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RickLafayette
08-15-2017, 09:23 AM
The new Predator Break cue, the BK-Rush with revo break shaft is out:
$659 for no wrap, $709 for sport wrap.

????????????????????

Are they F'n NUTS!????

RickLafayette
08-15-2017, 09:27 AM
I have no problem paying $2K+ for a custom player....but $700 for a break cue is ridiculous. Even if it cost only $200 more than the BK3 because of the revo shaft, it's just for Breaking!

8ballr
08-15-2017, 09:27 AM
The new Predator Break cue, the BK-Rush with revo break shaft is out:
$659 for no wrap, $709 for sport wrap.

????????????????????

Are they F'n NUTS!????

Probably just trying to cash in before break cues are banned.

Ghosst
08-15-2017, 09:28 AM
What makes it different than the previous BK cues? Just the shaft?

SnapdaNine
08-15-2017, 09:28 AM
I have no problem paying $2K+ for a custom player....but $700 for a break cue is ridiculous. Even if it cost only $200 more than the BK3 because of the revo shaft, it's just for Breaking!

Ya, the break doesn't mean a thing....smh.

jimtauer
08-15-2017, 09:31 AM
Where can you buy it? Checked Seyberts and it's not there yet. I saw it advertised on Facebook but no link to purchase.

RickLafayette
08-15-2017, 09:33 AM
Where can you buy it? Checked Seyberts and it's not there yet. I saw it advertised on Facebook but no link to purchase.

If you want one, Rick at Seybert's could probably get one to you before anyone else.

philly
08-15-2017, 09:35 AM
It's what the market will bear. Predator is no longer a pool company. It is a cash manufacturing marketing machine. $500 for a Revo? Please. I know guys that have both Revos but whatever floats your boat. I'm one of the fools that says it's good to have comfortable equipment, shafts with comfortable tapers and thickness, but it's still the indian, not the arrow that can read the table.

RickLafayette
08-15-2017, 09:41 AM
I have absolutely no problem with the people who wouldn't mind spending the money for the BK-Rush. If they feel it's worth their money, God Bless them. I'm not some jealous socialist. I'm just saying, they are a minority amongst all the pool players. It's certainly not for the masses, which includes me.

jimtauer
08-15-2017, 09:43 AM
Just the same I'd love to see reviews and how this compares to the Mezz break cues in the $500 range.

philly
08-15-2017, 09:46 AM
I have absolutely no problem with the people who wouldn't mind spending the money for the BK-Rush. If they feel it's worth their money, God Bless them. I'm not some jealous socialist. I'm just saying, they are a minority amongst all the pool players. It's certainly not for the masses, which includes me.

I agree. It's their money. I'm of the camp that technique and timing on the break shot is more important than the break stick. Make a ball on the break and leave the cue ball smack in the center of the table. Hopefully you can do ti consistently. All the money in the world won't buy that.

gregnice37
08-15-2017, 10:33 AM
People spend 750-800 on a dymundwood j/b so everyone saying overpriced are too funny.

gregnice37
08-15-2017, 10:34 AM
Where can you buy it? Checked Seyberts and it's not there yet. I saw it advertised on Facebook but no link to purchase.

Sept 15th is the date I've heard.

hang-the-9
08-15-2017, 10:37 AM
What makes it different than the previous BK cues? Just the shaft?

You don't own one yet and will give Predator more money if you buy it. Of course that holds true for pretty much any product LOL, look at the iPhone craze every time they change a color or move or remove a jack, seems half the planet is in line waiting to buy it to replace their 1 year of phones.

Coop1701
08-15-2017, 10:41 AM
I agree. It's their money. I'm of the camp that technique and timing on the break shot is more important than the break stick. Make a ball on the break and leave the cue ball smack in the center of the table. Hopefully you can do ti consistently. All the money in the world won't buy that.

I totally agree... Some times the Tip can help. But you are correct buddy.

philly
08-15-2017, 10:57 AM
I totally agree... Some times the Tip can help. But you are correct buddy.

You can spend your money any way you want. God bless you. Not me. I just spent $1400 on a custom player I designed and had made for me so I can spend my money too. I will never sell it and I'm keeping it forever to pass on to my son. $500 on a shaft? $700 on a jump cue? $600 on a break cue. I can afford it but don't see the value. No thanks.

puma122
08-15-2017, 10:58 AM
There must be demand, or they would not have built it and priced it this way, but for the life of me, I CANNOT understand how someone would spend this much on a break cue. A 80 dollar Amazon special is going to give you very close to the same results...

Save your money and do one\a few of the following:

Take a lesson or two

Pay table time for a long time and practice

Put your skills to the test and lay some cash down on a money game

If you do not have a quality playing cue, buy one. (I suspect this is not an issue for someone who would drop 7 hundred on a break cue

If breaking is your achilles heal...practice it over and over. Hit em hard, leave the ball in the middle of the table...Continue practicing until you can do that...

Crazy.

tableroll
08-15-2017, 11:00 AM
You are money ahead by practicing your timing and putting the q ball in the center of the table with the break q you already have.

FuManchu
08-15-2017, 11:06 AM
Why would anyone in their right mind want to spend that much on this when a Lomax or Brick can be had at the same price?

philly
08-15-2017, 11:08 AM
Why would anyone in their right mind want to spend that much on this when a Lomax or Brick can be had at the same price?

It's magic. It says Predator on it.

FuManchu
08-15-2017, 11:10 AM
It's magic. It says Predator on it.

LMAO! To each his own i guess.

ceebee
08-15-2017, 11:19 AM
You are money ahead by practicing your timing and putting the q ball in the center of the table with the break q you already have.

Most players think Practice is a fate worse than death, cause lots of folks refuse to practice & really won't practice the first shot in every game.

Even a 4 speed, with a good break can give you trouble. We used to have a Tournament in Coffeyville, KS. There were two big ol' country boys that could break up a 9 ball rack & send balls into pockets, like I've never seen. They were 4 Speeds, so when they were on, it was hard to beat them. But this is a situation of itself.

Imagine Van Boening, Skyler, Bustamante or Shaw with a questionable break shot. You might not of ever heard of them.

Results from good practice is REAL...

garczar
08-15-2017, 11:40 AM
Why would anyone in their right mind want to spend that much on this when a Lomax or Brick can be had at the same price?You can add an Andy Gilbert to that list also.

gregnice37
08-15-2017, 01:54 PM
Why would anyone in their right mind want to spend that much on this when a Lomax or Brick can be had at the same price?

Because the Revo is better. I've had over 20 breakers including a Lomax & those dymundwood breakers & Gilbert, but I switched to a Revo to break with & it's the best results I've ever had. I personally can't wait to be able to buy this Rush.

Buckzapper
08-15-2017, 03:47 PM
In most games, it's what you do after the break that determines the winner. Anyone I ever played that had the King Kong break could not get out consistently.

Predator, like many others have patterned their pricing based on the same formula the Pharmaceutical companies use.

Straightpool_99
08-15-2017, 04:06 PM
The new Predator Break cue, the BK-Rush with revo break shaft is out:
$659 for no wrap, $709 for sport wrap.

????????????????????

Are they F'n NUTS!????

People will pay. My friend bought a BK3...Weight bolt keeps coming loose, which is typical for these. Performance is top notch but quality is CRAP.

Anyway, if you play 9/10 ball the break is at least 50% of the game, maybe even 70%, so the pricing makes complete sense. A reasonable kit would consiste of a 700$ break cue, 100$ jump cue and a 200$ playing cue...That would be the correctly prioritized 1000$ for a 9 ball kit. Of course, I don't play a lot of 9 ball outside of the Nationals, so I have a cheap break cue and jump cue and expensive playing cue. Silly me.

cleary
08-15-2017, 04:49 PM
Can't wait to try it. I use my Revo to play and break with. Love it.

Marky Mark
08-15-2017, 05:24 PM
If some some/ most people can't wait to buy one I'm sure Predator can't wait to have their money too...LOL!

philly
08-15-2017, 05:25 PM
People will pay. My friend bought a BK3...Weight bolt keeps coming loose, which is typical for these. Performance is top notch but quality is CRAP.

Anyway, if you play 9/10 ball the break is at least 50% of the game, maybe even 70%, so the pricing makes complete sense. A reasonable kit would consiste of a 700$ break cue, 100$ jump cue and a 200$ playing cue...That would be the correctly prioritized 1000$ for a 9 ball kit. Of course, I don't play a lot of 9 ball outside of the Nationals, so I have a cheap break cue and jump cue and expensive playing cue. Silly me.

The break is the second most important shot in rotation games. The shot on the money ball being the most important and yes your brake can give you control of the table. Your equipment sounds just like mine though I don't use a jump cue. I'm one of the old school guys. I believe kicking/safe kicks is an art. I still play 3 cushion.

philly
08-15-2017, 05:26 PM
If some some/ most people can't wait to buy one I'm sure Predator can't wait to have their money too...LOL!

And that my friend is the art of their marketing.

hotelyorba
08-16-2017, 02:12 AM
Does anyone know if they will sell the revo break shaft too? And if so at what price?

Also, what is the diameter of that break shaft? I think it's a bit fatter than the 12.9 of the player shaft, right?

spliced
08-16-2017, 04:57 AM
So many pool players want to knock predator, but the same people are whining and complaining about our sport dying out. Predator is one of the only billiard manufacturers who still puts money back into the game with tournaments and sponsorships of players and events, so maybe pool players should be a little more supportive. Yes, their stuff is expensive, but as someone said earlier, Mezz break cues are in the $500 range and If you upgrade the shaft to the best mezz break shaft (imo) the pro-H shaft you are adding on 2-3 hundred extra. Nobody seems to give Mezz crap about their prices. The prices predator listed so far for the bk rush are the MSRP so they will be cheaper from a predator retailer. I expect the actual prices to be comparable to Mezz breakers since they are really the only competitor for high end production break cues. I'm not buying one but I'm sure plenty will. Several pros are already using it wth success- Billy Thorpe, Karl Boyes, Carlo Biado, so I'm sure it does its job very well.

RickLafayette
08-16-2017, 07:52 AM
...The prices predator listed so far for the bk rush are the MSRP so they will be cheaper from a predator retailer....

I don't see that happening. The Revo shafts have been out 6 months now and they're still $499.00....from everybody. Apparently, Predator is not allowing their dealers to discount their Revo products. MSRP stands, for now.

Marky Mark
08-16-2017, 03:15 PM
Predator is done with discounting from MSRP. It started with the Revo and has now cascaded to their sneaky petes. This is now the trend as they know they've got a market for their product & anyone who wants a Predator product will simply have to pay what they ask for...

iusedtoberich
08-16-2017, 03:39 PM
I find it fascinating, that there are so many Predator haters, and the tactics they use are:

- Overpriced
- Marketing gimmicks

Yet the people who say they are overpriced, have no problem spending 1k on a custom cue, where you have a 50/50 chance of getting jerked around by a cue maker and wait forever to get your cue.

Regarding the marketing gimmicks, look at any custom cue maker description on their web pages or on the blue book of pool cues, and what will you read there? The same shit. There is no company I've ever heard of making cues, whether a one man shop, or a production company, that says the truth: The cue doesn't mean shit. Its the indian, not the arrow.

Carry on:)

iusedtoberich
08-16-2017, 03:42 PM
So many pool players want to knock predator, but the same people are whining and complaining about our sport dying out. Predator is one of the only billiard manufacturers who still puts money back into the game with tournaments and sponsorships of players and events, so maybe pool players should be a little more supportive. Yes, their stuff is expensive, but as someone said earlier, Mezz break cues are in the $500 range and If you upgrade the shaft to the best mezz break shaft (imo) the pro-H shaft you are adding on 2-3 hundred extra. Nobody seems to give Mezz crap about their prices. The prices predator listed so far for the bk rush are the MSRP so they will be cheaper from a predator retailer. I expect the actual prices to be comparable to Mezz breakers since they are really the only competitor for high end production break cues. I'm not buying one but I'm sure plenty will. Several pros are already using it wth success- Billy Thorpe, Karl Boyes, Carlo Biado, so I'm sure it does its job very well.

Great point. Predator sponsors almost every single event out there! I think people hate on Predator, and not Mezz, because Predator is the industry leader. Its just human nature to hate on the most succcesful. That's one of the costs of getting to the top.

pt109
08-16-2017, 04:45 PM
The cue doesn't mean shit. Its the indian, not the arrow.

Carry on:)

That is so wrong I have trouble believing you made that post.

KMRUNOUT
08-16-2017, 06:27 PM
You can add an Andy Gilbert to that list also.



No offense to those makers, I've hit with those cues plenty of times (Brick, Gilbert, Layne, etc) and they are not bad. However, I spent quite a bit of time at the Predator booth testing out the BK Rush and it is *amazing*. Incredible hit and feel. With respect, a completely different ballpark than the cues mentioned. It looks much nicer than past Predator breakers.

As a connoisseur of break cues I can say without hesitation that this is the best breaker I've ever tried by a significant margin. Just like others would spend a lot more on a nice custom player, they are essentially paying for build and looks. Which is great. For me, I don't care about those things for a break cue. I care about performance, and the BK Rush tops the charts in my opinion, and 2nd is pretty far back.

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KMRUNOUT
08-16-2017, 06:57 PM
People will pay. My friend bought a BK3...Weight bolt keeps coming loose, which is typical for these. Performance is top notch but quality is CRAP.

Anyway, if you play 9/10 ball the break is at least 50% of the game, maybe even 70%, so the pricing makes complete sense. A reasonable kit would consiste of a 700$ break cue, 100$ jump cue and a 200$ playing cue...That would be the correctly prioritized 1000$ for a 9 ball kit. Of course, I don't play a lot of 9 ball outside of the Nationals, so I have a cheap break cue and jump cue and expensive playing cue. Silly me.



You make a lot of sense, although I may disagree with your specific distribution of numbers. Funny thing is, as an industry, pool wishes it could be golf. And golfers go nuts buying super expensive drivers for their tee shot, even though many subscribe to the old adage "drive for show putt for dough". I may be very ignorant here, and I know you can get up there in price for putters, but I think the typical high end driver is way more expensive than the typical high end putter. Regardless, I think there are some deep flaws in the logic of "I'd spend a lot on a nice custom but I'd never spend a lot on a break cue".

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iusedtoberich
08-16-2017, 07:01 PM
That is so wrong I have trouble believing you made that post.

I truly believe it. Give any player, from D to Shane, a year to play with any cue, he will learn it, and play to the best of his ability. Even if the prior cue was completely different.

hang-the-9
08-17-2017, 06:48 AM
I agree. It's their money. I'm of the camp that technique and timing on the break shot is more important than the break stick. Make a ball on the break and leave the cue ball smack in the center of the table. Hopefully you can do ti consistently. All the money in the world won't buy that.

Yes, people try to fix a $10 break with a $700 break cue :cool: My break is a $7 break, which is why I stick with a $70 break cue or use a house cue or my "emergency spare/loaner" Star McD.

I think it's better to spend $600 on lessons then buy a $100 break cue.

What's that saying, buy a man a break cue and he will break for one set. Teach him to break and he will break for a lifetime.

LegitStick1234
08-17-2017, 08:16 AM
$700 is a fine price if you ask me. All their equipment is in that price range or higher. It is new equipment. I personally am not a fan of the look, but I like the plain Jane look. I think people spend a lot more than $700 on a cue these days. I have never touched a revo shaft so I cannot say what it is for a product, but a lot of people seem to love it. So in my mind if I am going to love something I would be happy spending $700. I bought a Samsara True break shaft a few months ago and have really enjoyed it and that is what matters. If you like it buy it. A man has to have a hobby!

pinkspider
09-16-2017, 09:16 PM
I bought one. I love tech and I think they're doing amazing work with these developments. I also own the 12.4mm and 12.9mm shafts.

I'm not a fan of the price and I'd be the first to say that the value proposition is absolute bollocks. Furthermore I have no idea how long these shafts can last from day to day use. But what the hell, right?

We can debate why these things cost so much but until we have inside info on the cost breakdown we are essentially speculating (albeit many sensible points have been brought up). Predator is run like a proper corporate entity though – not that there's anything wrong with that; makes the game look more professional – so I guess that gives some clue about how they price their stuff.

But anyway, on to the cue. I think – subjectively – this is a nicer design than the BK3. The sport wrap version looks really cool. But the cheap decal looks really cheap; I'm sorry Predator but you have to sort that shit out. Not at this price. I have no issues with companies making things cheaply but you have to at least make that extra little effort to make people feel they are getting their money's worth for high end stuff.

For that matter someone mentioned earlier that no one shits on mezz for their pricing. Ok this may not be directly addressing his point but generally mezz products are very, very well made. I've been trying to find fault with their cues for years but have yet to find anything damning. I'm sure most mezz owners will concur. They are that good – for a production-style cue. They look and feel good. When you put a predator next to it, the predator just feels cheap. But to their credit, predator's cues in recent years are quite well made and they're on a roll. The fit and finish is good BUT mostly for the higher end stuff like the 8k/ikon/etc (waiting to see how the new sneaky petes are like though). I'll still put them a notch below mezz – Mezz deserve their reputation for their obsession with quality control.

Superficial rant aside, the cue works as advertised – which is ultimately most important.

The Rush is similar to the BK3, but a supercharged version if that makes sense. It rewards a clean stroke because the energy transfer from shaft to cue ball is amazingly good. On top of that it's really low deflection. Then again, one can argue that you don't really need this kind of cue to break well. That is true. Which is why this is more suited for those who are anal, have too much money, or high level players who want that 5-10% (basically small) improvement. If you don't have good breaking technique to begin with this cue will not help your game. This is not a silver bullet.

The Revo shaft is old news and everyone by now knows how it performs. What I found great was the marriage of tip and shaft. The tip is hard enough to offer power, but compresses enough and grips well. It's a great balance of power (from acceleration, very different concept from the mezz style ones) and control; I think there should be enough videos on YouTube of pros demonstrating how they use this style of break (revo + bk3 butt mostly) You can even use it to play like in the grand tradition of old BKs (those who used the early ones will know). It makes cut breaks easier and you have the option to power through if you want. I haven't tried jumping with it though, I can't jump to save my life so someone else will need to chime in on this.

Bottom line: the rush is an amazing piece of tech. The revo isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread but it brings a different set of characteristics to the table – variety certainly is the spice of life. It's early days for carbon fibre shafts but I think at the moment its power and accuracy are quite outstanding and while it's hard to convince people that revos make great play shafts (however if you are shotmaker at heart then the revo may be what you need; they really need to plug Joshua Filler though, his uber aggressive style makes him the perfect poster child for the Revo), more people are likely to appreciate its technical abilities through the Rush.

TL; DR:
The Rush is way too expensive but it's generally more powerful than the BK3 (subject to break technique) and has low deflection as well. Consider if you want even more control of your cue ball on your break.

pinkspider
09-16-2017, 10:22 PM
You make a lot of sense, although I may disagree with your specific distribution of numbers. Funny thing is, as an industry, pool wishes it could be golf. And golfers go nuts buying super expensive drivers for their tee shot, even though many subscribe to the old adage "drive for show putt for dough". I may be very ignorant here, and I know you can get up there in price for putters, but I think the typical high end driver is way more expensive than the typical high end putter. Regardless, I think there are some deep flaws in the logic of "I'd spend a lot on a nice custom but I'd never spend a lot on a break cue".

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I find that a good question to ask people where their priorities lie is: if you find a break cue that helps you double up your break-and-run numbers, would you mind buying it even if it costs more than your play cue?

Except if they own $60,000 Black Boars and stuff...

gregnice37
09-17-2017, 01:37 AM
I bought one. I love tech and I think they're doing amazing work with these developments. I also own the 12.4mm and 12.9mm shafts.

I'm not a fan of the price and I'd be the first to say that the value proposition is absolute bollocks. Furthermore I have no idea how long these shafts can last from day to day use. But what the hell, right?

We can debate why these things cost so much but until we have inside info on the cost breakdown we are essentially speculating (albeit many sensible points have been brought up). Predator is run like a proper corporate entity though – not that there's anything wrong with that; makes the game look more professional – so I guess that gives some clue about how they price their stuff.

But anyway, on to the cue. I think – subjectively – this is a nicer design than the BK3. The sport wrap version looks really cool. But the cheap decal looks really cheap; I'm sorry Predator but you have to sort that shit out. Not at this price. I have no issues with companies making things cheaply but you have to at least make that extra little effort to make people feel they are getting their money's worth for high end stuff.

For that matter someone mentioned earlier that no one shits on mezz for their pricing. Ok this may not be directly addressing his point but generally mezz products are very, very well made. I've been trying to find fault with their cues for years but have yet to find anything damning. I'm sure most mezz owners will concur. They are that good – for a production-style cue. They look and feel good. When you put a predator next to it, the predator just feels cheap. But to their credit, predator's cues in recent years are quite well made and they're on a roll. The fit and finish is good BUT mostly for the higher end stuff like the 8k/ikon/etc (waiting to see how the new sneaky petes are like though). I'll still put them a notch below mezz – Mezz deserve their reputation for their obsession with quality control.

Superficial rant aside, the cue works as advertised – which is ultimately most important.

The Rush is similar to the BK3, but a supercharged version if that makes sense. It rewards a clean stroke because the energy transfer from shaft to cue ball is amazingly good. On top of that it's really low deflection. Then again, one can argue that you don't really need this kind of cue to break well. That is true. Which is why this is more suited for those who are anal, have too much money, or high level players who want that 5-10% (basically small) improvement. If you don't have good breaking technique to begin with this cue will not help your game. This is not a silver bullet.

The Revo shaft is old news and everyone by now knows how it performs. What I found great was the marriage of tip and shaft. The tip is hard enough to offer power, but compresses enough and grips well. It's a great balance of power (from acceleration, very different concept from the mezz style ones) and control; I think there should be enough videos on YouTube of pros demonstrating how they use this style of break (revo + bk3 butt mostly) You can even use it to play like in the grand tradition of old BKs (those who used the early ones will know). It makes cut breaks easier and you have the option to power through if you want. I haven't tried jumping with it though, I can't jump to save my life so someone else will need to chime in on this.

Bottom line: the rush is an amazing piece of tech. The revo isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread but it brings a different set of characteristics to the table – variety certainly is the spice of life. It's early days for carbon fibre shafts but I think at the moment its power and accuracy are quite outstanding and while it's hard to convince people that revos make great play shafts (however if you are shotmaker at heart then the revo may be what you need; they really need to plug Joshua Filler though, his uber aggressive style makes him the perfect poster child for the Revo), more people are likely to appreciate its technical abilities through the Rush.

TL; DR:
The Rush is way too expensive but it's generally more powerful than the BK3 (subject to break technique) and has low deflection as well. Consider if you want even more control of your cue ball on your break.

How did you buy one already? They were supposed to be for sale on the 15th, but don't see them for sale anywhere yet. I want to order one asap.

ceebee
09-17-2017, 07:03 AM
No offense to those makers, I've hit with those cues plenty of times (Brick, Gilbert, Layne, etc) and they are not bad. However, I spent quite a bit of time at the Predator booth testing out the BK Rush and it is *amazing*. Incredible hit and feel. With respect, a completely different ballpark than the cues mentioned. It looks much nicer than past Predator breakers.

As a connoisseur of break cues I can say without hesitation that this is the best breaker I've ever tried by a significant margin. Just like others would spend a lot more on a nice custom player, they are essentially paying for build and looks. Which is great. For me, I don't care about those things for a break cue. I care about performance, and the BK Rush tops the charts in my opinion, and 2nd is pretty far back.

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Could you give me a rundown on the specs & how you think this cue is the "numero uno" piece of Break Shot equipment.

Johnny Rosato
09-17-2017, 07:45 AM
The name "Predator" is fitting for this company!

strmanglr scott
09-17-2017, 08:08 AM
So glad I'm not a predator enthusiast.

Put any price on an item, there's always someone who's gonna buy it.

Imo, that's well beyond a ridiculous price.

kaznj
09-17-2017, 02:51 PM
Does anyone know what the difference is between new break shaft and the regular revo shaft. I heard they put on a special pad and their own special tip. Is this the only difference?

AuntyDan
09-17-2017, 06:07 PM
From the Predator rep I spoke to at a recent event other than the pad and tip these seem to be the main differences:

1) Different layering/construction of the carbon material in the shaft, although the actual taper is the same
2) Different foam inside

I tried one on their stand and it did feel different from breaking with my Revo 12.9 shaft with the normal tip. However it did not feel different in a good way to me. They advised me to maintain a very loose grip all the way through the break otherwise it feels weird, almost like there is nothing there.

To be fair to it I only had a few minutes and was breaking on a bar-box. I'd really like to spend a few hours trying breaks on a 9' before making a determination if it has any merits for my game or not.

I do like my Revo playing cues and already have a BK3 which seemed very expensive for what it is when I got it. I'm probably not going to bother with the BK Rush unless they sell just the shaft I can put on my BK3, and even then it's borderline at present. (The butt appears to be identically made to the BK3 just with different graphics.)

poolhustler
09-17-2017, 06:29 PM
I bought one. I love tech and I think they're doing amazing work with these developments. I also own the 12.4mm and 12.9mm shafts.

I'm not a fan of the price and I'd be the first to say that the value proposition is absolute bollocks. Furthermore I have no idea how long these shafts can last from day to day use. But what the hell, right?

We can debate why these things cost so much but until we have inside info on the cost breakdown we are essentially speculating (albeit many sensible points have been brought up). Predator is run like a proper corporate entity though – not that there's anything wrong with that; makes the game look more professional – so I guess that gives some clue about how they price their stuff.

But anyway, on to the cue. I think – subjectively – this is a nicer design than the BK3. The sport wrap version looks really cool. But the cheap decal looks really cheap; I'm sorry Predator but you have to sort that shit out. Not at this price. I have no issues with companies making things cheaply but you have to at least make that extra little effort to make people feel they are getting their money's worth for high end stuff.

For that matter someone mentioned earlier that no one shits on mezz for their pricing. Ok this may not be directly addressing his point but generally mezz products are very, very well made. I've been trying to find fault with their cues for years but have yet to find anything damning. I'm sure most mezz owners will concur. They are that good – for a production-style cue. They look and feel good. When you put a predator next to it, the predator just feels cheap. But to their credit, predator's cues in recent years are quite well made and they're on a roll. The fit and finish is good BUT mostly for the higher end stuff like the 8k/ikon/etc (waiting to see how the new sneaky petes are like though). I'll still put them a notch below mezz – Mezz deserve their reputation for their obsession with quality control.

Superficial rant aside, the cue works as advertised – which is ultimately most important.

The Rush is similar to the BK3, but a supercharged version if that makes sense. It rewards a clean stroke because the energy transfer from shaft to cue ball is amazingly good. On top of that it's really low deflection. Then again, one can argue that you don't really need this kind of cue to break well. That is true. Which is why this is more suited for those who are anal, have too much money, or high level players who want that 5-10% (basically small) improvement. If you don't have good breaking technique to begin with this cue will not help your game. This is not a silver bullet.

The Revo shaft is old news and everyone by now knows how it performs. What I found great was the marriage of tip and shaft. The tip is hard enough to offer power, but compresses enough and grips well. It's a great balance of power (from acceleration, very different concept from the mezz style ones) and control; I think there should be enough videos on YouTube of pros demonstrating how they use this style of break (revo + bk3 butt mostly) You can even use it to play like in the grand tradition of old BKs (those who used the early ones will know). It makes cut breaks easier and you have the option to power through if you want. I haven't tried jumping with it though, I can't jump to save my life so someone else will need to chime in on this.

Bottom line: the rush is an amazing piece of tech. The revo isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread but it brings a different set of characteristics to the table – variety certainly is the spice of life. It's early days for carbon fibre shafts but I think at the moment its power and accuracy are quite outstanding and while it's hard to convince people that revos make great play shafts (however if you are shotmaker at heart then the revo may be what you need; they really need to plug Joshua Filler though, his uber aggressive style makes him the perfect poster child for the Revo), more people are likely to appreciate its technical abilities through the Rush.

TL; DR:
The Rush is way too expensive but it's generally more powerful than the BK3 (subject to break technique) and has low deflection as well. Consider if you want even more control of your cue ball on your break.

Thanks for the honest review!! So many haters on here ... who haven't even held a Revo or Rush yet, but have no problem spending thousands on a custom cue when a $40 Kmart cue would work just fine .. right? LOL

rhatten
09-17-2017, 07:17 PM
So like where can one buy just the BK-Rush shaft?... no need for a butt.

Thx
r

pinkspider
09-17-2017, 07:33 PM
How did you buy one already? They were supposed to be for sale on the 15th, but don't see them for sale anywhere yet. I want to order one asap.

I'm not from stateside and my friend is a dealer; I grabbed one from him the moment he received it...

pinkspider
09-17-2017, 07:58 PM
Thanks for the honest review!! So many haters on here ... who haven't even held a Revo or Rush yet, but have no problem spending thousands on a custom cue when a $40 Kmart cue would work just fine .. right? LOL

Lol indeed. I get people who hate on predator for their prices and I agree fully that you can get better 'value' elsewhere especially when prices are edging into custom cue territory.

But the concept of value is subjective and I think a lot depends on what you are trying to get for your money.

One thing to consider that I don't recall was ever raised: I think sometimes we have to acknowledge the strengths of larger scale production processes and some perspective is needed.

If a custom builder were to make a revo-like shaft that has the same material/construction spec and performance, I highly doubt he or she would be able to charge a lower price than what Predator does.

gregnice37
09-17-2017, 09:22 PM
Fyi to those interested I saw on Facebook from a predator rep that the release got pushed back from the 15th to 30th due to Irma

9Ballr
09-17-2017, 11:48 PM
No way on earth I would buy a break cue, or any cue for that matter, that doesn't have readily available shafts.

So far getting shafts for the Predator break cues has been a nightmare.

I'lll stick to my Mezz Power Break. If anything happens to its shaft all I gotta do is order a new one.

9Ballr
09-17-2017, 11:56 PM
Thanks for the honest review!! So many haters on here ... who haven't even held a Revo or Rush yet, but have no problem spending thousands on a custom cue when a $40 Kmart cue would work just fine .. right? LOL



We've come to a point in this world where if you have a negative opinion on something you are a "hater".
Which basically means you can't have an opinion.
Everything has to be kiss a** hunky dory or you're a hater.

I use a revo shaft but there's no way I'd get a break cue that has a shaft I can't readily buy.

pinkspider
09-18-2017, 12:07 AM
No way on earth I would buy a break cue, or any cue for that matter, that doesn't have readily available shafts.

So far getting shafts for the Predator break cues has been a nightmare.

I'lll stick to my Mezz Power Break. If anything happens to its shaft all I gotta do is order a new one.

on an unrelated note, what i understand is that there is a massive backorder (globally) for mezz right now. i'm not sure if the US is affected, but we're definitely feeling it over here. if you need to get anything important from mezz, pls do it asap.

trob
09-18-2017, 02:05 AM
We've come to a point in this world where if you have a negative opinion on something you are a "hater".
Which basically means you can't have an opinion.
Everything has to be kiss a** hunky dory or you're a hater.

I use a revo shaft but there's no way I'd get a break cue that has a shaft I can't readily buy.

I don't have a problem with a negative review. When It comes to cues one person's magic wand is another persons garbage. What I find funny is the people who never have hit with the revo shaft or broke with the revo break cue but already insist it's junk. It's like reviewing the way a car drives before you ever drove it. It's internet trolls who have nothing better to do with thier life then ***** about everything.

pinkspider
09-18-2017, 06:21 AM
From the Predator rep I spoke to at a recent event other than the pad and tip these seem to be the main differences:

1) Different layering/construction of the carbon material in the shaft, although the actual taper is the same
2) Different foam inside

I tried one on their stand and it did feel different from breaking with my Revo 12.9 shaft with the normal tip. However it did not feel different in a good way to me. They advised me to maintain a very loose grip all the way through the break otherwise it feels weird, almost like there is nothing there.

To be fair to it I only had a few minutes and was breaking on a bar-box. I'd really like to spend a few hours trying breaks on a 9' before making a determination if it has any merits for my game or not.

I do like my Revo playing cues and already have a BK3 which seemed very expensive for what it is when I got it. I'm probably not going to bother with the BK Rush unless they sell just the shaft I can put on my BK3, and even then it's borderline at present. (The butt appears to be identically made to the BK3 just with different graphics.)

I measured the tapers.. they’re the same. Approx. 13.9mm thick at 14” point. The 12.9mm weighs between 109-113g, the revo weighs about 115-117g; from the couple I was able to weigh. If that helps.

JoeyA
10-02-2017, 07:00 AM
Practicing your break with a BreakRak will increase your profiency at a faster rate than racking and breaking a traditional rack of balls.

JoeyA

Most players think Practice is a fate worse than death, cause lots of folks refuse to practice & really won't practice the first shot in every game.

Even a 4 speed, with a good break can give you trouble. We used to have a Tournament in Coffeyville, KS. There were two big ol' country boys that could break up a 9 ball rack & send balls into pockets, like I've never seen. They were 4 Speeds, so when they were on, it was hard to beat them. But this is a situation of itself.

Imagine Van Boening, Skyler, Bustamante or Shaw with a questionable break shot. You might not of ever heard of them.

Results from good practice is REAL...

JoeyA
10-02-2017, 08:40 AM
I too am interested in the BK-RUSH Predator break cue. Yes, it is rather pricey. My break has improved slightly due to increase practice of the break but I have noticed that the custom REVO playing shaft that I use has given me the ability to draw the cue ball better.

It is also my belief that the low cue ball deflection feature with the REVO shaft is not as valuable when breaking but I stand to be corrected on that.

I'm debating about getting rid of my BK2 which had a Sports Grip on it. Now the Sports Grip has been removed and have toyed with the idea of making it whole again. Maybe I should just sell it as is and let someone else put the grip of their choice on it.

I don't know if the BK-RUSH is any better than the BK2 so maybe I should wait until someone else purchases one and I can try it out for myself to see if it fits my style of breaking.

My break speeds are slow; 19-21 mph. I doubt that my speed will increase but I think the stiffness of the REVO shaft is a great thing. We'll see.

JoeyA


Practicing your break with a BreakRak will increase your profiency at a faster rate than racking and breaking a traditional rack of balls.

JoeyA

ceebee
10-03-2017, 07:03 AM
In the Break Shot arena, we have 2-3 goals to meet.

The 1st is accuracy. Off-hits play havoc with that goal.

The 2nd is speed. Warning; an off-hit cue ball will add to the throw (squirt) of a hard hit cue ball .

The 3rd is Cue Ball control. Off-hits play havoc with that, too.

I've found that stiff shafts provide the necessary spine, to hit the cue ball hard, but can also add to throw (squirt) , in off hits. But, so do normal spine shafts.


LD Shafts are in a world by themselves. If they have any flex, the shaft can buckle ever so slightly, losing compression in the stroke, thereby losing power,. They may help in accuracy, when cueing the Cue Ball with side spin.

We are making a "Throw (SQUIRT) Measuring Machine, to see with High Speed Video, just what actually happens" in this arena.

Without "accuracy of hit on the cue ball & object ball" your goals are out the window, but then everyone knows that.

Johnnyt
10-03-2017, 08:08 AM
The walls of every poolroom has many breakers on the wall for FREE. $700 for a break cue, what a hustle. Johnnyt

ceebee
10-03-2017, 09:28 AM
The walls of every poolroom has many breakers on the wall for FREE. $700 for a break cue, what a hustle. Johnnyt

Well that's right nice of them to hang Break Cues all over the wall.

But, I PREFER my Break Cue, which has the right kind of tip & ferrule. Plus. my Break Cue is the right weight for me & it's balanced for my preferences. It has a different shaft taper, made to have a semi-stiff spine to overcome any might-be buckling.

My Cue was made for me by John Parker of Auerbach Custom Cues.

Rain-Man
10-03-2017, 12:29 PM
Gone.......

poolhustler
10-03-2017, 09:24 PM
We've come to a point in this world where if you have a negative opinion on something you are a "hater".
Which basically means you can't have an opinion.
Everything has to be kiss a** hunky dory or you're a hater.

I use a revo shaft but there's no way I'd get a break cue that has a shaft I can't readily buy.

A negative opinion is worthless... as are the majority of the "opinion's" here. What's the percentage of people on here bashing Predator that have actually used or tested the Rush? I would bet you it's almost zero. If same people tested or even hit with the cue I wouldn't say anything about a negative review, but talking out your ass is just that.......

Opinion's are like a**holes....

poolhustler
10-03-2017, 09:27 PM
The walls of every poolroom has many breakers on the wall for FREE. $700 for a break cue, what a hustle. Johnnyt

another worthless out the ass post...........

KMRUNOUT
10-03-2017, 10:19 PM
In the Break Shot arena, we have 2-3 goals to meet.

The 1st is accuracy. Off-hits play havoc with that goal.

The 2nd is speed. Warning; an off-hit cue ball will add to the throw of a hard hit cue ball .

The 3rd is Cue Ball control. Off-hits play havoc with that, too.

I've found that stiff shafts provide the necessary spine, to hit the cue ball hard, but can also add to throw, in off hits. But, so do normal spine shafts.


LD Shafts are in a world by themselves. If they have any flex, the shaft can buckle ever so slightly, losing compression in the stroke, thereby losing power,. They may help in accuracy, when cueing the Cue Ball with side spin.

We are making a "Throw Measuring Machine, to see with High Speed Video, just what actually happens" in this arena.

Without "accuracy of hit on the cue ball & object ball" your goals are out the window, but then everyone knows that.

When you use the word throw, are you intending the term "squirt" or cue ball deflection? If so then I agree with most of what you say.

KMRUNOUT

KMRUNOUT
10-03-2017, 10:23 PM
The walls of every poolroom has many breakers on the wall for FREE. $700 for a break cue, what a hustle. Johnnyt

This finally explains why all the PGA tour golfers are using rental drivers from the course they are at. All those insanely researched high tech drivers that cost a ton must be the biggest hustle in America.

KMRUNOUT

pinkspider
10-03-2017, 10:32 PM
I too am interested in the BK-RUSH Predator break cue. Yes, it is rather pricey. My break has improved slightly due to increase practice of the break but I have noticed that the custom REVO playing shaft that I use has given me the ability to draw the cue ball better.

It is also my belief that the low cue ball deflection feature with the REVO shaft is not as valuable when breaking but I stand to be corrected on that.

I'm debating about getting rid of my BK2 which had a Sports Grip on it. Now the Sports Grip has been removed and have toyed with the idea of making it whole again. Maybe I should just sell it as is and let someone else put the grip of their choice on it.

I don't know if the BK-RUSH is any better than the BK2 so maybe I should wait until someone else purchases one and I can try it out for myself to see if it fits my style of breaking.

My break speeds are slow; 19-21 mph. I doubt that my speed will increase but I think the stiffness of the REVO shaft is a great thing. We'll see.

JoeyA

Actually, its very low deflection is its biggest differentiating factor. a lot of break cues can deliver power

gregnice37
10-03-2017, 11:19 PM
I should have mine on Thursday. Cant wait to try it out at league thursday night. Might hve to be a little late waiting on UPS to deliver it.

Kimmo H.
10-03-2017, 11:31 PM
^ Nice, please chime in on how you like it after the league night.
Especially interested on how it feels and sounds when breaking hard :smile:

trob
10-04-2017, 05:00 AM
A negative opinion is worthless... as are the majority of the "opinion's" here. What's the percentage of people on here bashing Predator that have actually used or tested the Rush? I would bet you it's almost zero. If same people tested or even hit with the cue I wouldn't say anything about a negative review, but talking out your ass is just that.......

Opinion's are like a**holes....

Exactly what I’ve been saying for years. If you actually used one and disliked it that’s fine. Say you don’t and say why. I use predator but certainly don’t like the way all thier products play or feel. It’s the people who haven’t even seen one let alone used one that feel the need to give a negative review that our the idiots who just feel the need to hate anything new or different. lol

poolhustler
10-04-2017, 06:24 AM
I should have mine on Thursday. Cant wait to try it out at league thursday night. Might hve to be a little late waiting on UPS to deliver it.

sweet... will be nice to have a review instead of "opinion's" :)

JoeyA
10-04-2017, 07:16 AM
I don't know many good breakers who use English on the break shot.

JoeyA

Actually, its very low deflection is its biggest differentiating factor. a lot of break cues can deliver power

ceebee
10-04-2017, 07:59 AM
Actually there are 4 or 5 Breaks that Joe Tucker has mapped out for 8-Ball & 9-Ball that use English.
They are shown in my book, The GREAT Break Shot & his book, Racking Secrets.

JoeyA
10-04-2017, 08:11 AM
Yeah, LOL I do use English on the second ball break in 8 ball.
Thanks for reminding me Charlie.


I suppose you could use English on the Cut break in 9 ball....

Thanks,

JoeyA


Actually there are 4 or 5 Breaks that Joe Tucker has mapped out for 8-Ball & 9-Ball that use English.
They are shown in my book, The GREAT Break Shot & his book, Racking Secrets.

JoeyA
10-04-2017, 08:16 AM
:embarrassed2: Now that Charlie has straightened me out about the Break Shot.

The low deflection properties are probably more valuable when playing one pocket or straight pool.

I guess I don't value cue ball deflection much on rotational games.

Thanks,
JoeyA

Actually, its very low deflection is its biggest differentiating factor. a lot of break cues can deliver power

poolhustler
10-04-2017, 09:57 AM
I ordered a wrapless BK Rush this morning so I can try it out. Will report back on how it hits.....

KMRUNOUT
10-04-2017, 10:51 AM
I don't know many good breakers who use English on the break shot.



JoeyA



Yes you do Joey. You know many. Because no one hits the cue ball accurately every time on regular shots, less so on the break. What you should have said is "I don't know any good breakers who *intentionally* use English on the break", a statement that I would agree with. The whole point of LD on a break cue is to mitigate the problems associated with an off center hit on the break. You can screw up more and still get a square hit on the front ball. That's what that's about.

Also, yes, there are times when using English is a good strategy. The front ball break in 8 ball and the side rail break in 9 ball (1 on the spot) are not those times lol. But 9 on the spot break from the box is on that comes to mind.

KMRUNOUT


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knifemakermike
10-04-2017, 12:03 PM
Funny story.....

I started playing again a few months ago after not playing for over a decade. Never owned a break cue besides a sneaky pete. I got a Mezz Kai with H-shaft and I can't believe I ever played without one.

That's great and all except for the fact that I never get to use it because losers rack while winners break, and I lose a lot....

So now my break is devastating and scares guys into not giving me as much weight as I really need..... I can barely run 4-5 balls.

I don't think the difference once you go into these break cues is enough to buy new ones, but that's just me. There is a physics limitation to the equipment and once you hit it it becomes about the technique. I don't mind anyone spending there money anyway they want if they can, I'm just saying a lot of it is marketing once you reach a certain level.

poolhustler
10-04-2017, 02:59 PM
My technique is decent, so I should jump from a C+ player to an A+ player with this Predator BK Rush break cue :)

ctyhntr
10-04-2017, 03:23 PM
Not just the shaft, likely a whole new marketing campaign to differentiate between the BK, BK2 & BK3. Or wait until next year for BK-Rush 2. :D

What makes it different than the previous BK cues? Just the shaft?

pinkspider
10-04-2017, 04:06 PM
Not just the shaft, likely a whole new marketing campaign to differentiate between the BK, BK2 & BK3. Or wait until next year for BK-Rush 2. :D

But not before releasing a carbon fiber Airbender jump cue first! lol

gregnice37
10-06-2017, 02:05 AM
So i got the Rush delivered to me about 2 hours before league this past night.

Worth mentioning, that before the Rush i was using something super similar. I was using the sport 2 butt with the sports wrap & a regular 12.4mm Revo shaft with a Samsara break/jump tip. The cue was 18.5ozs & broke the balls amazing.

So now the only difference in the Rush is the shaft mm which is 12.9mm, the new predator hybrid break tip & the whole cue is 17.9ozs so .6ozs lighter.

Didnt get in many breaks as i didnt shoot tonight as i added a new team member tonight & shot him instead of me.

Table was 7" bar box from the 50's and no name on it anywhere, definitely not a valley. Use the ryo rack which is the best rack ive ever used to get the balls tight without a doubt on a bar box. Also only play 8 ball.

1st couple of breaks were 4 inches to the right of the center spot, hitting the 1ball head on. Lots of action & great spreads. No balls were bunched & averaged 1.5 balls made per break.

Next couple attempts were 1 inch off the right rail bitting the 2nd ball in the rack. Decent results & lots of movement on the 8 ball. However ended up in lots clusters.

Will try to get about 10-20 more break attempts in Tuesday when i go back to bar for the weekly tourney.

maxeypad2007
10-09-2017, 01:04 PM
Just got the BK rush

Love it

Absolutely ridicous and easily the best product i've owned ever in terms of a break cue.

poolhustler
10-10-2017, 06:59 PM
Got my BK Rush wrapless on Saturday. Took it to league last night. Broke really well with it... transfers power really well. 4 others hit with it and loved it as well. After adjustment I'm sure this will replace my BKIII.

GoldCrown
10-10-2017, 07:08 PM
The new Predator Break cue, the BK-Rush with revo break shaft is out:
$659 for no wrap, $709 for sport wrap.

????????????????????

Are they F'n NUTS!????

They are Nuckin' Futz. And it will most likely sell. I wonder how much better it is compared to my CueTec Bullet or a Dufferin house cue.

9Ballr
10-11-2017, 05:24 AM
They are Nuckin' Futz. And it will most likely sell. I wonder how better it is compared to my CueTec Bullet or a Dufferin house cue.


Sell?
Hell yes they will sell.
Most places are already completely sold out.....:eek:
Like I said earlier in this thread, there is exactly no way I would ever buy a cue that I can not readily buy another shaft for.
Predator break cues - all of them - have been notoriously hard to get shafts for.
I'm using a Mezz Power Break II and I love it. The rack simply explodes.
If I break the shaft or something happens to it I go online and order another one.
End of story. Good luck doing that with the BK Rush.

ShootPool1967
10-11-2017, 05:51 AM
One word ... Lomax


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poolhustler
10-11-2017, 06:26 AM
Sell?
Hell yes they will sell.
Most places are already completely sold out.....:eek:
Like I said earlier in this thread, there is exactly no way I would ever buy a cue that I can not readily buy another shaft for.
Predator break cues - all of them - have been notoriously hard to get shafts for.
I'm using a Mezz Power Break II and I love it. The rack simply explodes.
If I break the shaft or something happens to it I go online and order another one.
End of story. Good luck doing that with the BK Rush.

Serious question...

Have you ever broken a shaft on a break cue when breaking? I ask only because I have never broken a shaft in many years of playing and have never seen anyone break one.

9Ballr
10-11-2017, 08:23 AM
Serious question...

Have you ever broken a shaft on a break cue when breaking?


Nope. Never broken or seen a shaft broken when breaking.

But shafts need to be replaced whenever they break, and I've seen a lot of shafts break; always by accident, but I'd hate to render a 700 dollar cue useless because I can't get another shaft.
Granted, I've dropped my Predator cue with a Revo shaft pretty hard on the floor and there wasn't as much a dent, ding or a scratch on it.
So obviously they would need a lot to break.
But dings don't just get polished out of these shafts.
I know a guy who dinged up his Revo about 8 inches from the tip and it makes it very annoying to play with the shaft.

JohnnyOzone
10-11-2017, 09:50 AM
Serious question...

Have you ever broken a shaft on a break cue when breaking? I ask only because I have never broken a shaft in many years of playing and have never seen anyone break one.

I haven't done it, but I have seen it done....twice

Probably weren't very expensive break cues, though

ceebee
10-11-2017, 09:55 AM
Yes, I have seen it done, more than once in my 50 years. I believe there may be some instances in the search bar... BUT, it's not an everyday occurrence.

HawaiianEye
10-11-2017, 10:15 AM
IMHO, nobody needs a break cue that costs in the hundreds of dollars unless you are playing pool for a living.

I see the PROS using these high-dollar break cues and they aren't making any more balls than SVB does when he uses his normal Cuetec playing cue to break.

I see people in the leagues over here that can't run three balls in a row if their lives depended on it and they use $500 Predator break cues to hit the balls at 9 MPH.

All you need is a good solid cue with a good tip that you can cue accurately with at higher than normal stroke speeds. It doesn't have to be made ESPECIALLY for breaking...that is a gimmick, if you ask me.

FWIW, I prefer to use my playing cue to break with.

9Ballr
10-11-2017, 11:57 AM
I prefer to use my playing cue to break with.

I have that Mezz break cue I mentioned and it's awesome, however I LOVE breaking with my playing cue.

For some reason it just feels good.

And the playing cue I have these days is a Revo.
So that shaft can definitely stand being broken with, without shattering.

Now, of course Predator doesn't recommend doing that.
They recommend using the shaft that comes in the 700 dollar package because it has a harder tip and has some silly 1/16th of an inch pad (R-Break Shield...lol) that's a little different from the 1/16th of an inch pad on the regular Revo shaft.
Of course they do...

poolhustler
10-11-2017, 12:02 PM
Admittedly I haven't playing much at all lately, but I was using my Revo playing cue to break with also and loved it. More the reason why I wanted to try out the BK Rush.....

Straightpool_99
10-11-2017, 05:15 PM
IMHO, nobody needs a break cue that costs in the hundreds of dollars unless you are playing pool for a living.

I see the PROS using these high-dollar break cues and they aren't making any more balls than SVB does when he uses his normal Cuetec playing cue to break.

I see people in the leagues over here that can't run three balls in a row if their lives depended on it and they use $500 Predator break cues to hit the balls at 9 MPH.

All you need is a good solid cue with a good tip that you can cue accurately with at higher than normal stroke speeds. It doesn't have to be made ESPECIALLY for breaking...that is a gimmick, if you ask me.

FWIW, I prefer to use my playing cue to break with.

Bought a cheap jump/break from billiards warehouse (their own brand) and I love it. It's stiff, breaks hard and jumps well. Hard to justify buying a better cue, if one exists. After all, I don't make my living playing pool, thank God.

I'm a straight pooler, I don't much care for Rotation pool or even 8 ball and I work less on my break than those who specialize in those games. That being said, most people probably should work more on their break, including me. I just don't care enough about 9/10 ball to do it.

I think the break is a fairly interesting thing to study, though. Most people who obsess about their break power IMO break about 10-20 and even 30% harder than they should. They jump off the table, scratch and lose control of the white ball maybe 1 in 3 racks, 1 in 4, 1 in 5...To me that is unacceptable. It may be that my straight pool obsession is clouding my opinion here, but I'm just not comfortable leaving the most important shot in the game to chance like that. I'd rather treat it like a straight pool break shot and leave as little to chance as possible. Mike Sigel said to always start at 70% of your maximum capability and gradually increase the power. Hard to disagree with him on pool matters, but frankly, I'd rather stay at 70 and just NEVER scratch. Most people have NO idea how much those scratches are costing them. Instead they think about the 2 times a year they make 3 balls on every break in a race to 10, forgetting all the other times where they scratched twice in the same length race...They shouldn't buy "power cues" they should buy "no scratch" cues, lol.

poolhustler
10-11-2017, 07:01 PM
IMHO, nobody needs a break cue that costs in the hundreds of dollars unless you are playing pool for a living.

ya.... by that logic, no one needs a Lambo, Ferrari, Corvette, Maserati, Pagani, etc.. unless they are professionals race car drivers. Yet, there are thousands of people that own these cars!! LOL

pinkspider
10-11-2017, 07:07 PM
IMHO, nobody needs a break cue that costs in the hundreds of dollars unless you are playing pool for a living.

That's true none of us needs any of these expensive customs, Revos, Becues, etc, regardless of whether we're playing for a living or not. Matter of suitability and whether they meet requirements. Pretty sure most of us are in the 'want' category...

I see the PROS using these high-dollar break cues and they aren't making any more balls than SVB does when he uses his normal Cuetec playing cue to break.

SVB is an outlier and rare talent when it comes to breaking so I'm not sure if there are many pros who can do what he does. Regardless, it's realistic to break with your play cue. But I believe for some it's a matter of preserving the tip of their play cue, especially those who use soft tips and shape them really round. You wouldn't want to harden the tip prematurely or have to constantly reshape it throughout a game.

But yes i agree wholeheartedly, high dollar break cues don't mean jack shit if you don't have the technique. i can personally attest to that haha

All you need is a good solid cue with a good tip that you can cue accurately with at higher than normal stroke speeds.

that sounds just like the premise for the bk (or bk marketing depending on how u see it) lol


I think the break is a fairly interesting thing to study, though. Most people who obsess about their break power IMO break about 10-20 and even 30% harder than they should. They jump off the table, scratch and lose control of the white ball maybe 1 in 3 racks, 1 in 4, 1 in 5...To me that is unacceptable. It may be that my straight pool obsession is clouding my opinion here, but I'm just not comfortable leaving the most important shot in the game to chance like that. I'd rather treat it like a straight pool break shot and leave as little to chance as possible. Mike Sigel said to always start at 70% of your maximum capability and gradually increase the power. Hard to disagree with him on pool matters, but frankly, I'd rather stay at 70 and just NEVER scratch. Most people have NO idea how much those scratches are costing them. Instead they think about the 2 times a year they make 3 balls on every break in a race to 10, forgetting all the other times where they scratched twice in the same length race...They shouldn't buy "power cues" they should buy "no scratch" cues, lol.

Agreed about control, that's why the Europeans were so dominant in the Mosconi Cup.

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing, but the power break is definitely dead in today's game. Even Jeff De Luna does a controlled break these days. The best breakers like SVB and Ko Pin Yi have efficient, clean, and consistent strokes rather than power.

I'm not sure what's the sentiment among the pool playing community regarding power though. Maybe it's just a feelgood thing or ego trip to be able to break really hard.

JoeyA
10-11-2017, 09:02 PM
I broke several racks with the BK- Rush. The first couple of breaks I was wild as could be. Cue ball was flying wherever it wanted to, at least at first. When I toned down the speed of my break, the cue ball seemed to squat pretty good and balls were moving all over the table, every now and then one or two would drop.
Overall, I liked the cue but would have to break with it a couple of dozen times to maximize its potential and get dialed into its properties.

I would really love to know how it breaks with a TAOM tip.

JoeyA

Shannon.spronk
10-11-2017, 09:25 PM
I have a similar problem. I have a very good break and often hear players much better than me talk about my break. Then they watch me dog the first ball and all the talk stops.

Funny story.....

I started playing again a few months ago after not playing for over a decade. Never owned a break cue besides a sneaky pete. I got a Mezz Kai with H-shaft and I can't believe I ever played without one.

That's great and all except for the fact that I never get to use it because losers rack while winners break, and I lose a lot....

So now my break is devastating and scares guys into not giving me as much weight as I really need..... I can barely run 4-5 balls.

I don't think the difference once you go into these break cues is enough to buy new ones, but that's just me. There is a physics limitation to the equipment and once you hit it it becomes about the technique. I don't mind anyone spending there money anyway they want if they can, I'm just saying a lot of it is marketing once you reach a certain level.

HawaiianEye
10-11-2017, 10:12 PM
I have a very good break and often hear players much better than me talk about my break.

I was playing C.J. Wiley a couple months ago and he was commenting on how good I broke. I was using a Players Sneaky Pete that probably cost less than $20 to make. I got it for nothing.

https://www.ozonebilliards.com/product/players-cue-sneaky-pete-rosewood-spspr

shapelessin206
10-11-2017, 10:44 PM
I see people in the leagues over here that can't run three balls in a row if their lives depended on it and they use $500 Predator break cues to hit the balls at 9 MPH.

Seriously laughed out loud when I read this. :lol: