PDA

View Full Version : Setting A High Run Goal


Pages : [1] 2

elvicash
09-04-2007, 08:30 PM
I am 41 years old.

My birthday is June 24.

My goal is to run my age before my next birthday.

In practice or competition, I do not care which.

I currently claim my hi run as 14.

I will revisit this thread as the year progresses.

selftaut
09-04-2007, 11:34 PM
Best of luck! We know you can do it!

CreeDo
09-05-2007, 05:31 AM
I'd like to run my age by my next birthday. Should be doable, I'm not in the aarp yet :P

Williebetmore
09-05-2007, 07:47 AM
I am 41 years old.

My birthday is June 24.

My goal is to run my age before my next birthday.

In practice or competition, I do not care which.

I currently claim my hi run as 14.

I will revisit this thread as the year progresses.

DS,
Best of luck (unless of course you are playing me, then we wish you only enough luck to avoid serious personal injury during the game).

P.S. - I'm pretty sure you've run more than 14, we'll have to start paying a bit more attention.

Solartje
09-05-2007, 08:04 AM
mmm its a good idea.

my personal goal will be:

as im turning 30 in 2 weeks, and my bday present is a diamond 9ft'er that (cross my fingers) will be ready for my bday, ill give myself 1 month to run 30.

should be doable :D



my next goal is to run a century when i'll be 100 :cool:

elvicash
09-05-2007, 02:41 PM
This idea came to mind when I remembered at the one pocket HOF inductie George Rood was asked when he had last ran his age.

I cannot rember when he exactly said he had done it last but I know the number was in the upper 80's.

BTW: George was 92 year old when inducted and he was still playing.

Congrats to you Mr. George Rood.

I'll let you know when I run my age and then I will aim for running my weight.

Bob Jewett
09-05-2007, 03:53 PM
This idea came to mind when I remembered at the one pocket HOF inductie George Rood was asked when he had last ran his age.

I cannot rember when he exactly said he had done it last but I know the number was in the upper 80's.

BTW: George was 92 year old when inducted and he was still playing....
As I recall the story, he was 88 when he ran 126. George says that his best game was nine ball, but he also played straight pool. He was once spotting a guy 50-no-count going to 100 and had 10 runs of 100 in one day.

Gerry
09-11-2007, 03:56 AM
^^^ Now that's an incredible feat Bob!!!

So,......where's the "Bible of pool" according to Rood?......I'm in for a few copies!:)

Gerry

elvicash
10-12-2007, 03:14 AM
I am trying out a pool league playing straight pool.

This is the first league play for me except for once when I was an alternate and played 3 weeks in an 8 ball league.

First week of straight pool league was last night Oct 11 we play on Thursdays.

It is a round robin format and there are 18 players.

There is a wide range of skill level among the players in the league including a few professionals.

Also it is a handicap league everyone goes to 100 but the players start with different counts.

My handicap is 15 so I need 85 to win.

My first round was Jeanette Lee last night.

Her handicap is -130 so she needs 230 to win.

I won the lag.

She beat me 230 to 34.

My hi run was 10.

I did not concentrate/focus well and I played under my normal game.

I am going downstairs to practice now.

I am going to work on pool more and less on reading AZ.

Williebetmore
10-12-2007, 05:48 AM
I am trying out a pool league playing straight pool.

This is the first league play for me except for once when I was an alternate and played 3 weeks in an 8 ball league.

First week of straight pool league was last night Oct 11 we play on Thursdays.

It is a round robin format and there are 18 players.

There is a wide range of skill level among the players in the league including a few professionals.

Also it is a handicap league everyone goes to 100 but the players start with different counts.

My handicap is 15 so I need 85 to win.

My first round was Jeanette Lee last night.

Her handicap is -130 so she needs 230 to win.

I won the lag.

She beat me 230 to 34.

My hi run was 10.

I did not concentrate/focus well and I played under my normal game.

I am going downstairs to practice now.

I am going to work on pool more and less on reading AZ.

DS,
Hey man, don't get down. That was a TOUGH DRAW for your first night in the league. She has only lost 3 matches in 2 years in the league (and only 1 was a non-pro).

As you will be reminded (with George Breedlove and Jeff Beckley also in the league), there is more to straight pool than just ball pocketing. JL's skills in safety play, risk reduction, and cluster breaking are world class (and I guess her ball pocketing is adequate too:) ). You will definitely have to play your very best to beat her; but it can be done. The pro's are handicapped a bit more this year, so I do believe they will suffer some losses (hopefully in play against you and me).

P.S. - a bit of unasked for advice (since our handicaps are similar) - against the pro's I play VERY aggressively, trying to generate as many balls as possible each inning, no matter the risk. As you will see, leaving them even 2 balls away from the stack allows them to start a run no matter their starting position. In addition, JL will beat you to the shot in 3 out of every 4 safety situations; so maximize your ball count in any inning you are lucky enough to get a shot.

Against the least proficient players I play as conservatively as possible. They may need only 30 or 40 balls, while you will need 100. Even 2 or 3 careless mistakes may allow them to get 10 or 14 balls in one of their innings; it is best to play as tight as possible from the very first rack - try to never leave the table on a miss, take no risky shots. JMO (but developed over 5 seasons, and has been quite an effective strategy).

Blackjack
10-12-2007, 06:08 AM
DS,
Hey man, don't get down. That was a TOUGH DRAW for your first night in the league. She has only lost 3 matches in 2 years in the league (and only 1 was a non-pro).

As you will be reminded (with George Breedlove and Jeff Beckley also in the league), there is more to straight pool than just ball pocketing. JL's skills in safety play, risk reduction, and cluster breaking are world class (and I guess her ball pocketing is adequate too:) ). You will definitely have to play your very best to beat her; but it can be done. The pro's are handicapped a bit more this year, so I do believe they will suffer some losses (hopefully in play against you and me).

And to expound on that, try not to set your goals to high. Your goals have to be realistic, and beating The Black Widow on your first night of league play is not very realistic. She is a world class 14.1 player, Bobby Hunter trained just like John Schmidt. She has also learned from some of the greate players in NYC - so she's eons ahead of many players when it comes to straight pool knowledge.

Many years ago, I entered a tournament and I figured I had a good chance to win. However, when they did the draw, I got stuck in the meat of the bracket - playing the legendary BCA Hall of Famer, Cowboy Jimmy Moore in the first round. There were several other top players in the brackets above and below me. I was pissed off. I turn to Randyg (Goettlicher) and I said... "I drew Cowboy Jimmy Moore in the first round. I've got the worst luck in the world."

Randyg looked at me and smiled and said, "That's not bad luck at all. What a wonderful opportunity to play a legend and to learn."

I never forgot that. Now, when I play a great player, I go in with that attitude. It's not about winning or losing, it's about the lesson. I know guys that have been playing longer than we've been alive and they still don't understand that.

Speaking of lessons, I will be available on the date that we discussed. In that lesson we will cover all of the aspects of the game to include...

Reading the paterns
Dissecting the rack
Breaking up clusters
Manufacturing a break ball
End sequences
Designating a break ball
Designating a key ball
Safeties
Break Shots... break shots... break shots... & break shots...

Bring some Icey Hot... your arm's gonna need it!

Williebetmore
10-12-2007, 06:44 AM
And to expound on that, try not to set your goals to high. Your goals have to be realistic, and beating The Black Widow on your first night of league play is not very realistic. She is a world class 14.1 player, Bobby Hunter trained just like John Schmidt. She has also learned from some of the greate players in NYC - so she's eons ahead of many players when it comes to straight pool knowledge. !

BJDS,
Just for the record, I can attest that elvicash can definitely pocket balls - he is quite capable of beating JL with the handicap given (but he better play his best).

I also can assure you that JL would be crushed if any report of her 14.1 prowess failed to mention Gene Nagy specifically (I know you mention the NYC players, but Gene was special). He was a true straight pool genius, devoted his life to playing and studying the game, and was generous enough to pass on what he could to JL - I believe she has been quoted numerous times crediting him for her straight pool knowledge, and saying that he was like a father to her.

Having said all of that, I'm extremely jealous of elvicash for getting to hook up for some pool with you. Please note that you have a standing invitation to Betmore's Basement if you are ever travelling through the area (food, lodging, beverages, and pool are free - the price is fair). I'm sure there are many AZB'ers here in Indiana that would like to meet you.

P.S. - Just between you and me, I rate JL's tactical skills well ahead of JS (based ONLY on the Schmidt-Pagulayan matchup that I witnessed; I have seen JL play hundreds of hours of straight pool). I rate JS's ball pocketing skills well ahead of JL - it would be a dream match.

Blackjack
10-12-2007, 07:17 AM
BJDS,
Just for the record, I can attest that elvicash can definitely pocket balls - he is quite capable of beating JL with the handicap given (but he better play his best).

I also can assure you that JL would be crushed if any report of her 14.1 prowess failed to mention Gene Nagy specifically (I know you mention the NYC players, but Gene was special). He was a true straight pool genius, devoted his life to playing and studying the game, and was generous enough to pass on what he could to JL - I believe she has been quoted numerous times crediting him for her straight pool knowledge, and saying that he was like a father to her.

Having said all of that, I'm extremely jealous of elvicash for getting to hook up for some pool with you. Please note that you have a standing invitation to Betmore's Basement if you are ever travelling through the area (food, lodging, beverages, and pool are free - the price is fair). I'm sure there are many AZB'ers here in Indiana that would like to meet you.

P.S. - Just between you and me, I rate JL's tactical skills well ahead of JS (based ONLY on the Schmidt-Pagulayan matchup that I witnessed; I have seen JL play hundreds of hours of straight pool). I rate JS's ball pocketing skills well ahead of JL - it would be a dream match.

Willie

Shoot me for not mentioning Gene Nagy! :o (oops)

I am looking forward to having Dana down here for some 14.1 instruction. i hope he enjoys it and learns some new tricks to take back home to beat all of you...

as far as getting to the basement... it might happen. Now that Tommy Kennedy has moved back up to Indiana, I might be up there in the area. I gotta keep that Kennedy guy in line, he's a lot of trouble, you know?

elvicash
10-12-2007, 02:25 PM
Blackjack I look forward to working with you. BTW the WBM offer is a good one he has a nice setup and of course I would like some of your time as well if you do make it up this way.

WBM - I am not down at all. Kudos to JL she is a true champion and she showed it last night. She is a class act on and off of the table.

I was just stating what happened as much to challenge myself as anything. I am not in the least bit frustated however I did not play well at all and will work to do better. I definitley need to do more work on my game.

I played some this AM before coming into work and I will be playing quite a bit more in the upcoming weeks. I am glad I am in the league and just want to improve some in the next 17 weeks.

I will be looking for instruction (Blackjack and others) so I know how to approach the game. As I gain and develop this understanding of the game I will be able to play and express myself in the game.

I have yet to feel as if I am really playing the game when playing 14.1.

However I have seen glimpses and know it is coming.

elvicash
10-18-2007, 08:02 PM
2nd week in the league. I played a good player with a similiar handicap to mine. He has a lot more experience than I have in the league. Today I started at 5 and he was on 0 we were both going to 100.

I won the match and I played OK. I know he did not play his normal game. The score is immaterial. I did have a few runs but nothing great but I do have a new hi run, this one was between 2 partial racks. Throughout the night I kept getting out of line at the end of a rack but if felt like I was going to get it going.

My runs were
4-8's, 2-9's, 1-11 and an 18 (6 and then 12 from the break)

Good Items
-----------------------------
I made the balls today when I was hitting the rack or breaking up clusters.

I made a mental note multiple times to lower my shooting hand and get the cue level.

I stayed in the middle of the CB unless I needed left or right. I minimized hi and low. I still had decent cue ball action.

I started out missing and to overcome that I focused on stroking with mostly forearm and little wrist unless I needed action. Hammer type strokes with forearm based follow thru, I stayed down fairly well.

I used the crutch on perhaps 7 or 8 shots I think I only missed one ball with the crutch. In the past I would stretch, dog it and give up the inning.

I played safe a few times quite well, however 3 or 4 times I went for low percentage shots and gave up the inning. These were shots I knew I could make but was not convinced they were the right shot however I would not hesitate to shoot them when playing 9 ball but since I do not feel they are the right straight pool shot, that doubt brings out the dog in my arm. As I continue to play I will improve my game and a part of that will bewhen going for balls, unless I like the shot and feel I am going to make it then I need to keep looking for a different shot.

I need to remember that I can and do make tough shots when I feel the shot and if I do not feel it I will pick a different shot. I will have start to looking at percentages as I play especially when starting an inning and when I get out of line.

Problem Items
---------------------------------------
My main problem today was getting distracted by outside forces, listening to other conversations multiple times causing me to loose focus and ultimately missing balls.

When this happens in the future and I know I am in that loosing focus. I will stand up re-plan my shot and get back into my shot sequence and execute a good stroke. The balls will roll as they roll but I will give myself fully to the shot. I will focus my concentration and not share it between my match and anything else. Paying attention to anything other than my game will only diminish my returns.

Wrap up
--------------------------------------------------------------
I am glad to be playing in this league, it is something to look forward to and it gives me a reason to focus and try to improve. I know I can play a lot better than I did tonight. I am starting to understand more of the straight pool game.

League score 1 win - 1 loss

My current claim to a hi run before my 42nd birthday (6/24/08) is 18.

Goal - I will run my age.

Statement - I will run my age!

elvicash
10-29-2007, 08:50 AM
This thread is turning into my blog.

I have not played as much 14.1 as I should have in the last week or so. But i have been playing some pool.

I did not get to play in the league due to work scheduling issues. I played one game this week we went to 100. I played local player who is mostly a 9 ball player and I got smoked 100-51. I could not get anything going.

I played in a 9 ball tournament on Saturday and went 2 and out.

I had a less from Scott Lee on Sunday. I learned I had quite few good things going in my game stance, basic bridge and stroke motion. I also had a few bad things which I will be working on addressing in the next few weeks. A major flaw was holding the cue quite a bit past perpindicular at address and not being as level as I could be at address.

I know both of these are important, but I had not seen myself shoot so I did not know I had these problems. Video is a great training tool and I try to video myself some as I work to improve.

Scott is a great teacher and I will work through his process and look for some serious improvemnts in December. It will take me 3 weeks or so to change my game using some his training methods and training drills.

I will let you know how it goes.

OneArmed
10-29-2007, 08:53 AM
nice blog :)

it's interesting I think. I also set a high run goal for myself this year, but may have been too lofty. My current high is 38 and I want to to 50 by years end. My game has been faltering a bit lately because I'm coming back to basics to "unlearn" some bad habits of mine.

good luck on your quest.

Blackjack
10-29-2007, 10:14 AM
Elvicash

Don't worry too much about the numbers. Concentrate on patterns, identifying your setup ball/key ball/break ball - and work on your break shots. Many players will frustrate themselves because they don't understand the patterns, or because they hit the break shots with draw when they should hit them with follow.

Being a great straight pool player is more than just running high numbers.

Here is an excerpt from something I have posted several times on this forum... print it out and tack on your wall, keep a copy of it in your cue case - its really good advice I have gotten over the years pertaining to this game.


Straight Pool Advice I Have Recieved Over The Years

You have a choice of what to do when you are in the chair.

a) You can beat yourself up or feel sorry for yourself
b) You can take notes and learn

I had the opportunity to learn from Cisero Murphy, Steve Mizerak, John Ervolino, Jack Colavita, and Pete Margo. A lot of it was done by merely observing how they dealt with different clusters or how they played a certain sequence of shots.

Here are some priceless pearls of wisdom that I received from many great players over the past 30 years.

Cowboy Jimmy Moore
14.1 is NOT just about big runs - its about playing smart. If you don't have the big run, don't try to force it. The big run won't always be there, and every run has its end. It is much easier to execute an effective safety with 10 - 13 balls on the table than it is with 2 or 3. If you can get to the table and run 20-25 balls, lock him down and get back up and run 25 more and lock him up again, its just as effective as a big run of 50.

Jimmy Caras
Don't get lost. Many players just go for the open shot with little or no thought about what they are doing and then they end up paying for it when trying to set up the break shot. Plan ahead for the end of the rack when you have the opportunity, and if you don't, be smarter than the situation.

Steve Mizerak
The balls know when your confident and when you aren't. When you have a tough shot and you stare down at the ball, don't allow it to win the stare down. The point is that either you can control the balls, or the balls can control you.

Cisero Murphy
Cisero used to always tell me "Neat in, neat out" and it related to break shots, clusters, and moving the cue ball. Cisero taught me to recognize a player's skill by how smoothly he moves the balls around. 14.1 is not a game that can be mastered with sloppy form, sloppy break outs, or sloppy patterns. Letting go of the cue ball in 14.1 is the absolute worst thing you can ever do. 14.1 is not 9 ball, and 2, 3, and 4 rail position to get on any shot means you lost control somewhere or made a bad choice.

Willie Mosconi
In 14.1 - the better player doesn't always win, but the smartest players always does! Play smart, and take nothing for granted, no matter how easy or routine any shot is. Lapses in concentration or getting careless create opportunities for your opponent.

Take pride in how you shoot the balls. I have always said that when Willie hit a ball, it was like the balls moved differently for him - like the knew who he was and out of respect for who he was they followed his direction. Willie always had command of the table, and he took pride in his work.

Hal Mix
Prepare and then execute. There is nothing worse than being lost with just 3 balls on the table. A lot of players think that 14.1 is a game where you have the freedom to just keep hitting any ball that you want into the pockets. There is more to it than that. A lot of players end their run because they shoot the wrong ball at the wrong time and eventually it catches up to them. Pay attention to sequences - that is why I love any 14.1 accu-stat tapes that have Grady Matthews calling the action. Grady always sees the correct sequence and that is due to a trained eye from years of experience playing the game.

Lou Butera
Stick with what works. This means setting up for a break shot that you are familiar with. You won't always have the same break ball every time, however you should stick with what works for you the best.

Gene Nagy
Watch what the balls do. Recklessly slamming the cue ball into the rack achieves absolutely nothing. Practice your break shots, especially your secondary break shots, and watch what the balls do. Different speeds of stroke will achieve different results. Learn how to work in small sections of the table. Get the balls open and then get behind them. Splattering the balls all across the table can eliminate your chances of leaving a ball close to the stack. Plan your break shots and your sequences to where you get above the rack, not under it.

OneArmed
10-29-2007, 02:36 PM
That is a great post and a wealth of info. Thanks!

elvicash
12-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Have not posted for a while.

I took a lesson from Scott Lee and worked on training myself to use his SPF methods. I have had alot of family issues come up taking me away from pool in the last 5 weeks but now I am back in the saddle.

Tonight I played another league match. I lost 81-100 but I really played well for short periods of time. I ducked and played safe pretty well.

Where my biggest problem was dogging balls specifically long shots into corner pockets. Just flat out jarred 7 or 8 shots that made significant turnaround in the innings. Alot of this was due to me loosing focus and being aware of conversations in the background while I was shooting. Thinking about Barak Obama does not help me pocket the eleven in the corner.

I need to work on focusing my attention.

I need to continue to work on my safety play.

I need to get up when I am not feeling it when I am down on the CB.

I need an iPod to help me tune out poolroom conversations. Maybe that will be my Christmas present to myself.

elvicash
12-05-2007, 06:20 PM
Today I played another league match. I won The score 100-7? I was spotted 15 balls and had a 3 foul 15 ball penalty. I made balls pretty well but never had a really good run nothing over 11 or 12. I never tied two racks together but I did make the break ball a few times and never got started well on the second rack.

I have some more knowledge coming this weekend I will let you know what I learn.

VKJ
12-10-2007, 02:03 PM
As crazy as it sounds. I found I ran more balls when I didn't keep the count while shooting. Not easy to do but if you can do it then count back after the run has ended it can free you up. I got some of my best results that way. It's simply not on your mind as a distraction while shooting. Also running in the 40's and 50's is not that hard to retrace your run to get an accurate count.

Good Luck to you!!!

elvicash
12-22-2007, 01:37 PM
I have not posted for a couple of weeks.

I have to report I had a lesson with Blackjack on Orlando and he gave me quite a few tips on table management.I really wished I lived closer so I could play him a game or two a month I think my game would go up quickly. I will be trying to to get back to FL. a time or two next year (flights are cheap).

I got back from my cruise and played a couple of makeup matches. I played a 0 and I am a 20 and I won that match by a good margin and it should have been even better but I fouled a ball when I was shooting with the score 95-57 I wound up winning by 100 to seventy something.

I then played a handicap 65 player so in that game is I start at 0 and she is at 45. About midway through the the 3rd rack we had basically been splitting the balls till then the score was was about 58 to 23 or something and I got much more focused and I got most of the next 3 plus racks and and then I wound up winning 100-86

I was supposed to play a strong local lady but she was too busy due to work and the Christmas season and she had to forfeit as the match had to be in prior to our positon round.

In this position round I am matched up to play our own Willie Betmore. I am concerned that he will put it on me as he has been having many strong runs lately and he just plays well all around. He has also been getting in alot of table time with a certain local lady champion hall of famer who has alot of straight pool knowledge and skills. I have my work cut out for me but I look forward to the challenge.

Overall runs to report is nothing great. I have had some high teen runs in the above matches. I will be taking in some straight pool at the Derby with the Bob Jewett straight pool challenge.

I expect a 25 to 30 run anytime. My pocketing is improving now I need to work on my shot selection. Lately I have been focused on throwing out 6 or 7 random balls and building paths to the break shot.

I think general knowledge of the game is my single largest holdback (I have been wont to drive the ball too much in the past ala 9 ball style) but I am finding new knowledge of the game in many places. I find the better players are much more forthcoming with knowledge on straight pool than the basic 9 ball gambler types are with their knowledge.

TheWizard
12-22-2007, 07:29 PM
Well, I can say that on Friday, I ran a 27 right off the bat coming in cold, which odly enough is my age, and I'm not going to try that goal again :), but I am going to aim to beat my high run of 104 unfinished, and I'm going to try and do it within the next 3/4 months, to allow myself to really get back into the swing of playing straight pool again, after playing 8Ball, 9Ball :)

"Straight pool is pool, this is like handball or cribbage or somethin" - Fast Eddie describing his thoughts on 9Ball, in TCOM.

Willie

elvicash
01-07-2008, 07:42 PM
Just back from the Derby

I saw alot of balls shot in the last 4 days including 2 days in the Straight Pool challenge room.

I am glad to say I think I learned alot.

Most Important - I need to have CLEANER equipment table and balls.

As always - I need to shoot softer

Last of all - I need to realize that 14.1 can humble any and all unless they have spent the appropriate amount of time needed to learn the game.

There were stone cold champions having some low runs but they got back on the horse and fired again. This is because 14.1 has been asleep for the better part of 10 or 15 years in 5 years most all American champs will have a straight pool game currently our supply is low compared to the Europeans. I think the 14.1 game is coming back. A major force of the rise in interest is due to Bob Jewett's adding money at the Derby. It is not playing 14.1 but it is running balls at 14.1.

THANKS Bob

I also want to thank John Schmidt for all of the knowledge he passed along the last couple of days. I will work to include that in my game.

Anyone reading this should plan to attend the Derby this year '08 or next year because it is an awesome gathering of worldwide talent.

I am out of here I need to hit some balls.

BTW -I will be playing in the straight pool challenge next year.

I hope to run 42 plus next year (my age)

Pete
01-09-2008, 09:31 AM
Hi Guys,

I don't play a lot of starightpool but I found a guy that seems to only like it and I can match up with him on Fridays. In 8 ball I'm a faverite to run out in two or less inings if given the chance and I can beat the 5 ball ghost in races to seven. In 14.1 my high run is 16 :mad: but I run in the teens sometimes.

What I would like to know is what people think would be a good goal for this year?

Any input would be great. Thanks


Pete

selftaut
01-09-2008, 09:41 AM
Hi Guys,

I don't play a lot of starightpool but I found a guy that seems to only like it and I can match up with him on Fridays. In 8 ball I'm a faverite to run out in two or less inings if given the chance and I can beat the 5 ball ghost in races to seven. In 14.1 my high run is 16 :mad: but I run in the teens sometimes.

What I would like to know is what people think would be a good goal for this year?

Any input would be great. Thanks


Pete

Pete, I would suggest not picking a number for a goal, instead make your goal to focus properly on every shot. Make sure you absolutely know what and where whitey is going to do on every single shot. Don't put numbers in your head, take it shot for shot and adjust your pace to get as perfect as you can on your next ball. If you can do this then you will be suprised in yourself after a few months.

Kev

poolplayer2093
01-09-2008, 09:48 AM
I am 41 years old.

My birthday is June 24.

My goal is to run my age before my next birthday.

In practice or competition, I do not care which.

I currently claim my hi run as 14.

I will revisit this thread as the year progresses.


you should really check out Grady Mathews keyballs and break shots out. i got a copy and it's helped a lot. i just beat my old high run of 27 with a run of 56

Irish634
01-09-2008, 09:49 AM
Pete, I would suggest not picking a number for a goal, instead make your goal to focus properly on every shot. Make sure you absolutely know what and where whitey is going to do on every single shot. Don't put numbers in your head, take it shot for shot and adjust your pace to get as perfect as you can on your next ball. If you can do this then you will be suprised in yourself after a few months.

Kev

Excellent advice IMO.

elvicash
02-07-2008, 10:58 PM
I am pocketing the balls pretty well right now. I ran 22 earlier this week and an 18 tonight. Lots of 10 thru 14 ball runs lately. Just having problems tieing two racks together.

I was playing tonight at the Illinois Billiards Club with dmgwalsh nice guy and a great place to play. I had an excellent time. I played initially with Ed at the club and he gave me some more good ideas on ball speed and high/draw selection when seperating balls and hitting the rack. Thanks for the help.

I fully expect a 30 anytime now. I just need to play more. Thanks to every one who has been helping me out. The work I have been putting into my game is really paying off.

Vahmurka
02-08-2008, 04:41 PM
he gave me some more good ideas on ball speed and high/draw selection when seperating balls and hitting the rackcould you share (unless it is a powerful secret weapon you possess now and are obliged to take it to grave)?

elvicash
02-09-2008, 10:36 AM
could you share (unless it is a powerful secret weapon you possess now and are obliged to take it to grave)?

The ideas are not simple to explain without a table and balls, and I really did not get a class just a few tips. One item I was doing was when I was hitting the stack with high or draw my CB was not really that active with spin and I was using more velocity than spin. What he suggested I do was make sure the ball had more spin at times so it got itself through balls more than just smacking off of a cluster. Also to get this effect I needed to have my impact line be more full and not a glancing type of angle.

Also when he was taking his turn and he was breaking up a cluster he pointed out that first of all he had to decide to use high or low on the shot. He decided for that shot he was going to use high but with that given did he want a more normal amount of high so he hit the cluster and come off it going towards the side rail OR was he going to load it up more and force the ball with the extra high to get all of the way thru the cluster to the end rail. He could hit that specific shot either way.

I have watched a fair amount of straight pool this year and alot at the DCC, I definitly see this type of action on the better players cue balls when spreading clusters or the rack and did not think I had that stroke but I do and you can as well. The ball hits and starts to carom off due to the impact and then the spin on the ball takes affect and goes back in that direction again.

Ed also suggested hitting a specific ball when breaking up cluster or the break shot, this is the same as Blackjack's clean in and clean out.

I have to report my high run went up again last night Feb 8. I shot a 28 in practice starting from a breakshot. I ran out the 2 racks and did not miss to end my run. What happened to end the run was that as I was getting ready to rack the 3rd rack, a player asked to play some cheap 9 ball and I said OK, I might of had my 41 right there since my break ball was makeable.

I was not that concerend about this run ending as I was on the road traveling for work and the tables pockets were absolute buckets so I was making the balls real well. The table was a cheap Gandy commercial table and the felt was new but cheap heavy wool clumps needing to be brushed. The table was level and that helped alot. BTW - I won a few dollars playing 9 ball.

I am playing good on strange equipment shifting gears and getting the feel pretty quickly of the new equipment.

I will play some later today on my home table GCII the pockets are basically 2 balls plus a 1/4 inch, not tight but not quite buckets either. I like my home table and feel comfortable there, I need to get my light up (Diamond 4x8 with 4 8ft bulbs) I have had it for 6 weeks and finally got it home to my basement, It has been at my shop since the auction where I purchased the light. Also, I NEED a ball cleaner, if anybody has a commercial style for sale PM me. I know I could make one but I want a Ball Star quality or better. I know my cleaner is out there somewhere.

In the last 6 months I have had a ton of good solid input from 14.1 players. This attitude of positive interaction really adds to the experience. Thanks to everyone.

Vahmurka
02-11-2008, 08:37 AM
thanks elvicash. I know the basics of breaking with draw or follow depending on the angle and the position of a break ball in relation to the stack - but still get confused pretty often. As a result my cueball gets buried behind the rack too often instead of traveling to either end rail or side rail. Even if the cueball doesn't stop frozen to the ball in the rack I usually don't have a shot at the balls in the open. Usually I'm afraid to go with high because of a possible scratch. I guess I should practice each and every break shot with both draw and follow and see which works best but would like to have an easy guideline at the same time. You know, like "if a, then b", and so on.

dmgwalsh
02-11-2008, 10:54 AM
I am pocketing the balls pretty well right now. I ran 22 earlier this week and an 18 tonight. Lots of 10 thru 14 ball runs lately. Just having problems tieing two racks together.

I was playing tonight at the Illinois Billiards Club with dmgwalsh nice guy and a great place to play. I had an excellent time. I played initially with Ed at the club and he gave me some more good ideas on ball speed and high/draw selection when seperating balls and hitting the rack. Thanks for the help.

I fully expect a 30 anytime now. I just need to play more. Thanks to every one who has been helping me out. The work I have been putting into my game is really paying off.

E: Nice playing with you. I didn't realize you played that well.

He broke safe. I missed the first ball and he runs 18. Nice start. Every time I missed he cleared the table.

Beat me both matches handily.:(

See you at Red Shoes tonight. I'm playing a new guy who is maybe not dependable. If he no-shows, we can shoot. Otherwise, you can watch Ed or Fels or match you up with someone else.

D

Scottster
02-11-2008, 01:37 PM
I have to report my high run went up again last night Feb 8. I shot a 28 in practice starting from a breakshot. I ran out the 2 racks and did not miss to end my run. What happened to end the run was that as I was getting ready to rack the 3rd rack, a player asked to play some cheap 9 ball and I said OK, I might of had my 41 right there since my break ball was makeable.




Eeek :eek: CARDINAL SIN!!! Never EVER abandon a run where you may surpass your high run! You did the triple barrel Cardinal Sin! You quit a run where you set your new high run, had a prime opportunity to reach your set "age goal" and you quit to play 9-ball.. (shutters). I pray the pool gods will show mercy on your soul and wont damn you with bad karma :D

If it were me, I would have told the guy I would play but I just set my new 14.1 high run and would appreciate it if he could wait until I missed in the 14.1 game.

elvicash
02-14-2008, 07:20 PM
Eeek :eek: CARDINAL SIN!!! Never EVER abandon a run where you may surpass your high run! You did the triple barrel Cardinal Sin! You quit a run where you set your new high run, had a prime opportunity to reach your set "age goal" and you quit to play 9-ball.. (shutters). I pray the pool gods will show mercy on your soul and wont damn you with bad karma :D

If it were me, I would have told the guy I would play but I just set my new 14.1 high run and would appreciate it if he could wait until I missed in the 14.1 game.

The one true GOD is the also the god of pool. He is extremely forgiving. I will need alot forgiveness beyond walking away in the middle of a new high run.

I am happy to report the improvement continues. I played some more up in Chicago playing with Ted Lattimer again, he of course pointed out some items I could work on and I will.

Number 1 item he pointed out and I am very guilty of is using side english for direction of cue ball as it comes off of the initial contact with the object ball.

Ted says the use of side should be specific to a need and it is not to be setting the initial line of the cue ball. That line is totally and completely controlled by high and low english. Now before everyone comes in and talks about throw and changing the line of the object ball thus changing the line of the cue ball STOP before you start.

Ted's point was use all center english high to low with no side unless there is an actual reason to have side primarily to change the CB line after hitting a rail and or to spin it off secondary object balls.

His point was made by a perfect straight in shot and hitting dead center extreme right hand english. He fires the ball in and cue ball sits there spinning around axis with right hand english no forward motion.

I played straight pool in league tonight. I was a 15 I played a 40 so I gave him 25 going to 100. Half way through the game he had me 48 to my 42 this was after he 3 fouled for a 15 point penalty 2 racks prior. I wound up winning the match 100-68.

I had some 14 plus runs but nothing really big. My ball pocketing is getting better. I need to do more work and play more in competition. Oh yeah I already have a day job - Well I can hope. :D

Quick report on my concentration. I totally lost focus in this match tonight when I got to mid 20's in the match due to the next table being played by 3 non players and a girl. All of them were loud and acting out, like spinning cues, bouncing balls and hanging out more than playing. It was distracting and I lost momentum. I pulled out my secret weapon (iPod nano and turned it up) tried to relax and started playing better. I had to focus on breathing and playing the table when my oponent was shooting. This focus on the game helps me to tighten my concentration/focus. When my focus returned I started to run balls again and then I started to end my turn intentionaly by playing safe more rather than by dogging alot of balls. I find a distraction needs to be focused on to address it in my mind, then I can let it go.

My mental game and planning game can all be improved. I will let you know how it goes.

Scottster
02-14-2008, 07:55 PM
The one true GOD is also the god of pool. He is extremely forgiving.

Amen to that. The advice given to you is definately sound advice IMHO. I have come to an understanding that centerball, vertical axis, and the 90 degree rule is more dependable than spinning the cue ball on the majority of shots in 14.1.

elvicash
02-14-2008, 10:15 PM
I believe the gentlemen I have been playing with in Chicago is Ed Lattimer not Ted as I posted above. My mistake and I offer my apologies. DMG let me know if I am right on the last name.DMGWalsh thanks for introducing me to Ed. He definitely been a help after just playing for two sessions with some tips thrown in on top.

I have had some of the best pool experiences in the last year since I started on this straight pool adventure. The players as a whole are much more open and positive about the game.

Straight pool players enjoy playing the game. :)

Fast Lenny
02-14-2008, 11:12 PM
I have also been guilty of not finishing my high run.I was playing an older gentlemen a quick race to 50 for cheap,him and his buddy are laughing as im down 48 to 23,it looks all over for me and they are enjoying it since i play stronger 9 ball,8ball and one hole then them.I go 27 and out and they look at me like im a freak of nature,it was a great feeling,im not a straight pool player,i dont know the game well but i did what i had to do and got out.I racked a few the other day and run 23 balls with ease before i botched a break out shot,my goal is to run 40 sometime this year but unfortunately not alot of people seem to play it here in AZ,its alot of 9 ball and 1 pocket. :cool:

dmgwalsh
02-15-2008, 05:09 AM
I believe the gentlemen I have been playing with in Chicago is Ed Lattimer not Ted as I posted above. My mistake and I offer my apologies. DMG let me know if I am right on the last name.DMGWalsh thanks for introducing me to Ed. He definitely been a help after just playing for two sessions with some tips thrown in on top.

I have had some of the best pool experiences in the last year since I started on this straight pool adventure. The players as a whole are much more open and positive about the game.

Straight pool players enjoy playing the game. :)

ED is correct. Latimer with one "t".

He loves to instruct.

He showed up with a piece of paper with numbers on it. 1-39 with writing after most of them. I said "what is this"

He said "I watched your run".

Analysis of same.

Vahmurka
02-15-2008, 07:43 AM
He showed up with a piece of paper with numbers on it. 1-39 with writing after most of them.He watched your run at google video? And made comments on every shot? That's awesome!
Did Ed handle the paper to you? If so, could you post it here? Such analysis could be as useful as John Schmidt commentating his 245 run. Because it shows process of decision making and pro's thinking.

halhoule
02-15-2008, 01:23 PM
Exactly What Specific Aiming System Do You Use ???

elvicash
02-15-2008, 05:35 PM
Exactly What Specific Aiming System Do You Use ???


I like to focus on sighting the ball prior to executing the shot. when I sight the shot I have the best success when I sight from the pocket to the OB. I then look down the tangent line to the direction I want the CB moving after the contact with the OB.

I get the feel of the shot and visualize the tergeted result all of this is prior to getting down on the ball.

When I get down on the ball alot of my aim is established when I have the shooting hand in line and the back foot, as I come down on my shot I reach my bridge out into place while focusing on my target pos on the OB.

When I am down I focus on the CB and bring the tip into place near the CB as possible. I do better when I do not waggle back and forth during the period of time when I am getting down on the ball.

When I am down there I use many different concepts and some are bter than others for different situations. I use the ghost ball, paralell system and occasionally the fractional system. I also play by feel sometimes especially on really thin shots with any distance.

My aim and stroke thought on execution work together.

I pocket balls well when I am feeling good, sometimes I do not pocket them very well at all when that happens I hang them alot.

I would like to know more about the pocket. I feel really good players and pro's have an innate understanding of the pcoket and how balls will react in the pocket.

My balls ALL fall when I do not touch the sides of the pocket, if I touch either facing then I hang alot I mean alot of balls. Now I know if the OB is moving slow then it will probably fall and with speed it will hang, however I watch A+ or better players the shoot balls in all day and hit the facing and the balls still fall even though they have speed on them. I am talking about balls north of the side pocket going into a south pocket with the OB being 2 to 4 ball diameters off the rail. I shoot these balls medium speed or less and have real good luck, if I shoot the ball with crisp/firm speed I hang them alot. Good players hit these balls and seem to hit the side rail 1-2 diamonds from the corner pocket, it comes off the side rail hits the far facing and hops into the pocket even when shot with some speed, it is almost like they aim the ball to hit the side rail prior to the pocket. I really need to under stand this better.

My aim is pretty accurate. I would like to thank Joe Tucker for his book on aiming. I did some of that stuff prior to working through his book but reading it and working on my aim tied alot of stuff together.

I would like to talk/meet the REAL Hal Houle. I have heard of his aiming system but never with any details.

Straight Pool Report - I played a makeup match with a fine player in our league. He is a 5 and I am a 15 so I get 10 on the wire to 100. We are neck and neck at the 50+ mark and I was in mid collapse. I hung tight and tried to get my stroke going after a good period of time in the chair. during this time he did not have alot of real high runs but he was getting the shots and making some balls and not leaving me much, playing safe. Trying to get started I took a couple of flyers and payed the price he was upper 70s when I was still in the high 50's. I thought I was done for but I finally got a ball to go and I got a decent run put together (20) and then I had a 14, i had a couple of 1s and 2s along the way and I finished with a 9.

I win the match 100-90.

My matches are having a few 10 plus runs and usually a 15 to 20.

I hope to get a 30 soon maybe even the 41, I will let you know.

-------------------------------------------------------------

Tommorow - Bar Table Tournament - Columbus IN Lags Billiards

Wish Me Luck

elvicash
03-01-2008, 07:37 PM
OK getting a little closer. I just ran 30 on my home table so I got into the thrid rack rack a little bit (2 balls) I had to stretch for a low break ball on right side so I used a bridge and drew into the rack. I made the break ball but got a minimal spread only one ball for the side nearly straight in and 2 balls off the left corner. I debated to roll in the side and work the other two balls or draw into the rack after it in the side.

Of course I went for firing it in with draw and I hit the rack too thick and ran out of shots I did make the shot in the side. I am getting closer to the 41 and I must tell you I have ran quite a few 14 to 20 in my last few outings.

I also want to report I blew my last league match, a guy about my speed was my opponent so we played even. I had not hit any balls for about 5 days due to the flu. I get up and it just does not feel right. I went ahead and tried and it got going for a bit I got to 50 first I had my oponent down by 52 to about 40. Then the wheels fell off and I missed everything I shot at for about 10 innings including a couple of fouls. Score is now 50 to high 70 something I am stuck. I start making balls again but it was too late I loose 75 to 100.

After getting killed in that match I played a practice match to 50 with another fine league player. This gentleman plays a little better than I and has alot more knowledge of the game. I loose the lag (my break is getting better) He goes for something after the break and misses, I run 20 out of the gate which felt good. I still played streaky but wound up winning my match fifty to thirty something.

I will hope to report me running my age pretty soon so I can at least have a decent high run to report for the year.

elvicash
03-02-2008, 07:43 PM
Player another straight pool league match. I was a 15 my opponent was a 45 so I give him 30 going to a 100. I started bad and he beat me ever rack for the first 3 racks. 8-6,8-6 and 9-5. In those three racks he had a few scratches and I had one, the score was 52-16.

On rack four, I kicked it in and started making some balls and had some decent runs in the 10 to 14 ball range. I never ran more than 14 but I played safe well. My last inning started on 92 aqnd he broke his stick down after my first two shots, I told him not to shark me but he said he thought I would get out. I run th eight I needed.

I win the match 100-62

Bad shot of the match, I am in a rack on a short run have just broke the rack wide open 3 balls earlier, it looks dead easy to get to break shot. Cue ball is nearly mid table half way to corner is OB ball dead straight, I try to hit the OB full in the face and roll up about 6 inches to get shape to clean out foot rail. I hit the OB really soft but I missed the pocket quite badly. I do not know if the ball skidded or what but I was dead out that rack. This was the last easy shot I missed in the match, I missed a couple of more shots but they were all tougher shots.

I feel I missed the shot because because I hit it so soft with real slow follow. Real soft shots are something I can work on especially dead straight, I am trying to get away from hitting these shots firm, I have good success with that firm fractional tip high punch method but I am trying to develop some soft feel. My bridge does not have the same solid feel when I shoot soft. If you have any thoughts on soft shots please let me know.

I will continue to work on my high run at home hope to have that 41 real soon.

I need to work more when standing and planning. I need to plan that much more, weigh my options then commit to my shot. I need to make better decisions. I shoot well but go for too many hard shots with cue ball paths too long. When I restrain myself I play better.

My current state is I am making balls well when I feel the shot, I can get position and my cue ball is getting on a shorter string.

I will run my age - 41 balls and after that who know how many more.

dmgwalsh
03-02-2008, 09:02 PM
"My last inning started on 92 and he broke his stick down after my first two shots, I told him not to shark me but he said he thought I would get out. I run the eight I needed." Elvis


That was a bull shit move on his part. You should have just broken your cue down. When he does that, the match is over. He lost. He thought you would get out, but hoped he'd distract you into not getting out.

dmgwalsh
03-02-2008, 09:05 PM
He watched your run at google video? And made comments on every shot? That's awesome!
Did Ed handle the paper to you? If so, could you post it here? Such analysis could be as useful as John Schmidt commentating his 245 run. Because it shows process of decision making and pro's thinking.

Actually, he just had a few words on each shot as to whether I stroked it properly or poked it. One of his pet peeves. He says until I start stroking everything, I'll never learn how to control the cue ball.

elvicash
03-07-2008, 02:52 PM
I played league last night. My game was on but no real high run to speak off I just played pretty well. I played a 20 and I am a 15 so I gave him 5 balls going to 100.

I opened up with a 16 ball run. I just kept clearing the table. I dogged about 4 balls all night. I played safe well and I win 100 to 45.

I wish I could tie 4 racks together. That day is coming. Three has been reached 4 will come.

I have been practicing at home trying to get a new high run. I start with the center table break ball it is set one half ball dist to the side pockect. Cut it in 80 deg or so and split front two balls of the rack. I get a good spread this way and run lots of 12, 14 up to 20 or so. I just need to give myself 10 attempts a day rather than 10 a week. I mostly work on this on the weekend.

Also, I need to get on my website elvicash.com that will be coming soon to the internet near you.

elvicash
03-14-2008, 05:03 AM
Last night was the last night of league play. It was a position round where num 1 played 2 and 3 played 4. I was in good shape in 3rd place with 13 wins and quite a few others had 13 wins but I had the most total balls. If I win this match I going to be in 3rd place and get a plaque.

I went to the match pretty prepared and I took a lot of pictures. We all visited and kibitzed ahead of the match and were having a good time pre match. This league has been fun but I really wanted to win this match.

The match starts I loose the lag and break and have a nearly perfect break but I scratch in the UL corner pocket, the ball was fighting to stay up it was going so slow.

MY opponent (a good player about my speed who gave me 5 pts going to 100) gets up and fires make a ball but doesn?t make but one leaves me a pretty tough 80 deg angle on the end rail.

I get up and fire it in and spread the balls, clean off the table but do not get into the next rack the next rack. I play well the next couple of rack but then loose my focus.

I was distracted by something that happened in the room and totally quit playing the game. I just started shooting shots, trying to execute. I totally fell out of focus. I kept trying to get in stroke and the more I tried the worse I played. We were neck and neck when we both went into the 60's. I went for 3 key shots, spread the balls open and missed my shot each time. Of course my opponent got those balls and a few more besides each time basically beating in those 3 rack 14-0 or 11-3 so going into the last rack the score is 97-65. I loose the match 100-67 he gets the win and he played well on quite a few innings but I played poorly with no one to blame but myself.

I have reviewed my play in my head and can remember quite a few key problematic shots or innings that ended on my mistakes. Each of these were due to lack of plan with me trying to shoot a shot with no long term goal/plan in mind just trying to make the ball and get in this area or that no visualization and poor execution overall.

When my game falls apart I need to rebuild my game plan and evaluate the table that much more before starting my next inning. I need to identify groups, routes and sequences, key balls setup balls and break balls. After this I need to pick my shot, pick where I want the cue ball next including the path of CB as a line finishing on a point. Sight my OB, get behind the shot visualize this and then execute.

I can get back into stroke when I start missing. I simplify my stance and stroke, minimize the wrist and focus on staying with the shot. This execution mode reset is something I have in my game bag and it works pretty well.

I need to have a game reset switch. I need to realize when I am not playing the game and just shooting shots. When in this mode I quit clearing the table and run alot of 2s and 3s and 0s as well.

Game Mode - Look it over, Analyze, Identify, Pick/Select, Visualize - Execute. Repeat till victory is achieved.

Congrats to my opponent. I look forward to our next meeting where I WILL play better.

I will now focus on my hi-run goal. I will run 41 balls.

elvicash
03-16-2008, 08:03 PM
No runs to report.

Broke out some new balls and that feels totally different on the table.

Clean conditions make such a difference.

Ball cleaner is on order then we will be posting some weekly numbers till I get that 41.

elvicash
03-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Played a couple of matches with guys from the league.

Both are rated higher but we played even to 100. Both matches we played for the time and the pockets were tight neither table would take 2 balls in a corner pocket. I played well and won both matches. :D :D

I ran 22 in the match today then I came home and ran a 14 but had no break shot, racked them again and ran a 22 on the next attempt.

I am starting see the balls map out paths and am learning more of the execution repeatability. The ability to execute simple shots 1 after another and not do anything to make it hard is what I am working on curently. I have to work to keep it simple and then execute the next simple shot. I do not need to make showy shots, stop shots use the rails etc.

I am also working on playing safe.

The game keeps opening up.

I will run 41.

Williebetmore
03-20-2008, 06:50 AM
Last night was the last night of league play. .... I lose the match 100-67 he gets the win and he played well on quite a few innings but I played poorly with no one to blame but myself.



Cash,
Well, no dishonor in THAT. Your opponent is a former 70-some ball runner, who even played on the road for a short while. He had serious medical issues, which took away his ability to practice. Though he does not play his former speed; he occasionally catches a gear, then watch out.

Congratulations on a GREAT rookie season. You are definitely one of the better offensive players in the league (non-pro division), and I hope you are considering playing again next year.......after you stomped me TWICE this year, I must have revenge.....I think I should practice (my 5th place finish was my worst ever - too many swing changes during the season).

dmgwalsh
03-20-2008, 07:59 AM
Cash,


Congratulations on a GREAT rookie season. You are definitely one of the better offensive players in the league (non-pro division), and I hope you are considering playing again next year.......after you stomped me TWICE this year, I must have revenge.....

He stomped my butt up here at the IBC a month ago. Shoots pretty sporty. Didn't miss too many makeable shots.

I'm sure he will join up with you again. In fact, he may be joining the Illinois Billiard Club as a travelling member.

elvicash
04-06-2008, 04:38 PM
I was playing a fellow AZ'r today. we played two games to 100 and I lost them both first game 70-100 second game 92-100. That was the bad news.

The good news is I had a new hi run. I was feeling down due to the strong game of my competitor but out of the speakers came a sound which brought great power to my shooting arm, the dulcet tones of Cher's Greatest Hits. My play started to pick up and then on the 3rd or 4th song I cleaned off a table and and the next rack then when I got into the third rack I tried to preserve my run by picking off hangers and I did not go for the 45 deg cut shut I had on the third shot of the rack which was a little long but would have spread the rack open nicely, I had a similiar shot midway through the rack I get in some trouble and the run ends when I try to make too much out of a bad situation.

Note to self - long runs are made by taking the correct shot not just picking out outlying balls. Fix your trouble early.

Congrats WBM you played well today.

I will run 41 and then no telling when I will stop.....

elvicash
04-21-2008, 01:18 PM
Been working on my game.

Ran another 37.

The 20's keep coming so I will keep working on it.

Lost last 4 games I played even though I jumped out to alead in 3 out of 4 of them.

I get the comfortable lead feeling and foozle the game.

Must Bear Down. - - It is merciful to win quickly!!!!!

metallicane
04-22-2008, 06:31 AM
elvi -

Great thread, I have enjoyed following your progress. I have faith you will hit your goal. Keep up the hard work. I really like your persistency.

elvicash
04-22-2008, 12:22 PM
Ran 29 this AM before work. Third time I got into rack 3.

I was shallow on the break and drew into the rack cue ball stuck rack spread to end rail nothing up table. Kicked into rack go up table and back, trying a 5 ball combo with 3 froze space then 2 almost froze came close but no cigar.

I notice I do not get a lot of good break balls out of the intial break, I am getting better at bumping balls into the break area.

I get out of line on last 4 or 5 balls need to get better at KB2KB stop to KB stop killer break.

I seem to go one rail 2 rail to break shot to often, however ball speed is improving.

Slow less than full stroke ball pocketing is improving. Thanks for tips on that to Mr. Stan Shuffett.

41 is enroute.

Marop
04-22-2008, 12:34 PM
Ran 29 this AM before work. Third time I got into rack 3.

I was shallow on the break and drew into the rack cue ball stuck rack spread to end rail nothing up table. Kicked into rack go up table and back, trying a 5 ball combo with 3 froze space then 2 almost froze came close but no cigar.

I notice I do not get a lot of good break balls out of the intial break, I am getting better at bumping balls into the break area.

I get out of line on last 4 or 5 balls need to get better at KB2KB stop to KB stop killer break.

I seem to go one rail 2 rail to break shot to often, however ball speed is improving.

ISlow less than full stroke ball pocketing is improving. Thanks for tips on that to Mr. Stan Shuffett.

41 is enroute.

I believe you will run 42 by the end of May. When you get into the third rack just take the easiest route to clear all the balls, don't worry about a breakball unless it lays perfectly. After you reach your goal than you can go for 50 and than 100.

Good luck

elvicash
05-03-2008, 09:38 AM
Bill

Thanks for the kind support.
I will shoot the 41.
I need to play more so I have to elevate the priority of pool and try to get in at least 1000 balls a week.
I have been shooting about 200-300 balls/wk 14.1 maybe more trying to log play to guage my game.

I have been shooting some with the Bob Jewett log sheets .

Here is my Past shooting

4/16/8
8-6-15-4-10-3-3-4-5-13
Avg 7.1

4/16/8
8-17-5-8-11-10-5-11-23-5
Avg 10.3

4/17/8
12-17-6

4/20/8
7-13-7-21-9-37-7-7-13-12
Avg 13.3

4/22/8
29-6-2-2-13-9-31-16-2-2
Avg 11.2

4/22/8
4-2-5-11-3-2-27-14

4/23/8
10-10-7-6-14-11-11-7-11

No real 14.1 since been on the road for work

Got 2nd in bar tavble 8 ball race to 2 13 players in Ft. Wayne pretty decent quality of players

Nothing pool related since

Hope to play some this weekend but have a good long honey do list to take care of first.

L8r

dmgwalsh
05-07-2008, 06:40 AM
Been working on my game.



Must Bear Down. - - It is merciful to win quickly!!!!!

Ryan Elliott?;)

elvicash
05-07-2008, 07:23 PM
Ryan Elliott?;)

A long time ago in a different life I had those tapes

BTW - Thanks for converting and posting the DCC 14.1 video

dmgwalsh
05-08-2008, 06:55 AM
A long time ago in a different life I had those tapes

BTW - Thanks for converting and posting the DCC 14.1 video

check your hard drive in the pool section under audio. :D

You are welcome and thanks to you giving me the mpg files. :)

elvicash
05-19-2008, 09:04 AM
I have played very little in the last month. Working on the road alot and it is hard to focus after standing on concrete wearing steel toes for 12 hrs. I played a couple of times in GA last week but no straight pool mostly 8 or 9 ball. Enough *****ing about circumstances. I have to focus on my goal as I am 5 weeks from my B-Day 6/24/08.

I got up up this morning and ran a 25. I have to get out of the 2 rack runs into the third rack. I will play more this PM.

I will also be attending the WBM event with Danny D this weekend. Hopefully that will be inspirational and information and downright 14.1 exhilirating.

I will run the 41.

elvicash
06-06-2008, 07:45 PM
Took a lesson from Mr. Stan Shuffet.

I have been swamped with work so I have not played alot.

I have a 14.1 session coming up with WBM.

I hope to fire the 41+ and complete my goal.

I will let you know.

elvicash
06-12-2008, 06:25 AM
Have not broke out for 20 or more in 2 weeks. Have worked alot in the last 3 months and not played as much as I should have....

Getting close to my birthday (14 days). Got to get on it.

I need to play more but my stroke and game feel good I am paying alot more attention to fundamentals.

When it comes together it going to be good/solid so I will keep working.

BTW - I split with WBM the other day but neither of played super great.

I will run the 41 or more by my birthday 6/24/08.

elvicash
06-17-2008, 02:58 PM
Starting to play a little better. Ran a 23 and a 28 (came a short on keyball stroke leaving a 85 deg break shot which I missed) last night along with some other so so sub 20's. Need to get on the stick have a week to get in my 41.

I will run my age, 41, by my birthday 6/24/2008

metallicane
06-19-2008, 12:05 PM
Less than a week to go, take some time off and play. I want to see you hit your goal.

TSW
06-19-2008, 12:10 PM
Less than a week to go, take some time off and play. I want to see you hit your goal.

I would like to run my weight by my birthday. I either have to get a LOT better or stop eating altogether :(

You can do it, elvicash!

bluepepper
06-19-2008, 06:45 PM
Good luck elvicash. I hope you're not playing on tables that are too tough.

johntaggz88
06-19-2008, 11:44 PM
Good luck man. You're so close to getting it.

dmgwalsh
06-20-2008, 04:38 PM
I talked to him today and I think he will get it. Lots of 20s and 30s and getting very close to taking it down.

DW

elvicash
06-20-2008, 09:43 PM
Dennis and All - Thanks for the support. I am going to run these balls but time is getting short.

I would not say lots of 20's and 30's but some, quite a few under 28. I have a hard time getting into the third rack. I have had a dry spell since that lesson with Stan S in early June same as I had after my Scott Lee lesson. Too much going on in my head. I am executing better now. However, I am starting to fire on more cylinders. I have to get my head right when I play.

Tonight I played 20 plus efforts at a run starting with a break ball and going at it. I had 6 14's or higher but did not get to 20 on any of them. I was recording it and that did not help me I think. I missed the break ball on there about half the time. I had 3 runs in the 20's this week a 22,23 and 28. I will play a few hours tommorow hopefully 2x 3 hours each. Also SJM is in town at WBM's so I hope to get in a game with him.

I have to plan,execute and finish every shot. I have to be slow on my final backswing. I have to work on my stroke.

I will run 41 balls by my birthday 6/24/2008

elvicash
06-23-2008, 09:59 PM
Goal for age 41 was not reached. I am down just a little because I know I can run 3 racks of 14.1, I just need to run enough balls to make it happen. I really thought I would have had the 41, but it did not work out.

Last effort started around 10pm 6/23. I ran

13,3,11,4,8,18,10,18,9,18,7,10

I had problems getting it going on the second rack tonight, that has been a real problem for me. I get alot of 14's and 15s misisng the break ball or not getting a shot to get going in the 2nd rack.

Short term goal will be my age 42 before 6/24/2009. I will not post a hi run in the AZ billiards list until I make my 42 ball goal (I want to get on that list), I feel I will accomplish this goal pretty easily but some time in Aug/Sept. I am so swamped with other commitments right now, work and family etc. I have just not focused on this game with enough consistent focus to make it happen (all my fault no execuses). also, I need to get in a little better shape. I am going to start posting my weekly high run along with my current weight. I weighed 248 this AM, my weight goal is 199 lbs.

New primary goal will be 50 before the DCC. If I make this goal I will enter the Bob Jewett 14.1 event.

In review of the initial goal, I have had a few near misses, getting into the 3rd rack and putting together some low mid 30 runs including some 37's. I should have have focused on my goal rather than trying to play shape to get into the 4th rack but hindsight is pretty much 20/20.

My game has regressed in the last 3 weeks trying to fill in all of the knowledge I recieved from my last lesson. When it is working I am great but when I get in the left brain mode and out of the executin mode I dog it off.

My execution mode is much more repeatable when I am playing well. When I try to make it happen and do not let it happen, it is not so good. Information overload just kills my execution at times, other times I am getting positon and making balls much more precisely.

I am getting better at playing the game.

This next year, I want to play more games with others. Preferably with some ball runners so I can see some excellent play. I am going to challenge some better players, try to stay with the league and step up my game a notch or so.

since I plan on improving, if anybody wants to play some I will be posting where I am heading as I do travel alot. If you want to play some give me a PM.

This wk I will be in Ft. Wayne IN Tues thru Thurs Indy the rest of the week.

Blackjack
06-24-2008, 06:21 AM
Goal for age 41 was not reached. I am down just a little because I know I can run 3 racks of 14.1, I just need to run enough balls to make it happen. I really thought I would have had the 41, but it did not work out.

Last effort started around 10pm 6/23. I ran

13,3,11,4,8,18,10,18,9,18,7,10

I had problems getting it going on the second rack tonight, that has been a real problem for me. I get alot of 14's and 15s misisng the break ball or not getting a shot to get going in the 2nd rack.

Short term goal will be my age 42 before 6/24/2009. I will not post a hi run in the AZ billiards list until I make my 42 ball goal (I want to get on that list), I feel I will accomplish this goal pretty easily but some time in Aug/Sept. I am so swamped with other commitments right now, work and family etc. I have just not focused on this game with enough consistent focus to make it happen (all my fault no execuses). also, I need to get in a little better shape. I am going to start posting my weekly high run along with my current weight. I weighed 248 this AM, my weight goal is 199 lbs.

New primary goal will be 50 before the DCC. If I make this goal I will enter the Bob Jewett 14.1 event.

In review of the initial goal, I have had a few near misses, getting into the 3rd rack and putting together some low mid 30 runs including some 37's. I should have have focused on my goal rather than trying to play shape to get into the 4th rack but hindsight is pretty much 20/20.

My game has regressed in the last 3 weeks trying to fill in all of the knowledge I recieved from my last lesson. When it is working I am great but when I get in the left brain mode and out of the executin mode I dog it off.

My execution mode is much more repeatable when I am playing well. When I try to make it happen and do not let it happen, it is not so good. Information overload just kills my execution at times, other times I am getting positon and making balls much more precisely.

I am getting better at playing the game.

This next year, I want to play more games with others. Preferably with some ball runners so I can see some excellent play. I am going to challenge some better players, try to stay with the league and step up my game a notch or so.

since I plan on improving, if anybody wants to play some I will be posting where I am heading as I do travel alot. If you want to play some give me a PM.

This wk I will be in Ft. Wayne IN Tues thru Thurs Indy the rest of the week.

Don't be discouraged because you didn't hit the goal. It's not a failure, it's just an unaccomplished goal.

When you were here in Orlando back in December, remember how I tried to do the same thing for every rack - trying to remain consistent. I stayed within my comfort zone with break balls and key balls - and once I pocketed the break ball I examined the stack thoroughly - and identified secondary break shots. Once I got the balls open, it all came down to the patterns. I forget how many I ran that day, but I remember showing you that

a) staying in your comfort zone

and

b) dealing with trouble spots early


and

c) identifying the correct pattern to get on your set up ball, key ball, and break ball

would be the key to getting you from rack to rack to rack.

That won't change for you this year.

I have told you before, you have the ability and knowledge to run much more than 42 balls. You're knowledge is not keeping up with your execution skills. I would concentrate less on acquiring knowledge and focus more on applying what you already know.

Once you start applying that knowledge effectively, your execution will catch up with your knowledge. It's a balancing act.

Later today I will send you stuff to work on every day. Concentrate on executing the stuff I send to you, not on the numbers. Get back with me in a few weeks, or update us all on your progress through this thread - which IMO has been awesome to keep up with.

Williebetmore
06-24-2008, 06:37 AM
since I plan on improving.....

EC,
If you were really serious about improving, you would quit that damn day job.....how do you expect to improve while working for a living???? Doesn't make sense to me.

Definitely try to get over to Betmore's Basement Wednesday...you DEFINITELY need to see some of sjm's theories on "power patterns" for end of the rack 14.1; though I believe he "borrowed" the concept from Jack Colavita, he has embraced it to great advantage; it was a real eye-opener for me.

bluepepper
06-24-2008, 08:47 AM
you DEFINITELY need to see some of sjm's theories on "power patterns" for end of the rack 14.1; though I believe he "borrowed" the concept from Jack Colavita, he has embraced it to great advantage; it was a real eye-opener for me.

Willie, I hope you're not being sworn to secrecy with these patterns. Please share.

Williebetmore
06-24-2008, 09:15 AM
Willie, I hope you're not being sworn to secrecy with these patterns. Please share.

BP,
No secrecy involved; I am a FIRM believer in disseminating all information as widely as possible (an area where the champions of yesteryear FAILED MISERABLY in jealously guarding their secrets, MUCH to the detriment of the game). Kudo's to masters like Danny D., Jeanette Lee, George Breedlove, Grady Mathews who are willing to teach you anything and everything they know.

The reason I don't post the "power pattern" philosophy is that it would take hours to convert to cuetable format and describe in words. In addition, I understand it and utilize it quite poorly in comparison to sjm - I might just as well try to teach you nuclear physics (the brain surgery thing I could teach you).

If you make it to Betmore's Basement I will be sure to explain what I know. A better bet would be to visit sjm in NYC (though my basement is nicer).

bluepepper
06-24-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm with you on not keeping secrets. I didn't realize that a system could be as complex as you're describing. Sadly, I doubt I'll ever have a chance to get up there, or down there, to your basement.
Who is sjm by the way?
I will be at the World Straight Pool event in August if you plan on attending. You've got me insanely curious now. Am I flailing in vain without this info?

elvicash
06-30-2008, 06:47 PM
Birthday was not all bad. I might not have made my goal but my wife realized that I had a hard time flying with my cue so she bought me a sweet bag. It was from LL Bean it is a LARGE rolling duffle, come monogrammed (mine says FONTAINE) and will hold my Its George 2x4 which is what I use when I travel. Now I can check one bag not two with all these new foolish airline baggage changes. This duffle is advertised as 34" so it would hold about any case if you put it in the duffle first at an angle. It is really nice to see my wife supporting my game, this is really great. Some times eshe is not as supportive especially when I have been on the road alot.

I played some at WBM's house the other day with SJM. I would love to be able to play some with him once a week for about a year. My game would jell in no time. Mr. SJM might be one of the most knowledgable table management players I have ever met. It was great that he wanted to give all of the knowledge to me. I took alot of it in but I have work ahead of me. SJM really loves the game. Also he is world class at slow rolling the balls.

Let me tell you he has a plan and a method. It is so obvious when he is pointing out the current state of the table. After seeing the key parts of the table, the process becomes very straightforward. Now I need to learn to analyze in a similiar manner, select the proper shot and then execute.

BTW Execution is starting to work again. I need to play more but I am covered up with work and trying to buy a new building for my company.

No great runs to report I ran a 19 last night so I have not put anything in my book since my birthday. I weigh 249 as of Monday AM.

I will run my age which is 42

bluepepper
06-30-2008, 07:05 PM
Who is SJM? BTW, you and I would both be motivated to lose weight if we had to run our weight. I'm at 230.

elvicash
07-01-2008, 03:58 PM
Who is SJM? BTW, you and I would both be motivated to lose weight if we had to run our weight. I'm at 230.

I would love to run my weight. I will focus on that after I run my age.

sjm used to post here alot less lately. I do not think he is a famous player but he knows and has played with lots of the big name players. He WillieBetmores buddy from NYC. I met him for a few hours and just learned alot.

I played some last night and it was working the dynamic studied approach, perhaps you could call it power straight pool (his approach NOT my game last night). My execution was good but my shot selection was much better. I ran a 27 which is pretty good for me, I am home alone tonight so I hope to get in 3 or 4 good hours. We will see what happens.

Williebetmore
07-01-2008, 04:41 PM
I would love to run my weight. I will focus on that after I run my age. .

elvicash,
Your goals seem completely unrealistic for me....I can't run my freaking age, I can't run my freaking weight. I WILL run my hat size very soon.....I hope.

bluepepper
07-01-2008, 08:23 PM
Well, you two have me very intrigued. I'd like very much to know what sjm is teaching you. Or at least a sampler. Is he planning to write it out and sell the method? If you guys are saying it's a new and profound way of looking at the table, I would certainly pay something for it.

elvicash
07-01-2008, 09:14 PM
I doubt its new however it is strong. I could not say it is significantly different that what you would probably hear if you were to listen to two champions talking while watching two others play a match. When they talk about see he did that so he can do this etc....

Analysis, selection based on focusing an fixing any and all problems improving balls that not good or helpful. Creating break balls, creating key balls even if you already have break balls and or key balls. Opening the table to have more and more options rather than less options as the number of balls decrease.

Creating lanes, choosing shots based on the energy a given shot leaves in the Q ball or using a shot to take the energy out of the ball.

This two paragraph dialogue mentions nothing that has not been espoused on this board by any of the better teaching posters Blackjack comes to mind. What sjm promotes in his approach is do not be lazy, take all you can get out the shots as they present themselves. Make the most of looking at the table and planning. Look it over again afer your shot is complete to start planning the next play.

Nothing I mentioned is revolutionary but the way he explains it and he does have more details than I am giving makes it become more obvious. I only wish I could play with him occasionally so I could absorb more knowledge.

I do not think he is looking to sell anything but he likes to see the game played well and he gave me some much appreciated input and opened my eyes to a more focused apprach.

I played tonight ran a 29 (missed rack on break shot) and a 27 last night. I know my shots are getting easier because I am spending more energy on my patterns. I also execute much better than a did a year ago.

bluepepper
07-01-2008, 09:54 PM
Thanks elvicash. You cleared up a lot for me. I was under the impression that it was a new way of looking at the geometric shapes formed by the balls or even something mathematical.

I'm learning a ton here on this forum, and I'm always looking for that little something special that'll add another rack to my runs. It's amazing to me how the tiny bits of knowledge that I've accumulated here on the forum or discovered from practicing with the cuetable have bumped up my runs. I'm always on the lookout now.

I'd love for sjm to post some of his wisdom here. If not, I'd like to meet him and pick his brain.

elvicash
07-02-2008, 08:02 PM
I want to add one more thing to the SJM approach. I mentioned earlier that most of his items had been mentioned before however when Bruce Lee came out with his Jeet Kun Do it made use of much prior art from a myriad of other forms. Bruce brought it together and presented it in a strong understandable form and taught it to students. One key thought he had was "To Be Like Water", water is a very strong flowing material. It goes where it is easy and natural.

SJM's approach is similiar in that he takes in multiple known concepts and ties them together. He just explains it really well and in such a manner that it made me feel that I could bring those elements into my game. I could do a little more work and reap those benefits. If you ever get a chance to meet and learn from him I think you would see what I am talking about.

FYI - There is NOT a secret to pool 9B or 14.1. The more you work the more oppurtunities you find as you play. I am only now seeing what options there are available and I still miss noticing many but I am starting to work the game a little more.

I did not get to really play any tonight, I just hit a few balls.

bluepepper
07-02-2008, 08:38 PM
I like that. It actually makes a lot of sense to me. I'm a pretty spiritual dude. It sounds corny but I see straight pool as a meditation. I can go to the pool room and play alone for 7 hours without much thought going through my head. But I want to get to the point where it becomes an art, or a flow of water as you suggest. I actually got to that point with golf. I studied it for many years and now I can go to the range and just hit ball after ball almost without effort and with satisfying results. It was a frustrating sport for a long time, but once it all clicked, it just felt like it flowed.
Straight pool and tennis have now taken golf's place as the sports to master that flow. They're also much cheaper to play.

sjm
07-12-2008, 07:41 AM
I want to add one more thing to the SJM approach. I mentioned earlier that most of his items had been mentioned before however when Bruce Lee came out with his Jeet Kun Do it made use of much prior art from a myriad of other forms. Bruce brought it together and presented it in a strong understandable form and taught it to students. One key thought he had was "To Be Like Water", water is a very strong flowing material. It goes where it is easy and natural.

SJM's approach is similiar in that he takes in multiple known concepts and ties them together. He just explains it really well and in such a manner that it made me feel that I could bring those elements into my game. I could do a little more work and reap those benefits. If you ever get a chance to meet and learn from him I think you would see what I am talking about.

Thanks for the kind words. If you make it to NYC, we'll get together.

john schmidt
07-12-2008, 08:04 AM
i wish all us people who like 14.1 lived in same town .nothing inspires me more than to play with or in front of alot of knowledgeable players.i used to live in long island and i would come in and within a few innings run 100 or even over 200 somedays much to the delight of the players.i played that good because i knew they knew what they were watching is very hard to do and they appreciated what they were seeing.anyway i would love to live in ne someday because where i live when i run 200 the locals say that is easy you ought to try nascar or bass fishing .lol

Blackjack
07-12-2008, 10:52 AM
... because where i live when i run 200 the locals say that is easy you ought to try nascar or bass fishing .lol

John,

I ran 122 the other day and after I'm finished, this guy comes up and tells me, "There's nothing to that game. Just spread them out and shoot whatever ball you want into whatever pocket. There's nothing hard about that. A monkey could do it. That is why all the real players are playing one pocket."

:shrug:

I asked him if he wanted to play to a hundred for whatever...

He declined because he didn't want to waste his time "bangin' the balls".

:speechless:

Gotta love Florida.

:scratchhead:

Hal2
07-12-2008, 11:52 AM
John,

I ran 122 the other day and after I'm finished, this guy comes up and tells me, "There's nothing to that game. Just spread them out and shoot whatever ball you want into whatever pocket. There's nothing hard about that. A monkey could do it. That is why all the real players are playing one pocket."

:

Black jack,
I bet that guy will soon try to run a few racks at straight pool, only to discover it may be more difficult than you made it look.

Best Regards,
Hal

bluepepper
07-12-2008, 02:23 PM
John,

I ran 122 the other day :

So you're out of your sub-100 slump, huh? Nice.

Blackjack
07-12-2008, 03:58 PM
So you're out of your sub-100 slump, huh? Nice.

I must have been doing something right. I ran a 112 immediately afterwards, and I hit 86 and 92 earlier in the afternoon. Not sure if the slump is over, I haven't been over 70 since.

predator
07-13-2008, 07:19 AM
I ran 122 the other day and after I'm finished, this guy comes up and tells me, "There's nothing to that game. Just spread them out and shoot whatever ball you want into whatever pocket. There's nothing hard about that. A monkey could do it. That is why all the real players are playing one pocket."

:shrug:

I asked him if he wanted to play to a hundred for whatever...

He declined because he didn't want to waste his time "bangin' the balls".

:speechless:

Gotta love Florida.

:scratchhead:
LOL
I'm sure you could destroy him at one pocket too. If he was really that good at his game, he wouldn't say those stupid things.
I'm no expert, but whenever I hear a player say that straight pool is easy with lots of options, then I know that the guy cannot play any pool game well.

elvicash
07-13-2008, 08:12 AM
Been working alot. Not much pool July shutdown is a busytime for me as the factories are closed and I get alot of work at that time.

I have been working on alignment and stroke. My pocketingt is getting pretty clear.

I have tried to find more dynamic plays when I play but that will be a work in progress for a while.

Stay with me I will run 42 balls

elvicash
07-22-2008, 09:38 AM
I am on vacation in San Francisco with my family. I PM'd Bob Jewett to see if he would have time to play. We met at Shorelines Billiardand he suggested a game to 300. We played on a 9' Medallist Blue Cloth clean TV Super Pro balls.

He wins the lag, I break and it is ~ 50-6 before I really feel a stroke at all. When he gets to 150 I am sitting on 95. Then I hit a wall and dog it for a bit. He winds up beating me 300-161.

I asked him what I need to work on he mentioned patterns and shooting softer.

My feeling on the game was ball pocketing was adequate but I did loose my focus a couple of times. I need to SEE better patterns.

Bob, thanks for the game. I might ask for a rematch at the DCC.

elvicash
08-25-2008, 06:34 PM
I wish I was in Jersey watching the 14.1 right now. Since I am home I am going to go down and hit some balls tonight. I have not been having any real hi runs to speak of but my ball pocketing is going better.

I think the Scott Lee / Stan Shuffett training is starting to take effect. I need to do more of their drills but I find myself playing alot.

I played a couple of sessions with a local 14.1 player. He crushed me on the first day. I win 2 of 3 on day 2. I found I collapsed near the end on both games I won, I had a lead, get near to the end of the game and fell right out of stroke, I still got the win on those games. The first game that day I just got crushed. I will be playing some more soon and will start posting the results.

The fundamental I am working on right now is my normal speed stroke. I am trying to get a single solid stroke about a 3 speed (Scott Lee) which I will hit most of my shots with in straight pool. Up till now in my on and off pool career I have used a custom stroke for every shot, I have used max bottom and max high alot and then adjusted the stroke stroke to get my desired effect. Now I am going to use the same stroke as much as possible, to differentiate my stroke I will focus on setting the tip up down left right as needed (less is more) to accomplish 50% or more of my pool shots.

I am also still working on alignment and pocket speed for soft shots.

I need to work on taking off the balls a little easier. Some players make that look sooooo easy and I love testing my shot selection as I watch the videos, I still find I do not pick the shots they pick often enough yet.

I watched Blackjacks commentary on Niels 130 today and justed wanted to thanks Neils for a great run and Blackjack for taking the time to add his insight to it.

FYI - I posted a run by Marop on You Tube he got a 66 on video
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk6_f8vMblY
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B689VjynUUQ

Keep stroking.....

bluepepper
08-26-2008, 07:18 PM
Elvicash, Bill told me you had put his run up on you tube. It's a nice smooth run. He told me he played well today against Oliver Ortmann. Had him down for a bit before Ortmann came back to win at about 100-55.

He plays Hopkins tomorrow along with the loveliest straight pool player I ever beheld, Yu Ram Cha. Wow!

elvicash
10-04-2008, 03:46 PM
Marop is good people. I have not posted forever and a day. I have been in a slump and not felt like playing but that is changing so hopefully I will be putting together some runs hopefully on video.

We will see.

dmgwalsh
10-04-2008, 05:46 PM
Marop is good people. I have not posted forever and a day. I have been in a slump and not felt like playing but that is changing so hopefully I will be putting together some runs hopefully on video.

We will see.

Marop has been running 50s every other day. He sent me two of them last week. Nice and smooth and simple.

Go get 'em Dana.

elvicash
11-13-2008, 08:20 PM
I have had some serious items going on with work so my straight pool effort has really slacked, I have been playing in a 14.1 league and an 8 ball league. My work issues are now resolving so we can see if we can get back to some serious straight pool.

Also I am back from refreshing outing with our own WBM, we went to partake in the Archer/Strickland road show and it was pretty good times. The info was good as well.

I want to announce to the world that Mr Strickland has still got a monster stroke. I am talking the real King Kong kind of gorilla kind of stroke. I got some video but do not know what can be seen on it so we will have to check it out I might post it but I do not think I had a good angle so I will let you know.

For any who are intered in learning. Both Archer and Strickland were class acts, each had their own style, no doubt Earl was Earl but let me tell you it was good, better than I expected. If you get a chance give them guys a shot at helping you out. We all could learn something and these guys put the rubber on the road and help make it happen.

Dana from Indy

elvicash
11-22-2008, 01:16 PM
Hitting the balls very solidly

Had a few 20 plus ball runs lately

Need to get in to that third rack

Confidence is small

elvicash
11-30-2008, 09:51 PM
Played some in the last few days. Did not have any hi runs.
Tues Played a league Match gave up 35 going to 100. Win 100-67. I think I had a 3 runs 14 or more but no 20's
Wed - Thur No balls hit
Fri - Played in a 8 ball tourney with a wide range of players. Played like a donkey. Gambled some played better won a few dollars so I broke even for the day.
Sat Played 3.5 hrs of 9 ball on a tight diamond focus came and went
Sun Posted something and heard I should be playing more so I can run my 42. I got down to the basement and shot 100 plus ate lunch did some drills over an hour and half played some 14.1 later no good runs.

Ball pocketing is getting pretty decent need to work on my stop shots and patterns slightly out of line at the end of my rack keeps killing me. I can run a rack and half alot but I do not successfully keep in line those last 4 or 5 balls of a rack. I need to be more disciplined on pattern planning.

I have 8 ball league this Mon and 2 14.1 matches my normal Thur league and a makeup match with a strong player on Tues nite. He will play me 135 to 95 with me going to 95. He and I are the only ones left in the league undefeated this season. I need to be disciplined. He is a better overall player but is new to straight pool so he gets his balls and ducks. He is a pretty strong 9 ball 1p player and an excellent banker think he got around 15th or so last year at the DCC in the bank tourney, Busty put him out.

Marop I will tray to play more. I shoot close to 400 or 500 balls of 14.1 a week, I need that to be closer to 1500 like you. Stan Shuffet told me every time I practice I should shoot at least 20 racks which is 280 balls.

I will run 42 balls I need to focus on this goal.

Solartje
12-01-2008, 04:58 AM
good luck dana !

i sure got to admire your dedication.

just a 2c hint to run more. Try to find a secundary breakball as soon as possible. opening the pack twice with the first 5 balls really helps getting more open and easyer racks to runout.

Table managment is in my opinion the most important thing to running high runs in straightpool. just like you I often chose the wrong sequence, and my high run is also stuck in the 30's.

good luck with beating your high run!

dmgwalsh
12-01-2008, 05:10 AM
Played some in the last few days. Did not have any hi runs.
Tues Played a league Match gave up 35 going to 100. Win 100-67. I think I had a 3 runs 14 or more but no 20's
Wed - Thur No balls hit
Fri - Played in a 8 ball tourney with a wide range of players. Played like a donkey. Gambled some played better won a few dollars so I broke even for the day.
Sat Played 3.5 hrs of 9 ball on a tight diamond focus came and went
Sun Posted something and heard I should be playing more so I can run my 42. I got down to the basement and shot 100 plus ate lunch did some drills over an hour and half played some 14.1 later no good runs.

Ball pocketing is getting pretty decent need to work on my stop shots and patterns slightly out of line at the end of my rack keeps killing me. I can run a rack and half alot but I do not successfully keep in line those last 4 or 5 balls of a rack. I need to be more disciplined on pattern planning.

I have 8 ball league this Mon and 2 14.1 matches my normal Thur league and a makeup match with a strong player on Tues nite. He will play me 135 to 95 with me going to 95. He and I are the only ones left in the league undefeated this season. I need to be disciplined. He is a better overall player but is new to straight pool so he gets his balls and ducks. He is a pretty strong 9 ball 1p player and an excellent banker think he got around 15th or so last year at the DCC in the bank tourney, Busty put him out.

Marop I will tray to play more. I shoot close to 400 or 500 balls of 14.1 a week, I need that to be closer to 1500 like you. Stan Shuffet told me every time I practice I should shoot at least 20 racks which is 280 balls.

I will run 42 balls I need to focus on this goal.


Dana -Undefeated?! Excellent. Keep it going.
I had a few 20 somethings against Eddy Saturday, a 26 Thursday and unfinished runs of high 20 and low 30s last Monday at Red Shoes. The clod I played messed up the balls I was shooting as his way of conceding.
Keep the faith.

Dennis

unicorncomputer
12-01-2008, 10:34 AM
You should check out the 14and1.com league setup that Selftaut started. It is handicapped and has a nationals event in Atlantic City. This is the second year for it.

Lots of fun. Lots of great people and players.

elvicash
12-01-2008, 11:55 AM
good luck dana !

i sure got to admire your dedication.

just a 2c hint to run more. Try to find a secundary breakball as soon as possible. opening the pack twice with the first 5 balls really helps getting more open and easyer racks to runout.

Table managment is in my opinion the most important thing to running high runs in straightpool. just like you I often chose the wrong sequence, and my high run is also stuck in the 30's.

good luck with beating your high run!

Thanks for the support. I hope to have something good to report back before the end of the year.

Also, I agree with the playing into a secondary break shot thing when the balls are still clustered. Also on the table management thing.

I am playing pretty well at times and am streaky at times. I find when playing a game I loose focus after about an hour and half and have to force myself to refocus. When I loose focus I loose grasp of the fact I need to play the game and shoot the balls. I get into this shooting state and loose track of the table management. quality time planning makes the game so much easier.

Glad to report I play better this year than last and I think I will get the 42 I just need to hit more balls.

elvicash
12-03-2008, 06:10 AM
Played the league match it did not work out to my adavantage.

The game was -40 to +5 I had the 5 ball head start.

Final score 100-88.

I played so so at best I hung a bunch of balls in bottom left corner pocket leaving fairly open layouts when I missed.

I look forward to playing my next match.

elvicash
07-08-2009, 10:57 AM
I am 43 now as of June 24th. That is 3 racks plus a break ball.
This will be my year.

I did not attend this thread at all for over 6 months. Where did the time go. I have to work on my goal.

I will start posting some runs.

dmgwalsh
07-08-2009, 11:05 AM
I am 43 now as of June 24th. That is 3 racks plus a break ball.
This will be my year.

I did not attend this thread at all for over 6 months. Where did the time go. I have to work on my goal.

I will start posting some runs.

Me and Bill were talking about this last month. You only had a few days to hit your 42.

I think you work too much.

You need to quit working and work on your pool game.

stevekur1
07-08-2009, 01:58 PM
I Try not to set my high run goal too high, i strive to beat my last highest run. My High run is 119, so if i run a 120 I'm good with that; any more than that is a bonus !:smile:

so with that in mind i do not put the run too far out of reach !

Steve

dmgwalsh
07-08-2009, 03:37 PM
I Try not to set my high run goal too high, i strive to beat my last highest run. My High run is 119, so if i run a 120 I'm good with that; any more than that is a bonus !:smile:

so with that in mind i do not put the run too far out of reach !

Steve

Steve:

why don't you get your video camera going and get us a new high "short run of 32".

Dennis

elvicash
07-08-2009, 04:36 PM
I don't think 43 is out of reach, I run 20+ pretty often when I play, now DMG is right I do not play enough. I run a 20+ maybe twice every three games to a 100 or so I ussually have 14 or more every game.

About my goal, I have ran 37 3 times none of them lately but not that long ago either. I would like to run my age I do not think that is out line, now my weight, that would be a different thing entirely. I need to go ahead and post some video.

I do not play much but when I hit the ball every day for a week a straight I get it going a little bit. I play a little behind WBM but we come out on games 60-40 with him getting the nod. I might hit the ball a little better than DMG but his pattern selection is much better. His stroke look better lately at least on video. Dennis I have a tip for you on that stroke trainer I have one too and we need to talk.

I think my weakest point is definitly in the planning portion of the game specifically patterns, shot selection etc.
My execution phase is hampered by minor aligment issues and a tendancy to shoot firmer than required. I am working on staying down and checking my tip.

I know I can run 43 I just need to do it so I am getting off here and am headed to the table right now.

elvicash
07-08-2009, 07:15 PM
Ran a 24 played a about an hour. Playing now with an OB2. Balls are falling watch out.

elvicash
08-13-2009, 02:58 PM
Ran a 29 today on a 9' Olhausen. Have not been playing much. Played last week a quick game with SJM he crushed me but it is always inspirational to be around him (100-46 I think). Thanks for letting me rack :grin: . WBM is picking up speed and DMG ran 57 up in Chi town.

I got to keep at it, need to play every day but always seem to find other things jumping in front of pool.

I played Andy from the league the last two Mondays he won both times and I could not stay focused on the game. I need to get some more head phones as I listen/hear all of the conversations in the pool room and do better when I just hear the music.

Scott Lee came through Indy a week or so ago and I was in N.C. working so I missed him. :frown: Scott try and call again next time you are passing through, if you call ahead I might be able to hook you up with a student.

Current state of the game for me. Stroke is good, ball pocketing is getting there. Trying to work on level cue and seeing patterns with shorter/simpler cue routes. I am making break balls pretty well. I have gotten spoiled with a ball cleaner and dirty equipment is now rougher on my game.

berlowmj
08-13-2009, 07:02 PM
I am 41 years old.

My birthday is June 24.

My goal is to run my age before my next birthday.

In practice or competition, I do not care which.

I currently claim my hi run as 14.

I will revisit this thread as the year progresses.

How long should one be playing before it is reasonable to expect to run a rack, 2 racks...

How does one measure progress in terms of runs?

Bob Jewett
08-13-2009, 07:53 PM
How long should one be playing before it is reasonable to expect to run a rack, 2 racks...

How does one measure progress in terms of runs?
Joe Bachelor was said to have run 100 after six months of playing. I ran 20 after about a year and 50 after about 4 years, but that 50 was the first run of 50 that I had ever seen.

As far as keeping track of runs, when I do my standard practice (begin from a standard good break shot, rerack when you miss), I keep track of runs and averages. I do 10 turns at a time to make the math easier.

berlowmj
08-13-2009, 09:30 PM
Joe Bachelor was said to have run 100 after six months of playing. I ran 20 after about a year and 50 after about 4 years, but that 50 was the first run of 50 that I had ever seen.

As far as keeping track of runs, when I do my standard practice (begin from a standard good break shot, rerack when you miss), I keep track of runs and averages. I do 10 turns at a time to make the math easier.

Thank you. I feel less hopeless now.

elvicash
08-13-2009, 10:22 PM
Joe you do have to work on it and I do not do that enough. I am starting to see patterns pretty well and that brings on working through a rack for me. If you just go to shooting easy shot to easy shot which is how I started on 14.1 you run out of shots real quick. This is a game of precision and short cue ball paths with lots of stop shots and hitting the balls pretty thick. Read this forum especially anything from Blackjack SJM Lipsky etc look at Bluepeppers run this and see the replys set up some of those outs and work on it. Set up 3-5 balls that play naturally into a break shot shoot them off and break the rack. Also spread all the balls out and try to just run the entire table with out touching a rail. Try to stop or forward more than drawing especially drawing from a long distance or drawing to a spot a long distance.Shoot soft a lot if you can, this is a problem for me. TIP - Oh yeah a good player from Chicago Bob Cozzolino (I know I butched his name sorry Bob) told me, "You have to make the ball, have to make the ball, have to make the ball" so do not forget that either.

I wish you luck buddy, this game is rewarding when you stick with it the balls/runs will come.

dmgwalsh
08-14-2009, 08:41 AM
TIP - Oh yeah a good player from Chicago Bob Cozzolino (I know I butchered his name; sorry Bob.) told me, "You have to make the ball, have to make the ball, have to make the ball" so do not forget that either.

I wish you luck buddy, this game is rewarding when you stick with it the balls/runs will come.

Dana: Your spelling is perfect. I was talking to Rich Griffin at the Illinois Billiard Club and he said Bob told him:

and another thing....DON'T MISS... DO NOT MISS!!

elvicash
08-19-2009, 06:16 AM
I went up to see WBM yesterday. Had a good time, always do.

Started out with a warmup drill basically straight in with power draw missed alot of balls, action not so good, tip finishing left. Hit a few good ones but low percentage.

Played a game of 14.1, did not do so well. I was focusing in on staying level and shooting softer. I miss a lot of balls when I try to shoot soft I do not understand it so I guess it means I need to hit more balls soft until they start going. Don wins 100 to mid 50 something. Not to self - Hit more balls Elvī.

After the game we played some taking turns a shot at a time and I see now why Don wins with me 70% of the time or more. He thinks about the game alot better. WBM thanks I got alot out of that and I hope we do more of it, if I can start making some better decisions the game will open up for me.

I will try to start posting some run numbers, I guess a ran a 7 yesterday, wow that did not feel so bad to admit that, not so good either. Now I got to go hit some more balls I know I have an 11 in me.

metallicane
08-19-2009, 06:23 AM
Keep it up Elvi, you'll get it done.

grindz
08-19-2009, 09:43 AM
........................Played a game of 14.1, did not do so well. I was focusing in on staying level and shooting softer. I miss a lot of balls when I try to shoot soft I do not understand it so I guess it means I need to hit more balls soft until they start going. .................................................. ....


Just an FYI, in case you aren't aware. If you already know this, don't be offended, as I don't know what your knowledge base is. Shooting soft allows many factors into the shot that aren't nearly as important when you shoot harder, like.... ball skid, friction from dirty balls, throw, etc. Those factors can make a shot miss, where the exact same shot done with more speed will go in. Hope that helps. If you already know this, maybe others that don't can take note. Good luck.

td

Bob Jewett
08-19-2009, 11:06 AM
J ... Shooting soft allows many factors into the shot that aren't nearly as important when you shoot harder, like.... ball skid, friction from dirty balls, throw, etc. Those factors can make a shot miss, ...
I partly agree with this, but we have the counter example from carom billiards of large runs at balk line where nearly all shots are soft and the positions of all three balls are typically controlled to within an inch (by champions such as Caudron).

I think the problem of shooting softly is much larger with bad equipment. Keep the balls and cloth clean, and have the table leveled properly. And get a table that can remain level.

grindz
08-19-2009, 12:23 PM
and enjoy having you here posting, but I was just trying to help someone out. I'm not sure why it needs to go beyond that, but to each their own.

Do you think that somehow I was misleading or providing false information?
Just curious, or I would let it go w/out response.

Best wishes.

td

elvicash
08-19-2009, 01:24 PM
Thanks td and Bob both for the tips. td I know Bob and I think he is just trying to help me improve, he is familiar with my tendancy to shoot firm when soft would be better.

Bob I am mostly playing at WBM's, local rooms and my house all of the locations we play on Gold Crowns usually with Simonis 860 balls are Super Aramith or Centineals, WBM and I both have ball cleaners ballstars the local rooms do not really have ball cleaners to speak of so the equipment I believe is pretty good.

I tend to not hitthe object ball thick enough, usually I roll too far and miss the ball. I have pretty good ball speed when shooting a Scott Lee 3 speed or higher if you know what I am talking about. I will definitely have pretty good ball speed firm going 2 or more rails I have good general knowledge of landing and line when shooting firm.

When I am cutting a ball 5-15 deg have any distance to the cue ball and want to kill the rock while shooting soft I lose my touch.

I am going to do some drills and set up situations to get past this but for now I have a weak spot in shooting soft and not being level. I will work on these and they will become stronger areas for me.

As far as how I play I td I CANNOT beat anybody that is a real pool player but I can give the rest a pretty good game more some times than others. So I can play a little, I won my straight pool league last year with a zero handicap most of our players get 20 plus balls going to a hundred some as many as 60 only a couple of player have a negative handicap. I was on a Valley team and we got 2nd place in our league, I was second strongest player on the team and played pretty welll most of the year. I have ran 2 packs of 8 ball before and put together 2 or 3 racks of 9 ball now and again on a bar table. Years back when I played a little more (I quit for 10 years) I ran a 5 pack on an 8 ft table so that is my high run in those games. I am trying to run my current age of 43 in straight pool. I make the balls pretty good but I do not manage the game very well.

Thanks for following the thread.....

grindz
08-19-2009, 02:39 PM
Thanks td and Bob both for the tips. td I know Bob and I think he is just trying to help me improve, he is familiar with my tendancy to shoot firm when soft would be better........

..............................
Sounds like you are well on your way! :thumbup: I am not anywhere near Bob's knowledge base, but can play a little. I was only trying to offer up that info. as I had never really been aware of much of that when I played while I was younger. Now that I have a few years under my belt, I've tended to notice all those little tidbits that can help me miss (as if I need help). One of the major ones is the slow rolling cut shot, and how often it skids, and/or overthrows, undercuts. Watch any pro match, and count how many times they slow roll a cut on the 9 ball, or game ball (almost never). There is a real reason for that. JMO

...................................

When I am cutting a ball 5-15 deg have any distance to the cue ball and want to kill the rock while shooting soft I lose my touch.

......................................

Drag / follow shot may be a good solution here.

.................................................. ......

I am going to do some drills and set up situations to get past this but for now I have a weak spot in shooting soft and not being level. I will work on these and they will become stronger areas for me.

.................................................. ....................
tap tap... Can't hurt to experiment a little. Good luck

.................................................. ........................
As far as how I play I td I CANNOT beat anybody that is a real pool player but I can give the rest a pretty good game more some times than others. So I can play a little, I won my straight pool league last year with a zero handicap most of our players get 20 plus balls going to a hundred some as many as 60 only a couple of player have a negative handicap. I was on a Valley team and we got 2nd place in our league, I was second strongest player on the team and played pretty welll most of the year. I have ran 2 packs of 8 ball before and put together 2 or 3 racks of 9 ball now and again on a bar table. Years back when I played a little more (I quit for 10 years) I ran a 5 pack on an 8 ft table so that is my high run in those games. I am trying to run my current age of 43 in straight pool. I make the balls pretty good but I do not manage the game very well.

Thanks for following the thread.....

.................................................

Sounds like you have some game!! :thumbup: Keep up the good results. We ALL have our own little rough spots.... I have more than my share :wink: Hope you hit your goal! I only posted after I saw your first post in this LONG thread, and it reminded me of my past goals... so I thought I'd try and help. Time for me to work on mine!! LOL

td

Williebetmore
08-20-2009, 09:08 AM
Just a general note: I'm very hopeful that the equipment in Betmore's Basement will allow me to hit the cue ball whatever speed the shot at hand requires (ultra-soft, medium, or warp speed). Complaints about the equipment are rare (2 in 6 years, duly noted and corrected as well as possible).

I believe that almost all old school 14.1 players are correct in saying that you definitely want to hit the balls as slowly as possible to still accomplish your positioning goals. As grindz points out correctly; if equipment is poor, then a firm stroke is definitely necessary to pocket the ball; but achieving position will be more difficult on many shots if you must always shoot firmly to allow pocketing - I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SPEND MUCH TIME PLAYING ON SUCH EQUIPMENT. I believe elvicash is often guilty of hitting the ball at more than "pocket speed" when position does not require it (just like me and many other amateur players - it is not something we have incorporated into our game so that it is automatic).

Straight pool is a game that DEMANDS precise positioning if it is to be played at a high level. On many shots a "slow roll" is the only way to achieve position, and on many more shots the slow roll is a far superior option to a hard "stun forward" or "stun backward" shot. One pocket afficionado's will also confirm the vital necessity of mastering the "slow roll", it is a mandatory weapon in the great player's arsenal. If a shot must be struck firmly to obtain position, then by all means strike it firmly (but play for angles on break shots and secondary break shots that have decent angles so you do not HAVE to strike it so firmly).

A lesson with Danny D. or Grady Mathews or Jeanette Lee or sjm (and I suspect with Bob Jewett as well) will confirm that this shot must be available as it is often the only option or the preferred option for obtaining position.

My last bit of observation is that elvicash can become a great player. I have an instructor that believes I can eventually run 100 balls. My opinion is that if I can, then elvicash can too; he has the desire and the commitment to focused practice that can get him there if he can find enough time to pursue it (that danged day job continues to interfere with his pool addiction). He has firepower.

grindz
08-20-2009, 09:31 AM
you guys have me renewing my goal for the year. Unfortunately my equipment penalizes slow rolling cut shots.... so I'll have to do things the hard way. :wink:

Good luck on all your goals!

td

Williebetmore
08-20-2009, 12:13 PM
you guys have me renewing my goal for the year. Unfortunately my equipment penalizes slow rolling cut shots.... so I'll have to do things the hard way. :wink:

Good luck on all your goals!

td

G-man,
You have our sympathy. Playing on well-maintained, high quality, regularly cleaned equipment is one of life's great pleasures for the true fanatic.

Playing on bad equipment is not a total waste, however (I am going to assume you are regularly subjected to bar table play on something less than a Diamond). You will soon master those very difficult "stun forward" and "stun backward" shots (or perhaps you have already; but even pro's have difficulty with them).

In case you haven't achieved total mastery yet; this is the way a prominent professional practices them: Set up a table length, straight in shot with the object ball just past the side pocket, and the cue ball a few inches off the near rail (shooting towards the far corner). Now make the object ball with a very firm stroke and have the cue ball replace the object ball (ie. one balls width further than a stop shot - requires a hit very slightly above center). Then shoot the same shot and have the cue ball move forward one more balls width past the object ball, then 2 balls width past, then 3 balls width (each requiring a very slightly higher strike on the vertical axis of the cue ball).

Such control of speed and such command of the cue tip (allowing you to repeatedly hit the exact spot on the vertical axis of the cue ball with a very firm stroke) is a very advanced skill; one that will stand you in good stead no matter the type of equipment on which you play. On better equipment, you will see that those shots; 2, 3, 4 ball widths past the object ball are much easier to achieve correct position with a slower roll; but it is great to be able to do it both ways (it's just that slower is better - better percentage of achieving exact position, better pocketing percentage with the object ball moving slower).

Anyway, if you are ever in Indy; you should stop by Betmore's Basement, it is hopefully a step up from the equipment on which you are playing.

elvicash
08-21-2009, 09:12 PM
Betmore thanks for the post. Show me the stun forward you speak of next time we play, but I am truly trying to shoot a little more soft and level and of course to think a little better.

Warning to all who enter Betmores basement, beware conditions are very good. Modern Goldcrown, new Pro balls, month old broken in Simonis 860 cloth. Equipment is clean. Excellent tunes if you like a range of quality rock songs (not much country though) some other music might be found as well.

Here is the bad news not much in the way of sugar based pop and you have to serve youreself. Of course the second item is the extremely high security precations currently in place, this is due to the fact that the Betmore Cup is currently residing there and has been for a while. Not to brag but I have seen the Betmore cup personally and it is quite the trophy.

All in all Betmore's basement give mine 40 balls going to 100. And his wife is a fine cook too.

sjm
08-22-2009, 07:41 AM
.... Warning to all who enter Betmores basement, beware conditions are very good. Modern Goldcrown, new Pro balls, month old broken in Simonis 860 cloth. Equipment is clean ......

.... which stinks, because when you dog it, you can't blame the equipment.

Williebetmore
08-22-2009, 08:58 AM
Not to brag but I have seen the Betmore cup personally and it is quite the trophy.

All in all Betmore's basement give mine 40 balls going to 100. .

ec,
I'm very disappointed that you've seen fit to divulge information about the location and security precautions surrounding "the Cup". I suppose I am now obligated to hire another full-time security guard/goon or two to protect this priceless trophy....oh well.

I would say that your pool room is superior in several ways to mine - better stereo system, better pool library (I have almost every book written about pool, you have EVERY book I think), better cooking (my wife's cooking is always interesting and often edible, you guys offer gourmet quality everything), better service (I am too damn lazy to have anything other than self-service; deal with it), unshimmed pockets.

Having said all of that, I wouldn't trade my poolroom for anyone else's (including our professional friend's somewhat gaudy pool room) - it suits my needs.

P.S. - I did buy a 12-pack of regular Coke on Thursday (I couldn't remember if you were the one that likes Dr. Pepper). Hope you can make it over next week for Mark Wilson's visit.

elvicash
08-23-2009, 05:27 AM
Elvi will be going to Burning man 2009

Now I do not know much about Burning Man but I was invited so I am going. it is supposed to be a different way of life or mindset. I am trying to make this more of an event than 7 or 8 days in the desert. I did have a side kick but reality got in the way and they backed out so now I can go visit friends and family across the nation.

I am taking a long drive cross country for this event. I have not selected the exact route yet. I will probably stop to hit balls a time or two. Anybody have any suggestions on must stop pool halls or whatever let me know.

Curr route is Indy leave Thurs AM go through Denver and arrive Reno by Sat PM. This could be 2 days but the extra day should give me time to do a thing or two on the way.

Sun Reno prep for Burning Man primarily groceries.

Mon - Mon Burning Man probably not going to be offering out any cues or cases might have some used chalk I could give out to any who needs some drilled out cubes. (elvi does not like drilled out chalk) I guess I should share something good but that is what i have to share in the way of pool equipment.

From BM probably head out to Vacaville CA then down to SF check out a person or two including hopefully Bob J himself, then down through Death Valley to Vegas maybe try to look in on Fatboy.

From Vegas to Pheonix hopefully check out Grand Canyon and Hoover Dam and some Pheonix rooms.

then drive on to Lubbock TX, my Dad has a club called Jakes, coldest beer in Lubbock so I will be there a day or two.

Then on home maybe the long way Dallas, Shreveport, Memphis, Nashville, Bowling Green and Russell Springs, KY back to Indy.

This route is subject to change. I will be taking an old laptop, digital camera and video equipment, George case with a Scruggs bar stick and OB2 shaft (I like OB2) and Mike G breeak stick. I will try to hit a local tourney or two along the way.

Post up if I should stop anywhere along the way. I want to hits some pool balls in most states I drive through. I will be taking a GPS.

Yet again if there is a table on the playa I want to hit some balls. If i like BM and I find no table this year I might have to take a table in the future at least a Valley Bar Box.


Trip Route is open and subject to change at first whim

Dave Nelson
08-23-2009, 06:21 AM
I'm 83 and my high run, about 35 years ago playing my son on my 8 ft. Brunswick VIP is 29. I would like to run my age before I turn 84, but I'd be happy with a 30. My best on a 9 ft. table is 24 about a year ago and I had a 27 on the 8 ft. a couple of months ago. My goal for today is just to beat Half-fast Larry. He beat me 100 to 75 yesterday and I'm p.o.ed

Dave(Chickory Slim)Nelson

P.S. Actually, I had a 33 about 65 years ago but that was in line-up.

elvicash
08-23-2009, 08:19 AM
I'm 83 and my high run, about 35 years ago playing my son on my 8 ft. Brunswick VIP is 29. I would like to run my age before I turn 84, but I'd be happy with a 30. My best on a 9 ft. table is 24 about a year ago and I had a 27 on the 8 ft. a couple of months ago. My goal for today is just to beat Half-fast Larry. He beat me 100 to 75 yesterday and I'm p.o.ed

Dave(Chickory Slim)Nelson

P.S. Actually, I had a 33 about 65 years ago but that was in line-up.

Keep stroking I am glad to hear you are still hitting the balls. BTW - I have been up to Racine a couple of times. Maybe we can hit some balls if and when I get back up there.

Dave Nelson
08-23-2009, 01:21 PM
Elvicash

That would be fantastic. I live 5 minutes from Break and Run and 15 minutes from Boomers and Claws in Kenosha is not very far.

Dave Nelson

dnelson26@wi.rr.com

262-554-8092

Oh, and revenge is sweet. I beat Half-Fast Larry today 100 to 71. My high run was only 12 but then I kept running 8s 9s an 10s.

elvicash
08-23-2009, 06:18 PM
Dave if and when i get that way I would like to play.

As far as the runs you mention that is what I been doing to more short runs than anything to really talk about, I just have to keep working on the discipline and work my way through it.....

Dana

elvicash
08-23-2009, 06:19 PM
Burning Man update, I might have a replacement partner but i do not expect he is up for the entire cross country long trip so I might be cutting some of that out remain to be seen. Oh yeah he is a pool nut too you will be hearing more out of him I believe.

I hit some balls ran a 18 could have been at least a 28 missed a ball breaking up last cluster played about 30 or 40 minutes no other good runs.

elvicash
08-29-2009, 06:24 AM
Tom H and I are enroute to Burning Man.

I just played some tonight in Des Moines at the Big Dog. Nice room, I did not like the tunes much. The balls were mismatched, we played on a GC 9'

I had a great time, the bear was cold, the rate was not bad at all.

The results, I played bad early and could not overcome Tom's lead. He beat me 100 to 88. I did not feel comfortable initially. No run for me over 9 or 10, Tom ran a 19.

We played bank pool short rack and I won 3 out of 4, quit for the night.

Tommorow we might play some in Cheyenne WY. Thinking about trying out Mingles.

Williebetmore
08-29-2009, 08:33 AM
Tom H and I are enroute to Burning Man.

I just played some tonight in Des Moines at the Big Dog. Nice room, I did not like the tunes much. The balls were mismatched, we played on a GC 9'

I had a great time, the bear was cold, the rate was not bad at all.

The results, I played bad early and could not overcome Tom's lead. He beat me 100 to 88. I did not feel comfortable initially. No run for me over 9 or 10, Tom ran a 19.

We played bank pool short rack and I won 3 out of 4, quit for the night.

Tommorow we might play some in Cheyenne WY. Thinking about trying out Mingles.

EC,
Too cool. Please continue the updates for those of us locked into the continuing nightmare of the "day job". Sounds like you are having a great trip so far. Sorry you couldn't join the festivities this week; had a fabulous time with Mark Wilson for 3 days....I will certainly be ready for a re-match when you return.

elvicash
08-31-2009, 10:07 AM
WBM - I would have loved to have come up and spent a little time with Mark but it just did not work out between finishing up a project, packing and then the big one. Geri got the flu so I was nursing on Wed and Thur, I left on Fri.

Back to the trip, after leaving Des Moines we drove to Lincoln, NE and played at Madsens late lunch time, a bowling alley with pool tables. Good Philly Steak and Cheese. We played on the far corner table form the counter, level table, decent matched balls pretty clean. 4 bucks and hr for the table not per player. They had a diamond 9' it was covered up. I offered a game to someone behind the counter (he was not working at the time) he passed the economy is not helping much for anyone. i had the edge here on some 9 ball.

We then drove to Cheyenne WY. We ate Texas Rd House, pretty good went to Mingles they had big tables but more of a gathering spot not a serious pool room music was a little industrial for me so we did not stay. We went over to Plush Cue Family Billiards and played on an old very clean GC 9' Excellent balls, pockets were angled to take balls easy. We played 8 ball Tom liked it, it was late and he got me no offcial score but he played well here. After we left Tom has decided that 8 ball is now his game. The room is owned by Little Joe V bro in law. according to Blackjack "You met Cheyenne Pete Trujillo? Cool! He was at one time the most fierce 9 ball player in that area (he had wars with Danny Medina)" Pete asked me if I know George Breedlove also from Indy as we all know, I mentioned I was familiar with George and Pete said George had come through and played him some, it sounded like George took that one down, I did not press for details. Pete is one nice guy stop in if you are passing through on I80. 4 bucks per hour per person, good equipment, felt like a real room, no music.
I drove till pretty late upon leaving.

Next day slept in and Tom drove us to EO's we check it out and asked for a restaraunt recommendation, that place was closed (Sunday) and quite a few others but we eventually got fed at a nice sports bar. We went to EO's and played 14.1 I played well got a good lead and then fell apart. Tom wins the pool. EO's is nice 2 12' snooker tables, GC and Diamond 9' tables. Pool Hall Junkies was filmed there, the owner was nice guy and they play 14.1 there. Time seemed high 6 bucks per hr for the good tables 4 buck for the banger tables, We did not know the rate diff the owner said I am going to cut you a break on time when we left, that was really nice. I think the 6 bucks should be posted if there is a price diff. Golf is cheap if a ring game. They almost need a rate menu. First time I ever played with IPT balls, Table was clean, good players chairs, Go To EO's they offered to call us some action, I passed. They said SVB took down some action there before he got his name out there 3 or so years back came in offering weight and got the job done.

We are now in Winnemucca NV or something like that, we might bangs some balls in a bar prior to hitting the desert later today. Wish me luck I will report back next week or so.

After Burning Man I will definitly be traveling through Vegas hitting the Phoenix Lubock, Dallas,Shrveport, Memphis, Nasheville. Any tips on where to play or tourneys let me know in this thread.

I will come out of the desert rejuvenated and ready to go.

Williebetmore
09-01-2009, 06:12 AM
"You met Cheyenne Pete Trujillo? Cool! He was at one time the most fierce 9 ball player in that area .

EC,
This update was cooler than cool. I believe Danny Harriman had some wars with Cheyenne Pete as well. I think most road warriors of the day considered Cheyenne Pete a HUGE obstacle to overcome - anyone who could beat him was definitely a top echelon professional level player; and even they didn't have to beat him.

Drive safely, we hope to hear more.

elvicash
09-07-2009, 01:04 PM
Success Table Found At Burning Man

AZ pool is alive on the playa. I found a table, conditions were a little rougher than the Phillipines I believe. Everything banked long, dirty balls and sandy cloth. Make a bridge you make a dust cloud. 8 Ball slop counts, call pocket on the 8. Played a couple of different days. Met some nice people as normal for any pool room.

Did not play any 14.1 did run 4 balls one game which is good on this table. If you did not like the layout wait for the wind the balls would move around a little. Lots of fun though, Cue Tec was represented in the cue choices.

From BM we left late on Fri, stayed in Fallon, drove down to Vegas hit some balls at the Cue Club, and next day played at Pool sharks both were good. Saw Pots and Pans at Pool Sharks. Did not make it over to the Nugget too much to do, not enough time.

Headed out now to Phoenix, then Lubbock to Dallas, might go to Galveston, any info on that tourney would be appreciated especially pre paid players list so I can make a good decision.

Here is the pict of the table.

dmgwalsh
09-07-2009, 01:14 PM
Elvi: Sounds like you are having fun.

Marop and Schmidty are going to Galveston.

Later,

Dennis

elvicash
09-08-2009, 02:27 AM
I got there on Mon 6 PM, I thought I was going to drive right in and set up the tent for the night. I was wrong 3 hours from edge of desert to campsight. Over an hour at will call during a dust storm 50 ft visible or less for most of the time. Set up a tent in the dark in a dust storm, van filled with dust while unloading. Also it was hot, dirty and very uncomfortable.

First night after setting up tent went out to Playa the center of campl filled with over a 100 large scale art emplacements, lots and lots of art cars and thousands people many in a wide range of costomes. Think Mad Max on steriods. Booming music, glowing lights neon laser etc, vehicles with flame throwers. Nudity both topless and complete alongside people wearing tiger suits, body paint, furry boots and stilts. Little crazy to say the least. Long late night interesting in many ways.

We woke up next AM covered in dust, very rough conditions. First night we saw a lot that would be hard to explain much more than I could ever describe. Clothing optional is an understatement. Freedom is the big thing on the Playa people want to express themselves in there way.

As a group they are not open to the concept of GOD which offended me as I thought they were pretty close minded for all of their claimed open mindedness.

I was OK with the entire thing as an experience, most everybody I met was extremely kind and respectful of me and others. Sharing was evident, people wanted to be nice and be able to do their own thing.

Tons and tons of cool things. Lots to see, some things were not open to all including much of the lesbian community they definitly had alot of closed events. Some good music, alot of not so good music (techno I do not like techo).

Pictures I took alot of pictures, ask first most will pose some do not want pictures taken. I learned to ask.

I stayed with the sky diver camp, it was pretty normal compared to alot of the camps. Alot of what I mentioned above was evident here.

I will say alot of the old timer Burners do not care for first time attendees to much. I was ready to go after a day and a half but my California buddy was coming so I stayed on rather than leave Tuesday night. I end up leaving before the burn about midnight on Friday. Had a lot of good times with my buddy glad I stayed but was real happy to go, looked forward to real world with showers, AC etc.

BM is a place to be yourself for a large population almost (41,000 Fri afternoon) many of those are citizens of BM and are into it, Tom H and I were more like spectators there were alot of those too.

BM is not for everyone. If you do not like it that is fine, I am not planning to return next year, but I would go back and I would be fine with never going back. 300 bucks is not alot if people pay 150 to go to Cirque De Sole this is way crazier and last a week vs 2 hrs. I got my moneys worth, I am now headed across the country left Vegas tonight.

While in Vegas I played at the Pool Sharks and Cue Club. Went to Southwest Cues and met Laurie nice lady. She showed us the process. Vegas food is not good, the pool was and I was as ready to leave there as I was to leave BM. I am looking fwd to Phoenix where I am tonight at my buddys apartment. Hope to play some tommorow, Scott Lee goave a lead on a few spots. Oh yeah the Hoover Dam is cool real cool and that was when the goverment new how to execute a project.

I will keep posting, if any one in Phoenix, Lubbock, Dallas, Galveston, Shreveport, Memphis, Nashville want to hit balls with Elvi post up or PM me. I hope to be home in 2 weeks or less I am having a good time but am missing the wife and kids.

Williebetmore
09-08-2009, 04:31 AM
As a group they are not open to the concept of GOD which offended me as I thought they were pretty close minded for all of their claimed open mindedness.

I was OK with the entire thing as an experience, most everybody I met was extremely kind and respectful of me and others. .

EC,
Take it from an ex-hippie...the reason the movement died is that VERY few people are really open-minded. Most would like to think they are, and want everyone to think they are (hey, it's "cool"); but self-interest is almost a biological imperative and makes it difficult to agree with others when they are "obviously" wrong (ie. different from "me"). Over minor things, they will not give you a problem; but interfere with someone's pleasure and the open-mindedness will disappear quickly in all except the very few. Many are more fervent and close-minded in their beliefs than the "establishment" people they disdain. JMO.

Glad you are enjoying the trip. ONWARD!!!

grindz
09-08-2009, 10:13 AM
.................................................. ...........................I will keep posting, if any one in Phoenix, Lubbock, Dallas, Galveston, Shreveport, Memphis, Nashville want to hit balls with Elvi post up or PM me. I hope to be home in 2 weeks or less I am having a good time but am missing the wife and kids.

EC,

I PM'd you with my number if you want suggestions about the Phx. area.
In general, places to visit......
East valley....

Kolby's
Main Street

West valley...

Metro
Bullshooters
Sweet tooth
Northern

Lots and lots of spots to hit depending on what you're after. Feel free to contact me by phone or PM for more info.

td

elvicash
09-08-2009, 12:10 PM
EC,
Take it from an ex-hippie...the reason the movement died is that VERY few people are really open-minded. Most would like to think they are, and want everyone to think they are (hey, it's "cool"); but self-interest is almost a biological imperative and makes it difficult to agree with others when they are "obviously" wrong (ie. different from "me"). Over minor things, they will not give you a problem; but interfere with someone's pleasure and the open-mindedness will disappear quickly in all except the very few. Many are more fervent and close-minded in their beliefs than the "establishment" people they disdain. JMO.

Glad you are enjoying the trip. ONWARD!!!

I was not out there preaching, just living, getting along, having a good visit, letting them be themselves. In my post I was just making a statement about what I percieved from there written material, talking to others and seeing what I saw. When I did mention my faith (happened a few times) I found other Christians, or in repsonse questions about what my neighbors thought about me being out there or was I not going to mention it to others back home etc. No unkind rresponses on an individual basis, my statement was about the group thought I percieved from BM as a group (very hippy like group BTW)

As the week progressed we had that exact conversation amongst our group about how this social paradigm is no different than any out in the straight owrld. Cliques were evident, pecking order was very established. We were at the bottom of the order since we were straight "virgin" visitors, there at BM as observers, participating in the same way as a first time dancer attending a large dance. Also, I ran into the situation of class and level constantly, I still had a good time, these were just things I noticed as the time went on.

We also mentioned how there were groups so very noticable amongst the chaos in the desert. The groups were distinct, the uniforms were quite consistent you just had to look. A fellow attendee in line broke it down like this, when you come out here you know your tribe and find them or they find you. The attendees formed up and established levels with leader bees and worker bees, this BM is just like any other society.

I am glad to have BM behind me, I enjoy a shower, AC and a store.

I am in Phoenix today, I got some PM's to reply to and will try to make it to a room prior to leaving in the AM. Stayed up late last night visiting my good buddy and old college roomate. Tom is out getting a massage, the road goes on and I am hitting balls pretty well however I have not ran even a 20 since leaving Indy. Hopefully I will open up a little bit. Also hope to see some cue makers in the next few days as well.

elvicash
09-20-2009, 07:31 PM
Need to try to finish up my trip report on going to Burning Man. We left BM late on Friday night before the burn drove out and found our nearest hotel room over a 100 miles away. We got there in the middle of the night, 53.00 dollars well spent. We asked for extra towels and took a tremendous long shower we needed those towels. Tom got first dibbs (he drove last stint) We slept well AC is something else let me tell you. Woke up and drove the day away going from Fallon NV to Las Vegas. Got there early evening and hit the Cue Club, ate some mediocre chain food in a casino. Went back and hit balls at Cue Club till late. Stayed at a Motel 6 saw cops with lights on every where off the strip the whole night (bad part of town I guess). Got up moved to a Holiday Inn played pool at Pool Sharks met Thumbs (nce guy) saw Pots and Pans he steered us to eat at Arizona Charlies Steak and eggs 3.99 after last night we said why not. We went up there and it was Denny's type food but decent and not overpriced (Thanks Pots) Tom hit them for 140 on roultte he got out with a 100 so it was good meal. NExt day we went to Southwest (I have had a cue on order for a while so I wanted to see what the place is like) Thanks Mrs Laurie Franklin for asllwoing us to see where these great cues come from it was great. They are keeping the quality high and have some serious looking awesome wood. That was a great highlight for Vegas.

We left Vegas and went over the Hoover Dam on the way to Phoenix. Stayed at my old college roommate Todd, he plays golf a little if anybody is looking to play some in the big AZ. Next day we played a bit at Q n Brew. Slow new cloth, big pocklets, I could run out a bit there so it was a good time. That night I was going to go over to Kolbies but I end up hanging with my buddy, due to circumstances I was going to miss the start of the tourney so I decided to hang out instead I wish I had went to play later. I know Scott Frost was there that night and the place looked happend on the stream so my loss. NExt day we decide to go to Lubbocxk TX. We decide Grand Canyon is too far out of the way but want to see some stuff so we go east out of Phoenix using the scenic route beautiful country it was cool but very slow. We thought it was a 1 day trip but we were wrong, went through some awesome country including a good sized canyon with some serious switchbacks, brakes were smoking serious (old van so we took a few breaks through the valley. Ate some good mexican saw a great Land Rover for sale Petrified forest and tee pees. Great drive hit balls that night in Albequeque NM at the Billiard Palace, Nice room, I played a little bad would like to play there again. Left early the next day going to Lubbock.

Got to Lubbock my Dad has a joint called Jakes cold bear pretty good food. We visited for 3 days. They welcomed us with our names on the marquee that was cool. Still ate out our meals but we ate OK. Cleaned out the van got rid of most desert dust. Good times in a couple of rooms Fast Eddies days one Fox and Hound second night. They did not appear to have much action in either joint. Fast Eddies has better walls, tables seemed like home tables mostly we played on far right corner on one of three tournament style tables. Pockets were cut a little wierd, table was pretty clean standard Aramith balls. Fox and Hound had some well used Diamond tables close to window and lighting that could be a little better. Do not get me wrong we played and had a good time but this was our least pool room type of places on the entire trip.

What in Lubbock we went out Slaton (I think it was Slaton) and met Paul Sumrall his cues are called S&S First of all let me say we called him out of the blue and neither of us had never saw anyhting he made prior to this visit so we did not have super high expectations. First thing we see upon getting there is he makes some full splice veneered cues. Very nice workmanship nice solid hit. Real nice cue, he has us in his house first we hit a few o fhis cues, alot of cue for the money, I think I will be ordering a full splice in the near future myself. He told us about how he got started and how he learned from his Dad who had started the shop and built the first cues. This is where the name S+S comes from in memory of his Dad. We had a great visit and were very impressed prior to go out to the shop. He has a wide range of wood well cured and he also uses ivory. Mutiple pins and joints. Capable of doing just about anything in a simple but complete shop. I will try to post a picture of Paul at his lathe. We talked cues for a good long time. I messed with cues a bit along time ago and Tom is interested himself so we loved this visit. We found out Paul has an opinion on most any aspect of cuemaking and I say it is well deserved because before Paul made cues he played actual pool. He thinks knowing what he likes in acue allows him to know how he is doing. He made it pretty clear he made solid hitting cues for players. Just a wonderful afternoon listening, talking and learnign about the art that is cue making. Before we left Paul pit a Sniper tip on Tom's Mike Stacey cue. Paul is a great guy and if you want a solid hitting cue give him a call his number is (806) 778-1957 and I believe his cues are a great value. We left lubbock and headed out for Galveston.

sausage
09-20-2009, 08:15 PM
I'm 83 and my high run, about 35 years ago playing my son on my 8 ft. Brunswick VIP is 29. I would like to run my age before I turn 84, but I'd be happy with a 30. My best on a 9 ft. table is 24 about a year ago and I had a 27 on the 8 ft. a couple of months ago. My goal for today is just to beat Half-fast Larry. He beat me 100 to 75 yesterday and I'm p.o.ed

Dave(Chickory Slim)Nelson

P.S. Actually, I had a 33 about 65 years ago but that was in line-up.

Dave: i posted this in another thread but you might find it helpful. #'s 1 and 2 were jokes so i omitted them. :

#3. after opening a rack, define the problem balls and take care of them asap.
#4. define your break ball asap.
#5. watch lots of straight pool vids. there is an irving crane 150 and out vid on the net for free download. pay strict attention to how he runs the rack and then understand why he chose the shots that he did.
#6. once you can anticipate which ball an expert will shoot next, you are in fat city. then you just have to work on your position and shot making.
#7. shoot at least a thousand balls a day. this will give you confidence to make shots. it will also get you "in the zone" where your aim goes on auto-pilot and your main focus is on THE BIG PICTURE. the individual shots are merely avenues toward your goal of a nice break ball. you know when you've reached this level when an individual shot is a foregone conclusion. you no longer struggle with aim. you are now on pool players high. THAT is the key to the game.....

Dave Nelson
09-21-2009, 05:57 AM
Sausage

Thanks for the input. Those are all good suggestions. I have the Irving Crane/Joe Balsis match with the 150 ball run and it's a joy to watch. In fact, now that you have reminded me, I think I'll watch it again today.

I like your views on cues. The one I use most is even cheaper than a Walmart. I got it for nothing because it was made by my youngest son, Ken. He took it up as a hobby a few years ago. It plays just as well as any other cue I have ever handled.

Dave Nelson

dmgwalsh
09-21-2009, 06:54 AM
I like your views on cues. The one I use most is even cheaper than a Walmart. I got it for nothing because it was made by my youngest son, Ken. He took it up as a hobby a few years ago. It plays just as well as any other cue I have ever handled.

Dave Nelson

Ouch! I know what you mean because it was free to you. I have one of Ken's cues, too and it plays fine. Nice balance. I think I ran a 28 or so with it and I haven't used it much only because I am a cue nut and have about 30 other cues.

How is the stroke going after your session with Scott?

Someone adjusted my grip the other day and although it feels a bit smoother, I am missing some shots I usually make, but I think I should stick with the change.

Dave Nelson
09-30-2009, 09:27 AM
I'm getting a bit discouraged. I run a fair number of 10s to 14 but I haven't been past 15 for awhile now. I had a good start yesterday. I had a good breakball, a good keyball but i left myself to sharp an angle on the pre-key ball. I made the shot but the cue ball went 3 rails and scratched. If I didn't really like the game I'd probably quit.

Dave Nelson

Marop
09-30-2009, 09:48 AM
Some days are better than others. Once you start getting into the 2nd rack daily you will be hooked for life.


Bill

elvicash
09-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Keep stroking Dave you will start getting into that 2nd rack. You want to look at Blackjacks threads on 14.1 university. Start out with some of those sequences turns your 14's into 17's or 18's and you get through those simple KB2KB KB to BK ball. Start out with 3 balls on the table, rack break and run that first full rack on 3, 4 or 5 balls. I have not run any thirties for a while but I hit a 20 something every now and then and it feels great.

I am working on my pool room in the basement. I need player chairs any ideas or "good" ones for sale OH, IN, MI, IL, KY let me know. I want good chairs.

I played a couple of matches so far this week, I played OK no high runs but some +14's in each game. I have got to plan better and simpler patterns. I need to head up to Chi-town and hit the IBC a couple of times in the next few weeks.

sausage
09-30-2009, 07:54 PM
I'm getting a bit discouraged. I run a fair number of 10s to 14 but I haven't been past 15 for awhile now. I had a good start yesterday. I had a good breakball, a good keyball but i left myself to sharp an angle on the pre-key ball. I made the shot but the cue ball went 3 rails and scratched. If I didn't really like the game I'd probably quit.

Dave Nelson

dave: make sure that you begin with a nicely vacuumed table and polished balls. it makes a huge difference. when i play with dirty balls, they don't break apart like they should. it can be very frustrating....

elvicash
10-09-2009, 12:04 PM
First day of straight pool league was last night. After some internal debating I decided to play. The league is gradually diminishing and most of the players I would prefer to play have dropped out for one reason or another. I know it was not my intimaditing them even though you the AZ public would probably expect that as the primary reason. Our league is down to 14 it is double round robin with 2 postion rounds so I should play 28 matches. Win-Loss is the primary decider vs balls, I actually think balls made would be better with ball counting after zero so the player with postive handicaps would get the handicap in there count total negative handicappers would have to get to zero before they start counting balls. Either way I won my first match 100-78 I gave up 40 balls to a guy who could play a little. I got past him and got to about 75 to 50 and missed a couple of times due to my loosing focus, I need to give the same effort to every round at the table.

I am playing more and working out. I expect to accomplish my 43 balls prior to end of the year. Spending the last few weeks with the wife and kids have been very theraputic for me.

Things I am working on

Pace
Decisions
Patterns
Decisions
Stroke process
Decisions
Visualization
Decisions
Pocketing
Decisions

Oh yeah I need to make better decisions.

elvicash
10-15-2009, 06:19 PM
Played league tonight. I won giving up 25 balls, 100-60. I played well mos tof the way though. I got into the rack a few times tying racks together but no really high run, I had at least an 18 or so, had a similiar strength player watching my matchy the whole time and he talked to my opp during my runs talking pretty loud it was a bit irritating. I understand they will be raising my handicap as of next week. I do not know what they will do but I am going to play on. MY 43 is headed my way I am hitting the balls better.

elvicash
10-18-2009, 08:44 AM
Been working with my practice ball sets, the ones that are half white half red and one has a blue circle with a black cross. I am trying to work on jerking the rock back a little better. What I find is I do not hit the ball where i think I am am and I do not know yet how I am going to fix it but I know I am going to fix it and then I will be playing better. Right now i am generally in the correct quadrant, side to side is close up and down is off more so as I go lower but just generally off as far as height.

I need to hit the cue ball where I aim at in my setup. I will be working on it.

sausage
10-18-2009, 09:10 AM
I like your views on cues. The one I use most is even cheaper than a Walmart. I got it for nothing because it was made by my youngest son, Ken. He took it up as a hobby a few years ago. It plays just as well as any other cue I have ever handled.

people put way to much emphasis on how a cue effects their game. a well groomed tip is much more important.

i recently found that concentrating on a long follow-through has improved my game greatly. trust your aim and follow though, everything else will fall into place.

elvicash
10-24-2009, 06:13 AM
Playing today in a Fast Eddies 9 ball tourney in Amarillo, TX. I am down here with my Dad (He lives in Lubbock) have not hit many balls this week but thought I would give it a shot. I will let you know how it comes out

14-1StraightMan
10-24-2009, 07:15 AM
Playing today in a Fast Eddies 9 ball tourney in Amarillo, TX. I am down here with my Dad (He lives in Lubbock) have not hit many balls this week but thought I would give it a shot. I will let you know how it comes out


Good luck & keep us posted.

sausage
10-24-2009, 11:52 AM
good luck. 9 ball should be pretty easy for a straight pool player. :wink:

i remember long ago when i first played 9ball. the guy i played with was a seasoned 9baller and i beat the pants off of him. he kept asking me: " are you sure you never played 9ball before?" LOL......

elvicash
10-25-2009, 06:25 AM
Went to tourney, 2 and out lost the strok midway first match. Afterwards played straight for a while played little better. Power draw is starting to work I think it is a better setup and dropping the elbow. I will be in TX all this week go home Fri play in barbox tourney on Sat need to hit some balls everyday this week.

Dave Nelson
10-30-2009, 09:27 AM
Just ran 10 racks on my home table and had consecutive runs of 16,13,15. Sure wish I could do that in a match sometime.

Dave Nelson

elvicash
11-02-2009, 05:25 PM
Getting closer I ran a 39 tonight. I got through the first two racks with no problem and about the time I thought I was going to get through the third rack I hung a ball in the left hand corner by the rack, I had a decent little triangle so I just have to keep making the balls.

I will be running my age (43) pretty soon and I will do it more than a few times once I get it going. Now I will change my AZ sig.

Cameron Smith
11-02-2009, 11:59 PM
Getting closer I ran a 39 tonight. I got through the first two racks with no problem and about the time I thought I was going to get through the third rack I hung a ball in the left hand corner by the rack, I had a decent little triangle so I just have to keep making the balls.

I will be running my age (43) pretty soon and I will do it more than a few times once I get it going. Now I will change my AZ sig.

If I may offer a couple thoughts,

I think you may be sharking yourself by focusing too much on a specific number. From what I've read you've gotten into the third rack a number of times so that means you have the capability to hit 43 and by extension probably the 50's as well. Next time you get towards the last 5-7 balls of the third rack I suggest getting a drink of water, clean your shaft, shape your tip, apply chalk and just clear your mind.

elvicash
11-03-2009, 06:47 AM
If I may offer a couple thoughts,

I think you may be sharking yourself by focusing too much on a specific number. From what I've read you've gotten into the third rack a number of times so that means you have the capability to hit 43 and by extension probably the 50's as well. Next time you get towards the last 5-7 balls of the third rack I suggest getting a drink of water, clean your shaft, shape your tip, apply chalk and just clear your mind.


Thanks I would say you are probably right, about the time I thought hey this is going to be my 43 I hung a ball.

I should have said I see my 43 now I need to get it done. And then do all of the work to do it. Your idea about taking the break and bagging the last few balls is exactly right I hung that ball with 4 on the table. :mad:

All I can say is the Gold Crown is in the basement and I can get right back on that horse and fire a it again. So here I go right now, more pool. :grin::grin:

Oh yeah, I am breaking out the video this AM and hope to repeat and extend my run shortly.

dmgwalsh
11-03-2009, 08:16 AM
Getting closer I ran a 39 tonight. I got through the first two racks with no problem and about the time I thought I was going to get through the third rack I hung a ball in the left hand corner by the rack, I had a decent little triangle so I just have to keep making the balls.

I will be running my age (43) pretty soon and I will do it more than a few times once I get it going. Now I will change my AZ sig.

Cool, Elvi. You are knocking at the door. Congrats on the 39.

Like the other guy and BJ had said, Slow down, look around, take your time.

Cameron Smith
11-03-2009, 08:19 AM
Thanks I would say you are probably right, about the time I thought hey this is going to be my 43 I hung a ball.

I should have said I see my 43 now I need to get it done. And then do all of the work to do it. Your idea about taking the break and bagging the last few balls is exactly right I hung that ball with 4 on the table. :mad:

All I can say is the Gold Crown is in the basement and I can get right back on that horse and fire a it again. So here I go right now, more pool. :grin::grin:

Oh yeah, I am breaking out the video this AM and hope to repeat and extend my run shortly.

Good luck!

Mentally what I try to do between racks, is forget about the previous rack(s) and approach it as though it is an entirely seperate event. Easier to do in practice than it is in match play though. For whatever reason it's tough to perform when your counting the balls or points. In snooker I have a rough time making decent breaks if my opponent isn't keeping track for me. Too much clutter in the head when all you want to think about is the ball your shooting and where you want to be next.

elvicash
11-05-2009, 09:19 PM
Just played league and had something else on my mind. No great runs, 4 teens, my real problem was I could not focus still won handily. Need to work on mental focus clearing my mind and playing when I get on the table. Stroke was good.

grindz
11-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Just played league and had something else on my mind. No great runs, 4 teens, my real problem was I could not focus still won handily. Need to work on mental focus clearing my mind and playing when I get on the table. Stroke was good.

EC............................
You've got to play some tougher competition!!!! :wink:


td

Fast Lenny
11-06-2009, 10:04 AM
I have ran around 30 balls, my goal before the year is up is to get 40, I rarely play 14.1 at all but will practice twice a week until the year is up and try to get to 40. I can run 20's every time I practice so a 40 is realistic. :smile:

Williebetmore
11-20-2009, 01:11 PM
elvicash,
I was EXTREMELY distressed that you failed to post the results of our match this week. My pool mentors are quite insistent that I need to be playing serious matches, for money, against players better than me. Their theory is that every player needs some battle scars, that the tension of serious matches cannot be duplicated in practice, and that playing with pressure is different than playing in practice.

If you fail to gloat continuously after your victories, then the "punishment" for me losing our matches is minimal. If you rub it in at every opportunity it will certainly motivate me more to concentrate and play more intelligently....remember, it's all about me (see, I'm making progress on developing behavior similar to many serious players).

Anyway, for those who don't know, elvicash is definitely getting serious about his pool (not letting that day job interfere with his practicing) and his skills are significant; and really has a nice place to play. Great equipment, nice blackboard, great pictures/plaques, awesome pool library. One of these days I am going to actually win a match there.

grindz
11-20-2009, 04:27 PM
elvicash,
I was EXTREMELY distressed that you failed to post the results of our match this week. My pool mentors are quite insistent that I need to be playing serious matches, for money, against players better than me. Their theory is that every player needs some battle scars, that the tension of serious matches cannot be duplicated in practice, and that playing with pressure is different than playing in practice.

If you fail to gloat continuously after your victories, then the "punishment" for me losing our matches is minimal. If you rub it in at every opportunity it will certainly motivate me more to concentrate and play more intelligently....remember, it's all about me (see, I'm making progress on developing behavior similar to many serious players).

Anyway, for those who don't know, elvicash is definitely getting serious about his pool (not letting that day job interfere with his practicing) and his skills are significant; and really has a nice place to play. Great equipment, nice blackboard, great pictures/plaques, awesome pool library. One of these days I am going to actually win a match there.

WB,

You will NEVER defeat EC!!! When pigs fly, maybe, or when the Earth stops rotating............ should I go on? :grin-devilish: He is just WAAAY
to good for you!

Is that incentive enough?



J/K :wink:

td

Williebetmore
11-20-2009, 06:56 PM
WB,

You will NEVER defeat EC!!! When pigs fly, maybe, or when the Earth stops rotating............ should I go on? :grin-devilish: He is just WAAAY
to good for you!

td


G-man,
Now THAT's more like it....I can see you are definitely a player. Hopefully elvicash will work on upgrading his trash talk....could you give him some lessons??????

elvicash
11-21-2009, 08:55 AM
I will have to work on my gloat some. First of all I want to announce i was honored to host the esteemed WillieBetmore himself. He want to play a morning match so we get together at the excellent pool hour of 8 AM. The table was clean, the balls polished. The house was quite until we cranked up the non stop blues thanks to Comcast. WBM announces he has to wager to put on the pressure, he posts actual cash money and I announce I would prefer to play more than one game so lets play short games to 50. I do get a little lucky and make a shot along the way. I ran I think a 28 in game one finishing the run after getting to fifty (21 at end of game I think or so). WBM fired another bullet and that game was hard fought but I prevailed. Score for the day 2-0 home team. We then played some Cowboy till WBM had to leave. I like that game and will be playing some more, really helps alot, just wish I knew how to plan posiiton playing that game. I might post the run I would need to trim it down but we did video this much anticipated match.

After that massive effort with WBM, I then went and worked a couple of days on the road, played some banger style 8 ball in a nice little bar in Garret. Good times, then we went to an Eagles lodge and watched some APA guys my buddy knew (I fell asleep watching :boring2::boring2:).

Came home Friday eveing and my buddy Datum Cues (Burning Man roadie) shows up, We played banks, 9B, 8B (3 each) and 14.1 (to a 100) I played well in the 9B and banks he crushed me like a grape playing 8 ball and I got my final revenge in the 14.1. After loosing 3 straight 8 ball games we lag for the break in straight, I loose (note to self learn to lag) he runs 14 on first inning, he gets most of the second rack and then we start splitting racks, has has me by about 20 or more balls he as is about miud fifty and I fire a 33 at him. I get another 14 shortly after that but he fires a 14 right back at me. Datum is playing better but the home team prevailed.

So in closing Betmore you got action maybe this Wed if you have the time.

On the goal I am playing better and getting into that second rack with some confidence. I will try to post some results this week.

sascha
11-21-2009, 11:03 AM
I want to run 150 finally, had runs of 99,102,106 and a 141 already. I guess it will come someday, maybe more. My dream would be a 200+ though...:smile:

DECO CUE
11-21-2009, 03:42 PM
I want to run 150 finally, had runs of 99,102,106 and a 141 already. I guess it will come someday, maybe more. My dream would be a 200+ though...:smile:

sounds like you are on your way keep stroking buddy

sascha
11-22-2009, 01:56 AM
sure will.... well, i have some 30+ years left to do it so i am confident it will happen :smile:

elvicash
11-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Played a makeup league match last night. Played the other -5 handicapper we started about 10:30 or so at night and we both go at a deliberate pace almost 3 hours. Got in rhythm lat half early it was all short innings. I ran a mid low teen once 13 or 14 where I finished a rack out and got a few out of the next one other than that 11's and a 14 all single rack runs hit the rack on break balls a few couple of times and got no reward. No continuity in the game for me. I did play safe pretty well, this opponent plays safe more than any other in the league and I waited for a good shoot which made a difference in this game. We finish around 1:30 or so in the morning. I was beat. I wind up winning 100-71.

dmgwalsh
11-26-2009, 05:33 AM
we started about 10:30 or so at night and we both go at a deliberate pace almost 3 hours. We finish around 1:30 or so in the morning. I was beat. I wind up winning 100-71.

Wow! Did you bring a magazine to read?
Sounds like a game with Bob Treff, Mark Pradico or Johnny Archer.

JE54
11-26-2009, 05:44 AM
Congats on the win. I'd be sleeping between turns.

elvicash
11-28-2009, 05:58 PM
Played some more pool yesterday. Played in a after Thanksgiving day 8 all tourney. I do not know how many were there but it was handicapped. The rankings wer 2/3 4/5 6/7 Super 's I was made a 7. I caught a little gear and got going won some matches and tight for 5/6. Banking Brian ultilmately put me out. I played well other than the 2 matches I lost (funny how that works isn't it). If I played more I might catch a real gear.

I need to play another match in my straight pool leage so I can be all caught up. I am on the road the next 3 weeks so we will see what that does for my straight pool.

I feel good when I am hitting the cue ball these days. I would like to play some of you better players because I am learnign so much every time I play.

elvicash
12-03-2009, 08:03 PM
Played tonight in 14.1 league. Won 1 lost 1. I have a hard time giving a big spot I was a -5 and beat a 45 meaning I had to make 105 to his 55. Then I played a 70 that is hard I have to make 105 before he makes 30 and I lost my train of thought starting playing the score and not the game. I loose 100-51. I will have to regroup I need to give up big handicaps better.

metallicane
12-04-2009, 06:58 AM
Those handicaps are tough. Keep it up, you'll d get your goal soon.

elvicash
12-04-2009, 10:53 AM
Those handicaps are tough. Keep it up, you'll d get your goal soon.

Thanks for the thoughts. I should have beat the 70 the handicap is probably not out of line but when I started out bad and he has made 7 or balls pretty early I thought he is 25& done and I have not even done much. I started trying to make balls and not leave shots. I was not playing the game, I was trying not to loose rather than shooting to win. Mental error in my approach last night.

What I need to do is look at the table and let the layout tell me what to do, what needs to be fixed, what are my keyballs and breakballs, how can I fix clusters, approach twins etc. Play the game, be aware of the score but not play against the score. I am continuing to improve. I need to play some more with good players, I am mostly playing lower skilled playrs and they are basically cleaning up the balls in the open and ducking.

I

sascha
12-05-2009, 04:32 PM
some practice today, ran 28,41,75,25... ****ed up after that so i quit....more tomorrow hopefully..

elvicash
12-05-2009, 10:29 PM
some practice today, ran 28,41,75,25... ****ed up after that so i quit....more tomorrow hopefully..

Nice 75 is 5+ racks

elvicash
12-13-2009, 08:53 PM
I played another league match. I palyed a 30 so that is where he started, I started at -5. I win 100-81, I finished running 16 and out ( 3 and then 13). The 16 was my high run.

I have not played as much lately since I am working up in the Ft. Wayne area but I am feeling good when I do play.

elvicash
12-16-2009, 07:24 AM
I miss shooting pool I am going two or three days at a time without hitting a ball and then thats mostly on barboxes, this project in Ft. Wayne is killing me.

I need a real good jar to put my mojo in before it all drifts away.

I must finish this project so i can get my priority's straight again, :wink::wink:

I will be running that 43 and I expect it before the Derby so I have to get on it.

Dear Santa All I want for ............. you know the rest

Dave Nelson
12-20-2009, 07:24 AM
Hang in there Elvi, you can do it. My own hopes for ever hitting 30 are getting weaker by the day.

Dave Nelson

sausage
12-20-2009, 08:32 PM
Hang in there Elvi, you can do it. My own hopes for ever hitting 30 are getting weaker by the day.

Dave Nelson

dave: break the game down into segments:

#1. the break
#2. a secondary break (if needed)
#3. dealing with problem balls early in the rack
#4. identifying a break-ball and key ball and keys to the key ball.

then all you have to do is figure out the easiest way to get onto the third key ball which takes you to the second then to the first. this thought process leaves about four or five balls of the rack to shoot last. the others are there to eliminate secondary clusters and to get position on those last remaining balls. if you know how you are going to shoot the last four or five balls, the rack gets a whole lot easier. the earlier you identify the break ball and key balls, the easier it is to run the rack.

another thing that you might want to consider is behind the rack break-balls. they don't require as much force to open the rack and the cue is easier to control, IMHO.

Good luck!

elvicash
12-20-2009, 09:36 PM
Hang in there Elvi, you can do it. My own hopes for ever hitting 30 are getting weaker by the day.

Dave Nelson

Dave when I play I get in the 20's once a day or or more. Here are some thing I do to get that going.

Set up 3 balls stop shot to stop shot to break ball shoot a few of these at start of practicer session, get on the break ball rack and then break. Doing this a few times early helps me pick out the last three need to know then when I get down to 6 or 7 balls on table.

When I do these stop shots to break shot some times I will build up to 5 balls or so anyway after getting on the break shot shoot the break ball and see it go through the rack sometimes I rack the balls but usually I am just building up end of rack patterns.

Also sometime I rack and set up a break shot then I try to get back into the rack as soon as possible to get my secondary break. Once I have a secondary break I stop and rack the balls. I am just using this exercise to make break balls and do my early major cluster break. If I have not got it by 5 balls or so I just rack them again. I get two thing out of this I shoot alot of break shots and I get that early rack get going fix my problems thing working in my head.

After doing some warmups and one of the above exercises I then try to play 20 or so racks. I try to play center ball, stop shot positons. I try to use my head more than my shooting to run the balls. This is hard for me because I want to stroke my way out problems and that sometimes brings other problems. When I play within my self and think and do not constantly let my stroke out I will run multiple 10 pluses with a 20 or two and sometimes a 30. Sometimes I do better than that and when I miss a ball or positon I will try to repeat the shot I miss or an earlier shot that put me in a bad position. Sometime shoot I shot the shot 5,6 or more times. Then I go back to the 14.1 play. IF I loose focus I sit down and take a break, that helps me.

You can run 30 and I can run 43/50/60 all we have to do is to do it. Keep at it buddy.

Cameron Smith
12-20-2009, 11:38 PM
I hate to sound like a snooker snob, but if you can get on a 12 foot snooker table it will really improve your 14.1 game. There are a lot of similarities between the games. Break building in snooker has a lot in common with the patterns in 14.1.

Probably the biggest benefit to your game will be improved centre pocket potting (ie. more acute angles) shooting balls down table and long pots. Those three types of shots can simplify patterns considerably and get you out of a lot of trouble.

14-1StraightMan
12-22-2009, 10:42 AM
Had a 64 this morning. A good way to start the day out.

sausage
12-22-2009, 08:16 PM
Had a 64 this morning. A good way to start the day out.

i understand... i ran 53 and missed a gimmie in the corner after setting up for a perfect side break but then ran 42 but gave myself a dangerous break-shot which i missed. if you can consistently run 40 or 50 balls, you are in the 14-1 minority. even A+ players will have to play well against you to win.

elvicash
12-23-2009, 05:48 AM
I am winding down on this project and I cannot wait to wake at home and runs some balls first thing. I appreciate seeing all of the runs you guys are posting, hope to see any all that cann attend at Derby.

14-1StraightMan
12-23-2009, 08:11 PM
I am winding down on this project and I cannot wait to wake at home and runs some balls first thing. I appreciate seeing all of the runs you guys are posting, hope to see any all that cann attend at Derby.


You have been away from pool for a while now and I can feel for you. We have a wonderful hobby & sport to play. It is easy to see why people get so hooked on it. Hope you get home soon.

Ratta
12-24-2009, 04:42 AM
High runs are satisfying- no question!
But prefer more to enjoy the whole game after it ended finally :)
3-4 weeks ago played with a young guy (with an excellent big mouth :p). I ran 7 racks -each run was 14 with an almost perfectly played safety. So the score was 100 to -2 at the end. Satisfied me more than shooting a high run ^^. I just went into this match to show that young guy, that there s still a border :p ( i think after this match he knew what i meant :p)

lg
Ingo

elvicash
01-07-2010, 07:38 AM
Still working up north hope to be about done on this pretty soon. Played a little over the weekend and started doing a 10 run count stapped after 5 attempts 3 10's, a 14 and a 19. So need to get back to the table and off the road, this project does not help my 14.1 at all, oh well at least the lights are on so I am glad to have some work.

DMG - I posted on Facebook that I shot a 42, that was an 8 ball match on Tuesday night not a run. I win 3 games, miss a back cut 8 ball, last game I flat out missed a straight in ball when I had the game in hand.

What i learned from that match -- Taking a long time to shoot with lots of time spent mulling over a shot does not mean you have made a decision.

Note To Self - Decide on what I am doing and what I want to achieve prior to shooting.

elvicash
01-11-2010, 09:39 AM
Has anyone seen my mojo. Oh by the way, I am in Ft Wayne working on this never ending project again. I think this is the last week.

Derby is coming I am going to shoot video for Bob again.

I need to hit some balls before the Derby, so I better get back to work and knock this project out.......

elvicash
02-11-2010, 08:37 AM
Ran 29 at the Derby, did not play much, lots of family situations that week.

I am coming out with a new billiard device in the near future. Could be used in 14.1 perhaps. I hope to play a league match this afternoon. I am currently running off a project and some hardware is not coooperating with the rest of the system so I might not make it home for the match. Such is life.

I am hitting the ball alot better. Need to post up some video whenever I get around to playing some more which hopefully will be soon.

elvicash
03-23-2010, 09:29 PM
I have not been on AZ much. I am done with leagues for the year as of tonight. I won my 14.1 league and my 8 ball Valley team league (we won) good team good time. Need to try to run some balls now time is flying by as I have been on a big project and not home much. Valley state tourney is coming up in 2 weeks. I need to hit 300 plus ball severy day for a couple of weeks. I plan on heading up to Chi town for a long weekend with the wife to hit some balls at the club. We will see how it goes. Got to do my taxes this week. It is always something.

ForumGhost516
03-28-2010, 08:25 AM
My current goal is to break a fifty in competition.

Its going to be tough as hell I know but Im going to keep on pushing until I do.

Charlie

elvicash
06-23-2010, 10:04 PM
I am 41 years old.

My birthday is June 24.

My goal is to run my age before my next birthday.

In practice or competition, I do not care which.

I currently claim my hi run as 14.

I will revisit this thread as the year progresses.

That was the first post on 09-04-2007, 11:30 PM still not there yet and now I have to say Happy B Day to me (43-->44). I just cranked up the goal on the signature. I am getting tired of not having done it but just do not seem to be a ble to devote much time to working on a decent run. I have not played much since league but did play the some in the last week and a few hours were by myself working on a high run. About my play, I think I have picked up my pace a little. I am also using the True Rack which is pretty good for straight pool. I was trying to achieve my goal and only got into the 3rd rack a couple of times I ran a 25, 29 and a 33 all on Mon or Tues. I was going to focus on the run all day today but I had to go get my kid at camp, we thought she broke her foot and I just got home at about 12:45 AM.

I am making balls real well and starting to see the table. I know all I need to do is hit alot of balls work at the patterns and some decent runs will come. I have some video but I think I will wait to post when I actually run my number.

14-1StraightMan
06-24-2010, 05:44 AM
That was the first post on 09-04-2007, 11:30 PM still not there yet and now I have to say Happy B Day to me (43-->44). I just cranked up the goal on the signature. I am getting tired of not having done it but just do not seem to be a ble to devote much time to working on a decent run. I have not played much since league but did play the some in the last week and a few hours were by myself working on a high run. About my play, I think I have picked up my pace a little. I am also using the True Rack which is pretty good for straight pool. I was trying to achieve my goal and only got into the 3rd rack a couple of times I ran a 25, 29 and a 33 all on Mon or Tues. I was going to focus on the run all day today but I had to go get my kid at camp, we thought she broke her foot and I just got home at about 12:45 AM.

I am making balls real well and starting to see the table. I know all I need to do is hit alot of balls work at the patterns and some decent runs will come. I have some video but I think I will wait to post when I actually run my number.


I hope your little girl is doing fine. Happy one day late Birthday greeting.
Sounds like you are doing well with your practicing. Those are good runs.
Keep that up and you will get that 44 & more.

elvicash
06-25-2010, 04:52 PM
Watched some of the video tonight.

I play to slow.

I do not shoot the best shot alot more than I thought

I miss balls because I play into tough postion and cause problems.

I play better 14.1 than a year ago so I am making progress.

elvicash
06-25-2010, 04:53 PM
I hope your little girl is doing fine. Happy one day late Birthday greeting.
Sounds like you are doing well with your practicing. Those are good runs.
Keep that up and you will get that 44 & more.

Thanks for the kind thoughts. My daughter is fine she now walking on a air cast. I think you are righht I will get that 44 and more.

14-1StraightMan
06-25-2010, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the kind thoughts. My daughter is fine she now walking on a air cast. I think you are righht I will get that 44 and more.


Good to hear that your little girl is alright. Yes, keep practicing and those runs will come.

Dave Nelson
06-27-2010, 06:34 PM
Curses, foiled again. I was playing my round robin straight pool match at Boomers. I came to the table with 3 balls left. I took off the two and left a good break shot. I made the break and took off 2 more balls. I knew that i was on my way to a new high run. I felt great, confident. Then, disaster, a funnel cloud touched down, there was a bright flash, a huge clap of thunder, a tree came down and fell across the power lines, a transformer burned out, the lights went out. We will replay the matches next Saturday.

Dave Nelson

elvicash
06-28-2010, 09:01 PM
Goodluck Dave - I know that neither slett nor rain will detain you from that 100 ball run for very long.

Big_H515
06-28-2010, 09:32 PM
I am making balls real well and starting to see the table. I know all I need to do is hit alot of balls work at the patterns and some decent runs will come. I have some video but I think I will wait to post when I actually run my number.


Perhaps you should share the video anyway..constructive unbiased criticism from others might help you see things in a different light.

I know this may not help you, but it has helped me in the past.

Jason<--not an expert

Having only taken up 14.1 recently (last 4 months) and reading everything I can here, as well as Play your best straight pool, and watching god knows how many matches, 06 worlds, 09 predator worlds, 10 dcc, harriman/schmidt, and many, many others.... my current high run is 48 but I average out around 26.

This is a slightly inaccurate number however. I am still in Iraq and can only play on a terrible 4x8...dead rails, slow cloth, more rolls than a bakery and 4.5ish(+) inch pockets. My Goal is 50 on a diamond (stateside) before January and get my average inning up into the mid 30's.

Dave Nelson
06-29-2010, 07:25 AM
Thanks Elvi

I would be ecstatic just to hit 30.

Dave

sascha
06-29-2010, 08:40 AM
I would be ecstatic just to hit 30

Me too !!!!!! It seems like i forgot how to play pool since i ran the 118 !!! Jesus Christ STOP THAT SHIT !!!:angry::angry::angry::angry:

poolplayer2093
06-29-2010, 08:59 AM
I am 41 years old.

My birthday is June 24.

My goal is to run my age before my next birthday.

In practice or competition, I do not care which.

I currently claim my hi run as 14.

I will revisit this thread as the year progresses.

i just saw this thread and the date. did you make it?

poolplayer2093
06-29-2010, 09:35 AM
Me too !!!!!! It seems like i forgot how to play pool since i ran the 118 !!! Jesus Christ STOP THAT SHIT !!!:angry::angry::angry::angry:

say it ain't so man! your 118 video inspired me to take up playing 14.1 again. if you cant do it again what chance do the rest of us have

sascha
06-29-2010, 10:37 PM
say it ain't so man! your 118 video inspired me to take up playing 14.1 again. if you cant do it again what chance do the rest of us have

I can do it again, itīs just that the bad days overweigh the good days a lot. I didnīt get over 3 Racks for almost 2 weeks now, either i played bad or got horrible rolls whatever....I know this will change suddenly again and the i probably hit 70 or so

Wink
07-20-2010, 08:38 AM
Great thread idea.

Ok, I'll start small. My goal is 30 balls by the end of 2010. It has been many years since I have practiced, or played 14.1. I need to get my stroke back first of all.

I can't transition from one rack to another AT ALL. Shooting open racks out, I can do fairly regularly. Set-up, key ball, break ball... end patterns, I stink at.

So, I have to be realistic. I need to learn to transition racks first. Then I can up my goals.

elvicash
08-05-2010, 08:59 PM
on the road working in south metro Cleveland, Played tonight at Crown Billiards, Akron (17 miles from hotel) Nice place big pockets cloth was slow. 4,11,1,2,23,10,0,2,10,5,1

I am going to put up my True Rack website next week.

elvicash
08-17-2010, 05:45 AM
Working on doing brainwash drills last week and thi week, simplifying my patterns. Get out of line still on the last couple of balls more than I should have got to stay on the right side of the line.

I am working on my bridge

dmgwalsh
08-17-2010, 06:41 AM
Working on doing brainwash drills last week and thi week, simplifying my patterns. Get out of line still on the last couple of balls more than I should have got to stay on the right side of the line.

I am working on my bridge

I've been doing them, too. Not always successful, but sometimes. Also doing some "L" drills, since we bounce off the walls a lot. Trying to work on my stroke, but it is difficult.'

I am sitting out Red Shoes this summer and just playing IBC on Thursdays.
Every Monday, however, I play scotch doubles with Latimer for about 3 or 4 hours at Red Shoes to try to learn more.

It is working somewhat as I have a 12-6 record at IBC after having gone up in handicap last session when I got 2nd place. Right now, Jeff Mohl is leading at 13-7, and there are a few guys at 10-8 with about 4 weeks to go.

elvicash
08-17-2010, 08:13 PM
I've been doing them, too. Not always successful, but sometimes. Also doing some "L" drills, since we bounce off the walls a lot. Trying to work on my stroke, but it is difficult.'

I am sitting out Red Shoes this summer and just playing IBC on Thursdays.
Every Monday, however, I play scotch doubles with Latimer for about 3 or 4 hours at Red Shoes to try to learn more.

It is working somewhat as I have a 12-6 record at IBC after having gone up in handicap last session when I got 2nd place. Right now, Jeff Mohl is leading at 13-7, and there are a few guys at 10-8 with about 4 weeks to go.

I need to work on the L drills. I did some earlier this summer with 11 balls, I get around that one pretty regular sometime 2 or 3 in a row. I have problems with 15 so i back number down till I have success.

Good luck in league, I am on the fence about 14.1 league this year. I won the league last 2 years, but think I will just play bar table 8 ball with Williebetmore. Our straight pool league is not competivie but about 3 guys or so, the great players all dropped out (Jeanette Lee, George Breedlove, Jeff Beckley, Nesley Ohare etc) and the guy who runs it does the handicaps on estimate. I tried to get him to consider the floating handicap based on performace using your excel files he is not interested. The people who play like play, but they are not working on thier games it is mostly social, they do want to win but the social is higher priority for most. If I do not play the 14.1 , I will be working only my hi run goal.

elvicash
09-18-2010, 02:23 PM
I have been rebuilding my game, working on stance and alignment really it more refining than alignment. The major thing I have done is worked on improving my patterns. To do that I said I would run a 100 brainwash successful drills. I finished that up today. I have been doing mostly brainwash drills for 3 weeks. I probably ran 200 more that ended at 12-14 balls. I know it is going to help my game.

I have played a little straight along the way but now I am open to whatever. My opinion on the brainwash drills is it really has helped me a lot. I see my patterns quite a bit better and thing this will transfer over to 14.1. I am killing the rock alot better, I am walking around and checking my next shots angle alot more, these are all real improvements for me.

I went to the Cue today and played 2 quick games to 50. First game I was off a little got beat 50-44. Second game was the same guy, I ran a 17 and an 18 and my opponent only got to 4. He quit so I did not get a chance to crack it wide open in game 3.

dmgwalsh
09-20-2010, 12:27 PM
I have been rebuilding my game, working on stance and alignment really it more refining than alignment. The major thing I have done is worked on improving my patterns. To do that I said I would run a 100 brainwash successful drills. I finished that up today. I have been doing mostly brainwash drills for 3 weeks. I probably ran 200 more that ended at 12-14 balls. I know it is going to help my game.

I have played a little straight along the way but now I am open to whatever. My opinion on the brainwash drills is it really has helped me a lot. I see my patterns quite a bit better and thing this will transfer over to 14.1. I am killing the rock alot better, I am walking around and checking my next shots angle alot more, these are all real improvements for me.

I went to the Cue today and played 2 quick games to 50. First game I was off a little got beat 50-44. Second game was the same guy, I ran a 17 and an 18 and my opponent only got to 4. He quit so I did not get a chance to crack it wide open in game 3.

Dana: That sounds like a good recipe for success. I tried mostly doing that drill for a few weeks but did not do it anywhere near what you did. I eagerly await the report of your new high run. :grin:

elvicash
09-24-2010, 06:06 AM
Thanks for the positive input Dennis. I am working on my planning and pattern play. This is new to my game as I used to try to feel my way through runs I would plan but not quite as distinct as I am trying now. I hope it does turn into some sort of number worth talking about. I played some yesterday with a great player and the score was prety lopsided the wrong way.

Stuff I am working on is forming a pattern during a game.
Forming a new pattern when I get off track rather than sticking to my original pattern, this one is tough on me.
SPF and squaring up whenever possible.
Pressing my bridge and relaxing my shooting hand.
Getting down on my setup/ putting my shaft into view

On item I definitely have to work on is getting comfortable when playing with players I consider above my level. When I get in those situations I mentally do not feel as strong and my stance and game changes, I find I emulate them (the better player) mid game (somthing I used to do when starting out) I have to be myself/ find my standard setup when I play and I want to feel the same as I feel when I practice. My at the table focus is totally lost sometimes and I fall back into just trying to shoot and my game is no longer a game at all. One thing I need to do is practice in a wider variety of locations my man cave is great but I need to get out more. I need to play more people.

Ratta
09-24-2010, 07:36 AM
I have been rebuilding my game, working on stance and alignment really it more refining than alignment. The major thing I have done is worked on improving my patterns. To do that I said I would run a 100 brainwash successful drills. I finished that up today. I have been doing mostly brainwash drills for 3 weeks. I probably ran 200 more that ended at 12-14 balls. I know it is going to help my game.

I have played a little straight along the way but now I am open to whatever. My opinion on the brainwash drills is it really has helped me a lot. I see my patterns quite a bit better and thing this will transfer over to 14.1. I am killing the rock alot better, I am walking around and checking my next shots angle alot more, these are all real improvements for me.

I went to the Cue today and played 2 quick games to 50. First game I was off a little got beat 50-44. Second game was the same guy, I ran a 17 and an 18 and my opponent only got to 4. He quit so I did not get a chance to crack it wide open in game 3.

Nice Evil,

:) the Brainwash-drill *rules*. Keep on the good work- keep shooting, and remind. Always think BEFORE shooting, and then shoot WITHOUT thinking mate!

I m pretty sure your game increase soon :)

lg
Ingo

elvicash
10-02-2010, 04:31 AM
Nice Evil,

:) the Brainwash-drill *rules*. Keep on the good work- keep shooting, and remind. Always think BEFORE shooting, and then shoot WITHOUT thinking mate!

I m pretty sure your game increase soon :)

lg
Ingo

Right on Ratta, I am playing alot lately with a strong player who is feeding me some serious knowledge so I hope to be putting a good plan together consitently. One thing I am having problems with is getting a plan and being just a little out of it if position mositions or something and staying married to the original plan, I need to constantly hone and adjust my plan. I put together a 27 in my last game I was going to 100, missed a nice 70 deg under the rack break shot.

sausage
10-02-2010, 05:38 PM
I need to constantly hone and adjust my plan.

if you aren't constantly doing this your run will soon end.

elvicash
10-04-2010, 05:59 AM
if you aren't constantly doing this your run will soon end.

You are right sausage I think that is why I have ran alot 14-28 runs instead of alot of 35 to 50 ball runs. I shoot pretty straight but have always tried to use that to run the balls instead of using my head more. I am a slow learner on the pool table I guess but it is starting to come.

I need to name / categoraize the balls better in my head. I am learning to walk alot more to be sure that the balls are how I think they are or more correctly to see how the balls are so I can base my plan on that, I have been more than a bit lazy in the past. I am trying to put in more work, the best players make it seem easy or simple and it is I am sure for them that is easy work but work all the same.

I am shooting softer on alot of shots as well and that is good too. I am going downstairs now to see if I can put together a number

justnum
10-04-2010, 07:00 AM
My all-time league high was Saturday with a run of 10 balls.

I will be working on my break shot this week because I missed a lot of those. My problem is speed selection on break shots.

elvicash
10-05-2010, 07:23 AM
I made a run of 25. This is typical of what I run, I do not watch video of me much but I notice that I really slow down in the second rack I think this pace might be an issue for me. 5 minutes first rack almost 9 for the second including the racking need to work on my pace.

Here is the link

http://www.vimeo.com/15564180

Vimeo says it is converting so it will take a few minutes.

Comments are welcome.

14-1StraightMan
10-05-2010, 08:03 AM
I made a run of 25. This is typical of what I run, I do not watch video of me much but I notice that I really slow down in the second rack I think this pace might be an issue for me. 5 minutes first rack almost 9 for the second including the racking need to work on my pace.

Here is the link

http://www.vimeo.com/15564180

Vimeo says it is converting so it will take a few minutes.

Comments are welcome.



Keep up the good work. I have not had a chance to watch your video yet but I will later on.
The wife has a doctor's appointment.
A reason that a player slows down and gets out of their pace. Many times it is b/c he or she is not as confident in their game as they should be and they are becoming nervous during their run. This takes time to control. Remember the feeling you had when you got through the first rack...... how good it felt. Now, you are hitting 25......
Sounds like good steps to me. Keep up the good work. Practice and try to play matches with other players. Good Luck.

stevekur1
10-05-2010, 08:55 AM
my highrun goals would just be to top them by 1 point.

so that means i would like to set mine at :

81 in game
and
120 in practice ! (hopefully the camera is going)

of course i wont stop(hopefully) if and when i get there ! i would like to do it by the end of the year !!

-Steve

dmgwalsh
10-05-2010, 09:32 AM
Just watched it. Looks like you had a good key ball and break ball in the last rack, too, but left those two balls tied up too long and then shot off your break and key.

14 minutes for 25 is a bit slow. I can't run quickly either but Bill M. says a pace like this is impossible to sustain. Takes too much out of you.
Keep at it.

dmgwalsh
10-05-2010, 09:35 AM
my highrun goals would just be to top them by 1 point.

so that means i would like to set mine at :

81 in game
and
120 in practice ! (hopefully the camera is going)

of course i wont stop(hopefully) if and when i get there ! i would like to do it by the end of the year !!

-Steve

Steve:

This post is about Dana and his attempts to run a good number. ;)

Any suggestions for ELVI(s Presley, Johnny) CASH ?:confused:

stevekur1
10-05-2010, 10:20 AM
Sorry Dennis I didn't know this thread was geared towards a perticular person.


I think my goal should be everyones.

Just try and best your run by 1, this way it is not too far out of reach, and it won't hawk over you on every shot !

-Steve

dmgwalsh
10-05-2010, 10:31 AM
Sorry Dennis I didn't know this thread was geared towards a perticular person.


I think my goal should be everyones.

Just try and best your run by 1, this way it is not too far out of reach, and it won't hawk over you on every shot !

-Steve

Just breaking your balls a little bit, Steve.

Dana has had this one going for years. He has been trying to run his age; every year the goal changes.

stevekur1
10-05-2010, 11:37 AM
Just breaking your balls a little bit, Steve.



If anyones balls need to be broken it Mapo's.....WTF where is he hiding ???? The 18th Hole !!!!

dmgwalsh
10-05-2010, 11:51 AM
If anyones balls need to be broken it Mapo's.....WTF where is he hiding ???? The 18th Hole !!!!

I do think he's got the golf bug bad. He wakes up in the middle of the night to watch the Ryder cup, buys golf shit on ebay, goes to driving ranges, buys new clubs, etc., etc.

But...his employee is off getting his heart looked at and orders must be filled. Those racing engines don't just come together on their own. I think he would love to be sitting ringside watching Oliver and the boys string hondos together, but I guess it is not to be this year.

stevekur1
10-05-2010, 11:55 AM
OH, i am sorry to hear that there are someones health issues involved.

wish him my best for me. i would call him but i dont have his number. i forgot to save it at Valley Forge !

-Steve

Blackjack
10-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Dana,

As I promised you during our phone conversation, I'll try to do a 44+ every day just for you and post it - here is a 51 w/ commentary from this morning. This run isn't that pretty, but there is something to learn in every run.

51 w/commentary 10-05-10 (http://vimeo.com/15578293)

Just concentrate on the process and eventually you'll get those higher numbers.

stevekur1
10-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Dana,

As I promised you during our phone conversation, I'll try to do a 44+ every day just for you and post it - here is a 51 w/ commentary from this morning. This run isn't that pretty, but there is something to learn in every run.

51 w/commentary 10-05-10 (http://vimeo.com/15578293)

Just concentrate on the process and eventually you'll get those higher numbers.

Nice shooting Dave.

maybe you can make a new post everyday to bring some life back into this great forum we have here. call each one like "_ _ Ball Run For Dana xx/xx/xx"

-Steve

elvicash
10-05-2010, 08:17 PM
Blackjack I watched the 51 nice commentary. You really do not have to run a 44 for me everyday. I will focus a little more on running my age. I will start playing with camcorder more so I can catch my own 44+ run.

Wish I was going to Jersey good luck to all participants.

elvicash
10-06-2010, 03:29 PM
Ran a 21 and a 24 this morning

elvicash
10-29-2010, 08:42 PM
Played bad tonight real bad played a strong player who kept me sitting 10-15 minutes at a time. I kept getting up and doinking balls into the rail completely out of mojo.

Bankin-B
10-31-2010, 10:04 PM
Blackjack I watched the 51 nice commentary. You really do not have to run a 44 for me everyday. I will focus a little more on running my age. I will start playing with camcorder more so I can catch my own 44+ run.

Wish I was going to Jersey good luck to all participants.

A little advice is that you can flirt and practice all you want, but when its time to dance its a different story. you have to get out and get in action or play alot of tournaments to season yourself and toughen up. you would be suprised of your consistancy and you can reach your goals of running higher numbers.

14-1StraightMan
11-01-2010, 12:58 PM
A little advice is that you can flirt and practice all you want, but when its time to dance its a different story. you have to get out and get in action or play alot of tournaments to season yourself and toughen up. you would be suprised of your consistency and you can reach your goals of running higher numbers.


Very good point but once a player gets that seasoned consistency, practice is just as important. Yes, getting out into tournaments will toughen up a player but one needs to be careful not to jump into the fire too soon. It can have a opposite affect on a player. Each player is different. Going about how to raise one's level to higher levels is different. It is like that in all walks of Life (job performance, sports etc.).
Appreciate your comments. That is what our 14.1 Forum is all about.

Bankin-B
11-07-2010, 12:44 AM
Ran a 21 and a 24 this morning

Dana, The friday after thanksgiving their is a Turkey Blowout tournament which is the best 8-ball tournament in town. The same time they are having the same tournament at brickyard billiards which John Scoonfield is calling it the Turkey Blowout, nothing against Bill and Tommy, but Its not right for John to call it the turkey Blowout because we have ran that tournament for about 9 years, we hope to see you and others at the event.