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jacklenenberg
05-12-2007, 07:15 AM
Alright, I just can not make up my mind on these two tables. I am getting an excellent deal on each $4295 for the Plaza, or $4900 for the Waterfall--8 foot pro, salsa on maple, simonis camel cloth, double diamond MOP/Abalone sights and premium player package....I have already paid for the Plaza, but for only $600 more I can have the Waterfall....These decisions are tough...If you guys could have one or the other, which one would you choose and why??I want to give the dealer the go-ahead by June 1st.

Derrick Steel
05-12-2007, 10:16 AM
I would choose the Plaza over the Waterfall. The Waterfall looks like a seesaw and I would always have the thought of one end coming down...lol

Mike in MN
05-12-2007, 10:22 AM
I like the Waterfall better. It's got a more modern look and I just think the darn thing is sexy. However, with your color choice of cloth, I think the Plaza might look a little better with a light brown on it. The Waterfall, in my opinion, looks best with the tournament blue on it. Either way, you've got a heck of a table coming your way.

Pushout
05-12-2007, 10:29 AM
The Plaza. Why the camel cloth instead of traditional green??

jacklenenberg
05-13-2007, 08:04 PM
Well the salsa is a darker finish with a red tint to it. Don't think green would go too good with the red tone of the wood. Might look too much like Christmas wrapping paper. We just think the camel cloth contrasts well with the salsa finish. Open to suggestions though.

The other reason I am leaning towards the Plaza is that the Waterfall is always shown with really light wood tones---rock maple, american maple, natural cherry, bone, etc. even the brushed aluminum finish....but we are going with a darker wood tone, and I am unsure whether salsa lends itself to the Waterfall...I think the Plaza might be the better design for the darker wood finish.

One other thing, I would go with brushed chrome reveals on the Plaza if I get it; The Waterfall has an option to include a reveal on the apron. Do people like the reveal on the Waterfall??

Also, how come the Plaza is not in the Olhausen brochure? Is it just a real slow seller? Is it being phased out? What's the deal?

BigCat
05-14-2007, 01:14 AM
They are both fine tables.

But for that amount of money, I would invest in a 9 foot Diamond Pro-Am or Gabriels (tournament used for either to reduce cost). Roughly the same price, maybe a little more (~500), but well worth the investment. And you would be playing on tournament style tables (DCC, U.S. Open, 14.1 World Championships, etc...). JMO.

Either way, congratulations on your new table.

arsenius
05-14-2007, 02:06 AM
They are both fine tables.

But for that amount of money, I would invest in a 9 foot Diamond Pro-Am or Gabriels (tournament used for either to reduce cost). Roughly the same price, maybe a little more (~500), but well worth the investment. And you would be playing on tournament style tables (DCC, U.S. Open, 14.1 World Championships, etc...). JMO.

Either way, congratulations on your new table.
I'm always a little shocked when I read people on this forum wanting to purchase anything but tournament style tables. One part of my brain understands that style is important for some people, and that not everyone plays in tournaments and gambles. It's a very small part. The rest of my brain just yells "what about the tournaments!!! If you go to a tournament the tables will play very differently!!! For the love of God, please think about the tournaments!!!" :-)

Anyways, I like the look of the Plaza.

jacklenenberg
05-14-2007, 09:20 AM
I have no tournament aspirations. I used to play in an APA bar league, and enjoyed it. I had a solid 5 handicap. Our team won some trophies, but never got to Vegas until after I left. Stopped shooting in the league 6 years ago. May never join the league again. I have a 5 year old and a 2 year old. Just want to have some fun shooting socially on a table that plays well and looks good.

More people are preferring the Plaza than I thought. Does Olhausen sell many Plazas, or does everyone want the Waterfall?

Tom M
05-14-2007, 11:29 AM
I'm always a little shocked when I read people on this forum wanting to purchase anything but tournament style tables. One part of my brain understands that style is important for some people, and that not everyone plays in tournaments and gambles. It's a very small part. The rest of my brain just yells "what about the tournaments!!! If you go to a tournament the tables will play very differently!!! For the love of God, please think about the tournaments!!!" :-)

Anyways, I like the look of the Plaza.

Do you really think a high quality, solid wood furniture style table with 1" slate and quality cushions (like Accufast) and plays significantly different from a tournament table (assuming the same size table)? I'm not being argumentative, I'm sincerely asking for your thoughts.

I realize that the tournament tables have more robust contruction, and more mass, but my gut tells me that the difference would be very subtle, expecially for advanced players who don't often hit the rails hard.

I'll offer the thought that the robust construction is primarily to withstand the repeated assembly/disassembly and moving that tournament tables will endure, whereas a furniture table would most likely suffer greatly from repeated moves.

Tom

arsenius
05-14-2007, 01:57 PM
Do you really think a high quality, solid wood furniture style table with 1" slate and quality cushions (like Accufast) and plays significantly different from a tournament table (assuming the same size table)? I'm not being argumentative, I'm sincerely asking for your thoughts.

I realize that the tournament tables have more robust contruction, and more mass, but my gut tells me that the difference would be very subtle, expecially for advanced players who don't often hit the rails hard.

I'll offer the thought that the robust construction is primarily to withstand the repeated assembly/disassembly and moving that tournament tables will endure, whereas a furniture table would most likely suffer greatly from repeated moves.

Tom
Well, to be honest I was mostly joking. Since what I would gamble on or play tournaments on would be my biggest concern when buying a table, I just assume everyone must think the same way. This is, of course, ridiculous. But it runs through my head whenever I see a table thread.:)

As far as the differences, I don't feel I can speak to those. I've only played on two Olhausen tables. I can say, however, that those two tables played very differently from each other. One of them (an 8 foot) really liked to spit balls out (though the pockets were not particularly small). The other just played weird!!! But I don't think the second table had been assembled properly, or the felt was improperly installed. Something was not right on that table, so I don't take it to be representative of Olhausens.

Jimmy M.
05-14-2007, 02:20 PM
In that same price range, I just bought a tournament used 9' Gabriels Signature Pro for $4250 (minus shipping and set-up charges). I think they're $4715 new. The table plays great and, while it might not be as decorative as the Olhausen, I think it looks pretty nice too. Here's a picture of it in what would be the formal dining room if I wasn't a pool player. :D

http://members.cox.net/... (http://members.cox.net/jadame/gabriels-table.jpg)

Jimmy M.
05-14-2007, 02:31 PM
Do you really think a high quality, solid wood furniture style table with 1" slate and quality cushions (like Accufast) and plays significantly different from a tournament table (assuming the same size table)? I'm not being argumentative, I'm sincerely asking for your thoughts.

I have played on the Olhausen Champion tables (don't remember if it was the Grand Champion or the Champion Pro) and I can tell you that you'd be hard pressed to find a player (I'm talking about a player who plays from shortstop speed on up to professional level) that would tell you that the Olhausen plays as well as either the Diamond or the Gabriels. I'm not saying it plays bad, or couldn't be made to play similar (but still unlikely to be identical) to the other two tables, but it would take someone to change the rubber, cut the pockets differently, etc, and that person would have to be a very good table mechanic and, the truth is, there just aren't an abundance of good table mechanics around. For my money, I'd go with something that I know is going to play how I want as soon as it's set up. For that reason, and others, I bought a Gabriels. I was also considering a Diamond Pro-Am and I'm sure I would have been happy with that table if I would have bought that instead.

Tom M
05-14-2007, 03:00 PM
Well, to be honest I was mostly joking. Since what I would gamble on or play tournaments on would be my biggest concern when buying a table, I just assume everyone must think the same way. This is, of course, ridiculous. But it runs through my head whenever I see a table thread.:)

As far as the differences, I don't feel I can speak to those. I've only played on two Olhausen tables. I can say, however, that those two tables played very differently from each other. One of them (an 8 foot) really liked to spit balls out (though the pockets were not particularly small). The other just played weird!!! But I don't think the second table had been assembled properly, or the felt was improperly installed. Something was not right on that table, so I don't take it to be representative of Olhausens.

I can't really speak to the differences either, and I would have purchased a Gold Crown or Diamond or similar tournament table if not for the fact that my lovely bride wanted a "pretty" furniture table. Since she sprang for the table as a 40th birthday gift, and allowed me to build a dedicated space for it in our new home, it was a MINOR compromise :D

We ended up with an Olhausen Remington, which is pretty heavy as furniture tables go. I do like the styling and with my wife's decorating touch the room is very nice.

I'm not a great player, and my personal inconsistencies are likely to outweight table differences, but now I'm curious to see the difference...

jacklenenberg
05-14-2007, 03:54 PM
We ended up with an Olhausen Remington, which is pretty heavy as furniture tables go. I do like the styling and with my wife's decorating touch the room is very nice.

The Remington is a nice table. ex-Steelers coach Bill Cowher just sold his Remington at an auction in Pittsburgh. The auction house descibed it as "very masculine"...imagine that!! Bill Cowher with a masculine looking pool table... The Remington was on my short list as well, until my wife encouraged me to go with a contemporary looking table to fit her decorating style...alas, the present choice between the Plaza or Waterfall. I guess I can't go wrong with either one since they "retail" for 8 or 9 grand, and I am gettting them at a real good price.

Will I see a big difference in the Salsa on Maple vs. the Salsa on Cherry? If someone is an Olhausen rep, please let me know...