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BillPorter
05-10-2007, 07:18 PM
I heard that Billy Incardona just bested Chris Bartrum at One Pocket to the tune of $4,000 in Dallas. I think it was a race to six and took only seven games. Anyone able to corroborate this?

BigDaddyInc.
05-10-2007, 07:30 PM
I don't know but his buddy is here online tryin to get him a game! mcworter i think?

ironman
05-11-2007, 02:45 AM
I heard that Billy Incardona just bested Chris Bartrum at One Pocket to the tune of $4,000 in Dallas. I think it was a race to six and took only seven games. Anyone able to corroborate this?

Actually, I just got back from there and held the stake mioney.
It was 6 ahead for $4000 and it didn't take very long as Chris only won 2 games through the whole match,

JAM
05-11-2007, 02:59 AM
Actually, I just got back from there and held the stake mioney.
It was 6 ahead for $4000 and it didn't take very long as Chris only won 2 games through the whole match,

Go, Billy, go! Don't ever underestimate an old-school player. Great victory for Mr. Incardona! :)

JAM

JimS
05-11-2007, 04:41 AM
Go, Billy, go! Don't ever underestimate an old-school player. Great victory for Mr. Incardona! :)

JAM

Ditto! The guy can play a lil.

Barboxlegend21
05-11-2007, 05:38 AM
Actually, I just got back from there and held the stake mioney.
It was 6 ahead for $4000 and it didn't take very long as Chris only won 2 games through the whole match,

Ironman were they playing even? ?..and if not what was the spot.:cool:

Black-Balled
05-11-2007, 05:51 AM
Ironman were they playing even? ?..and if not what was the spot.:cool:
WHat he said;) !

mosconiac
05-11-2007, 07:00 AM
I love the internet. Action happens and within minutes you can know who played, where they played, how much was bet, what table they played on, what each player had for lunch, what the race was, when they started, how long it lasted, who held the $$$, who forgot to shower that morning....the days of prowling around the country unknown are just about over. You're always a cell phone picture & a forum post away from being exposed.

Terry Ardeno
05-11-2007, 08:29 AM
I love the internet. Action happens and within minutes you can know who played, where they played, how much was bet, what table they played on, what each player had for lunch, what the race was, when they started, how long it lasted, who held the $$$, who forgot to shower that morning....the days of prowling around the country unknown are just about over. You're always a cell phone picture & a forum post away from being exposed.

Just ever so tiny bit of a stretch there ( with the luch and all :) ) but you're so right. Can you imagine if we had to rely solely on the 3 main pool magazines to keep our inquiring minds afresh with the lastest goings ons?

I'de like to make a comment on your last sentence...the "from being exposed" part. That to me implies that to gamble at pool, you always have to "sneak up on" (aka "deceive") the other person you want to shoot for money with. I personally don't think it should be that way. If you want to play for big $, just propose the big $. Why play games, beat around the bush, lose a few, win a few, all leading up to the "big score". Because when all this is said and done, it seems like this route leads to the same conclusion..."EXPOSED!"

ironman
05-11-2007, 08:30 AM
I love the internet. Action happens and within minutes you can know who played, where they played, how much was bet, what table they played on, what each player had for lunch, what the race was, when they started, how long it lasted, who held the $$$, who forgot to shower that morning....the days of prowling around the country unknown are just about over. You're always a cell phone picture & a forum post away from being exposed.

They started at app 4 pm. They played at the new room in Dallas called Diamonds. The match was played on the new 9ft Diamond Smart table which is pretty tight. The game was dead even. They were supposed to play for 10 Dimes but Chreis couldnn't come up with the dough. The match lasted about 3-31/2 hours. Chreis shoots very straight, but, experience and knowledge prevailed and the fact that Billy hardly missed a bank and kicked like a mule.During the set set, Billy ate a corned beef sandwich while Chris had nothing but bottle water.

Imo, Bi8lly just out moved hime. Chris will someday be a good 1-hole player, he just needs to learn the game a little better. He certainly has all the tools though. Very much the gentleman while playing Too.

That is about all the detail I remember right now except that the drive from Dallas back to San Antonio is boring as hell and getting home at 5am anin't nearly as much fun as it was 25 years ago.

Terry Ardeno
05-11-2007, 09:13 AM
They started at app 4 pm. They played at the new room in Dallas called Diamonds. The match was played on the new 9ft Diamond Smart table which is pretty tight. The game was dead even. They were supposed to play for 10 Dimes but Chreis couldnn't come up with the dough. The match lasted about 3-31/2 hours. Chreis shoots very straight, but, experience and knowledge prevailed and the fact that Billy hardly missed a bank and kicked like a mule.During the set set, Billy ate a corned beef sandwich while Chris had nothing but bottle water.

Imo, Bi8lly just out moved hime. Chris will someday be a good 1-hole player, he just needs to learn the game a little better. He certainly has all the tools though. Very much the gentleman while playing Too.

That is about all the detail I remember right now except that the drive from Dallas back to San Antonio is boring as hell and getting home at 5am anin't nearly as much fun as it was 25 years ago.

Ironman,
Now that's my kind of post! If I had the money, I would hire you to be a full time roving pool hall reporter. You have lifted the pool reporting standards to new heights. I personally can never get enough info on these happenings. Seeing Billy munching approvingly on the aforementioned corn beef sandwich while he awaited his turn at the table added an allure to these festivities in my mind.
It would really be nice to be able to have someone be able to factually report at these match ups. I would seriously even enjoy pre-match and post-match mini interviews with the players, their thoughts, etc.

Nice post.

ironman
05-11-2007, 09:34 AM
Ironman,
Now that's my kind of post! If I had the money, I would hire you to be a full time roving pool hall reporter. You have lifted the pool reporting standards to new heights. I personally can never get enough info on these happenings. Seeing Billy munching approvingly on the aforementioned corn beef sandwich while he awaited his turn at the table added an allure to these festivities in my mind.
It would really be nice to be able to have someone be able to factually report at these match ups. I would seriously even enjoy pre-match and post-match mini interviews with the players, their thoughts, etc.

Nice post.

Actually, Diamonds Billiards plans to bring more and more matches such as this live to the internet. I honestly would like to hear more from the players before and after a match. It would shed a new light on the players of today and what they go through in preparation.

IMO, gambling is a big part of pool. Too many confuse this with hustling. I say expose it for what it is.

As in the match with Chris and Billy, there was no hustling and no con job. Chris was in the area and Billy loves to play and loves to bet it up. No hustle, no con, no BS whatsoever. Once the match started, they hardly even spoke.

CreeDo
05-11-2007, 03:10 PM
that's pretty awesome. I'm so used to thinking of Billy Incardona as a commentator now that it's refreshing to know he's still out kicking ass and taking names (no offense to Chris who sounds pretty awesome too). Wish I coulda seen it, good 1 pocket action is a joy to watch, I like to guess what the players will do. When I'm wrong (like every time) it's nice to learn something.

ironman
05-11-2007, 05:26 PM
that's pretty awesome. I'm so used to thinking of Billy Incardona as a commentator now that it's refreshing to know he's still out kicking ass and taking names (no offense to Chris who sounds pretty awesome too). Wish I coulda seen it, good 1 pocket action is a joy to watch, I like to guess what the players will do. When I'm wrong (like every time) it's nice to learn something.

Billy is 63 years old and still thinks young and pockets balls real well. When we installed the new Diamonds, he loves them so much that he says he enjoys playing again. I got to Dallas on Tuesday and he played Robert Newkirk like 9 hours and another 7 hours on Wednesday and then Chris on Thursday. After Chris left he and Tommy Ray were playing and still playing when I left Thur night around midnight. The man is in great shape for his age.

SCCues
05-12-2007, 02:19 PM
Billy is 63 years old and still thinks young and pockets balls real well. When we installed the new Diamonds, he loves them so much that he says he enjoys playing again. I got to Dallas on Tuesday and he played Robert Newkirk like 9 hours and another 7 hours on Wednesday and then Chris on Thursday. After Chris left he and Tommy Ray were playing and still playing when I left Thur night around midnight. The man is in great shape for his age.
That's a lot of pool for a 63 year old man and he's got to be in good shape to hold up that many hours.

ironman
05-12-2007, 04:49 PM
That's a lot of pool for a 63 year old man and he's got to be in good shape to hold up that many hours.

Iagree with you and to be honest it's what impressed me most about his game. I have played a lot of long sets myself {that's why they called me ironman} and I still will , but I've been forced to tweek it some now because I'm 55 years old, but he does it at 63. He did tell me that he works out and that with new Diamond tables he really enjoys playing again and has a new attitude.

Hot off the presses!!! I just got a call and Billy is at it again. He and john Hager are playing 7 ahead for $10000 right now. AThey started at 3 this afternoon and are dead even. They have agreed to play until 11pm and resume tomorrow. That is a smart move on Billys part. John Drew can play forever and ever himself and gets stronger as he goes.

Knowing both the way I do, I predict that if it is still close tonight, and come back tomorrow, Billy will get him.

philw
05-13-2007, 09:55 PM
Billy is 63 years old and still thinks young and pockets balls real well. When we installed the new Diamonds, he loves them so much that he says he enjoys playing again. I got to Dallas on Tuesday and he played Robert Newkirk like 9 hours and another 7 hours on Wednesday and then Chris on Thursday. After Chris left he and Tommy Ray were playing and still playing when I left Thur night around midnight. The man is in great shape for his age.
Let me share a story about Billy from the 80's. Billy was going to play Efren at the Chicago Billiard Cafe (pool hall that I frequented along with "The Beard" and others). About a week before they were to play Incardona calls up Frank the owner and tells him to put a new cloth on table eight and he would reimburse him for it. They were going to play 9ball races to 13 I believe for $2000 a set. Billy was getting the 8 and the breaks hence the new cloth. They played in the afternoon to a quiet room of about maybe 20 people I witnessed it along with George Fels and others. Anyways they played three sets and Efren missed only 3 balls the entire time. (George Fels chronicled this in an article in the Billiard Digest not sure which issue). Billy ended up 1 set winner after all was said and done. I think this goes hand in hand with another thread in which Jay Helfert explains managing a game and talks about gaining an edge. Billy did some homework and it paid off. Efren realized he couldn't win at that game and called it a day. All in attendance were treated to some 9ball & gambling at it's best. That was a day I'll never forget. PhilW

jay helfert
05-13-2007, 10:51 PM
Let me share a story about Billy from the 80's. Billy was going to play Efren at the Chicago Billiard Cafe (pool hall that I frequented along with "The Beard" and others). About a week before they were to play Incardona calls up Frank the owner and tells him to put a new cloth on table eight and he would reimburse him for it. They were going to play 9ball races to 13 I believe for $2000 a set. Billy was getting the 8 and the breaks hence the new cloth. They played in the afternoon to a quiet room of about maybe 20 people I witnessed it along with George Fels and others. Anyways they played three sets and Efren missed only 3 balls the entire time. (George Fels chronicled this in an article in the Billiard Digest not sure which issue). Billy ended up 1 set winner after all was said and done. I think this goes hand in hand with another thread in which Jay Helfert explains managing a game and talks about gaining an edge. Billy did some homework and it paid off. Efren realized he couldn't win at that game and called it a day. All in attendance were treated to some 9ball & gambling at it's best. That was a day I'll never forget. PhilW

No one manages better than Billy, as I'm sure Freddie will attest.

PoolBum
05-13-2007, 11:14 PM
No one manages better than Billy, as I'm sure Freddie will attest.

It's easy to tell when you've got the worst of it against Billy. If he wants to play, you've got the worst of it. :D

jay helfert
05-13-2007, 11:58 PM
It's easy to tell when you've got the worst of it against Billy. If he wants to play, you've got the worst of it. :D

You aren't too far off. He has a record like the Globetrotters. He may go years at a time without booking a loser.

I'm proud to say that I made him pull up on taking my action when he was setting the line at some tournaments in the 80's. And it was a "gaff" line to boot. I beat him like six bets in a row and he told me I was "off".

jrhendy
05-14-2007, 10:04 AM
You aren't too far off. He has a record like the Globetrotters. He may go years at a time without booking a loser.

I'm proud to say that I made him pull up on taking my action when he was setting the line at some tournaments in the 80's. And it was a "gaff" line to boot. I beat him like six bets in a row and he told me I was "off".

I played Billy some one pocket (with weight of course) several years back at Hard Times in Bellflower. We played three fairly long sessions and I was stuck some after the first two. We had an appointment to play again, and when he showed up he had cracked his ribs in a boating accident and was bandaged up. He played anyway & it was obvious he was hurting & not up to par and I won most of my $$ back. He gave me a shot at my money when he didn't have to. Tough to beat, but good to gamble with, and that means something to me. John Henderson

huckster
05-14-2007, 07:43 PM
Billy I is very careful, but not at all a nit. He will bet it up on his own money. I played scotch doubles with Cliff against Billy and Chris G from Chicago years ago and I was in awe as far as his knowledge of the game was concerned. after we broke even (Cliff carried us) I went and bought Billy's onepocket video (the only time I ever bought an instruction video in my life) My grandfather called Billy the second best 9baller of the late 60's and early 70's a lil tidbit "Billy I" used to be known as "9ball Billy" my grandfather told me that the only one who was a favorite for the cash over Cardone playing 9 ball was grandpa's old road partner Wimpy