars because the material is that valuable and that's what I want to charge for it.....or do I want the world to have access to the information and knowledge that I posses so they can actually do something with that information and knowledge - vs buy one of the limited in-print books and shelve them so they can say "hey, I have a copy"...

My personal beliefs and goals of preserving all printed material in the realm of cuesists and cuesports we dally in here on AZB extends to the ultimate vision of making them all available to the people that want them. Everywhere and to Anyone. This is the 21st century. Sharing of our knowledge easily and inexpensively to the world masses is one of the great things we have at our disposal that we didn't have even 25 years ago.

So, do we want to see the great SMS, WOP and even the more elusive 3-C rarities of Eddie's slowly disappear and only end up in a museum - or "should" they be saved and disseminated as Robin points out in a lot fewer words than my verbose attempt?

Digital copies and print on demand are the future. But we NEED to have the material to demand and print or this knowledge can never be built upon. We will continuously be starting from scratch. As Eddie did.

I have the volumes. And they are used, read and shared by anyone wishing to do so within my small circle of life. Imagine the possibilities IF these books were made available to the 7.525 billion folks on the pebble today.

Dissemination of information this amazing game entails and that we all share is perhaps the KEY to preserving and saving what we always talk about - cuesports disappearing.

2 cents worth ~

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~ K.

mchnhed
08-13-2017, 08:51 AM
I understand that there is a person writing on new book on One Pocket.
He wrote a wildly popular book talked about here on AzB a few years ago.
I think his New Book is called "A Beginners Guide to Playing One Pocket Pool"

greyghost
08-13-2017, 09:24 AM
Theoretically, all printed books, such as Eddie's 3 books we are all familiar with, will disappear from this planet due to one simple fact - no one is ensuring their survival.

Books get misplaced, damaged, forgotten, and destroyed by a myriad of ways over the years. Even hoarded for whatever reason. But not USED.

So - these books of Eddie's (and all printed material if you will) can be "saved" so to speak - IF Eddie (and the world) wants them to be saved. Or someone else wants them to be saved by buying the rights. And then doing something about it.

I'm thinking the number one and two questions would be "What was the (my) intent of producing a particular book in the first place?" Or "What am I wanting to DO with this knowledge I have?" Was it to make one copy and command a million dollars because the material is that valuable and that's what I want to charge for it.....or do I want the world to have access to the information and knowledge that I posses so they can actually do something with that information and knowledge - vs buy one of the limited in-print books and shelve them so they can say "hey, I have a copy"...

My personal beliefs and goals of preserving all printed material in the realm of cuesists and cuesports we dally in here on AZB extends to the ultimate vision of making them all available to the people that want them. Everywhere and to Anyone. This is the 21st century. Sharing of our knowledge easily and inexpensively to the world masses is one of the great things we have at our disposal that we didn't have even 25 years ago.

So, do we want to see the great SMS, WOP and even the more elusive 3-C rarities of Eddie's slowly disappear and only end up in a museum - or "should" they be saved and disseminated as Robin points out in a lot fewer words than my verbose attempt?

Digital copies and print on demand are the future. But we NEED to have the material to demand and print or this knowledge can never be built upon. We will continuously be starting from scratch. As Eddie did.

I have the volumes. And they are used, read and shared by anyone wishing to do so within my small circle of life. Imagine the possibilities IF these books were made available to the 7.525 billion folks on the pebble today.

Dissemination of information this amazing game entails and that we all share is perhaps the KEY to preserving and saving what we always talk about - cuesports disappearing.

2 cents worth ~

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~ K.



They are probably in the library of congress I'd figure. I'd hope at least


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alphadog
08-13-2017, 10:29 AM
They are probably in the library of congress I'd figure. I'd hope at least


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K2's point is a good 1.
How many times have any of you been to the library of congress?

alphadog
08-13-2017, 10:32 AM
Theoretically, all printed books, such as Eddie's 3 books we are all familiar with, will disappear from this planet due to one simple fact - no one is ensuring their survival.

Books get misplaced, damaged, forgotten, and destroyed by a myriad of ways over the years. Even hoarded for whatever reason. But not USED.

So - these books of Eddie's (and all printed material if you will) can be "saved" so to speak - IF Eddie (and the world) wants them to be saved. Or someone else wants them to be saved by buying the rights. And then doing something about it.

I'm thinking the number one and two questions would be "What was the (my) intent of producing a particular book in the first place?" Or "What am I wanting to DO with this knowledge I have?" Was it to make one copy and command a million dollars because the material is that valuable and that's what I want to charge for it.....or do I want the world to have access to the information and knowledge that I posses so they can actually do something with that information and knowledge - vs buy one of the limited in-print books and shelve them so they can say "hey, I have a copy"...

My personal beliefs and goals of preserving all printed material in the realm of cuesists and cuesports we dally in here on AZB extends to the ultimate vision of making them all available to the people that want them. Everywhere and to Anyone. This is the 21st century. Sharing of our knowledge easily and inexpensively to the world masses is one of the great things we have at our disposal that we didn't have even 25 years ago.

So, do we want to see the great SMS, WOP and even the more elusive 3-C rarities of Eddie's slowly disappear and only end up in a museum - or "should" they be saved and disseminated as Robin points out in a lot fewer words than my verbose attempt?

Digital copies and print on demand are the future. But we NEED to have the material to demand and print or this knowledge can never be built upon. We will continuously be starting from scratch. As Eddie did.

I have the volumes. And they are used, read and shared by anyone wishing to do so within my small circle of life. Imagine the possibilities IF these books were made available to the 7.525 billion folks on the pebble today.

Dissemination of information this amazing game entails and that we all share is perhaps the KEY to preserving and saving what we always talk about - cuesports disappearing.

2 cents worth ~

[emoji41]


~ K.

Great point you make. Remember computers,designed to replace the paper world,have actually added to it. Digital can fail,best have a hard copy somewhere.;)

greyghost
08-13-2017, 11:10 AM
K2's point is a good 1.

How many times have any of you been to the library of congress?



Online or offline? Lol [emoji6]


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pt109
08-13-2017, 11:37 AM
K2's point is a good 1.
How many times have any of you been to the library of congress?

Does the term 'congressional hearing' mean the library has gone audio? :scratchhead:

pt....tryin' to figure it all out

onepocketron
08-13-2017, 11:42 AM
Dang!! WOP is expensive!! Ouch :)

K2Kraze
08-13-2017, 11:59 AM
Great point you make. Remember computers,designed to replace the paper world,have actually added to it. Digital can fail,best have a hard copy somewhere.;)



That's what I was trying to say [emoji16]

deanoc
08-13-2017, 12:13 PM
I actually felt that the best part was the stories
.
I n fact the shots seemed to be gimmicky,rather far out,bank combination,cue ball goes three rails and ends up somewhere behind another ball and safe

I have seen these type of shots,and even hit them once or twice

The book was a specialty item ,tricky shots but hardly a book that a beginner could pick up and learn,progress etc

I have talked with several great players and they expressed the same thoughts

What would be good to see would be a book that taught the basics and then progressed
something that had rules for getting the

my guess is that Billy Incardone could write a great book basics down.He understands every aspect of the game,at least the basics.once I watched him comment with Scott frost and Scott seemed to have an advanced uderstanding that was reflected in his comments.Scott seemed to have
something beyond Billy,but hey,Billy could certainly gett us up to the very top level while not neglecting the basicss

Back to the main idea,I don't think WOP or SMS should be done again,but I would love to see another quality book

Renegade_56
08-13-2017, 12:19 PM
The whole world will go broke emulating chony tohan.

I completely agree. Tony has a style that cannot be taught, or at least in a manner that is successful to the student, hell it don't even work for him alot of times. He is an excellent shotmaker, and a master at seeing shots most don't see, and when he's seeing shots well and executing well he's a monster, but when he's shooting everything he sees and just missing them most any pro can beat him. To play his style, one must have the ability to see what he sees, know what he knows about how to play the shots, and be able to accurately shoot those shots, and very very few people will be able to do all those things, and even if they occasionally do, they'll go bust in their attempt more often than not.

pt109
08-13-2017, 03:22 PM
The whole world will go broke emulating chony tohan.

Ronnie Allen started this...finding 8-n-outs where everybody else played safe.
Efren kicked it up a notch....
...maybe players are gonna have to go where Tony's going....
...or get left behind,

Balls revolve...games evolve

Fast Lenny
08-13-2017, 03:36 PM
Great book along with SMS. I have tried to contribute to one pocket knowledge by producing Power One Pocket 1 and 2 with Scott Frost. Judging by the thousands of copies we sold of each one it obviously is putting knowledge into this generations hands. :smile:

As for the question I don't think it needs to be re-written. I believe Tom Wirth did a great job with his book judging from all I have heard from very good one pocket players who have read it. I haven't gotten my hands on it yet but when I get a chance I will.

TRWpool
08-13-2017, 05:13 PM
Hi Lenny, thank you for your kind words. Sending you a PM now.

Tom

GoldCrown
08-13-2017, 06:12 PM
I have tried to contribute to one pocket knowledge by producing Power One Pocket 1 and 2 with.

Hi Lenny, thank you for your kind words.

Tom

Lenny...Tom...it's people like you. Your love of the game. Your contributions. Thank you...:thumbup:


....Power One Pocket's are a must have. I'm enjoying 1 & 2. Video's are great to learn from.

mattb
08-14-2017, 03:35 AM
Lenny...Tom...it's people like you. Your love of the game. Your contributions. Thank you...:thumbup:


....Power One Pocket's are a must have. I'm enjoying 1 & 2. Video's are great to learn from.

I agree. They both have done some great things for that game and the sport overall.

Looks like, from the input surrounding my initial post, that I should get my hands on a copy of Tom's book.

jay helfert
08-14-2017, 03:42 AM
Got all three books and treasure each one. :thumbup:

GoldCrown
08-14-2017, 11:06 AM
I agree. They both have done some great things for that game and the sport overall.

Looks like, from the input surrounding my initial post, that I should get my hands on a copy of Tom's book.

mattb.... Great Thread...I'm enjoying the quality of the subject and the replies. OnePocket is a specialty game with a certain type of player. The certain type of player meaning a person that commits to learning and taking the game seriously. Our levels vary but that makes 1P more interesting as to how we play a stronger player. The books and videos definitely help a beginner or A player. There is always something to learn.
As far as re-writting WOP...I'd say it should be republished. Would like to own/read for a normal price.
Back to Tom Wirth...aside from his book...if anyone is in S. Florida take a lesson(or 2 or 5) from Tom. It's worth it just to be around him. He is 100% positive business. He is about dominating the game and winning. Tom does not compete as much lately as his new love is instructing/teaching. He teaches as well as he plays...and writes. Did someone say The Mitt?

GoldCrown
08-14-2017, 08:17 PM
From from the For Sale section:



One Pocket: A Game of Controlled Aggresssion - Today, 05:51 PM
NOTICE: As of today the OnePocket.org promo code of "offense" is no longer valid. A new code has replaced it and can be found within Steve Booth's review of the book.

The same discount for my book "One Pocket: A Game of Controlled Aggression" is still available to all members. If you are not already a member, it is free to join, and there are no obligations attached. Just have fun.