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ramw5p
11-16-2006, 07:26 AM
Got a 'Centennial' cue with brunswick logo. Sticker says "Made in Canada". Anyone know who makes this cue..probably a year or 2 old, at least. Are these any good? Thanks for any ideas/info.

bigpocket
11-16-2006, 07:28 AM
I no that joss used to make the brunswick cues.If it said made in canada on it maybe falcon made it just a guess thoe.

corvette1340
11-16-2006, 07:29 AM
Got a 'Centennial' cue with brunswick logo. Sticker says "Made in Canada". Anyone know who makes this cue..probably a year or 2 old, at least. Are these any good? Thanks for any ideas/info.


Nabisco I think. They also make a good Brunswick Stew.

ramw5p
11-16-2006, 07:46 AM
Well i can see how someone thinks Nabisco makes cues..beleive it or not there are poeple out there that think chevrolet makes sports cars :)

cueandcushion
11-19-2006, 12:57 AM
Brunswick doesnt make tables or cues anymore. They lease out their name and have it all subcontracted. I can only assume the cues are made by the same Chinese plant that make their pool tables now. So many cues are made in China under alias names. Maybe the STICKER itself was the only thing made in Canada? Nabisco makes a great vanilla wafer by the way. :rolleyes:

manwon
11-19-2006, 04:48 AM
Brunswick does not lease out their name. They have manufacturing agreements with many factories around the world to produce tables, cues, and accessories according to their specifications. Throughout Brunswick's 150 years of existence they have manufactured directly and indirectly the goods they sell under the Brunswick brand.

A cue with a "made in Canada" sticker on it was probably manufactured by Dufferin or Falcon.

These days products can be made anywhere and people who swear they would NEVER allow anyone else to produce THEIR products find themselves in the offices of large OEM (stands for Original Equipment Manufacturers) factories every day just so they can expand and be competitive. If the OEMs can make good products to spec then there is no problem for the consumer. If they can't and the consumer is being sold inferior goods at high prices then the brand will suffer accordingly.

In this case, Brunswick has been evolving through mergers and outsourcing for 150 years and their name still stands for quality.

Hey partner, Brunswick stopped making quality products with the end of the production of the gold crown III. They have not made a quality cue since the Titlist Willie Hoppe, and currently the only quality product that they offer is made by Salc and they make Centennial Balls as they have for the last thirty year's.

All their other products are crap, including the Gold Crown IV which is made of sub-standard materials, non-Italian slate and over priced to the point that Diamond Tables look like a bargain.

I have been in this business as a pool hall owner and a Billiard retail store owner for only three years, but I must say Brunswick products are not what you think they are, but we are all allowed an opinion, so have a great day!!!!!!

PS. Dufferin has been out of business for two years.

Manwon

Ruthless
11-19-2006, 07:52 AM
Well Manwon I guess you and I will have to disagree. I have been in this "business" for 20 years so I guess we just have a different opinion. Just so you know the Titlist cues were considered average mass produced models when they were being made. They weren't anything special.

What does Dufferin being out of business have to do with whether the cue in the possession of the original poster was possibly made by them or not? I know that the Canadian production of Dufferin cues ceased. The original poster indicated that he estimates the cue to be two year's old.

As a room owner you are certainly entitled to your opinions as to quality and price when it comes to equipment that you have considered offereing to your customers. I know plenty of room owners who are quite satisfied with their Gold Crown IV purchases and plenty of players who prefer to gamble on them.

As to pricing, well, you are free to pruchase lower priced tables, balls, cues and whatever you want. It's a free market. Since you aren't in control of Brunswick's costs and weren't instrumental in building the brand then I can only assume that you have no real idea of the cost associated with the actual building of tables nor the cost of maintaining a premium brand. Perhaps you do, in which case I am sure that you would understand why a Brunswick branded table costs more than a no-name copy.

Now, most bangers could care less which tables they play on, which is why you see a lot of so-called pool rooms with furniture style tables that play horribly. Take a poll of hard core players (who are notorious for being cheap, I agree) and ask them which tables they prefer to play on and you will find that most of them will name a Gold Crown or a Diamond. It is my personal experience that given the choice between the two the players usually pick the Gold Crown. So, for such a crappy table they still get a lot of respect from the player community and in my book that counts for quite a lot. The fact is that John Brunswick built quality tables, earned a reputation for quality and parlayed that success into what is now a 2 billion dollar company known for it's quality products. So you can knock them all day long but you can't really argue with their success.

All the best with your room, I hope your tables stay busy all the time.

I agree (and GC tables are #1 - new or old).

As far as cues go, the makers of mass produced cues don't vary that much in quality anymore. But worrying about Brunswick's cues would be low on my list of the "Who Makes ...... now" question and would be about cues that cost a lot more.

example: Who is making Predator butts now? :eek:

and anything that has the word "conversion" in the title isn't worth 2 cents to me.

SlateHumper
11-19-2006, 08:23 AM
All their other products are crap, including the Gold Crown IV which is made of sub-standard materials, non-Italian slate and over priced to the point that Diamond Tables look like a bargain.

Very few Brunswick tables I have seen actually had Itialian slate. Most were brazilian. Bruswick has had manufatcuring plants in Brazil for MANY years. The also used "Brunstone" aka sandstone.

manwon
11-19-2006, 03:04 PM
Well Manwon I guess you and I will have to disagree. I have been in this "business" for 20 years so I guess we just have a different opinion. Just so you know the Titlist cues were considered average mass produced models when they were being made. They weren't anything special.

What does Dufferin being out of business have to do with whether the cue in the possession of the original poster was possibly made by them or not? I know that the Canadian production of Dufferin cues ceased. The original poster indicated that he estimates the cue to be two year's old.

As a room owner you are certainly entitled to your opinions as to quality and price when it comes to equipment that you have considered offereing to your customers. I know plenty of room owners who are quite satisfied with their Gold Crown IV purchases and plenty of players who prefer to gamble on them.

As to pricing, well, you are free to pruchase lower priced tables, balls, cues and whatever you want. It's a free market. Since you aren't in control of Brunswick's costs and weren't instrumental in building the brand then I can only assume that you have no real idea of the cost associated with the actual building of tables nor the cost of maintaining a premium brand. Perhaps you do, in which case I am sure that you would understand why a Brunswick branded table costs more than a no-name copy.

Now, most bangers could care less which tables they play on, which is why you see a lot of so-called pool rooms with furniture style tables that play horribly. Take a poll of hard core players (who are notorious for being cheap, I agree) and ask them which tables they prefer to play on and you will find that most of them will name a Gold Crown or a Diamond. It is my personal experience that given the choice between the two the players usually pick the Gold Crown. So, for such a crappy table they still get a lot of respect from the player community and in my book that counts for quite a lot. The fact is that John Brunswick built quality tables, earned a reputation for quality and parlayed that success into what is now a 2 billion dollar company known for it's quality products. So you can knock them all day long but you can't really argue with their success.

All the best with your room, I hope your tables stay busy all the time.

Thanks very much and have a nice day!!!

manwon