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sjb
11-15-2006, 09:41 AM
I've read some discussion here about lawyers, but haven't seen any about KT's lawyers. Here's some info, for what it's worth:

In past litigation (and he's been involved in plenty), KT has been represented by Jenner & Block, a national law firm based in Chicago, that has over 400 lawyers. This firm has represented KT in lawsuits he's brought against the United States, the FTC, the NY State Consumer Protection Board, as well as various companies and individuals. I'm familiar with this firm, and they're not lightweights.

Based on his history of litigation, KT seems to have an affinity for making claims that he and his companies have been disparaged in various ways that damage his ability to do business.

Here's an example to think about:
About 10 years ago, KT sued an individual for allegedly libelous statements made by the individual about KT in a book and on a website. KT obtained a default judgment (I haven't looked up the details, but typically, a default is entered when the defendant fails to respond to the complaint). Following an evidentiary hearing, KT was awarded a judgment of $5 million in compensatory damages and $5 million in punitive damages. Here's the ironic kicker -- the individual then filed bankruptcy and tried to discharge the judgment debt. The court ruled that the debt was not dischargable because the underlying act was "a willful or malicious injury."

Just a word to the wise: be careful, and know your foe.

ioCross
11-15-2006, 09:50 AM
i'd be wary of locking horns with KT and crew. he makes the dirtiest lowdown 2bit pool hustling degenerate look like a patron saint.

he does have some VERY nice moves tho. like selling a product for dirt cheap, and having the fine print say that by ordering this product you're signing yourself up for 70 dollar monthly(or was it yearly) subscription service.

or where he takes a bunch of health articles that can be found on the internet, turns them into a book, then selling the book to stupid people.

he might be pool's best hustler.

!Smorgass Bored
11-15-2006, 09:51 AM
Well, I just added up my checking account, my savings account, my piggy bank money, my pocket money, my 'flash cash', my 'secret' money and the available balance on my one and only credit card..... and if KT and his 400 lawyers want to sue me for my $989.14, just BRING IT ON.
Doug
( plus, I secretly think that he LIKED my song )

sjb
11-15-2006, 10:01 AM
Hey, every penny counts. Your $989.14 would pay 11% of almost $9000.

ironman
11-15-2006, 10:29 AM
Hey, every penny counts. Your $989.14 would pay 11% of almost $9000.

Smorg just pledged what?

Eydie Romano
11-15-2006, 10:44 AM
I've read some discussion here about lawyers, but haven't seen any about KT's lawyers. Here's some info, for what it's worth:

In past litigation (and he's been involved in plenty), KT has been represented by Jenner & Block, a national law firm based in Chicago, that has over 400 lawyers. This firm has represented KT in lawsuits he's brought against the United States, the FTC, the NY State Consumer Protection Board, as well as various companies and individuals. I'm familiar with this firm, and they're not lightweights.

Based on his history of litigation, KT seems to have an affinity for making claims that he and his companies have been disparaged in various ways that damage his ability to do business.

Here's an example to think about:
About 10 years ago, KT sued an individual for allegedly libelous statements made by the individual about KT in a book and on a website. KT obtained a default judgment (I haven't looked up the details, but typically, a default is entered when the defendant fails to respond to the complaint). Following an evidentiary hearing, KT was awarded a judgment of $5 million in compensatory damages and $5 million in punitive damages. Here's the ironic kicker -- the individual then filed bankruptcy and tried to discharge the judgment debt. The court ruled that the debt was not dischargable because the underlying act was "a willful or malicious injury."

Just a word to the wise: be careful, and know your foe.

This is all true, I agree with what you have stated... KT keeps this firm along with another high profile attorney Marc J. Lane http://www.marcjlane.com/ on retainer. J&B have been with KT for many many years as well.

Check out Marc's motto!

Both firms are well respected in this area, but have been defeated in the past with KT as well...

Although this is true, don't think for one minute that other well respected attorney's here in Chicago are used to dealing with J&B and KT. The attorney we have been consulting has past experiences with KT and has prevailed in court!

macguy
11-15-2006, 11:19 AM
This is all true, I agree with what you have stated... KT keeps this firm along with another high profile attorney Marc J. Lane http://www.marcjlane.com/ on retainer. J&B have been with KT for many many years as well.

Check out Marc's motto!

Both firms are well respected in this area, but have been defeated in the past with KT as well...

Although this is true, don't think for one minute that other well respected attorney's here in Chicago are used to dealing with J&B and KT. The attorney we have been consulting has past experiences with KT and has prevailed in court!

Kt is involved in a law suit right now that goes to court around the first of next year. It involves him suing people who have tried to interfere with him doing business by sending out press releases in an attempt to stop people from doing business with him. Sound familiar? Depending on how far the thing with the IPT goes, you can bet one of their defenses will be they were interfered with as they tried to make the IPT work.

As proof they will have to sue, even if they don't want to or don't even believe in their case, those that they feel tried to prevent them from conducting their business. Whether they win of lose doesn't matter to them, but the ones being sued will have to defend themselves. Have you even been on the receiving end of a law suit? I have and I can tell you 20 to 50 thousand in legal fees is nothing.

If I was you and a few others on here I would keep my mouth shut from now on before it is too late, and it may already be too late. Better start saving up for your legal fund if KT has decided he doesn't like you. Kt regardless where the money came from has invested millions of dollars in the IPT and it is no joke you guys screwing with him.

I think you could make a line already at this point on the probability of you and a couple others getting sued. Some of you people are in some kind of fantasy world, you can't go screw with people like that, even KT has rights. If you have pissed KT off enough I hope you have a lot of money, because you'll need it, a good lawyer ain't cheap.

jimmyg
11-15-2006, 11:52 AM
Kt is involved in a law suit right now that goes to court around the first of next year. It involves him suing people who have tried to interfere with him doing business by sending out press releases in an attempt to stop people from doing business with him. Sound familiar? Depending on how far the thing with the IPT goes, you can bet one of their defenses will be they were interfered with as they tried to make the IPT work.

As proof they will have to sue, even if they don't want to or don't even believe in their case, those that they feel tried to prevent them from conducting their business. Whether they win of lose doesn't matter to them, but the ones being sued will have to defend themselves. Have you even been on the receiving end of a law suit? I have and I can tell you 20 to 50 thousand in legal fees is nothing.

If I was you and a few others on here I would keep my mouth shut from now on before it is too late, and it may already be too late. Better start saving up for your legal fund if KT has decided he doesn't like you. Kt regardless where the money came from has invested millions of dollars in the IPT and it is no joke you guys screwing with him.

I think you could make a line already at this point on the probability of you and a couple others getting sued. Some of you people are in some kind of fantasy world, you can't go screw with people like that, even KT has rights. If you have pissed KT off enough I hope you have a lot of money, because you'll need it, a good lawyer ain't cheap.

Discretion is certainly recommended.

Also, if you have a standard, personal Umbrella Insurance policy, you should be covered for the defense of personal law suits.

Jim

av84fun
11-15-2006, 11:55 AM
sjb...<<Just a word to the wise: be careful, and know your foe. >>

EXCELLENT post. Jenner is not only not a lightweight firm, it is one of the most prestigious in the nation. Of course, they don't always prevail for him...at least they didn't with respect to the FTC matter a few years ago, and Edyie states that the NYC lawyers have defeated him...I presume with Jenner representation.

But they are REALLY good.

Regards,
Jim

av84fun
11-15-2006, 12:00 PM
MACGUY...GREAT post sir. I have shared essentially the same views with a couple of the more obvious "candidates" but you are SPOT ON.

Regards,
Jim

av84fun
11-15-2006, 12:04 PM
jimmyg...<<Also, if you have a standard, personal Umbrella Insurance policy, you should be covered for the defense of personal law suits.>>

Right...but watch out for exclusions for "intentional acts."

Great advice though....and CHEAP for the benefits provided.

Regards,
Jim

cuejoey
11-15-2006, 12:23 PM
i see on TV that he is GIVING AWAY his book.just pay for shipping !!!!!!

macguy
11-15-2006, 12:32 PM
i see on TV that he is GIVING AWAY his book.just pay for shipping !!!!!!

That sounds like a move. The book is self published and probably doesn't cost that much to produce, they probably print them as they need them. Depending on what they are charging for shipping, shipping books is cheap so they make a good profit on the shipping anyway and they want to try to get you to subscribe to the web site.

When I said I think it's a move, I suspect since the book is being given away you can't complain and ask for a refund. Why would you pay to send back something you got for free? They play the game good and have been at it for a long time.

av84fun
11-15-2006, 12:37 PM
Cuejoey...<<i see on TV that he is GIVING AWAY his book.just pay for shipping !!!!!!>>

Right...but A) what is the shipping charge...how much PROFIT is there in it...? and B) does ordering the book obligate the purchaser to a monthly subscription...in the small print??

Interesting post though. There have been numerous comments about the book's sales declining substantially!


(-:
Jim

Timberly
11-15-2006, 12:45 PM
does ordering the book obligate the purchaser to a monthly subscription...in the small print??
IIRC, the book doesn't tell you what the "cure" is. It tells you to join the website, which is where a lot of the credit card complaints are.

It's been quite awhile since I looked at the complaints but I think people paid for the website, were disappointed because there's no "cures" there and then they would cancel their subscription. The monthly charges were still being charged to their card after they would cancel their subscription.

Also, I believe they're charging somewhere in the ballpark of $30 for the shipping. I seem to recall someone saying that on here not too long ago.

If you do a serach on the forums, there's quite a few threads where people have linked websites that have listed complaints against KT, Natural Cures, and a slew of other companies and they'll tell you exactly what the complaints are.

Da Poet
11-15-2006, 12:48 PM
Are we talking about the possibility of getting sued by KT just for posting stuff here?

He "might" be crazy enough, but I don't see how the publicity would help him. These other suits sort of help him present himself as the underdog or victim. My guess is that in his mind, it helps him sell his books by portraying himself as some sort of "defender" of the common man's rights.


If were talking about outside activities, and hinting at Eydie, it seems to me that she has been very responsible in consulting with attorneys with everything she has been doing in the last month or so. But more importantly, I think the best protection she has is the personal respect and support of many of the IPT pro's and many others here and in the pool business who I'm sure would speak up on her behalf should KT try something stupid.

sjb
11-15-2006, 12:57 PM
This is all true, I agree with what you have stated... KT keeps this firm along with another high profile attorney Marc J. Lane http://www.marcjlane.com/ on retainer. J&B have been with KT for many many years as well.

Check out Marc's motto!

Both firms are well respected in this area, but have been defeated in the past with KT as well...

Although this is true, don't think for one minute that other well respected attorney's here in Chicago are used to dealing with J&B and KT. The attorney we have been consulting has past experiences with KT and has prevailed in court!

I certainly didn't intend to imply that you weren't well-informed -- I just put the info out there for those who might not be.

I know there are plenty of "heavy hitters" in the Chicago legal community besides J&B. I've hired a fair number of them myself.

You're right, Lane's motto is a hoot. Just like most lawyer "mottos."

av84fun
11-15-2006, 03:11 PM
Da Poet...<<He "might" be crazy enough, but I don't see how the publicity would help him. These other suits sort of help him present himself as the underdog or victim.>>

So too, might suits to "protect his good name and honor." And apparently, he has done it before according to the post here.

As for "character witnesses" that is a kind and generous inclination but such testimony...as to character and truthfulness is problematic regarding admissibility...except in criminal cases where it is generally pretty unrestricted.

But in civil matters, local rules in state courts and the FRCP make getting such testimony admitted difficult (not impossible...difficult) unless the plaintiff's character/truthfulness is brought into question by the defense...a practice that may not be well advised for the above reason.

And in defamation cases...the burden of proof lies upon the DEFENDANT to PROVE that the statements complained of by the Plaintiff are true...truth being an absolute defense to a defamation claim.

Conversely, the defendant does NOT have to prove innocence...since innocence is presumed in this country....(supposedly) (-:

It is HUGELY wise advice to desist from lodging any allegations of specific acts that might rise to the level of defamation...either pe se...or per quod...for those who are interested...in per quod defamation actual DAMAGES must be proved by the plaintiff. But in the per se variety, damages are PRESUMED and all that remains is for the judge or jury to assess an appropriate sum.

Allegations such as criminal activity and unfitness to perform one's profession are examples of the per se variety. Re: criminal conduct, it is fine to allege the commission of crimes regarding which the person has been convicted...because the truth is an absolute defense.

Or you can mention that someone has been CHARGED with a crime...if that is true.

But you are walking on VERY thin ice to allege criminal conduct regarding any activity regarding which the person has neither been charged or convicted. I'm not saying that you cannot possibly get away with the above...just that doing so is a REALLY, REALLY bad idea.

Sorry for the length of this post but as has been pointed out by others, that there have been posts that might be awfully close to a line that the poster would not want to cross...so I think there is some merit in discussing these issues.

Regards,
Jim

!Smorgass Bored
11-15-2006, 03:17 PM
Also, if you have a standard, personal Umbrella Insurance policy, you should be covered for the defense of personal law suits.
Jim


I think my umbrella is covered under my Renter's Insurance (but not from Flood )
Doug
( along with my other 'stuff' )

av84fun
11-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Timberly...<<Also, I believe they're charging somewhere in the ballpark of $30 for the shipping.>>

ROFLMAO! I don't admire KT in any way whatsoever.,..and not necessarily including him in this remark...but it is amazing...in a morbid sort of way...how BLATANTLY some people are willing to act...and that the definition of "free" does not seem to be an issue in the mind of the FTC and/or state regulators....that I know of.

But hey...I'll sell anyone my house for FREE...but there will be a very large inspection fee.


Regards,
Jim

Timberly
11-15-2006, 03:26 PM
I wasn't too surprised when I read it because it's becoming more & more common on ebay now. You'll see an item dirt cheap but the shipping charges are outrageous. This way, they give less to ebay and pocket more.

macguy
11-15-2006, 03:56 PM
I wasn't too surprised when I read it because it's becoming more & more common on ebay now. You'll see an item dirt cheap but the shipping charges are outrageous. This way, they give less to ebay and pocket more.

It's called "fee avoidance" and has been against the rules since ebay started. They end the auction if the find out and they do, anyone selling a similer item will turn them in. If you do it again they will probably close your account.

Timberly
11-15-2006, 04:05 PM
It's called "fee avoidance" and has been against the rules since ebay started. They end the auction if the find out and they do, anyone selling a similer item will turn them in. If you do it again they will probably close your account.
I've never sold a thing on ebay... only ever bought. Legal or not, I've seen it on there before, which is why I wasn't surprised to hear that KT was "giving away" his book and all one had to do was pay something close to $30 for S & H.

Da Poet
11-15-2006, 04:33 PM
But you are walking on VERY thin ice to allege criminal conduct regarding any activity regarding which the person has neither been charged or convicted. I'm not saying that you cannot possibly get away with the above...just that doing so is a REALLY, REALLY bad idea.



Makes sense.

I've seen a couple posts accusing KT of fraud in a general sense, but I have yet to see anything very specific or actionable.

I think the word "fraud" has been over used here on this forum and has lost it's meaning to the point that a precise discussion on the matter may be impossible anyways.

There are obviously some very real economic issues with this whole venture that I believe are at the heart of the problem. I think the criminal concerns for everyone right now is not so much how KT got into this mess, but how he chooses to get out of it.

av84fun
11-15-2006, 04:42 PM
Da Poet...<<I think the criminal concerns for everyone right now is not so much how KT got into this mess, but how he chooses to get out of it.>>

Yep. And that will keep all us popcorn lovers munching! And Edyie suggests that there is more to come...SOON.

Munch, munch.

(-:

Jim

jjinfla
11-15-2006, 05:56 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that KT has someone assigned to read and print out all posts concerning him and the IPT.

It is one thing to say something when there is no witness around with a tape recorder but to type it out and then sign it is quite another matter.

People call him a liar when in reality all he is doing is "puffing". That is a common term used in Real Estate.

I bought the first book, now at 5 million copies sold, and it was interesting. Some good stuff, some junk. Sure a lot better than some of the junk that politicians write.

If you go to the book review sections and all you read are the one star reviews then you will have all negative reviews. If you only read the five star reviews then you will have all positive reviews. Doesn't really tell you much.

He was on TV with his informercial for his second book and that sounds interesting too. I think I will pick that one up too. I will read it and decide for myself what is reasonable and what is not. He sure is captivating and believable on TV. All he is doing is telling people what they want to hear.

The electomagnetic chaos disabler, or whatever, was a hoot. But do you know that in the 40's my mom as a beautician had a similar device that was a scalp rejuvinator? Did nothing as far as I know but it made a nice crackling sound and gave off a blue light.

As far as I am concerned Kevin Trudeau paid his debt to society. He most likely enjoys playing close to the edge.

Hey, maybe someday he and Mike will take me fishing on his boat.

If Mike Sigel happens to read this Dan Lavoi is just about ready to open Hammer Heads in Holiday Florida. 24 Diamond tables. 12 large; 12 small. Dan enjoys fishing in the gulf and might want a couple more investors in his pool room.

Jake

sjb
11-15-2006, 06:56 PM
Just a couple comments on some previous posts while I'm sitting here in my pool room getting ready to practice for my inaugural entry in the DM Tourney.

First, from what I've seen on this board, I don't think there's much doubt that someone in KT's camp is monitoring things said about him and the IPT - here and elsewhere. Given his history, don't be surprised to see a lot of what's been said to be used by him in a worst case scenario (i.e., a lawsuit).

Second, someone mentioned above that the word "fraud" had been so overused as to lose all meaning for rational discussion. While I don't completely disagree in the limited context of this forum, the elements of civil fraud are well-defined under each state's law. The various states' laws vary somewhat, but usually have at least the following elements that must be proven by a preponderance of the evidence:

1. making a knowing misrepresentation of fact with the intent that the recipient take some action in reliance (key words being "knowing" and "intent").
2. the recipient reasonably relies on the misrepresentation ( key word here being "reasonably") to the recipient's detriment.
3. resulting damages.
This is a very comdensed version. In most states, fraud is broken down into seven discrete elementss to be proven.

Bottom line: there is a very definte framework within which fraud claims can be discussed. Proving it in court is a whole 'nother ball game.

Excuse the long post. Time to practice.

DaveK
11-15-2006, 07:03 PM
... while I'm sitting here in my pool room getting ready to practice for my inaugural entry in the DM Tourney.

TAP TAP TAP ... oh ... wait ... this is an IPT thread :o ... TAP TAP TAP anyway ! Shoot well !

Dave

Jimk
11-15-2006, 07:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to hear that KT has someone assigned to read and print out all posts concerning him and the IPT.

It is one thing to say something when there is no witness around with a tape recorder but to type it out and then sign it is quite another matter.

People call him a liar when in reality all he is doing is "puffing". That is a common term used in Real Estate.

I bought the first book, now at 5 million copies sold, and it was interesting. Some good stuff, some junk. Sure a lot better than some of the junk that politicians write.

If you go to the book review sections and all you read are the one star reviews then you will have all negative reviews. If you only read the five star reviews then you will have all positive reviews. Doesn't really tell you much.

He was on TV with his informercial for his second book and that sounds interesting too. I think I will pick that one up too. I will read it and decide for myself what is reasonable and what is not. He sure is captivating and believable on TV. All he is doing is telling people what they want to hear.

The electomagnetic chaos disabler, or whatever, was a hoot. But do you know that in the 40's my mom as a beautician had a similar device that was a scalp rejuvinator? Did nothing as far as I know but it made a nice crackling sound and gave off a blue light.

As far as I am concerned Kevin Trudeau paid his debt to society. He most likely enjoys playing close to the edge.

Hey, maybe someday he and Mike will take me fishing on his boat.

If Mike Sigel happens to read this Dan Lavoi is just about ready to open Hammer Heads in Holiday Florida. 24 Diamond tables. 12 large; 12 small. Dan enjoys fishing in the gulf and might want a couple more investors in his pool room.

Jake
Trudeau is believable on T.V.? Did you see his golf infomercial? It was obvious he was not a golfer. A lie told with conviction is still a lie.

memikey
11-15-2006, 09:32 PM
.....But do you know that in the 40's my mom as a beautician had a similar device that was a scalp rejuvinator? Did nothing as far as I know but it made a nice crackling sound and gave off a blue light....

Jake

Jake,come and sit down a minute.....I think you' re old enough now to be told something about your childhood.You remember those trips with your mom to her job in that great big 'health and beauty parlour' surrounded by high walls and barbed wire? Well.....it wasn't really a health and beauty parlour.....

When your mom strapped the client into that special treatment chair with all the wires attached and then clipped those metal things to the 'customers' scalps and pressed the button to make the crackling sound and the blue light appear she wasn't really rejuvenating them,quite the opposite actually.

Don't you go having no nightmares now;) :) :D

ironman
11-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Jake,come and sit down a minute.....I think you' re old enough now to be told something about your childhood.You remember those trips with your mom to her job in that great big 'health and beauty parlour' surrounded by high walls and barbed wire? Well.....it wasn't really a health and beauty parlour.....

When your mom strapped the client into that special treatment chair with all the wires attached and then clipped those metal things to the 'customers' scalps and pressed the button to make the crackling sound and the blue light appear she wasn't really rejuvenating them,quite the opposite actually.

Don't you go having no nightmares now;) :) :D

OMG!! LMAO!!!

I can't believe you said that..

memikey
11-15-2006, 09:44 PM
Trudeau is believable on T.V.? Did you see his golf infomercial? It was obvious he was not a golfer. A lie told with conviction is still a lie.

Sure he is a great golfer.....every other day he shoots 3 under par then nips into the clubhouse and runs 200 balls on the pool table while waiting for a cold beer......hear tell he can drink 126 bottles without visiting the toilet......which might partly explain the torrent of stale piss which escapes his mouth every time he talks:rolleyes:

Any high powered KT lawyer who wishes to sue me can find me in my office in Abu Dhabi,United Arab Emirates (full address supplied on request).If they confirm in advance that they are the official representatives of KT and the IPT and let me know when they are arriving to serve the papers that will be enough for myself and my local business partner to arrange to have them met at the bottom of the steps of the plane and looked after by our colleagues in the local authorities,until they arrange settlement of monies owed and until we decide that we're ready to let them leave;)

goget'um
11-15-2006, 10:49 PM
Sits down, smokes his cigar.....sips brady...........puts 5 cigars out on KT's head


Sue for that you son of a sap sucker!!!!!


and my 10.34 may just be worth your time

ironman
11-15-2006, 11:03 PM
Sits down, smokes his cigar.....sips brady...........puts 5 cigars out on KT's head


Sue for that you son of a sap sucker!!!!!


and my 10.34 may just be worth your time

I gotta hand it to ya, you really like that BRADY, don't ya? LOL

LMAO!!!!

jjinfla
11-16-2006, 06:38 AM
Compared to the new majority leader in the Democratic party Kevin is a saint.

Compared to the CEO's that Yahoo/finance wrote about a couple days ago, Kevin is a saint.

Let's face it Kevin pulled a fast one on everyone. Time to turn the page and go on with life. He hit the players with a right cross. Now the players are set up to be finished off with the left from the lawyers.

Does anybody care that I lost 95K because I watched LU drop to nothing? And that I was stupid enough to keep buying more on the way down?

I suppose not.

Well, that is the way I feel about the pool players. They made their bed, they can sleep in it. They can keep crying, or they can go on with life.
It is not my problem. It is theirs. No one is paying me for advice. Free advice is worth every penny you pay for it. I know what I would do if I were in their shoes. I really don't care what they will do.

Plenty of free advice here on the boards. Mostly from people who can't receive attention in the real world so they come here in the make believe world and pretend to know it all.

I recovered from the LU fiasco. I wonder if the pool players will recover from their adventure. If they do, good for them. If not, well, that is life.

Jake

sjb
11-16-2006, 08:24 AM
Gosh Jake, ever heard of "empathy"? Maybe if I knew you I'd care that you rode Lucent down the tubes. But I do know people with a real stake in this whole mess, and I do care about them.

You're mostly right about the value of free advice, but "advising" anyone is not my aim here (beyond "be careful, and know as much as you can about who you're dealing with").

And fyi, as a favor to a friend, I read -- more than once -- a contract offered by Mark Trainer before the NA Open, and advised against signing it. No charge, and fairly valuable advice as it turns out. Last time I did charge someone for advice, the going rate was $290/hr, but that's been more than a few years ago.

Here's some advice: life's more fun without bitterness.

No charge.;)

steadyneddy
11-16-2006, 07:05 PM
i see on TV that he is GIVING AWAY his book.just pay for shipping !!!!!!

that is because the profit is in the shipping! come on are you kidding me.....did you actually post that?

macguy
11-16-2006, 08:42 PM
that is because the profit is in the shipping! come on are you kidding me.....did you actually post that?

There is a lot of layers to what he does. The shipping on the book will go towards covering the costs of the informercial but he really wants the contact with the customer that's the real value. Just the fact the they ordered the book shows they have an interest in the subject as well as a willingness to pay.

Once he has the contact then the real selling begins. He wants to get them set up on the web site with his news letter and what ever else he can sell them. Also a big money maker is the mailing lists that KT sells other marketers. I can show you a copy of what he sends out trying to sell the lists. He breaks the lists down into all kinds of demographics.

They tell the persons age, sex whether they paid with a credit card and which one, are they inclined to be repeat customers and so on. I saw one list that actually emphasized the buyers were elderly, decide for yourself what that means. These lists aren't cheap either, it is a big part of KT's income. He has a very multi faceted business that makes money coming and going.

Little story.
The daughter of one of my elderly neighbors found when her mother died her credit card was being billed by Sears for some kind of appliance repair insurance. The thing is, her mother had not lived in that house or owned those appliances for ten years. Old people often don't look at or understand their bills and just pay what ever they say.

cuejoey
11-18-2006, 01:21 PM
that is because the profit is in the shipping! come on are you kidding me.....did you actually post that?
i posted it but did not mean it it a nice way that you have taken it.

Fatboy
01-07-2007, 07:22 AM
There is a lot of layers to what he does. The shipping on the book will go towards covering the costs of the informercial but he really wants the contact with the customer that's the real value. Just the fact the they ordered the book shows they have an interest in the subject as well as a willingness to pay.

Once he has the contact then the real selling begins. He wants to get them set up on the web site with his news letter and what ever else he can sell them. Also a big money maker is the mailing lists that KT sells other marketers. I can show you a copy of what he sends out trying to sell the lists. He breaks the lists down into all kinds of demographics.

They tell the persons age, sex whether they paid with a credit card and which one, are they inclined to be repeat customers and so on. I saw one list that actually emphasized the buyers were elderly, decide for yourself what that means. These lists aren't cheap either, it is a big part of KT's income. He has a very multi faceted business that makes money coming and going.

Little story.
The daughter of one of my elderly neighbors found when her mother died her credit card was being billed by Sears for some kind of appliance repair insurance. The thing is, her mother had not lived in that house or owned those appliances for ten years. Old people often don't look at or understand their bills and just pay what ever they say.

from 98 to 02 I made $20,000/week buying and selling lists in the credit business, it dryed up after the FTC implemented the GLBA(Privacy laws) and the DNC (Do not call) laws, now I make about $15K/month the list business is easy $$$ if you have access to the lists, I'm also involved in operations like KT,

I think he had good intentions and was relying on other sponsers to make the pay-off's to the players(internet gambling sites etc.) and he fronted some $$$, but like any business there is a risk of failure and this one simply didnt work, I dont believe he had any intentions of harming any players or damaging pool, I think he saw an oppertunity and it just didnt work.

There is no way anyone could make any liabilous(SP?) statements here about him or his ethics that would lead to any troubles, freedom of speech covers that clearly, I have went toe to toe with the FTC as Kevin has and he is smart and yes he has ripped off alot of people but in this case with pool I dont think his motives were not bad. Go to Ripoff.com and read alll the stuff on him there, funny thing is the guy who ownes that site makes KT look like the most honest guy ever, that site is set up to sell a book. not to serve public interest,

justnum
01-07-2007, 06:32 PM
ok

well I got a connection with some importer that can get chinese tech equipment from Blu-Ray players to next gen PDAs. Here is the thing its not out on the market. And the buyers are lining up.

I dont really need you to invest, but if you do invest it will instantly make you easy money. So how much should I sign you up for.

my impression of KTs version
The pool community is reaching new levels of global portions. And well I want you to join me in making a name on the global scene.

Ill front all the cash so I dont really need your $2K. But its what will make the IPT run without my financial assistance.
I'll even set you guys up in RENO and LALALAND you can have all the finest vegas has to offer.

Fatboy
01-08-2007, 05:23 AM
i'm not defending him he is a POS, his ethics are non existant, he hustled America not just the pool players, remember when he was pitching the Mega-Memorie thing 10 years ago, i'm in the same industry as him and none of us in the biz likes him its called DR "direct response" its TV ads and junk mail, his pool thing was an attempt by him to put together something for nothing, he fired an air barrel and shouldnt be forgiven. but givin my experience and knowlege of him the players are screwed, sad to say. If I could think of any recourse for them believe me I would speak up and help, but I just dont see it.