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justinb386
10-16-2017, 04:17 PM
I hope this is not a bad question to ask.

Are his cues in the same league as Diveney for example?

I am looking a a really nice Sumrall cue, but I can't find any values of his cues on the 2nd hand market .

I understand that I will not know if I will like a cue until I have tried one out.

I just do not want to get stuck with a cue if for some reason I do not like it, and then have to take a loss in order to resell it.

You may send me a pm if you want to.

I just do not know how his cues compare (when it comes to demand on the 2nd hand market) to other cues out there .

When it comes to needing to resell a cue on the 2nd hand market, would I be much better off with a high in demand cue like a Schon for example ?

Thanks for any honest opinions about this, and you may pm me if you think your reply should not be public.

billiardthought
10-16-2017, 06:21 PM
Stop the bleeding

gutshot
10-16-2017, 06:31 PM
You don't really see many of his cues around. If you search AZ there are several threads about his cues. As far resale, you are better off finding one of his cue that fits your eye and get it as cheap as you can b/c other than a select few top tier makers, you'll likely lose money on it.

cueaddicts
10-16-2017, 06:31 PM
Maybe you should take a 5 year break, learn something about cues, and then come back here....just a thought

justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:01 PM
Maybe you should take a 5 year break, learn something about cues, and then come back here....just a thought

Learn enough about cues, so that I am not the one who is always asking the questions, and maybe then I might know enough to help others with their questions?

But if everyone knew everything (about cues, in this case), and had no questions, then there would be no need for the forum. They could just log into facebook, and post their thoughts on there.

JoeyInCali
10-16-2017, 07:06 PM
http://forums.azbilliards.com/threadloom.php?do=process

There ya go since you're too lazy to hit the search.

justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:13 PM
You don't really see many of his cues around. If you search AZ there are several threads about his cues. As far resale, you are better off finding one of his cue that fits your eye and get it as cheap as you can b/c other than a select few top tier makers, you'll likely lose money on it.

Thanks for your reply. I understand. I just wish I knew the prices that some of his cues sold for in the past. Sellers always delete their asking prices after a cue sells. I always liked that on ebay, I could search to see how much a certain cue sold for in the past (like a Meucci Gambler for example), to get an idea of its value. With some cues, I really have no idea, and it is hard to look up values.

Johnnybgood
10-16-2017, 07:13 PM
Wow! You guys are ruthless! Seemed a pretty simple question.

Justin, I have never heard of his cues personally. Wish I had more information for you.


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justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:15 PM
http://forums.azbilliards.com/threadloom.php?do=process

There ya go since you're too lazy to hit the search.

Lol, thanks. I wish I would have thought of that. I never knew that this forum had a search function. Stupid me.

justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:18 PM
Wow! You guys are ruthless! Seemed a pretty simple question.

Justin, I have never heard of his cues personally. Wish I had more information for you.


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Thanks. Maybe I (subconsciously) just like to annoy them with stupid question.

Johnnybgood
10-16-2017, 07:23 PM
It would be easier for them not to respond at all if they find it annoying so they must get some kind of pleasure from it.


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FuManchu
10-16-2017, 07:34 PM
http://bfy.tw/EVk5

justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:43 PM
It would be easier for them not to respond at all if they find it annoying so they must get some kind of pleasure from it.


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Lol, yeah, forums are where vicious people like to hang out though. If they see a thread where they can reply with some sort of nasty, or smart ass remark, then they are going to reply with what ever thoughts they have on that thread. That is just the way most forums are. Thanks for the nice replies though.

gogg
10-16-2017, 07:44 PM
Great cues.... I have never seen one on the second hand market.
I bought an ebony into maple sneaky, & I wouldn't part with it.
He is a pretty cool guy as well ( just so ya know)
Not really an answer as far as "flipping " goes, but a chance to give a plug for a cuemaker who is a stand-up guy...��

justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:45 PM
http://bfy.tw/EVk5

Lol, how did you do that?

Johnnybgood
10-16-2017, 07:45 PM
Hahaha! Pretty damn funny. I didn’t know about the “pay it forward” thread.

Justin, your on your own brother.

SHAME ON YOU!


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justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:48 PM
Great cues.... I have never seen one on the second hand market.
I bought an ebony into apple sneaky, & I wouldn't part with it.
He is a pretty cool guy as well ( just so ya know)
Not really an answer as far as "flipping " goes, but a chance to give a plug for a cuemaker who is a stand-up guy...��

Thanks for your reply. They must be great cues if they are rarely ever for sale on the 2nd hand market. Kind of the same reason why "Mike Durbin" cues are so rarely for sale on the 2nd hand market (because people who buy them, never want to part with them). Makes sense.

justinb386
10-16-2017, 07:53 PM
Hahaha! Pretty damn funny. I didn’t know about the “pay it forward” thread.

Justin, your on your own brother.

SHAME ON YOU!


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Yeah, shame on me for selling a cue I paid $50 for. It is the worst thing anyone has ever done on this forum, right? I am the worst forum member ever, right? Shame on me. I should have stones thrown at me (every day), for the rest of my life.

cubswin
10-16-2017, 07:56 PM
It would be easier for them not to respond at all if they find it annoying so they must get some kind of pleasure from it.


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Maybe they respond to help others not named Justin who asks a new cue question weekly, gets pointed to good cues, and never takes the advice?

Johnnybgood
10-16-2017, 07:58 PM
You should have your balls removed with a dull spoon. Pay it forward means just that. It’s called integrity. In my opinion you owe the seller of such cue and the buyer an apology.


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Johnny Rosato
10-16-2017, 08:05 PM
lol, how did you do that?
bwaahahahahahwooooooohoooo

justinb386
10-16-2017, 08:07 PM
You should have your balls removed with a dull spoon. Pay it forward means just that. It’s called integrity. In my opinion you owe the seller of such cue and the buyer an apology.


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I did apologize to the seller (years ago), when he sent me a PM, to ask me about the cue, and explained my reason for selling it. If he had an issue with me, then he would have replied back to let me know any bad feelings he had, or he would have made his feelings public years ago.

The truth is that I got desperate for money, and sold the cue, and yes, I wrote a long apology to him in a reply. That is worthless though, right? Meaningless, right?

This was like 5 years ago, and people still remember it like it was just yesterday.

gregnice37
10-16-2017, 08:28 PM
Justin, i can only assume its a cue someone offered you on Facebook for the $300 you said you had. You have to eventually figure out for 300 you arent going to sell a cue for 500 the week after you decide you dont like it.

Johnnybgood
10-16-2017, 08:35 PM
I did apologize to the seller (years ago), when he sent me a PM, to ask me about the cue, and explained my reason for selling it. If he had an issue with me, then he would have replied back to let me know any bad feelings he had, or he would have made his feelings public years ago.

The truth is that I got desperate for money, and sold the cue, and yes, I wrote a long apology to him in a reply. That is worthless though, right? Meaningless, right?

This was like 5 years ago, and people still remember it like it was just yesterday.



Ok humble enough. I am certainly not going to judge your finical situation. I think under those conditions you should have contacted the original buyer before listing it and let him know what the situation was. If he passed then that would have been on him. Since stipulated to pay it forward then I am sure he felt he was doing you a favor and being a nice guy trying to help you out. You used his generosity to generate a profit. No matter what your situation you did the wrong thing under the circumstances.


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justinb386
10-16-2017, 09:57 PM
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justinb386
10-16-2017, 10:00 PM
Justin, i can only assume its a cue someone offered you on Facebook for the $300 you said you had. You have to eventually figure out for 300 you arent going to sell a cue for 500 the week after you decide you dont like it.

I understand that, but it would be nice if I could know that I could easily be able to get that $300 back out of the cue (without losing any money), if I ever needed to resell it (even if I really loved it, and wanted to hold on to it forever). With customs (that may not be widely well known), that is not the case.

PhilosopherKing
10-17-2017, 12:49 AM
should have bought the wes hunter with the burl handle that just sold on ebay for like $550.

free $200 on the flip, and if you don't like it, you know it's not the cue.

sammylane12
10-17-2017, 03:27 AM
Maybe you should take a 5 year break, learn something about cues, and then come back here....just a thought

Or you could stop being an asshole.....just a thought

mikemosconi
10-17-2017, 07:28 AM
MY experience in buying and selling some cues over the past 20 years is that for the average person with average cue knowledge on markets etc. - there are no guarantees on resale value of a cue. Asking prices are all over the place for two identical used cues on many sites. I have doubled my money on cue resales and lost money on cue resales with no real rhyme or reason - it depends on current financial conditions, current collector interest, recent posts (good or bad ) on a cuemaker, and sometimes the guy who may come out of nowhere and pay top dollar because he has to have a particular cue for one reason or another. If this is purely a playing cue- you must try it before buying it and be resolved that it is NOT an investment, it is a playing instrument. Once in a while a highly knowledegable cue person may find a deal that he knows is a real money maker, usually because the seller does not know the market at all or the seller is in need of $$$ fast. Just my experience.

alstl
10-17-2017, 07:46 AM
I hope this is not a bad question to ask.

Are his cues in the same league as Diveney for example?

I am looking a a really nice Sumrall cue, but I can't find any values of his cues on the 2nd hand market .

I understand that I will not know if I will like a cue until I have tried one out.

I just do not want to get stuck with a cue if for some reason I do not like it, and then have to take a loss in order to resell it.

You may send me a pm if you want to.

I just do not know how his cues compare (when it comes to demand on the 2nd hand market) to other cues out there .

When it comes to needing to resell a cue on the 2nd hand market, would I be much better off with a high in demand cue like a Schon for example ?

Thanks for any honest opinions about this, and you may pm me if you think your reply should not be public.

I don't follow every post you make but it seems you are frequently asking about cues as if you are in pursuit of a cue to play with. It also seems this has been occurring over a significant period of time.

What exactly is your situation? Are you flipping cues or constantly buying playing cues which you then sell because you don't like them for whatever reason?

I'm not giving you a hard time just trying to comprehend.

Moet.1977
10-17-2017, 08:07 AM
Lol, thanks. I wish I would have thought of that. I never knew that this forum had a search function. Stupid me.

Justin I can't believe u started another thread about a cue, I mean really.

Are.u really this bored and just don't have shit to do?
I know u start these threads just so u can interact with people, everyone
On here knows u know how to use the dam search button.

Or maybe u just so lonely that you'll take any interaction with people
even if it's negative feedback that u know ur going to receive.

It's getting old , tis game u like playing.
You been buying and selling cues since the mid 90's.

Some of us who been here for years know exactly what
ur doing.

fastone371
10-17-2017, 08:20 AM
I hope this is not a bad question to ask.

Are his cues in the same league as Diveney for example?

I am looking a a really nice Sumrall cue, but I can't find any values of his cues on the 2nd hand market .

I understand that I will not know if I will like a cue until I have tried one out.

I just do not want to get stuck with a cue if for some reason I do not like it, and then have to take a loss in order to resell it.

You may send me a pm if you want to.

I just do not know how his cues compare (when it comes to demand on the 2nd hand market) to other cues out there .

When it comes to needing to resell a cue on the 2nd hand market, would I be much better off with a high in demand cue like a Schon for example ?

Thanks for any honest opinions about this, and you may pm me if you think your reply should not be public.

The best advice I can give you is do not buy a cue that you have not tried out first. Save your money and when you find the cue that you really like buy it and keep it. No matter what you do if you keep buying cues with the hope of selling them again if you are not happy with them you are running a very real risk of losing money on every transaction. Unless you are buying high end cues at the right price everything else is pretty much a crap shoot. If you are looking at cues in the $300.00 price range most guys probably look at this as pocket change, it should be pretty easy to unload it for around the same price but you could easily take a $50.00 hit or you could even make a quick $100.00, it really depends on whether or not you are willing to gamble on it. You can get as many value estimates as you want, you find out exactly what its worth the second money changes hands, everything up to that point is a guess.

mjkeil62
10-17-2017, 11:36 AM
MY experience in buying and selling some cues over the past 20 years is that for the average person with average cue knowledge on markets etc. - there are no guarantees on resale value of a cue. Asking prices are all over the place for two identical used cues on many sites. I have doubled my money on cue resales and lost money on cue resales with no real rhyme or reason - it depends on current financial conditions, current collector interest, recent posts (good or bad ) on a cuemaker, and sometimes the guy who may come out of nowhere and pay top dollar because he has to have a particular cue for one reason or another. If this is purely a playing cue- you must try it before buying it and be resolved that it is NOT an investment, it is a playing instrument. Once in a while a highly knowledegable cue person may find a deal that he knows is a real money maker, usually because the seller does not know the market at all or the seller is in need of $$$ fast. Just my experience.

Perfect explanation.

JoeyInCali
10-17-2017, 11:51 AM
Justin I can't believe u started another thread about a cue, I mean really.

Are.u really this bored and just don't have shit to do?
I know u start these threads just so u can interact with people, everyone
On here knows u know how to use the dam search button.

Or maybe u just so lonely that you'll take any interaction with people
even if it's negative feedback that u know ur going to receive.

It's getting old , tis game u like playing.
You been buying and selling cues since the mid 90's.

Some of us who been here for years know exactly what
ur doing.
You can't believe what ? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijwGoDlH9w4

Stones
10-18-2017, 10:33 AM
I've had a Summerall cue, 4 prong ebony/curly maple, for 10+ years now. I had Paul make me two more shafts for it about 6 months after I bought it.

It's my daily player and not for sale.

It plays better than I do! LOL



Stones

justinb386
10-18-2017, 10:39 PM
Justin I can't believe u started another thread about a cue, I mean really.

Are.u really this bored and just don't have shit to do?
I know u start these threads just so u can interact with people, everyone
On here knows u know how to use the dam search button.

Or maybe u just so lonely that you'll take any interaction with people
even if it's negative feedback that u know ur going to receive.

It's getting old , tis game u like playing.
You been buying and selling cues since the mid 90's.

Some of us who been here for years know exactly what
ur doing.

I swear, next time I find a cue that a really love, I will hold onto it forever. It is just way too difficult to find a cue that you really love. There have been very few cues that I was really crazy about (that I had) over the last twenty something years. I understand now that the price of a cue means nothing. A player could quite possibly fall in love with a cue that only retails for $50. I once purchased the most amazing looking Espiritu cue that I have ever seen (I wish I still had pictures of that cue, just to show how nice it was), and I did not care for it at all. It hit okay, but it did not hit nearly as good as it looked, in my opinion. So, looks mean nothing when it comes to the way a cue feels, and plays. It is just so rare to find the perfect cue, that you love (so much, that you just want to play all day, and all night with it). That is just me though. Many players will say that they can play just as good with just about anything out there, and I understand that is true. I guess that if a cue is decent quality, solid, and gives decent feedback, then a player can learn to get used to anything, and play great with it. Have you ever picked up a cue that you never held before, and just felt like a completely new player (with more confidence then you ever had before with any other cue)? Does that sound like nothing but a fantasy? I have felt that way about a few cues that I had in the past, but it has been really rare, and I so regret ever letting go of the ones that I really loved that much. This Sumrall cue that I was offered really looks amazing (Ebony sneaky style cue, into some amazing looking BEM, with an Ivory joint). As good as it looks, I still do not know that I am going to love it. So, that is why I asked about the demand of his cues. It is basically just a really super nice looking sneaky (with an Ivory joint), after all, so I honestly do not know what they are worth. The seller told me it was $800 new. I do not know though.

By the way, you and all others may believe what ever you want, but I have never purchased a cue with the intention of flipping it. Laptops(?), yes, cues(?), no.

lorider
10-18-2017, 11:19 PM
I swear, next time I find a cue that a really love, I will hold onto it forever. It is just way too difficult to find a cue that you really love. There have been very few cues that I was really crazy about (that I had) over the last twenty something years. I understand now that the price of a cue means nothing. A player could quite possibly fall in love with a cue that only retails for $50. I once purchased the most amazing looking Espiritu cue that I have ever seen (I wish I still had pictures of that cue, just to show how nice it was), and I did not care for it at all. It hit okay, but it did not hit nearly as good as it looked, in my opinion. So, looks mean nothing when it comes to the way a cue feels, and plays. It is just so rare to find the perfect cue, that you love (so much, that you just want to play all day, and all night with it). That is just me though. Many players will say that they can play just as good with just about anything out there, and I understand that is true. I guess that if a cue is decent quality, solid, and gives decent feedback, then a player can learn to get used to anything, and play great with it. Have you ever picked up a cue that you never held before, and just felt like a completely new player (with more confidence then you ever had before with any other cue)? Does that sound like nothing but a fantasy? I have felt that way about a few cues that I had in the past, but it has been really rare, and I so regret ever letting go of the ones that I really loved that much. This Sumrall cue that I was offered really looks amazing (Ebony sneaky style cue, into some amazing looking BEM, with an Ivory joint). As good as it looks, I still do not know that I am going to love it. So, that is why I asked about the demand of his cues. It is basically just a really super nice looking sneaky (with an Ivory joint), after all, so I honestly do not know what they are worth. The seller told me it was $800 new. I do not know though.

By the way, you and all others may believe what ever you want, but I have never purchased a cue with the intention of flipping it. Laptops(?), yes, cues(?), no.

Your post reminds me.browsing for cues years ago.....probably bout 12-15 years or so .

This is gonna be one of those....wish I knew then what I know now posts lol
.
I had been a bar banger all.my life and had been joined a bcapl league. I had always played off the wall but every one in league had a cue so i figured...why not me ?

So I am browsing the store taking cues out of the racks and checking them out. Cues ranging from 100.0\ to 4,000.00 or so. Now remember I am a complete mewb and had never heard of some of the brands I was looking at..

I picked up a cue and it just seemed like it was perfect. I really can't describe what it felt like . I ran my up and down the shaft and fellas I am telling you it was the smoothest shaft I have ever felt. Again the cue just seemed perfect....nothing on the store felt as good as that cue and I must have picked up 30 or so cues. I have probably handled a couple of hundred cues since then and none have ever felt as good in my hands as that cue did.

Although I had the money to buy it I just couldn't see paying 3,000.00 for a cue fo shoot league with so I settled on a 500.00 Viking which has always been my favorite cue although I have purchased around 20 since then. A shame it got broken by some one....not me lol.

Oh yea ...the name of the cue I passed up. Szamboti. However its just as we I did not buy it because I would have probably sold it when my business went under.


There is a magic cue out there some where with your name on it Justin but it aint gonna be a 200.00.cue like you been looking for.

justinb386
10-19-2017, 12:09 AM
Your post reminds me.browsing for cues years ago.....probably bout 12-15 years or so .

This is gonna be one of those....wish I knew then what I know now posts lol
.
I had been a bar banger all.my life and had been joined a bcapl league. I had always played off the wall but every one in league had a cue so i figured...why not me ?

So I am browsing the store taking cues out of the racks and checking them out. Cues ranging from 100.0\ to 4,000.00 or so. Now remember I am a complete mewb and had never heard of some of the brands I was looking at..

I picked up a cue and it just seemed like it was perfect. I really can't describe what it felt like . I ran my up and down the shaft and fellas I am telling you it was the smoothest shaft I have ever felt. Again the cue just seemed perfect....nothing on the store felt as good as that cue and I must have picked up 30 or so cues. I have probably handled a couple of hundred cues since then and none have ever felt as good in my hands as that cue did.

Although I had the money to buy it I just couldn't see paying 3,000.00 for a cue fo shoot league with so I settled on a 500.00 Viking which has always been my favorite cue although I have purchased around 20 since then. A shame it got broken by some one....not me lol.

Oh yea ...the name of the cue I passed up. Szamboti. However its just as we I did not buy it because I would have probably sold it when my business went under.


There is a magic cue out there some where with your name on it Justin but it aint gonna be a 200.00.cue like you been looking for.

Maybe I need to stop believing that magic is real, and just start practicing with what ever I can afford, until I get 100% confident with that cue. I just do not see it happening though. Maybe I just lost my love for the game. I do not know. When I was a kid back in the 90's, I loved to play. I dreamed about playing. I wanted to play all of the time. I had several cues during my teen years. One that I had was a nice Joss sneaky pete (awesome cue, it was). Another was a Jackson (JCC) cue. Had that cue for years. Played the best pool I ever played with that cue. Those JCC cues seem to be pretty rare. You do not see them around. I have not seen one in person since the one I had, when I was a kid. I know they changed their logo to "Jackson", but the one I had was a JCC. Was a great cue.

JoeyInCali
10-19-2017, 12:26 AM
Your post reminds me.browsing for cues years ago.....probably bout 12-15 years or so .


There is a magic cue out there some where with your name on it Justin but it aint gonna be a 200.00.cue like you been looking for.

Please.
How many times is he going to go gaga on a cue then sell it a week or two later ?

Slim Limpy
10-19-2017, 01:14 AM
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Rimfirejunkie
10-19-2017, 01:26 AM
“Have you ever picked up a cue that you never held before, and just felt like a completely new player (with more confidence then you ever had before with any other cue)? “


Yes! When I bought a sugartree. 🤘

RichSchultz
10-19-2017, 03:39 AM
“Have you ever picked up a cue that you never held before, and just felt like a completely new player (with more confidence then you ever had before with any other cue)? “


Yes! When I bought a sugartree. 🤘
Agreed! Sugartrees are the best hitting cues out there, in my opinion. I will never use another cue.

junkbond
10-24-2017, 09:31 AM
I don't know what Sumrall's cues are going for, but I have three of them that I would not consider selling. Very nice looking and great players.

Johnny Rosato
10-24-2017, 10:26 AM
I hope this is not a bad question to ask.

Are his cues in the same league as Diveney for example?

I am looking a a really nice Sumrall cue, but I can't find any values of his cues on the 2nd hand market .

I understand that I will not know if I will like a cue until I have tried one out.

I just do not want to get stuck with a cue if for some reason I do not like it, and then have to take a loss in order to resell it.

You may send me a pm if you want to.

I just do not know how his cues compare (when it comes to demand on the 2nd hand market) to other cues out there .

When it comes to needing to resell a cue on the 2nd hand market, would I be much better off with a high in demand cue like a Schon for example ?

Thanks for any honest opinions about this, and you may pm me if you think your reply should not be public.
I e-mailed my pool-playing friends and got a hit on these Paul Sumrall cues. A friend in Lubbock, Texas said he found one in a pawn shop about 6 months ago. He did not say what he paid but said it needed a tip so he had a regular old Elkmaster installed.

After playing it for about a month, he sold his Barry Dews and his Pat Diveney. Said it is the best he's ever hit with and he has hit with plenty, (60+ years of playing pool).

This is all I know about 'Paul Sumrall' cues!

DelawareDogs
10-24-2017, 10:54 AM
It's little moments like this that I wish more people would participate in the sub-area of the forums.

This isn't to bash you Justin, just saying if you posted in cue reviews or they made a new thread for "cue market" you might get better responses from people actually looking to answer your question. Hardly anyone looks there so I get why you don't.

If I posted that many threads about topics that people are blatantly telling you is a tired subject, I'd be reluctant to post another.

And yet here we are, and I have to applaud you. The number of people on AZ you just made face-palm and go headbutt their keyboard is staggering....

bravo.:thumbup2:

~Dogs -- doesn't have any information on Sumrall cues --

Quesports
10-24-2017, 01:54 PM
I am going to make one last attempt at helping Justin.
There is no way anyone on this forum can tell you which cue would be best for you. It's not possible there are to many variables. In your search: DO NOT be concerned about who made a cue. DO NOT be worried about what joint the cue has. DO NOT worry about the resale value. DO NOT worry about whether it is pretty to look at. DO NOT worry about which wood was used. NONE of these things really matter.

What matters is if it feels good in your hands. Most pool players that play for any extended amount of time and become proficient at the game will have gone through quite a few cues along the way. It is all part of the pool experience. I have owned and played with so many cues I cannot imagine how many that is. Along the way I settled on the couple I own now, one is beautiful, one is butt ugly. I enjoy each for one reason, to play pool.

Along the way I have handled and shot with many high end name brand cues that have wait lists forever. Some played great some were like broom handles to me. That is just how I felt and you need to go through the same process and not expect others to tell, or steer you into decisions.

How do you think anyone ever decided on which cue to use before the internet? Holy Cow just consider that for a minute. We bought them and used the ones our friends had, that is what you should do..... IMO!

Johnny Rosato
10-24-2017, 08:55 PM
I just reread one of your posts or comments. If it has an ivory joint, DO NOT GET IT, unless he subtract from sale price you having a SS joint installed. Come on boy, you got a hell of a head, think about what I'm saying !!!