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DrCue'sProtege
08-17-2017, 06:34 PM
I've started playing again the last few weeks. Didn't hit them around for about six months but now sort of getting the fever again.

As many on here will recall over the years I have a terrible time getting a ball down on my Gold Crown IV. It must be an extremely stingy table. I am just wondering if its time to switch from the GCIV to a Diamond Professional, or a Diamond ProAm, perhaps?

Anybody have any experience in playing with these tables? Does the GCIV have a reputation of being stingy?

I am sort of at my wits end here. I bet I broke about 30-35 racks tonight and only had one, maybe two, chances to run out.

r/DCP

MitchAlsup
08-17-2017, 06:44 PM
Generally, if you practice on a stingy table, and figure out how accurate you need to be,
then when you play on an easier table, you will pot EVERYTHING.

DrCue'sProtege
08-17-2017, 06:54 PM
Generally, if you practice on a stingy table, and figure out how accurate you need to be,
then when you play on an easier table, you will pot EVERYTHING.

I guess you didn't read the thread. I am talking about getting a ball down off the break.

GoldCrown
08-17-2017, 06:57 PM
Save your money and work on break technique.

Black-Balled
08-17-2017, 07:14 PM
I don't think a diamond is a good choice for you, mostly because you already own the gc4.

Do you use a racking template?

Poolhall60561
08-17-2017, 07:27 PM
It's not the table

DrCue'sProtege
08-17-2017, 07:32 PM
I don't think a diamond is a good choice for you, mostly because you already own the gc4.

Do you use a racking template?

Yes, I use the, whats the name of it? Its not the Magic Rack, its the other template. I don't have a problem spreading the balls, I have a problem getting a ball down. And usually when I do I have an impossible shot or spread.

r/DCP

p.s. Its the Accu-Rack

Cuebuddy
08-17-2017, 07:35 PM
If the GC4 is original and unaltered(kinda means the same thing)then I don't think you will like the Diamond much better. I play on a Gold Crown that was set up by the same guy who set up my Diamond and the Diamond is tougher. On the Gold Crown I play like God but on the Diamond I use God in many of my sentences:embarrassed2:.

cardiac kid
08-17-2017, 07:43 PM
DCP,

It's not the table. Move the cue ball. Change the angle of your break. Move the cue ball forward and back closer to the rail. Try a heavier break cue. Try a lighter break cue. Anything but changing tables. Don't remember what type of cloth you are using but if it's too nappy, may be part of the problem. Whats the humidity like in your room. What type of pool balls are you using? Watch some "pros" break on nine footers. Find one who you can emulate. Practice, practice, practice. Wish I had your problem. Never had a pool table in my home.

Lyn

DrCue'sProtege
08-17-2017, 07:50 PM
DCP,

It's not the table. Move the cue ball. Change the angle of your break. Move the cue ball forward and back closer to the rail. Try a heavier break cue. Try a lighter break cue. Anything but changing tables. Don't remember what type of cloth you are using but if it's too nappy, may be part of the problem. Whats the humidity like in your room. What type of pool balls are you using? Watch some "pros" break on nine footers. Find one who you can emulate. Practice, practice, practice. Wish I had your problem. Never had a pool table in my home.

Lyn

Done all of this stuff and more a million times over the years.

PhilosopherKing
08-17-2017, 07:57 PM
Play straight pool.

I have to assume you're playing 8-ball.

If you're playing 9-ball, note where the wingballs are hitting, and adjust the placement of the template accordingly.

GoldCrown
08-17-2017, 07:57 PM
Done all of this stuff and more a million times over the years.

Work with a pro or instructor. It's not the table or the cue.

iusedtoberich
08-17-2017, 07:58 PM
Go for the Diamond, why not? This table has been bad luck for you for 10 years. Time to change it up. Get brand new balls too, so there is nothing old on the new surface.

strmanglr scott
08-17-2017, 08:23 PM
Yep, you should just go ahead and dump that gc4 in my garage, I'll take care of it: ).

On the back of every ob is an imprint of the pocket.

garczar
08-18-2017, 04:57 AM
I'll gladly give you $500 for it. I'll even come get it. ;)

JMD in VA
08-18-2017, 08:21 AM
Done all of this stuff and more a million times over the years.

I agree with the Cardiac Kid on his points here. If the room temp fluctuates, has moisture in it one day and dry the next, there is no way to get a consistent break to work.

Also, try changing the speed of your break; up and down. I remember an old Accu-Stat where the tables (GC's) were playing tight when Earl was hitting the break warp speed. Playing 9 Ball, the wing ball would always hit high. Efren was hitting the break at about 80% of what he could break the balls at and was making the wing ball more frequently.

Your only other solution.....Start playing One Pocket! :)

cardiac kid
08-18-2017, 08:50 AM
Also, try changing the speed of your break; up and down.

Thanks JMD, forgot to mention that. If the OP thinks it is diffficult to make a ball on the break with a template, wait till they try without the template! Talk about a crap shoot! Different racks. Sometimes on every table in a tournament. Ouch!

Lyn

Johnny Rosato
08-18-2017, 08:58 AM
I guess you didn't read the thread. I am talking about getting a ball down off the break.
Well start playing 1 hole and skrate pool !!! lol

Black-Balled
08-18-2017, 09:02 AM
You can also move the rack around a bit...it does not have to be on the center of the spot.

hang-the-9
08-18-2017, 09:02 AM
I've started playing again the last few weeks. Didn't hit them around for about six months but now sort of getting the fever again.

As many on here will recall over the years I have a terrible time getting a ball down on my Gold Crown IV. It must be an extremely stingy table. I am just wondering if its time to switch from the GCIV to a Diamond Professional, or a Diamond ProAm, perhaps?

Anybody have any experience in playing with these tables? Does the GCIV have a reputation of being stingy?

I am sort of at my wits end here. I bet I broke about 30-35 racks tonight and only had one, maybe two, chances to run out.

r/DCP

Old rails and slow cloth?

GC pockets if not modified are easier to make a ball in than Diamond pockets, larger pockets, shallower shelf. If you can't make a ball on the GC, you really won't make a ball on the Diamond.

DrCue'sProtege
08-18-2017, 11:09 AM
FWIW,
My GCIV had new rails put on about a year ago and the pockets then made 4.5 inches. Plus its got Simonis 860 on it.

This has been an age old problem ever since I got the GCIV.

r/DCP

realkingcobra
08-18-2017, 12:46 PM
FWIW,
My GCIV had new rails put on about a year ago and the pockets then made 4.5 inches. Plus its got Simonis 860 on it.

This has been an age old problem ever since I got the GCIV.

r/DCP

Well, that all depends on who worked on the table too as to how it plays.

hang-the-9
08-18-2017, 01:03 PM
Maybe the table was cursed. Find a local witch doctor and do a cleansing.

Funny thing about things being cursed, in an online game I played that was one of the first ones there was a specific character that got famous. He always said that whenever he would be in a group, the monsters would pick to attack him. He also would have very bad luck with finding equipment. Seemed like just random stuff and he was overreacting. But he got famous over being unlucky. Fast forward several years and one of the developers found that when he character was created, the data files for him were setup in such a way that the number generator for attacks and loot rolls would act differently for his character than others, so his "bad luck" was very real and programmed in to the game LOL!

So the table being cursed for you may be a real thing, who knows. Holy water maybe if not a witch doctor. Do others have issues making balls on the table?

pinoyincalgary
08-19-2017, 12:00 PM
On the Gold Crown I play like God but on the Diamond I use God in many of my sentences:embarrassed2:.[/QUOTE]

Lol. Funniest pool quote I heard in the longest time. Almost spat my morning beverage from laughing.

DrCue'sProtege
08-20-2017, 07:26 PM
I think from now on out I am doing to just quit breaking. Roll about seven balls out on the table and take CB in hand and go from there. I just have such horrible luck on the break with the rolls, spreads, etc, that after about 14 years of beating my head against the wall I am starting to get a headache.

r/DCP

iusedtoberich
08-20-2017, 07:54 PM
I think from now on out I am doing to just quit breaking. Roll about seven balls out on the table and take CB in hand and go from there. I just have such horrible luck on the break with the rolls, spreads, etc, that after about 14 years of beating my head against the wall I am starting to get a headache.

r/DCP

Can you run out with BIH this way rolling out 7 balls more times than not? If the answer is no, the break does not even matter.

SJDinPHX
08-20-2017, 08:10 PM
I think from now on out I am doing to just quit breaking. Roll about seven balls out on the table and take CB in hand and go from there. I just have such horrible luck on the break with the rolls, spreads, etc, that after about 14 years of beating my head against the wall I am starting to get a headache.

r/DCP

You already own one of the best, most popular tables ever made! Stop making excuses for your poor play..Some of the best pool in history, has been played on a GC1V!..(see Efren, Alex, and many others)..Get a good mechanic to tweak it where its needed, and stop blaming the table for your shortcomings! ..If you can't play on a GC lV..face it, you can't play! :cool:

SJDinPHX
08-20-2017, 08:24 PM
I think from now on out I am doing to just quit breaking. Roll about seven balls out on the table and take CB in hand and go from there. I just have such horrible luck on the break with the rolls, spreads, etc, that after about 14 years of beating my head against the wall I am starting to get a headache.

r/DCP

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SJDinPHX
08-20-2017, 08:26 PM
I think from now on out I am doing to just quit breaking. Roll about seven balls out on the table and take CB in hand and go from there. I just have such horrible luck on the break with the rolls, spreads, etc, that after about 14 years of beating my head against the wall I am starting to get a headache.

r/DCP

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fastone371
08-21-2017, 01:20 PM
I have a GCI with Simonis, 4 1/2" pockets, 3 different almost new ball sets, and a Delta Elite rack. Up until recently I did not have problems making a ball on 8 ball racks. Suddenly I could go 10 or more breaks without dropping one and the spreads were crappy too. I started using my Outsville template and I get 1-3 balls in every break with mostly beautiful layouts. Not sure if its the weather, I think it is but my cloth is pretty worn too.

PhilosopherKing
08-21-2017, 01:29 PM
Sounds like you're playing 9-ball:

Why seven balls. It's nuts to think you're entitled to 2 balls on every break.

If it is really the table, break and play position on the one. The runouts will mean more.

KMRUNOUT
08-21-2017, 01:54 PM
I guess you didn't read the thread. I am talking about getting a ball down off the break.



Perhaps if you had mentioned the break in your initial post that would have been more understandable.

KMRUNOUT


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Bob 14:1
08-21-2017, 04:36 PM
Geezus, he's back! :boring::smash:

Perhaps a new cue, table lighting or cloth color might solve things. :shrug: That's a real conundrum... :scratchhead:

Prairie dog
08-21-2017, 04:48 PM
I've started playing again the last few weeks. Didn't hit them around for about six months but now sort of getting the fever again.

As many on here will recall over the years I have a terrible time getting a ball down on my Gold Crown IV. It must be an extremely stingy table. I am just wondering if its time to switch from the GCIV to a Diamond Professional, or a Diamond ProAm, perhaps?

Anybody have any experience in playing with these tables? Does the GCIV have a reputation of being stingy?

I am sort of at my wits end here. I bet I broke about 30-35 racks tonight and only had one, maybe two, chances to run out.

r/DCP

I had trouble on my new table making one of the wing balls on a 9 ball template. My teacher looked at it and in one minute said just to move the CB over one ball width toward the side rail (off of one diamond) and use low English with a little more angle on the one ball. The CB will hit near the side pocket and over to the other side pocket and just perfect for the one ball! It works almost every time! My point is; have you had a quality teacher come over? As my cloth and everything wears, I'm sure the sure cure will be other CB breaks. He'll tell me which.

Bob 14:1
08-21-2017, 05:22 PM
P.S. Your pockets are 4.25" This from 6/3/16. Try golf or croquet, please!!!

I am at my wits end. No progress at all. Nearly 18 years ago I picked up this hobby and have gotten a little better but that's it. I cant runout for sh~t anymore. And my Gold Crown IV, now with the 4.25 inch pockets, is even stingier than ever off the break. I broke 44 times this afternoon and evening and had one good chance to runout and one decent chance to runout. 2 out of 42. The other 42 times were hopeless for anybody. And I hosed up both chances I had.

Maybe I should just sell everything and give up. The way things are right now that sounds like a good idea. I am just beating my head against the wall right now.

r/Mike

Black-Balled
08-21-2017, 08:26 PM
What's wrong with taking bih after the break?

The game ain't all gimmees from there anyway.

Jerry Forsyth
08-22-2017, 04:10 AM
Don't sell that GC! We have requested a press release from an excellent table mechanic who makes new rail sets for the Gold Crown. We hope to have it on the front page in the next few days.

I imagine that this man can make you rails that have pockets of whatever size and facing angle you desire.

If you cannot wait for the release, just write him at: jerimychambers@yahoo.com

Icon of Sin
08-22-2017, 04:35 AM
I think from now on out I am doing to just quit breaking. Roll about seven balls out on the table and take CB in hand and go from there. I just have such horrible luck on the break with the rolls, spreads, etc, that after about 14 years of beating my head against the wall I am starting to get a headache.

r/DCP

Consider you dont play competitively at all or anywhere else for that matter... I think this is the best course of action for yourself and the forum.