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Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 08:29 AM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. I play pedal steel guitar and on the Steel Guitar Forum you always know who you're talking to. Even if an nickname is used the person's real name is listed under the nickname.

Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

I go to the player profile and I still don't get a name. Maybe this is an insidious problem particular to pool players? Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

In my pool room everything is above board. All players know each other, don't hustle any unsuspecting people, and (mostly) behave like gentlemen.
Rudolfo Luat came into my room 10 years ago looking for a game, and I told everyone who he was, like I do all hustlers and players, and he only said, "I understand, you're protecting your customers". He was nice about it. Unlike some players I've run into that get miffed that I "spoiled their action".

Thing is, even if he didn't understand, I would have spoiled his action. And that's one reason I don't get a lot of hustlers coming through Danny K's.

Believe me, we have some really good players who play at my place, but they don't need to hustle, and they understand it doesn't work at Danny K's.

Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K

Black-Balled
10-16-2007, 08:31 AM
While we are on the topic:

What's what?

Crap! WHAT'S WHAT?

Blackjack
10-16-2007, 08:31 AM
I'm Jay Helfert.
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lol... j/k ... David Sapolis

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 08:36 AM
Thanks, David, glad to know who you are.
Danny

supergreenman
10-16-2007, 08:38 AM
I'm Jay Helfert.
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lol... j/k ... David Sapolis

Haha

um my name is on my signature line

iba7467
10-16-2007, 08:45 AM
I am Daniell Hill. Says so in my profile. Lists the level I play. When you are not a champion and can't beat everyone even, let it be known what you need to play.

Cajun_Pool
10-16-2007, 08:48 AM
Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

...Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

Danny, You're reading WAY too much into this. I moderate another forum and we've had this similar discussion. It's more of an internet anonymity issue than a pool player thing.

You get the same thing on other forums. Some have more of a sense of family than others.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 08:49 AM
Geez I'm sorry to ruffle any feathers, but at least can't you put your name on your profile? I notice a few people post a name but most don't.
I understand any ill feelings, but how about genuine reasons for not posting names? Crap and HAHA don't say a whole lot.

Danny

s'portplayer
10-16-2007, 08:52 AM
The ladies call me BIG PAPA THE PANTY DROPPA. My pool playing family calls me CHICKEN CHOKE CHARLIE. My girlfriend calls me SH(**SS. And, for the finale, my mommy calls me Jeffery Roblow.

ShootingArts
10-16-2007, 08:54 AM
Danny,

You won't find my name, address, date of birth, social security number, or other personal information on a forum. Two words, data mining. Once I put my e-mail in every post and looked down on those that didn't. Someone with data mining software hit that forum and all that posted an e-mail were deluged with spam including from porn sites and others that could be career limiting on a business computer that you may be allowed to surf the net with otherwise.

I sign the same name I have used for almost forty years on every forum. Everywhere I can I also use that name as my board "handle". If anyone knows me from a pool hall or any of the arenas I have competed in they know "Hu" my full name would be meaningless to them.

Friends have been stalked successfully and my firewalls and other defenses were under attack from the members of two rogue forums that objected to the way I ran mine. One board owner even offered a bounty for information concerning me. I'm not going to make things easy for such people. If I wanted to I could use your name to get your home address, the names of your likely family members, your current wife if any, and past wives if any. If I am really interested I can learn your financial and criminal history if any.

In short, I don't post my full name because it isn't needed and it gives others a toehold to invade my privacy or a toehold for identity theft, something else that has happened to people I know.

Hu

I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. I play pedal steel guitar and on the Steel Guitar Forum you always know who you're talking to. Even if an nickname is used the person's real name is listed under the nickname.

Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

I go to the player profile and I still don't get a name. Maybe this is an insidious problem particular to pool players? Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

In my pool room everything is above board. All players know each other, don't hustle any unsuspecting people, and (mostly) behave like gentlemen.
Rudolfo Luat came into my room 10 years ago looking for a game, and I told everyone who he was, like I do all hustlers and players, and he only said, "I understand, you're protecting your customers". He was nice about it. Unlike some players I've run into that get miffed that I "spoiled their action".

Thing is, even if he didn't understand, I would have spoiled his action. And that's one reason I don't get a lot of hustlers coming through Danny K's.

Believe me, we have some really good players who play at my place, but they don't need to hustle, and they understand it doesn't work at Danny K's.

Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K

1 Pocket Ghost
10-16-2007, 08:56 AM
My name is Cesar Morales.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 08:59 AM
Okay maybe it's my experience in the pool culture that is making me skeptical, if that's the case, I'll drop it. Just seems to be a pool thing for everyone to be incognito, and I believe it happens to be a problem with pool, in general. I didn't know that most forums use handles like this for the sake of anonymity. I'm not used to this. Sorry.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 09:01 AM
Hu, how about a first name, though?

Danny

Andrew Manning
10-16-2007, 09:03 AM
I like the anonymity; this way I can say whatever I want, and the only information anyone has to trace it back to me is my first and last name, general location, date of birth, and occupation. Anyone who needs my SSN, credit card #, and mother's maiden name, send me a PM.

Just messing with you Danny. A lot of people are kinda paranoid about this stuff. I think that's your answer.

-Andrew

noRulez
10-16-2007, 09:04 AM
Actually, out of all the diverse forums (programming, cars, etc) I visit, I see the most people divulging their full names here. I try not to do it for the same reasons ShootingArts mentioned (pretty much).

Black-Balled
10-16-2007, 09:05 AM
Hu, how about a first name, though?

Danny
You already have one. Stop being so greedy or you will be required to change your name to Greed McGreedy.

Hope you are smiling thru this...certainly fun intended!

beetle
10-16-2007, 09:09 AM
I think there have been examples where non-anonymous people innocently posted they were going to such and such tournament, and had posted at prior times about their valuable cue collections, and bingo, they had their collection stolen.

That's an extreme example, but why make it easy for opportunistic criminals to take advantage of you?

I'm not entirely anonymous. Some people know me, and I'm sure if others felt so inclined, they could figure out who I was by googling for a few hours based on tidbits from my posts, but the point is, it's not easy.

Besides, it is kind of the Forum culture to have nicknames.

Flex
10-16-2007, 09:11 AM
My name is Cesar Morales.

LOL .......

mosconiac
10-16-2007, 09:14 AM
How would knowing my name give you any more information about me than knowing my forum name? It's just a few more letters that will tell you NOTHING about me...

...unless you go digging like someone did to Travis Trotter...oh yeah, maybe that's why I don't go out of my way to post my full name.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 09:25 AM
I guess I'll stand down on this one. Sorry. It's more universal than I thought.
Danny

bomber
10-16-2007, 09:27 AM
1. My name is Aaron
2. I live in Louisville
3. I teach school
4. I need a spot from most everyone
5. I play one pocket and nine ball for cheap cash if the game is right
6. I refuse to play banks with anyone for the cash since
moving to Louisville. :) so stop asking already!!!!
7. I am just a banger who really loves the game
8. I have a degree in History from Murray State University
9. I am an avid writer and reader
10. I play with a capone and a varney (both great cues)
11. I am getting married next June
12. I can be found at the Billiards Club of Louisville or at Oliver's Billiards from
time to time.
13. Introduce yourself if you are ever there...I love meeting people from AZ
14. By the way...did I mention I was a banger?
15. Also, I wanted to make sure that everyone understood, I do need a spot
most players.

Mike Templeton
10-16-2007, 09:27 AM
No...No...I'm Jay Helfert

Mike

bigskyjake
10-16-2007, 09:30 AM
my name is Ruffles McWaffleton

ShootingArts
10-16-2007, 09:31 AM
Hu, how about a first name, though?

Danny


Hu is my first name as spelled on my driver's license, checks, and the sign in front of businesses I have owned in the past. It was also the name painted on my race cars. I was introduced to thousands of people weekly as Hu. Plain and simple, anyone that doesn't know me as Hu, doesn't know me.

Hu

noRulez
10-16-2007, 09:32 AM
Pea Tear Griffen <-Family guy reference there.

bgood
10-16-2007, 09:35 AM
My name is Bill G., I work with internet related software and such daily, there is no way I would use anymore info than that. There is way to much mischief on the internet. No offense but if you do your not very smart.;)

jsp
10-16-2007, 09:37 AM
You can call me Mr. Pea. My first name is Jay, and my middle initial is S.

Snapshot9
10-16-2007, 09:37 AM
My name is in my signature and always has been. Name isn't that important, but I would like to know poster's location because it matters when discussing certain subjects.

BTW, a person on the East Coast got into an ongoing riff with a poster on a forum from Texas, took vacation, drove to Texas, found the poster, and killed him, so some precautions are justified.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 09:52 AM
Okinawa Rob, Yes I'm afraid I would tell people how good you play, but I still might have some players who would step up and play you. I'm just honest with my customers. They spend money in my place and they've become my friends and I don't appreciate someone coming in and taking their money when I know how good they play, and understand that my friend and customer doesn't have a chance. As thier friend it's the least I can do.

And, if you would have been a customer of mine, I would have told you about Jimmy Reid. Sorry, I don't agree with that lifestyle, that it's a good honest way to make a living and example to set for people searching for what to do with their life.

That said, when Mike Massey was on the road he would walk into a place and say (something to the effect of) I'm a player and I'll play anyone here for cash!" Never stalling but always playing his game.

That, I admire.

Danny

jay helfert
10-16-2007, 09:52 AM
My name is.........Oh shit, too late!

Hey, is your name really Danny Kuykendal? I've never heard of such a silly name before. Are you sure you're not making that up? What's your real name? :)

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 09:53 AM
Jay, $#%!!! you.

Danny

ShootingArts
10-16-2007, 09:57 AM
My name is in my signature and always has been. Name isn't that important, but I would like to know poster's location because it matters when discussing certain subjects.

BTW, a person on the East Coast got into an ongoing riff with a poster on a forum from Texas, took vacation, drove to Texas, found the poster, and killed him, so some precautions are justified.

I have had a handful of threats over the years. If I lay everything out on a plate for someone they may rush to me in hot blood and make a mistake. If I make someone work to find me then they have had time to cool off. If they still show up it puts the meeting in a different light.

I had someone that was upset with me drive over thirteen hundred miles round trip to talk to me less than ten minutes, twice! Gas was cheaper then.

Hu

Scott Lee
10-16-2007, 09:59 AM
No...No...I'm Jay Helfert

Mike

I don't want to be Jay...I want to be Fatboy! :D...well, at least live in his house! Primo digs my friend! :D

Scott Lee

HollyWood
10-16-2007, 10:00 AM
I might not always be right but I am never wrong. Everybody see's things in a different light. what does a name add to a comment? My father did genealigy stuff for 15 yrs. A splendid account of a nearly forgotten era in America'a past. Astory of courage, community, and war. My forefathers occupation was emperor! My name is on the Mayflowers Compact.I am passionate and immpusive in temperment, a gentleman of singular piety, rare humility and great condescendency. I was wealthy had to sell my personal estate. I will be your governor here

catscradle
10-16-2007, 10:02 AM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. I play pedal steel guitar and on the Steel Guitar Forum you always know who you're talking to. Even if an nickname is used the person's real name is listed under the nickname.

Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

I go to the player profile and I still don't get a name. Maybe this is an insidious problem particular to pool players? Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

In my pool room everything is above board. All players know each other, don't hustle any unsuspecting people, and (mostly) behave like gentlemen.
Rudolfo Luat came into my room 10 years ago looking for a game, and I told everyone who he was, like I do all hustlers and players, and he only said, "I understand, you're protecting your customers". He was nice about it. Unlike some players I've run into that get miffed that I "spoiled their action".

Thing is, even if he didn't understand, I would have spoiled his action. And that's one reason I don't get a lot of hustlers coming through Danny K's.

Believe me, we have some really good players who play at my place, but they don't need to hustle, and they understand it doesn't work at Danny K's.

Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K

FWIW. and that ain't much, my name is Steve Ellis from the Boston area. I play pool and soccer (age appropriate) and can't wait to retire if my 401K ever grows enough (it's shirinking today:eek: :( ).
And if you're wondering where "Catscradle" comes from, it is the name of one of my favorite books by one of my favorite authors, Kurt Vonnegut.

Southpaw
10-16-2007, 10:05 AM
No...No...I'm Jay Helfert

Mike


Would the real Jay Helfert, please stand up......

Southpaw

catscradle
10-16-2007, 10:06 AM
I might not always be right but I am never wrong. Everybody see's things in a different light. what does a name add to a comment? My father did genealigy stuff for 15 yrs. A splendid account of a nearly forgotten era in America'a past. Astory of courage, community, and war. My forefathers occupation was emperor! My name is on the Mayflowers Compact.I am passionate and immpusive in temperment, a gentleman of singular piety, rare humility and great condescendency. I was wealthy had to sell my personal estate. I will be your governor here
If you're serious...
Several of my direct ancestors are on that document too. Probably several of yours too, if you have one you have serveral, it was a pretty small community back then.
Of course, that doesn't get me much. lol.

beetle
10-16-2007, 10:10 AM
... a gentleman of singular piety, rare humility and great condescendency. ....

Condescendency, now that's a new one. Is that the having the tendency to be condescending?!?

1 Pocket Ghost
10-16-2007, 10:26 AM
Condescendency, now that's a new one. Is that the having the tendency to be condescending?!?


No, condescending means: being against going downward.....^_^

ScottW
10-16-2007, 10:30 AM
My name is Inigo Montoya.

You killed my father.

Prepare to DIE!

:D

http://www.alphageek.com/images/inigo.jpg

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 10:32 AM
Steve, I think I've played you in a tournament before. Didn't you play at the Bicycle Club a couple of years ago in a UPA event? This is one reason it's nice to know who you're talking to. You can sometimes relate on a different level. I understand if people feel that they're compromising their own identity, though.

Danny

Blackjack
10-16-2007, 10:48 AM
Steve, I think I've played you in a tournament before. Didn't you play at the Bicycle Club a couple of years ago in a UPA event? This is one reason it's nice to know who you're talking to. You can sometimes relate on a different level. I understand if people feel that they're compromising their own identity, though.

Danny

I believe you're thinking of Steve Lillis. Here's a head shot for the wanted posters.

http://www.gospeltrickshot.org/assets/images/SteveHead.jpg

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 10:54 AM
Yes, that would be Steve.
Danny

Terry Ardeno
10-16-2007, 10:55 AM
6. I refuse to play banks with anyone for the cash since
moving to Louisville. :) so stop asking already!!!! .

THAT is funny!:D

beetle
10-16-2007, 11:03 AM
Yes, that would be Steve.
Danny

Yes, and that's not me. I'm the Steve L. nobody's heard of!

shark3149
10-16-2007, 11:06 AM
I am Nate Ludy

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:10 AM
That's ok Steve, at least I know who I'm speaking with.
Danny

ez2h8
10-16-2007, 11:27 AM
I will say my name is Chuck and from the Cleveland area. :)

I was a moderator for a very popular PC gaming forum and it was more of a family/first name atmosphere. Still had to watch each other as PC gamers are natural hacks. :P

Give it some time here and you will see how friendly and supportive everyone is. Lots of great people and good information, even if you don't get name, rank and state info. :P lol

ez

mikepage
10-16-2007, 11:50 AM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. [...]

Here's what I had to say on the issue two years ago

And by the way, I still think this anonymity crap is a big impediment to this forum improving. Also I've been to Danny's pool room (Danny K's) in Orange CO, CA. Nice place. I recommend people check it out.

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I think you invented the internet Smorg.

I've met and played pool with you, with Bob jewett, with Fred cornerman Agnir, with John onepocketchump barton-collins, with Murray Tucker, with Deno Andrews, with Steve Ellis who posts under some name I don't remember, with Joey Aguzin, and with many others who used to post to RSB.

In the old days you and JimboCT (who I've also donated to) were the outliers, the ones who posted under fake names. Pretty much everyone else used their real names. IMO, this forum can only get so good as long as you're having a discussion with rackdude or hustler42 or whatever. I know that when I'm thinking about taking time to respond carefully to something or try to engage in a discussion that takes some effort, I'm reluctant to do it if I don't even know who I'm responding to, if contributers are not going to own up to and stand by what they say.

Anonymous contributors, like people willing to flip the bird to someone driving by at 60 mph, are the biggest impediment to this board improving, imo.

I started a thread last week, "What's with the fake names?" There were many, many responses. I saw lots of paranoia, and I saw lots of people comfortably wrapped in their cloak af anoniminty. But I saw no reasonable arguments for doing it.

Come on, the new year is coming. Before others can take you seriously, you should choose to be something other than a cyber crank caller.

If you owe child support and are hiding, or if you have pool discussion banned as a condition of your parole, then I understand. Otherwise, git with the program and put the weight of your SELF behind what you say.

mike page
fargo
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Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:57 AM
Mike, well said. I think it's nice to engage someone in a discussion whom you know a little. Even if it's a first name only. I know a lot of people in the billiard business. I was a player in the 70s and in the eighties I ran a billiard supply and now a pool room.

One of the guys has a Keith McCready picture below his name. Is that Keith? If I knew I could respond to who it is.

Danny

beetle
10-16-2007, 12:05 PM
Who the person is saying something should not make it important or worthy, it is the content of what is said that makes it important.

To suggest that anything said under the cloak of anonymity is an "impediment fo the forum improving" is ridiculous. There are thousands of members and thousands of posts every few days by people who don't use their name. Only a very small fraction of posts are by people who's screen name matches their real name.

If you were to condense out only those posts (and only those non-anonymous members), you would have a very lonely and superficial site. Nothing would destroy the forum quicker than that.

This forum, like the 10,000 other forums across the internet, is doing just fine with its level of anonymity.


Here's what I had to say on the issue two years ago

And by the way, I still think this anonymity crap is a big impediment to this forum improving. Also I've been to Danny's pool room (Danny K's) in Orange CO, CA. Nice place. I recommend people check it out.

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I think you invented the internet Smorg.

I've met and played pool with you, with Bob jewett, with Fred cornerman Agnir, with John onepocketchump barton-collins, with Murray Tucker, with Deno Andrews, with Steve Ellis who posts under some name I don't remember, with Joey Aguzin, and with many others who used to post to RSB.

In the old days you and JimboCT (who I've also donated to) were the outliers, the ones who posted under fake names. Pretty much everyone else used their real names. IMO, this forum can only get so good as long as you're having a discussion with rackdude or hustler42 or whatever. I know that when I'm thinking about taking time to respond carefully to something or try to engage in a discussion that takes some effort, I'm reluctant to do it if I don't even know who I'm responding to, if contributers are not going to own up to and stand by what they say.

Anonymous contributors, like people willing to flip the bird to someone driving by at 60 mph, are the biggest impediment to this board improving, imo.

I started a thread last week, "What's with the fake names?" There were many, many responses. I saw lots of paranoia, and I saw lots of people comfortably wrapped in their cloak af anoniminty. But I saw no reasonable arguments for doing it.

Come on, the new year is coming. Before others can take you seriously, you should choose to be something other than a cyber crank caller.

If you owe child support and are hiding, or if you have pool discussion banned as a condition of your parole, then I understand. Otherwise, git with the program and put the weight of your SELF behind what you say.

mike page
fargo
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p.s. The avatar is not me.

Donny Wessels
10-16-2007, 12:13 PM
Hey Danny, how's it going.


my name's Sundown Wessels, but I need to put my last name with a first name like Sundown, do I? see you around Danny.

jsp
10-16-2007, 12:15 PM
...and I saw lots of people comfortably wrapped in their cloak af anoniminty. But I saw no reasonable arguments for doing it.
What would be the reasonable arguments for these people not to remain anonymous?

For people like myself, who aren't regulars in the pool industry/community, there really aren't any added advantages. Just risks.

BTW, I was kidding with my previous post. My first name is Joe. Why exactly would anyone want/need my last name?

Williebetmore
10-16-2007, 12:15 PM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. Danny K

DK,
Well, don't get totally discouraged; AZB is still a GREAT place to make contacts. Come down to the DCC AZB room; and you will have the opportunity to meet a large number of AZB'ers - names are put to faces; in person it is a bit easier to judge whom you should trust. I am now familiar with a bunch of previously anonymous AZB'ers; but I respect their preference to remain anonymous on the internet. There are tons of trolls that make brief appearances here before they flit off and leave the serious pool players alone.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 12:23 PM
Sundown! good to hear from you. Going great at DKS. Are you still recovering tables? I know I saw you at Danny K's a while back, but forgot the content of the conversation.

By the way, what's wrong with wanting to know whom you're speaking with. Is it such a big deal to give out your first name?

Danny

9 on the snap
10-16-2007, 12:30 PM
It takes me until wenesday to remember my name.

Fatboy
10-16-2007, 12:32 PM
I don't want to be Jay...I want to be Fatboy! :D...well, at least live in his house! Primo digs my friend! :D

Scott Lee


you can be me today.....all i need is the address where I can start sending the bills to......then poof.....your me. FYI it gets a bit pricey and isnt an nice as it appears to be. honestly I'm happier in my 2000 sqft house in LA. But for business etc. I have to have the "image" and it works so thus the Vegas house and I stole it too.

I went out to play last night and Jay dosent have to like it playing 8 ball, for what ever reason its my strongest game now and I hardly play it, I tried to play 1 pocket and I still dont have enough gray hair to bother with that game I was getting 9-6 from a guy I beat playing 8 ball and was even with in 9 ball(I should have won the 9 ball game but I gave him a few games) man my 1P game sucks.


welcome to the forum Danny K hang out for a while, perhaps you'll become a degenerate poster like Jay, myself and my other friends here who I dont know......figure that out. birds of a feather, dosent matter internet relationships can be close ones with strangers with common interests-unlike anywhere else.

Donny Wessels
10-16-2007, 12:32 PM
Danny,

yeah, still recovering tables. If you need anything give me a call. I also have a little store in Santa Ana. I have some Diamond tables on the showroom, with some Imperials and imports. I don't what the big deal is about first names. But for guys like us that are in the Industry, especially you being a top player, its no big deal.

keep up the good work at Danny K's and the food is great. How's Richard?

-Sundown

rayjay
10-16-2007, 12:33 PM
Hi, my name's rayjay and I'm an az addict...
:p

James
10-16-2007, 12:33 PM
Hi, I'm James!

Danny, I like the analogy to the driver who tailgates you in traffic then flips you off while flying around you. Or when someone merges and refuses to make eye contact and then guns it in front of you. Is this how these people act on foot? If they see a non-existant opening in a line at the grocery store, do they look away, throw their cart in front of you and then refuse to acknowledge your existance? Usually not...

I agree that these actions (in traffic) are due almost solely to the feeling of anonymity and power from being in the car.

As for the forum, I can see both sides. Unfortunately it's free and public so there isn't much you can do about it.

I think the best idea I've personally seen as a user/moderator/administrator of many forums in the past comes from one in particular.

When you register, you are required to put a real first and last name as well as an existing email account. Registration through email is required to prove it is valid. You have the option of making your last name hidden to other users, but you are required to have "First Name Last Initial" in your signature. I really see NO downside at all to a format like this. The moderators have your first/last/IP which is plenty if they ever needed it for anything important, and other users have some sort of a name to put to a face.

It won't ever happen, but we can dream!

-James Michelinie
address, email, phone number, SS#, left testicle all available upon request. PM for details.

dan_boersma
10-16-2007, 12:38 PM
My name is Dan.

I like lamp.

mikepage
10-16-2007, 12:39 PM
Who the person is saying something should not make it important or worthy, it is the content of what is said that makes it important.

You have to make a distinction between what kind of post you're judging here. If someone says, for instance, that an aiming system does or doesn't make geometric sense, and then they bolster that conclusion with careful reasoning, then--exactly as you say--It makes no difference who is saying it. The argument stands of falls on its merit.

However, many --most-- posts are not of this form. Many conclusions have either no support or incomplete support, and we are left to interpolate.

So, for instance, if someone says "That idea for a new poolroom won't work because blah blah blah," then the comment means a lot more to me if it comes from Jay Helfert than if it comes Hustledude-99 who might be a 19-year old who has only been in one pool room.



To suggest that anything said under the cloak of anonymity is an "impediment fo the forum improving" is ridiculous.

OK, but that's not what I said


There are thousands of members and thousands of posts every few days by people who don't use their name. Only a very small fraction of posts are by people who's screen name matches their real name.


It's more than a very small fraction. But I'll admit it's small. On the other hand, that small fraction, including the likes of --Bob Jewett, Jay Helfert, Jude Rosenstock, Patrick Johnson, Linda Carter, Joey Aguzin, Eydie Romano, David Sapolis, Scott Fraser, John Barton, Craig Riley, Andrew Manning, Colin Colenso, John Schmidt, Steve Lipsky, Scott Lee, Randy G. , Joe Tucker, Jack Madden, Billy Incardone, Mike Webb, Murray Tucker, Wei, Eric Yow, Alex Kanapilly, amongst many others, is responsible for a WAY disproportionate share of the quality content here.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 12:40 PM
Joe, No reason to know your last name, only a reason to identify with whom I'm speaking. I would never be for forcing people to put their first and last names on here, but why not choose to let everyone know who you are? Is it the billiard industry itself or a general paranoia that people have of being found out?

I probably have as much or more to lose by putting my full name up here. (By the way I mispelled my last name when I registered, and didn't know how to correct it. Had a hard time getting registered. It's actually spelled with two ls).

I suppose someone could enter your name into a database and find your ss# and all that, but can't most people who you know do that anyway?

I just find it a bit more fun to chat with people I know.

And look at Jay Helfert with all his money, he has no qualms about risking his identity here!

By the way Steve, I didn't mean to refer that you might be a dog at the pool table!

Danny

ShootingArts
10-16-2007, 12:54 PM
Danny is using a false name either here or on his own website.

Danny, after all the stink you have made about names, which is it one L or two at the end of your name? It matters to those interested in stalking you and ID theft. Of course most people really interested will simply try all likely spellings.

Enter your name at the link below, only one of dozens of free people search sites and see what you turn up. When I entered mine I found four past addresses dating back over twenty years, possible relatives included my brother, my sister-in-law, my father, my nephew, and my ex-wife under her current last name! I have no children or they would be listed also. For fees ranging from seven to under fifty dollars I can gain far more information and I can search multiple sites like this one and pool the free information together for a much more complete picture also. Information gained from one search provides the basis for new searches too.

I can provide far more valid reasons for not giving my name on public forums than you can provide valid reasons for needing it. The content of a person's past posts and the one you are currently reading provides all the credibility any reasonable person needs. On the other hand, it is handy for someone posting BS to know who they are talking to or they can easily get egg on their face. Nothing Funnier than "A" talking trash to "B" about a well known person and not knowing that "B" is that person! I have seen it happen.

Hu

http://web.public-records-now.com/(S(h3nx2u550j4c4455yu2cecbx))/default.aspx?lgid=008&piid=46&kid=574411205&from=pgn18000456&vw

chilli66
10-16-2007, 12:59 PM
p.s. The avatar is not me.

Now, I am in my avatar, but it's a multiple choice test!!:D

As for anonymity, I've gone by variants on the chilli theme for 10 years. Just habit really, although I did change to my real name on one other forum. The real name is Ade Brooks.

I've always been tempted to try the username Catpiss McNasty for some odd reason!;)

beetle
10-16-2007, 01:22 PM
On the other hand, that small fraction, including the likes of --Bob Jewett, Jay Helfert, Jude Rosenstock, Patrick Johnson, Linda Carter, Joey Aguzin, Eydie Romano, David Sapolis, Scott Fraser, John Barton, Craig Riley, Andrew Manning, Colin Colenso, John Schmidt, Steve Lipsky, Scott Lee, Randy G. , Joe Tucker, Jack Madden, Billy Incardone, Mike Webb, Murray Tucker, Wei, Eric Yow, Alex Kanapilly, amongst many others, is responsible for a WAY disproportionate share of the quality content here.

I agree, these people are gems to the board. But I also see the many gems residing among the anonymous majority: sjm, JAM, williebetmore, black-balled, etc.

Steve
p.s. my last name is very similar to the high performance engine in a vette....

jay helfert
10-16-2007, 01:23 PM
Joe, No reason to know your last name, only a reason to identify with whom I'm speaking. I would never be for forcing people to put their first and last names on here, but why not choose to let everyone know who you are? Is it the billiard industry itself or a general paranoia that people have of being found out?

I probably have as much or more to lose by putting my full name up here. (By the way I mispelled my last name when I registered, and didn't know how to correct it. Had a hard time getting registered. It's actually spelled with two ls).

I suppose someone could enter your name into a database and find your ss# and all that, but can't most people who you know do that anyway?

I just find it a bit more fun to chat with people I know.

And look at Jay Helfert with all his money, he has no qualms about risking his identity here!

By the way Steve, I didn't mean to refer that you might be a dog at the pool table!

Danny

Danny,

This is the only forum I post my real name on. Everywhere else on the internet I use a pseudonym. And I have a valid reason for using my real name here, that I will not go into now. Most of the smart guys understand why already.

By the way Danny, I sent you a PM. Did you get it?

jay helfert
10-16-2007, 01:26 PM
Now, I am in my avatar, but it's a multiple choice test!!:D

As for anonymity, I've gone by variants on the chilli theme for 10 years. Just habit really, although I did change to my real name on one other forum. The real name is Ade Brooks.

I've always been tempted to try the username Catpiss McNasty for some odd reason!;)

There was a Filthy McNasty that had some girly bars in L.A. in the 70's and 80's that were very successful. After a drug scandal he disappeared.

akaTrigger
10-16-2007, 01:27 PM
Now, I am in my avatar, but it's a multiple choice test!!:D

As for anonymity, I've gone by variants on the chilli theme for 10 years. Just habit really, although I did change to my real name on one other forum. The real name is Ade Brooks.

I've always been tempted to try the username Catpiss McNasty for some odd reason!;)

Catpiss McNasty. That got to finally reply to this thread!

-Melinda

akaTrigger
10-16-2007, 01:31 PM
Joe, No reason to know your last name, only a reason to identify with whom I'm speaking. I would never be for forcing people to put their first and last names on here, but why not choose to let everyone know who you are? Is it the billiard industry itself or a general paranoia that people have of being found out?

I probably have as much or more to lose by putting my full name up here. (By the way I mispelled my last name when I registered, and didn't know how to correct it. Had a hard time getting registered. It's actually spelled with two ls).

I suppose someone could enter your name into a database and find your ss# and all that, but can't most people who you know do that anyway?

I just find it a bit more fun to chat with people I know.

And look at Jay Helfert with all his money, he has no qualms about risking his identity here!

By the way Steve, I didn't mean to refer that you might be a dog at the pool table!

Danny

If that's the case, then I am Jay Helfert. ;)

-Melinda <-- (okay, this is my real name. My last name is difficult to spell and say, so Melinda is simply best).

jay helfert
10-16-2007, 01:34 PM
If that's the case, then I am Jay Helfert. ;)

-Melinda <-- (okay, this is my real name. My last name is difficult to spell and say, so Melinda is simply best).

Yeah, I'm loaded. That's why I'm hustling pool on the internet. :)

Franky
10-16-2007, 01:38 PM
I am Tuco.

"Wanted in fourteen counties of this State, the condemned is found guilty of murder, armed robbery of citizens, state banks, and post offices; the theft of sacred objects, arson in a state prison, perjury, bigamy, deserting his wife and children, inciting prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, receiving stolen goods, selling stolen goods, passing counterfeit money, and contrary to the laws of this State the condemned is guilty of using marked cards and loaded dice..."

sincerely,
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0002057/

chilli66
10-16-2007, 01:42 PM
There was a Filthy McNasty that had some girly bars in L.A. in the 70's and 80's that were very successful. After a drug scandal he disappeared.

I knew that sounded familiar somehow!!! Damned if I know where I must've heard it though!

memikey
10-16-2007, 02:15 PM
For anyone who missed the Colombo wannabee evening classes it may come as a shock that memikey's first name is Mike:)

My surname, e mail address and anything else of relevance which comes up have been routinely given to most people from this board who have ever communicated with me off the forum pages, which I think is a perfectly normal and reasonable way to deal with people in whom you instinctively place some confidence.

In person I would have no hesitation in identifying myself as being memikey to most AZB'ers at any pool occasion in which the opportunity arises.

I try to make anything I've ever posted, including throwaway jests, into things that I would willingly repeat in person to a room full of AZB'ers or to a particular individual to whom it may have been directed in reply form. I also try to ensure that the content of any post would normally contain enough information and substance to stand on its own merits, irrespective of what my identity might be. Mike Paige made a very good point earlier about there being occasions when it would be beneficial for the reader to know that the poster has expertise or experience in a particular field and that knowing his identity would assist in that respect. I'll cross that bridge if we ever discuss anything I know more than a gnat's piss about:p

Beyond that I see no need to make my full identity a standard part of each post and I think several others may feel the same way. However I do understand that others might wish to identify themselves in each post for a variety of valid reasons.

On the whole Danny K, I don't think it's much of an issue really but congrats for getting some of us to speak up on it:)

Cornerman
10-16-2007, 02:19 PM
Again, WHO'S WHO?



I'm just the local village idiot.

Fred

doubleteersc
10-16-2007, 02:24 PM
Im Tony. !!!

Jimmy M.
10-16-2007, 02:41 PM
While we are on the topic:

What's what?

Crap! WHAT'S WHAT?

Who's on first?

Jimmy M.
10-16-2007, 02:43 PM
Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K

Hi Danny. I've been using this very cryptic username for a while on this site. I try to keep my identity a secret but, fine, just this once, and only because we know each other, I'll reveal my true identity. I'm Jimmy Mendoza. :)

thebigdog
10-16-2007, 03:11 PM
Hi Danny, its Mike Boyce jr. Good to see you on here. I don't think I've seen you since shortly after you room opened. Sounds like your room is doing really well. Next time I come to Southern Cal. I will have to stop in and say hello.

!Smorgass Bored
10-16-2007, 03:12 PM
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JoeW
10-16-2007, 03:58 PM
1.It is a well known fact that people who are anonymous are much more likely to be brutal and cruel. KKK comes to mind among many other examples that you too can think of. I use the KKK as an example that everyone knows. If you identify yourself you feel more responsible for what you post because your name and your reputation are tied to what you write.

2.If I am talking to some fellow at a bar and he won't give his name or says, "just call me knucklehead 003." I have little to no respect for anything he might say because he is not willing to accept responsibility for what he says.

3.If I were to meet you at some event and you Id yourself as Knucklhead003 I doubt that I would believe you without better evidence. For instance I met Williebetmore and only believed that he was the real person he says he is because I happened to see his photo and corresponded with him - on the net - before I met him.

4.In general, I have little to no respect for anyone or anything they say under a pseudonym. Why is this guy hiding? Is he outrunning the law for whatever reason? If so, I don't want to know him or be seen with him.

5.Anyone who needs to hustle for a living earns my pity but not my respect.

To those who think that content is more important than source I would suggest that they do not live in the real world or are naive about how the world really works.

I think that people hide behind a pseudonym because they like the idea that they can role play and be anyone they choose to be. I guess there are places for that like a game of Dungeons and Dragons or similar places. Much of what I read on AZB I simply ignore as gamesmanship. Real discussions by real people are of interest.

I have been on the net since before there was a net (ran a bbs for cops) and have worked with well over 5,000 incarcerated felons and many more convicted felons in my career. Many of the people I have worked with would be among those who have committed the worst of crimes. Many do not like me for various reasons. Anyone who seriously wants to find you and find out about you can. It is as simple as that. The ability to trace people has been available long before the net came into existence.

Just one man's opinion and now some of you know how you are perceived by some of us.

If you think that real names do not matter review the posts by five people who use their real name versus five people who use some silly name and read for content, style, clarity, and social responsibility. The differences are glaring.

TATE
10-16-2007, 04:08 PM
I do not believe in plastering my real name all over the internet, so I go by Chris Tate.

So, if you see a guy named Chris Tate come into your room and shoots really good, well, that's me. If he is dogging and sitting in the chair a lot, well, that's not me then. That's how you can tell the real Chris Tate from the other one.

Chris (Tate)

Franky
10-16-2007, 04:14 PM
Your assumption that people acting under pseudonyms have something to hide is outdated. This is a public forum available to anyone in the world. We're not having a conversation at the local poolroom with friends.

Have you ever said when you were going on a vacation on this site? Maybe you've said, "I'm going to the DCC this year...wooooot". If so, you've exposed your home to a greater risk of burglary. Disagree if you like, but even a dumb criminal can figure this stuff out. No PhD required.

1.It is a well known fact that people who are anonymous are much more likely to be brutal and cruel. KKK comes to mind among many other examples that you too can think of. I use the KKK as an example that everyone knows. If you identify yourself you feel more responsible for what you post because your name and your reputation are tied to what you write.

2.If I am talking to some fellow at a bar and he won't give his name or says, "just call me knucklehead 003." I have little to no respect for anything he might say because he is not willing to accept responsibility for what he says.

3.If I were to meet you at some event and you Id yourself as Knucklhead003 I doubt that I would believe you without better evidence. For instance I met Williebetmore and only believed that he was the real person he says he is because I happened to see his photo and corresponded with him - on the net - before I met him.

4.In general, I have little to no respect for anyone or anything they say under a pseudonym. Why is this guy hiding? Is he outrunning the law for whatever reason? If so, I don't want to know him or be seen with him.

5.Anyone who needs to hustle for a living earns my pity but not my respect.

To those who think that content is more important than source I would suggest that they do not live in the real world or are naive about how the world really works.

I think that people hide behind a pseudonym because they like the idea that they can role play and be anyone they choose to be. I guess there are places for that like a game of Dungeons and Dragons or similar places. Much of what I read on AZB I simply ignore as gamesmanship. Real discussions by real people are of interest.

I have been on the net since before there was a net (ran a bbs for cops) and have worked with well over 5,000 incarcerated felons and many more convicted felons in my career. Many of the people I have worked with would be among those who have committed the worst of crimes. Many do not like me for various reasons. Anyone who seriously wants to find you and find out about you can. It is as simple as that. The ability to trace people has been available long before the net came into existence.

Just one man's opinion and now some of you know how you are perceived by some of us.

Roy Steffensen
10-16-2007, 04:16 PM
I'm Jay Helfert too

olauzon
10-16-2007, 04:20 PM
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dad?

it's me, seuthes I!

JoeW
10-16-2007, 04:31 PM
Franky said, "Your assumption that people acting under pseudonyms have something to hide is outdated. This is a public forum available to anyone in the world. We're not having a conversation at the local poolroom with friends.

Have you ever said when you were going on a vacation on this site? Maybe you've said, "I'm going to the DCC this year...wooooot". If so, you've exposed your home to a greater risk of burglary. Disagree if you like, but even a dumb criminal can figure this stuff out. No PhD required."

Good point about going on vacation. It is good to be careful in the real world. You should also not give your SSN to anyone and there are many other reasons to be careful. The internet is a public forum and is like a telephone book. Much about you is or can be known very easily by some people who would want to know these things.

My ideas are not outdated. The facts are as stated. Anonymous people are far too often cruel. Interestingly, the tendency occurs among "normal" people and that is probably why many fell into Hitler's trap. Under the guise of the crowd and like minded people parts of humanity did inhuman things. Stanley Milgrim's studies unequivocally demonstrated that under the right circumstance most of us would do horrible things we would never dream that we would do. Look at some of the idiotic behavior seen at public sporting events where people can hide in a crowd of like minded peers and you will see some extremely stupid behavior.

Identifying yourself and assuming responsibility for your words and actions is part of being civilized. I strongly recommend that anyone who will not identify themselves to you is someone to be discounted and avoided.

Jimk
10-16-2007, 04:39 PM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. I play pedal steel guitar and on the Steel Guitar Forum you always know who you're talking to. Even if an nickname is used the person's real name is listed under the nickname.

Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

I go to the player profile and I still don't get a name. Maybe this is an insidious problem particular to pool players? Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

In my pool room everything is above board. All players know each other, don't hustle any unsuspecting people, and (mostly) behave like gentlemen.
Rudolfo Luat came into my room 10 years ago looking for a game, and I told everyone who he was, like I do all hustlers and players, and he only said, "I understand, you're protecting your customers". He was nice about it. Unlike some players I've run into that get miffed that I "spoiled their action".

Thing is, even if he didn't understand, I would have spoiled his action. And that's one reason I don't get a lot of hustlers coming through Danny K's.

Believe me, we have some really good players who play at my place, but they don't need to hustle, and they understand it doesn't work at Danny K's.

Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K
Dan, this is a light forum with a very minimum amount of in depth discussion. Brother, me thinks thou hast stuck thy foot in the dooky!! Love, Jimmy K.

jay helfert
10-16-2007, 05:13 PM
Hi Danny. I've been using this very cryptic username for a while on this site. I try to keep my identity a secret but, fine, just this once, and only because we know each other, I'll reveal my true identity. I'm Jimmy Mendoza. :)


No you're not. You're Jay Helfert!

Jimk
10-16-2007, 06:20 PM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. I play pedal steel guitar and on the Steel Guitar Forum you always know who you're talking to. Even if an nickname is used the person's real name is listed under the nickname.

Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

I go to the player profile and I still don't get a name. Maybe this is an insidious problem particular to pool players? Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

In my pool room everything is above board. All players know each other, don't hustle any unsuspecting people, and (mostly) behave like gentlemen.
Rudolfo Luat came into my room 10 years ago looking for a game, and I told everyone who he was, like I do all hustlers and players, and he only said, "I understand, you're protecting your customers". He was nice about it. Unlike some players I've run into that get miffed that I "spoiled their action".

Thing is, even if he didn't understand, I would have spoiled his action. And that's one reason I don't get a lot of hustlers coming through Danny K's.

Believe me, we have some really good players who play at my place, but they don't need to hustle, and they understand it doesn't work at Danny K's.

Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K
I must admit, Danny K's is the best place I've played in southern California. No woofing or bs. Nice clientel. Good tables, good food.

Scott Lee
10-16-2007, 08:23 PM
it was a pretty small community back then.
lol.


Which, of course, brings up the old adage: Incest is relative! :eek: :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

ribdoner
10-16-2007, 08:49 PM
Havn't read the thread so forgive me if I'm redundant. I'm responding to the title.

"WHO's WHO" is of no consequence in the way that I interpret or respond to a post. We all put our drawers on pretty much the same way, don't we??

Dead Money
10-16-2007, 09:03 PM
I am The Philsbury Doughboy:)

8ballEinstein
10-16-2007, 11:15 PM
Identifying yourself and assuming responsibility for your words and actions is part of being civilized. I strongly recommend that anyone who will not identify themselves to you is someone to be discounted and avoided.

Wow! I think I'll just crawl in a hole and die! I didn't realize that people on here thought so much about wanting to know other posters' identity. It never really made much of a difference to me what the posters on here called themselves. I guess I'm just too tolerant.

My handle is simply the nickname that was given to me long ago. So for now, just call me 8ballEinstein.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:34 PM
Joe W. So right you are. It's a matter of being resposible for who you are and what you do. I brought the subject up because I'm accustomed to being up front with everyone I know. I have no reason to hide anything and see no reason why they would want to. I understand the thing about privacy on the web and protectiing your identity, but is that really it?

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:38 PM
Jimmy, How are things. Glad to hear from you.
I'm hesitant to ask you much for fear that I may give away something you don't want someone else to know.

I hope you're doing well.

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:39 PM
Ribdoner, I would suggest you read many of these posts. The title doesn't give it away.

Danny

DeadPoked
10-16-2007, 11:41 PM
One of the main reasons that people use pseudonyms is because that is the standard practice for internet message boards. I don't really care if anyone on here know my name or not, but when I signed up on this message board, way back in the day, it didn't cross my mind to use my real name. I just thought of some goofy name and chose it.

I wouldn't mind using my real name now, but it's too late. I'm already known by DeadPoked instead of Roy Payton. I'm not known in the pool community. I am still capable of sneaking up on many people and going broke.

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:47 PM
Mike B. Great to hear from you. I was speaking with some players from the Hesperia area and we talked about your pool room opening in the late 80s and me selling you cues and all. Your folks still live outside Reno? Can't remember the name of that city. Hope to see you when your down this way. Make sure you let me know when you're coming down.
Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-16-2007, 11:56 PM
Sundown. I'm currently buying Richard out. Glad You're trying retail. If you ever have any questions give me a call. I became burnt out in retailing pool tables, but I still could probably help with some advice, if you need it.
Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 12:00 AM
JimK, Yeah I stepped in a pile of dog poop, but sometimes these things can come to some good. Why not go out on a limb now and then?
By the way, I won another hundred in the ring game at Danny K's today, playing rotation continuous, of course. Had a run of 22.

Danny

Jimmy M.
10-17-2007, 12:16 AM
Jimmy, How are things. Glad to hear from you.
I'm hesitant to ask you much for fear that I may give away something you don't want someone else to know.

I hope you're doing well.

Danny

I'm not sure what you might be talking about but, if it's that rash, it's call cleared up now! :eek:

catscradle
10-17-2007, 05:07 AM
Yes, that would be Steve.
Danny
... and his pool game is a totally different animal than mine. lol.

catscradle
10-17-2007, 05:16 AM
That's ok Steve, at least I know who I'm speaking with.
Danny
I'm not sure you do, lol. There seems to be Steve Ellis (me) and a Steve L. (Beetle) and I think your original post was addressed to me because of the resemblance betwee Ellis & Lillis. Then Beetle saw the second post and thought it was addressed to him and responded.
So you see knowing real names only breeds confusion, especially when they are as common as "Steve". It is a curse, one soccer team I played on had 4 or 5 Steve's on the field at once, talk about confusion. Ha-ha.
At any rate, rest assured that though I once played in a tournament at your room, you never played me. At 61 I'm still waiting to hit my stride, when I hit my stride, then I'll play you. lol.

shortman
10-17-2007, 05:22 AM
I B. W.


cheers--------------BW

catscradle
10-17-2007, 05:39 AM
1.It is a well known fact that people who are anonymous are much more likely to be brutal and cruel. KKK comes to mind among many other examples that you too can think of. I use the KKK as an example that everyone knows. If you identify yourself you feel more responsible for what you post because your name and your reputation are tied to what you write.

2.If I am talking to some fellow at a bar and he won't give his name or says, "just call me knucklehead 003." I have little to no respect for anything he might say because he is not willing to accept responsibility for what he says.

3.If I were to meet you at some event and you Id yourself as Knucklhead003 I doubt that I would believe you without better evidence. For instance I met Williebetmore and only believed that he was the real person he says he is because I happened to see his photo and corresponded with him - on the net - before I met him.

4.In general, I have little to no respect for anyone or anything they say under a pseudonym. Why is this guy hiding? Is he outrunning the law for whatever reason? If so, I don't want to know him or be seen with him.

5.Anyone who needs to hustle for a living earns my pity but not my respect.

To those who think that content is more important than source I would suggest that they do not live in the real world or are naive about how the world really works.

I think that people hide behind a pseudonym because they like the idea that they can role play and be anyone they choose to be. I guess there are places for that like a game of Dungeons and Dragons or similar places. Much of what I read on AZB I simply ignore as gamesmanship. Real discussions by real people are of interest.

I have been on the net since before there was a net (ran a bbs for cops) and have worked with well over 5,000 incarcerated felons and many more convicted felons in my career. Many of the people I have worked with would be among those who have committed the worst of crimes. Many do not like me for various reasons. Anyone who seriously wants to find you and find out about you can. It is as simple as that. The ability to trace people has been available long before the net came into existence.

Just one man's opinion and now some of you know how you are perceived by some of us.

If you think that real names do not matter review the posts by five people who use their real name versus five people who use some silly name and read for content, style, clarity, and social responsibility. The differences are glaring.

Though Joe, when all is said and done, most people using a nom-de-plume are not hiding behind it, they just like it. I consider mine a way of shouting out my fondness for Kurt Vonnegut's writing. I never attack anybody and have no reason to hide, but it just isn't important that anybody know i'm Steve Ellis. The rare people I have had little tiffs with know who I am, so big deal.
I do think the content is more important than who is saying it. With rare exceptions on this board of genuine experts, the name just is of no importance. For instance, I'm nobody in the pool world, maybe even nobody in the world; but I still might have a nugget to drop here now and again, my name will have no bearing at all on the value, or lack thereof, of that nugget. Whereas, if Scott Lee or Bob Jewett has something to say their name lends a certain amount of credibility to what they say and it might be important that it is known.
Some people just like more privacy than you or I, in real life and online, I for one don't think any the less of their opinions or them for it.
JMHO.

catscradle
10-17-2007, 05:40 AM
Which, of course, brings up the old adage: Incest is relative! :eek: :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Hearing the melodious sound of dueling banjos.

catscradle
10-17-2007, 05:42 AM
... this is a light forum with a very minimum amount of in depth discussion...

And that is a pretty damn good summation of ALL internet forums. They're a diversion with not very much bearing on real life.

tigerallenyim
10-17-2007, 06:27 AM
Again, WHO'S WHO?

Not really, it's not a pool thing, it's some things:
1. It's a forum thing.... goto any of the most popular forums on the net, and most will operate this way. No one should really need to use their first name, last name and what have you.
2. Using real names is not practical in the program world. How many Alan Hopkins are there? A bunch. Sure, i know that u want 2 say that when a person registers, they should output their real name in the posts.... again the string occurs again, it can go on and on.
3. Administrators do have the option do make it happen, but why do that? See next.
4. (Kinda an addition to answer 2) Using real names can also have it's negative impact on multiple accounts. Moreover, if someone were to 'hijack' the name itself, one can make bad reps for a real person.

My 2 cents

!Smorgass Bored
10-17-2007, 06:35 AM
I don't use my real name because I'm hiding from someone....
Doug
( more than ONE )



* And I wear a tinfoil hat..... dammit !



Edited to add: tinfoil 'lined' :)






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9ballrun
10-17-2007, 06:38 AM
Danny,
I dont use my name on here because I am very knowledgeable on a computer. All I really would need is a full name and location to find out way to much. That is not what I do I have just done it on myself to see whats out there. Most people would be surprised at what is called public info, and how easy it is to get. I looked up my best freind a few years ago and actully got a map to his house from a state web site. That being said I do sign my name to people that I talk to in pm's, and have done business with some on here and they know who I am, but as far as just putting it out there, not me. Sorry.

steveinflorida
10-17-2007, 06:41 AM
Will the real Jay Helfert please stand up.

beetle
10-17-2007, 06:53 AM
Good answer,
signed, Steve #14.

Though Joe, when all is said and done, most people using a nom-de-plume are not hiding behind it, they just like it. I consider mine a way of shouting out my fondness for Kurt Vonnegut's writing. I never attack anybody and have no reason to hide, but it just isn't important that anybody know i'm Steve Ellis. The rare people I have had little tiffs with know who I am, so big deal.
I do think the content is more important than who is saying it. With rare exceptions on this board of genuine experts, the name just is of no importance. For instance, I'm nobody in the pool world, maybe even nobody in the world; but I still might have a nugget to drop here now and again, my name will have no bearing at all on the value, or lack thereof, of that nugget. Whereas, if Scott Lee or Bob Jewett has something to say their name lends a certain amount of credibility to what they say and it might be important that it is known.
Some people just like more privacy than you or I, in real life and online, I for one don't think any the less of their opinions or them for it.
JMHO.

JimS
10-17-2007, 07:09 AM
I started out not giving my name because I was afraid to but I've provided a profile such that anybody could find out that my name is Jim Sward.

I know that there people that participate in this forum that have a pretty high profile and would be hounded if the general public knew who they were. So, there are valid reasons, other than paranoia, to remain anonymous.

I figure that if I get to know somebody pretty well through their posts and want to hook up with them I can pm and ask who they are. I've done that a few times to guys that are geographically close and have made some friends.

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 07:10 AM
Steve, looking forward to the day you hit your stride. You know where I am.
Kurt Vonnegut is one of a thousand great authors. Who else do you read?
Danny

lfigueroa
10-17-2007, 07:32 AM
1.It is a well known fact that people who are anonymous are much more likely to be brutal and cruel. KKK comes to mind among many other examples that you too can think of. I use the KKK as an example that everyone knows. If you identify yourself you feel more responsible for what you post because your name and your reputation are tied to what you write.

2.If I am talking to some fellow at a bar and he won't give his name or says, "just call me knucklehead 003." I have little to no respect for anything he might say because he is not willing to accept responsibility for what he says.

3.If I were to meet you at some event and you Id yourself as Knucklhead003 I doubt that I would believe you without better evidence. For instance I met Williebetmore and only believed that he was the real person he says he is because I happened to see his photo and corresponded with him - on the net - before I met him.

4.In general, I have little to no respect for anyone or anything they say under a pseudonym. Why is this guy hiding? Is he outrunning the law for whatever reason? If so, I don't want to know him or be seen with him.

5.Anyone who needs to hustle for a living earns my pity but not my respect.

To those who think that content is more important than source I would suggest that they do not live in the real world or are naive about how the world really works.

I think that people hide behind a pseudonym because they like the idea that they can role play and be anyone they choose to be. I guess there are places for that like a game of Dungeons and Dragons or similar places. Much of what I read on AZB I simply ignore as gamesmanship. Real discussions by real people are of interest.

I have been on the net since before there was a net (ran a bbs for cops) and have worked with well over 5,000 incarcerated felons and many more convicted felons in my career. Many of the people I have worked with would be among those who have committed the worst of crimes. Many do not like me for various reasons. Anyone who seriously wants to find you and find out about you can. It is as simple as that. The ability to trace people has been available long before the net came into existence.

Just one man's opinion and now some of you know how you are perceived by some of us.

If you think that real names do not matter review the posts by five people who use their real name versus five people who use some silly name and read for content, style, clarity, and social responsibility. The differences are glaring.


I agree with all this, but the fact is that screen names are a part of Internet reality. The thing is, that while I would prefer to be dealing with the type of person who is willing to stand by what they post, under their real name, the constructed names, selected avatars, and all the crap people choose to put at the end of their posts are pretty revealing anyway, perhaps more so than a name.

People are choosing how they want to portray themselves and how they think they will be perceived by the rest of the community. All those little adornments (and their posts) tell you a lot. So when you see the odd name, or the stupid, occasionally tasteless avatar or animation, you can pretty much figure out what you need to know about a forum member.

Lou Figueroa

!Smorgass Bored
10-17-2007, 07:34 AM
People are choosing how they want to portray themselves and how they think they will be perceived by the rest of the community. All those little adornments (and their posts) tell you a lot. So when you see the odd name, or the stupid, occasionally tasteless avatar or animation, you can pretty much figure out what you need to know about a forum member.

Lou Figueroa


Grrrrrrr.....








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no-sho
10-17-2007, 07:35 AM
My name is also Steve.
Danny, I rememmber you from the Big John days. one eye dave and window washer craig. Been living in Europe for 17 years now. I've even played ina few of your handicap tourny's that Wayne was running. The last time was probably close to ten years ago. I used to come and visit my friend Surfer Mark that played in your ph everyday,died around ten years ago. I was there this last April for a day, saw Vince and Wayne and had to run. You recomemded a book to me about the Romans which I read. GAIUS Marius(sp)::::::
Take care and the next time I fly over the big pond I will drop in!!!

no-sho = who has no problem with incognito...

catscradle
10-17-2007, 07:45 AM
Steve, looking forward to the day you hit your stride. You know where I am.
Kurt Vonnegut is one of a thousand great authors. Who else do you read?
Danny
Danny,
It is more like who I don't read. I read a lot, a whole lot. I like Sci-fi, Jerry Pournelle & Larry Nevin come to mind, historical novels a lot(especially civil war, "The Black Flower" was absolutely great), classics now and again (Doestoevsky, spelling?), mysteries now and again. Mostly I like to read things that are pure escapism or will hopefully give me insight into my fellow man, the way they've thought over the ages. That's why I like history, after all, despite all the gadgets we have today, we're still wired the same way medieval man was.

I don't really think too much about who the authors are, except now and again when somebody like Vonnegut who thinks in the same bizarre way I sometimes do comes along.

More than you wanted to know, right?

If I ever am to play you it might be before I hit "my stride", I'm getting kind of long in the tooth waiting for that stride. I will try to look you up if I ever get out west again, you sound like a nice guy.
Steve.

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 08:05 AM
Steve, Pleasure to hear from you. Yeah I remember those days, One Eyed
Dave was quite a player when he was on. Big Johns burned to the ground (you probably heard) with Steve Ayotte sleeping upstairs. Everyone wondered about arson, but nothing ever proven.
I really enjoyed practicing there on those Anniversary tables. My tables are somewhat modeled after them.
You know, if I knew your last name maybe I could put a face with whom I'm speaking.
I play a ring game now of rotation continuous, a game I created, with Ramin (Vince) and Tom Pelan, who is another very good player. Ramin's game has gone sky high probably since you've seen him.
Wayne is still running tournaments (13 years now).
Yeah, that series of books, based on Rome before and during the Julius Caesar days were great reads. There are seven in the series.
Stop in next time your this side of the pond!

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 08:09 AM
Steve, Catscradle, looking forward.
Danny

emccune
10-17-2007, 08:26 AM
Anonymous contributors, like people willing to flip the bird to someone driving by at 60 mph, are the biggest impediment to this board improving, imo.


I agree with you, Mike. There is something about being right out there with your real name that forces you to very carefully consider every word you utter in public. It cuts down on the bullshit in other words....unless your name happens to be Fast Larry of course.

Ed

1stLady
10-17-2007, 08:30 AM
I like the anonymity; this way I can say whatever I want, and the only information anyone has to trace it back to me is my first and last name, general location, date of birth, and occupation. Anyone who needs my SSN, credit card #, and mother's maiden name, send me a PM.



Andrew.... lol... don't know... but this morning... this was REALLY funny! :D

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 08:32 AM
Ed, I suppose it's a matter of whether or not you want to belong to a forum where you don't really know whom your speaking with, because obviously, this will not change here. I'm willing to put up with it myself, even though I would prefer to know the person.

Danny

emccune
10-17-2007, 08:52 AM
Ed, I suppose it's a matter of whether or not you want to belong to a forum where you don't really know whom your speaking with, because obviously, this will not change here. I'm willing to put up with it myself, even though I would prefer to know the person.

Danny

Well I don't post much here and don't consider myself a regular. I'm still a die hard...gasp...RSBer and I know everyone (all five of us and the 2 monkeys) over there by name. (almost). Heck, with Fast Larry seemingly gone and Debra on vacation it's slowly becoming a decent place to post again. (I hesitate to even mention his name as it'll jinx things and he'll be back.)

If you like volume, though, and variety, nothing beats AZ. Something for everyone here. I prefer real names but, in truth, that has little bearing on whether or not I post here.

Ed

Andrew Manning
10-17-2007, 09:00 AM
If you're serious...
Several of my direct ancestors are on that document too. Probably several of yours too, if you have one you have serveral, it was a pretty small community back then.
Of course, that doesn't get me much. lol.

William Bradford, author of said document (and mayor of the colony), is my great-great-great...grandfather. His granddaughter married a Manning from whom I'm directly descended by Father-son line. My wife about died laughing when she found out my ancestry is about as blue as American blood gets, because she was already quite familiar and enamored with my family's current status of comfortable but unassuming middle-class lifestyle, ethnically and racially diverse marriages, great appreciation for drinking large quantities of bourbon out of plastic cups while playing spades and pool, and hearty disdain for yachts, luxury SUVs, BMWs, golf, Phil Collins, non-coach air travel, and khakis.

-Andrew

ShootingArts
10-17-2007, 09:16 AM
Ed, I suppose it's a matter of whether or not you want to belong to a forum where you don't really know whom your speaking with, because obviously, this will not change here. I'm willing to put up with it myself, even though I would prefer to know the person.

Danny


Danny,

7781 members on this forum, worldwide. How many would you know if they gave their full name and location? You learn their background and experience from their posts and that is tied to whatever handle they use be it their full name or a totally BS handle. I have wondered at the silly handles that some super knowledgeable people use but maybe it is just a tweak of the nose at people who feel the way you do.

You have given your name and your occupation. I still know far more about you from the handful of posts you have made than from your profile or your own website. I would know just as much from your posts if you had used the handle Dandy Dan the Diaper Man. Well actually I would know a little more if you had used Dandy Dan the Diaper Man . . . .

Hu

MikeM
10-17-2007, 09:23 AM
..is JohnD.

Have a nice day.

Mike...er...uh... I mean John

HollyWood
10-17-2007, 09:48 AM
The Family name I was refering to is Capt. Thomas Rogers and his son Joesph who did in fact live with the bradfords as Thomas died the first yr. Leaving his wife and daughter in leidon. Joesph stayed with the bradford family. Thomas sold barbara straight for 300 guilders to but passage on the speedwell. which was to be a cod fishing vessel,which leaked women and children were not taken then and the remaining all went on the mayflower. The leideners and the adventurers signed the compact at sea. 3,000 miles from home. America that first evening they enjoyed the the pleasures of a sweet fire made from sweet smelling cedar. something was missing there were no people to be found

catscradle
10-17-2007, 10:34 AM
Well I don't post much here and don't consider myself a regular. I'm still a die hard...gasp...RSBer and I know everyone (all five of us and the 2 monkeys) over there by name. (almost). Heck, with Fast Larry seemingly gone and Debra on vacation it's slowly becoming a decent place to post again. (I hesitate to even mention his name as it'll jinx things and he'll be back.)

If you like volume, though, and variety, nothing beats AZ. Something for everyone here. I prefer real names but, in truth, that has little bearing on whether or not I post here.

Ed

Long live RSB, I've been lurking and occasionally posting there again, but I can 't use a newsreader in work so I have to go through a web application. Not the same experience.

mikepage
10-17-2007, 10:57 AM
What would be the reasonable arguments for these people not to remain anonymous?


Anonymity seems like a funny default to have to argue against, but I'll try.



For people like myself, who aren't regulars in the pool industry/community, there really aren't any added advantages. Just risks.


First, other than perhaps Fast Larry who got bopped in the nose, I've never heard of anybody having any reason to regret posting under their own names on these forums. I've met in person perhaps two hundred people who post here or on RSB. Unless there's something very unusual about you, there's really nothing that exciting about the fact that this pool comment was made by an actual person with an actual address. If all you want to do is find a name and an associated address, pick up a phone book. There are gazillions of them. If you're hiding from someone or something, that's different. So I think the "risk" you speak of is exaggerated.

As to what do you benefit? Well that's kind of subjective. Maybe it doesn't matter at all to you. But I find it kind of refreshing and even honorable that I stand behind what I say, that I'm accountable for what I've said in the past, that I say what I mean and mean what I say, that you know who you're talking to.

I would feel a little cheap being anonymous. It just smells a little too much to me like "Bill," who stops at the happy-ending massage parlor on his way home from work, or "Mary," who calls her insurance company anonymously to find out how not to word her description of her complaints to jeopardize coverage.


BTW, I was kidding with my previous post. My first name is Joe. Why exactly would anyone want/need my last name?

I know your name is Joe, which brings up another point. I know your name is Joe because you once corrected me when I called you Jim. Apparently all I internalized when I read your initials was the guy who uses three initials that starts with j. You're jsp. There's another poster , jal, whose name is Jim. When I called you Jim, it was because I confused you with jal. So for a long time all your opinions and views I interpreted in the context of someone who had posted all of jal's stuff. It painted an incorrect picture of you.

Finally, you asked what benefit is it to you to stand behind your words. That's a fine thing to ask, but it's not the only thing to ask. Another important question in what benefit is it to the group? We're not just here to take; we're here to give and take. This is a valuable forum precisely because of the ethic of giving that so many here have.

I recognize that when somebody posts over and over again with the same name, even a goofy made-up name, that eventually the person develops a personality and a history. I agree it really doesn't matter at this point when interaction with, for instance Smorgassbored, what his real name is.

But here are two things to consider.

(1) When new people come, they are much less likely to use their real name if they see other people are not using a name. Even though some of those other people might be fine upstanding contributors, the new people don't know that. Many of the new people feel free to do drive-by shootings, to create new rabble rouser identities, and so forth. I think they would be less likely to do this if there didn't seem like a culture of anonymity ion the first place.

(2) A poster will develop into a respected voice faster if he has a name/identity that are easy to remember.

Joe Smith, a room owner from New England,

John Jones, a first-year league player from Omaha,

Bill Olson, an older fella who used to travel around and play during the 1970s

Even if IRACKEMDUDE points out some some relevant information at some time, it's really hard to remember it or to put the words in any kind of context.

Finally, fake names are something people use all the time in chat rooms. Those are really more about socializing with people with like interests. It really doesn't matter what the content is, so long as people are having fun at the moment. This place, on the other hand, is a searchable, archived on-topic discussion. Sure it's social too, but the content matters here. I think people hiding behind fake names encourages the chat-room mentality of new posters who don't know any better.

HouseMan
10-17-2007, 11:12 AM
Anonymity seems like a funny default to have to argue against, but I'll try.
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here's where we differ - I couldn't care less what your name is...Makes no difference to me. If it bugged me and I had to find out someone's real name who posts on the internet I'd go see a doctor or something.

emccune
10-17-2007, 11:23 AM
Long live RSB, I've been lurking and occasionally posting there again, but I can 't use a newsreader in work so I have to go through a web application. Not the same experience.

Yup, I've seen you there, Steve. A couple of others have dared to return as well, but we're all tiptoeing around. He-who-shall-not-be named has taken vacations before so it's too early to get too excited. Hopeful though.

Ed

PS. Have you tried Recgroups? It has filters and is what I use when all else fails.

frankncali
10-17-2007, 11:26 AM
DannyK
As you could probably tell my name is Frank. You and I warmed up for a Swanny Event a couple years ago. Real name is Frank Howe but most everyone here in SoCal calls me Alabama or Bama. I got nothing to hide and really Im too big to do much hiding.
Enjoy playing pool alot and probably should be coming down to play at your place more than I do. I am down that way alot.
Now I mostly bang balls at Stix in Rancho.
Next time I'm in your place I will stop and say hello.

I have met a few RSB guys and AZ guys and its been fun everytime. Theres alot of us on here from SoCal. We should have a meet and greet at your place one day.

BTW-- what days do you guys have tournaments?

frank

cigardave
10-17-2007, 11:30 AM
Hi - My name is Dave... I ride Harleys... and I smoke cigars. :p

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 12:02 PM
Mike, You make a lot of sense. We are dealing with researchable, specific information more than just chatting, and I agree if more people placed their full names out there new members would as well. I did only because I have nothing to hide and on the Steel Guitar Forum, which I also belong to everyone knows who everyone else is. Believe me, on the Steel Guitar Forum, which hosts more members than this forum, all members can trust each other. No need to be incognito.
I also agree it's easy to crack a silly (but often times demeaning)
joke and then not have to take credit for doing it. Kind of like throwing a spitball in class and then turning away so the person can't see who did it.

Just my 2 cents.

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 12:04 PM
Frank, Yes I remember practicing with you at Hollywood Billiards. Upstairs, right?
Please go to my website at www.dannyks.com and find out all tournament info. I think you'll enjoy it here.

Danny

catscradle
10-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Yup, I've seen you there, Steve. A couple of others have dared to return as well, but we're all tiptoeing around. He-who-shall-not-be named has taken vacations before so it's too early to get too excited. Hopeful though.

Ed

PS. Have you tried Recgroups? It has filters and is what I use when all else fails.

Yes, that is the web app I was referring to. It is okay, but I prefer a news reader.

uwate
10-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Welcome to the board Danny. I was in LA in August and missed going to your place. It was Hard Times or your place and it came up tails on the flip. I hear good things about your place, next time I come to LA I will have to stop by.

I understand why people prefer anonymity on message boards, identity theft is just one concern of many that are valid reasons to be anonymous. That said, when things turn nasty and the woofing gets hot and heavy, I also believe that if people had to sign their name to what they write, this board would have alot less inflammatory postings. I for one am sick of keyboard warriors who are emboldened by anonymity and would never say what they say here to the same person in real life.

David Uwate
Miami, Florida

JoeW
10-17-2007, 12:26 PM
I think that it comes down to the idea that indeed its true, I (JoeW) do not care what your name is. You should care that you are known and respected for who you are. If you take the time to post and share your thoughts with others then you should be willing to stand behind your words, with your integrity and self responsibility.

I learned to respect people over time and by their behavior and their actions. If you begin with your face behind a mask you place your self in a bad light to begin with. In addition, you temp yourself to make sniper attacks because no one knows who you are. This diminishes you in your own eyes.

People say it is the way of the internet. I am not a crusader but I have never believed in following the crowd simply to follow the crowd. At times the crowd's way is acceptable and at other times it causes harm. In every case the individual is responsible for the behavior he or she engages in regardless of what the crowd does. We all learned that in WWII and it is a very serious message.

Do you think that you should teach your children to remain anonymous in their interactions with others? Is this the way to live a "good" life?

Some would say the Internet is but leisure activity and that it doesn't really matter. By that reasoning, then playing pool doesn't matter either. And why would anyone engage in some thing that does not matter with reasonably serious thoughts that might lead to a better approach to playing pool?

Contradictions abound and it comes down to the dangerous pastime of wearing the coat of anonymity that allows one to say and be anyone. I may have to accept what others do but I do not have to agree with it - and neither do you. I think this is an important topic that needs to be discussed because of the way it affects the internet, which is a part of life in the modern world and because it is important to how we wisely raise our children.

So how do we teach our children to be proud of who they are and to remain safe in a dangerous world? A difficult questions and one that bears more thought than simply doing what everyone else does.

Before anyone takes offense, my comments are truly not about any one post or poster but are simply some thoughts on the matter.

catscradle
10-17-2007, 12:52 PM
I think that it comes down to the idea that indeed its true, I (JoeW) do not care what your name is. You should care that you are known and respected for who you are. If you take the time to post and share your thoughts with others then you should be willing to stand behind your words, with your integrity and self responsibility.
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Joe,
The way I see it, a name is just a hook to associate a concept with, in this case the concept is a person. Whether somebody uses 9ballmaven or John Q. Public III on here means nothing. If you meet somebody at a get together, they'll associate you with the name and the "handle", it isn't being anonymous. There is noting special about a formal name, it says nothing about who a person is or what he thinks. For instance, I happen to know Smorg's real name ("Spartacus" :D ), but he is more Smorg than his real name to me and there is a certain series of typical behaviours, his persona if you will, that I associate with him no matter what name he uses. The name is completely, absolutely irrelevant. If I ever actually meet him in the flesh then his real name will be relevent, but the persona will still be more important.
Sincerely,
Steven Clark Ellis - begat of Wally - begat of Nathaniel - begat of ... and the beat goes on.

jsp
10-17-2007, 01:12 PM
As to what do you benefit? Well that's kind of subjective. Maybe it doesn't matter at all to you. But I find it kind of refreshing and even honorable that I stand behind what I say, that I'm accountable for what I've said in the past, that I say what I mean and mean what I say, that you know who you're talking to.
This is where we disagree. It wouldn't feel any more "refreshing" or "honorable" if I included my last name on my posts. Even if it does make me feel a bit better, would that added satisfaction outweigh the increased likelihood of the invasion of my privacy? Not for me. I have a wife, a kid, and another on the way. Their privacy and protection mean infinitely more to me than any satisfaction I could ever have on any internet forum.

I know your name is Joe, which brings up another point. I know your name is Joe because you once corrected me when I called you Jim. Apparently all I internalized when I read your initials was the guy who uses three initials that starts with j. You're jsp. There's another poster , jal, whose name is Jim. When I called you Jim, it was because I confused you with jal. So for a long time all your opinions and views I interpreted in the context of someone who had posted all of jal's stuff. It painted an incorrect picture of you.
It's no insult to me that you mistook me for someone as smart as Jal. Though, maybe Jal might take offense to that. ;)

BTW, do I question the intelligence of Jal's technical posts any more so because he hasn't revealed his last name? Nope.

...(2) A poster will develop into a respected voice faster if he has a name/identity that are easy to remember.
No...at least not to me.

I remember when I first started posting on this forum over two years ago, the one poster that stood out from the rest was sjm, arguably the most repected poster on this forum, and also a poster who prefers to remain anonymous. I took what sjm posted at face value, and didn't regard his posts any more or any less because of his lack of identity. It's only recently that I finally came across sjm's real name...but it really didn't matter. He is still sjm to me, the most respected forum member.

But yes, I do agree to an extent that revealing more about yourself will give some sense of reality to your posts. Though, that doesn't mean you need to provide your last name. Your first name, location, and age are more than sufficient information needed to give fellow posters a certain sense of the type of person you are. If you want, you can even include your occupation in your profile. Any of those four bits of information would be much more valuable to me as forum member than your last name.

Even more valuable would be a picture of yourself, if you want to go to that extent. I thought the "Faces for the names" thread that Mr. Wilson started was an excellent idea. Of course, no one should be forced to provide a picture, but to me it's still more valuable than a last name. BTW, if you haven't seen it, I have posted a picture of myself in that thread a long time ago...if you want to take the time to look for it (I don't).

To me, you're mikepage. You could have posted as mikep or mp...it wouldn't have mattered to me. BTW, how do I know Mike Page is your real name anyway? A name is just a name. From your posts, and your posts alone, I already have a pretty good understanding of the type of person you are, and it's not pretty. (Just kidding :D )

jsp <~~ Joe, 28, Raleigh-area, analog IC designer, father of two, D+ player (fastly approaching C- status)

9 on the snap
10-17-2007, 01:27 PM
It takes me until wenesday to remember my name.

My name is Joe and I am a poolaholic

ShootingArts
10-17-2007, 03:00 PM
Joe is your last name really W? Most people have a little more. I would make a small bet that there are more Joe W's in your town than there are Hu's in mine. Wanna bet?

Hu


I think that it comes down to the idea that indeed its true, I (JoeW) do not care what your name is. You should care that you are known and respected for who you are. If you take the time to post and share your thoughts with others then you should be willing to stand behind your words, with your integrity and self responsibility.

I learned to respect people over time and by their behavior and their actions. If you begin with your face behind a mask you place your self in a bad light to begin with. In addition, you temp yourself to make sniper attacks because no one knows who you are. This diminishes you in your own eyes.

People say it is the way of the internet. I am not a crusader but I have never believed in following the crowd simply to follow the crowd. At times the crowd's way is acceptable and at other times it causes harm. In every case the individual is responsible for the behavior he or she engages in regardless of what the crowd does. We all learned that in WWII and it is a very serious message.

Do you think that you should teach your children to remain anonymous in their interactions with others? Is this the way to live a "good" life?

Some would say the Internet is but leisure activity and that it doesn't really matter. By that reasoning, then playing pool doesn't matter either. And why would anyone engage in some thing that does not matter with reasonably serious thoughts that might lead to a better approach to playing pool?

Contradictions abound and it comes down to the dangerous pastime of wearing the coat of anonymity that allows one to say and be anyone. I may have to accept what others do but I do not have to agree with it - and neither do you. I think this is an important topic that needs to be discussed because of the way it affects the internet, which is a part of life in the modern world and because it is important to how we wisely raise our children.

So how do we teach our children to be proud of who they are and to remain safe in a dangerous world? A difficult questions and one that bears more thought than simply doing what everyone else does.

Before anyone takes offense, my comments are truly not about any one post or poster but are simply some thoughts on the matter.

frankncali
10-17-2007, 03:10 PM
Frank, Yes I remember practicing with you at Hollywood Billiards. Upstairs, right?
Please go to my website at www.dannyks.com and find out all tournament info. I think you'll enjoy it here.

Danny


Danny
That was me.

As for your place I like it. As a guy that wants to oneday open a place I have taken quite a few ideas from rooms, bars and taverns around the country. Yours is no different. Many good features.
I will come to one of the tournaments soon. I have been playing a little straight pool lately and raised my high run to 58. Still a long way to go though. I only get to play a few racks usually warming up or practicing.
Not many people play it anymore.
Frank

Jigger
10-17-2007, 03:19 PM
I am Tuco.

"Wanted in fourteen counties of this State, the condemned is found guilty of murder, armed robbery of citizens, state banks, and post offices; the theft of sacred objects, arson in a state prison, perjury, bigamy, deserting his wife and children, inciting prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, receiving stolen goods, selling stolen goods, passing counterfeit money, and contrary to the laws of this State the condemned is guilty of using marked cards and loaded dice..."

sincerely,
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0002057/

LOL Tuco, you sound like a fun guy to hang with! Let's go bird huntin sometime.


Myself, I'm just a government bureaucrat from Montana named Richard. My friends call me Dick.

Sincerely,
Dick Cheney :p

52129

mikepage
10-17-2007, 03:23 PM
[...] I have a wife, a kid, and another on the way.

That's good. When the first wife gets tired of playing with the kid, the other one can take over.


Their privacy and protection mean infinitely more to me than any satisfaction I could ever have on any internet forum.


I guess I 'll let you slide on these priorities. I don't quite understand though the connection between people knowing you talk about pool and the safety of your family

BTW, do I question the intelligence of Jal's technical posts any more so because he hasn't revealed his last name? Nope.


Nor do I.

I remember when I first started posting on this forum over two years ago, the one poster that stood out from the rest was sjm, arguably the most repected poster on this forum, and also a poster who prefers to remain anonymous. I took what sjm posted at face value, and didn't regard his posts any more or any less because of his lack of identity. It's only recently that I finally came across sjm's real name...but it really didn't matter. He is still sjm to me, the most respected forum member.

An excellent choice, imo.
[...]

To me, you're mikepage. You could have posted as mikep or mp...it wouldn't have mattered to me. BTW, how do I know Mike Page is your real name anyway? A name is just a name. From your posts, and your posts alone, I already have a pretty good understanding of the type of person you are, and it's not pretty. (Just kidding :D )


Wow! And that's without the picture!


jsp <~~ Joe, 28, Raleigh-area, analog IC designer, father of two, D+ player (fastly approaching C- status)

Joe, I agree with most everything you say here with the exception of the degree of risk associated with people knowing you talk about pool

thebigdog
10-17-2007, 03:36 PM
Mike B. Great to hear from you. I was speaking with some players from the Hesperia area and we talked about your pool room opening in the late 80s and me selling you cues and all. Your folks still live outside Reno? Can't remember the name of that city. Hope to see you when your down this way. Make sure you let me know when you're coming down.
Danny
My dad is up in the Seattle area now, he's the commisoner of gaming for the Muckleshoot Tribe. He's not playing pool these days, but he started running marathons again.

Franky
10-17-2007, 03:46 PM
Here's dialog from a potential bird hunting incident between Tuco and Dick Cheney:

Tuco: I'm very happy you are working with me! And we're together again.
[pause]
Tuco: I get dressed, I kill him and be right back.
Dick Cheney: Listen, I forgot to mention... He's not alone. There's five of 'em.
Tuco: Five?
Dick Cheney: Yeah, five of 'em.
Tuco: So, that's why you came to Tuco.
[pause]
Tuco: It doesn't matter, I'll kill them all.

Then as Tuco walks forward to kill the 5 birds, Dick blasts Tuco in the ass with buckshot because he's blind and confused. Tuco would then instantly kill Dick simply on instinct.

I'm not sure this is the kind of trip you'd enjoy.

Jimk
10-17-2007, 05:40 PM
Mike, You make a lot of sense. We are dealing with researchable, specific information more than just chatting, and I agree if more people placed their full names out there new members would as well. I did only because I have nothing to hide and on the Steel Guitar Forum, which I also belong to everyone knows who everyone else is. Believe me, on the Steel Guitar Forum, which hosts more members than this forum, all members can trust each other. No need to be incognito.
I also agree it's easy to crack a silly (but often times demeaning)
joke and then not have to take credit for doing it. Kind of like throwing a spitball in class and then turning away so the person can't see who did it.

Just my 2 cents.

Danny
Danny, I think you are reading more into this than there really is. Most of the people who post here use a different name because that's the way this site is. Read some of the posts and you will see that for the most part it's just regular guys and regular b.s.

Jude Rosenstock
10-17-2007, 05:51 PM
It's more than a very small fraction. But I'll admit it's small. On the other hand, that small fraction, including the likes of --Bob Jewett, Jay Helfert, Jude Rosenstock, Patrick Johnson, Linda Carter, Joey Aguzin, Eydie Romano, David Sapolis, Scott Fraser, John Barton, Craig Riley, Andrew Manning, Colin Colenso, John Schmidt, Steve Lipsky, Scott Lee, Randy G. , Joe Tucker, Jack Madden, Billy Incardone, Mike Webb, Murray Tucker, Wei, Eric Yow, Alex Kanapilly, amongst many others, is responsible for a WAY disproportionate share of the quality content here.


Wow, thank you sir. Personally, I think the board would be a much better place if everyone used their real names but I can also understand why some choose to be anonymous. It has crossed my mind from time to time.

8ballEinstein
10-17-2007, 06:11 PM
I don't know guys, I may not ever understand the need to have a poster be identified by their real name. Yes, there are a few goofballs that come on here who rile us up because they have that cloak of anonymity and we have to weed them outta here. Still, the majority of us are enthusiasts who enjoy talking about pool.

When I began playing pool, nearly everyone had a nickname. Once you broke into the "B" level, your peers started thinking of a "road" name for you. Did you to use it to hide behind something? Were you trying to avoid accepting responsibility for your actions? Was there some other devious things you had in mind? I seriously doubt it.

When I go into a pool room and play someone, I don't care if they wanna be called Stinky or Bozo or Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. I'm just there to play pool. Your name or handle is just something I can identify you with. This is the same way I feel about the names used on this forum. Tell me what you want to be called and I will respect that.

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 07:03 PM
Mike, Glad your dad is doing well. Hope all is well with you, your brother and family.

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-17-2007, 07:09 PM
JimK, there's more here than you perceive. Maybe you could have personally emailed me this message? Why is everyone afraid to post who they are? Are you afraid to post who you are? This general paranoia goes beyond being retiscent about who you are, and to the point of being responsible about what you post.
So, how do you like them apples. Heard that before?
Danny

sjm
10-17-2007, 07:33 PM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum.

The AZB posters that have my respect earned it form ther posts, not from their names. As a representative of those who choose to post anonymously for personal reasons that are really none of your business, I find your post to be absolutely ridiculous. As for your suggestion that protecting our gambling action is our motive, thanks for a good laugh. I can relate that I cannot remember gambling at pool even once in the last five years.

Show respect for all posters and you'll maximize the quality of your AZB forum experience.

jimmy-leggs
10-17-2007, 07:47 PM
I'm Ceasar Morales,have never played pool before,ussually walk around with a ton of money,and would like someone to show me how to play.

olauzon
10-17-2007, 08:00 PM
My name is Joe and I am a poolaholic

<<Hi Joe>>

Terry Ardeno
10-17-2007, 08:09 PM
I'm Ceasar Morales,have never played pool before,ussually walk around with a ton of money,and would like someone to show me how to play.



And I'm Earl Strickland, the 6 time World 9 Ball Champion, 5 time U.S. Open 9 Ball Champion and the greatest 9 baller ever. I know I can beat you!
And hold still when I'm shooting will ya?
Morons.

***ATTENTION***NEWS BULLETIN***
This is a joke between me (Go Earl!) and my friend Jimmy (Go away Earl!)
We are buds and no need to get alarmed.This is all in jest and fun.:D

We now return you to the thread that younse was reading :)

dabarbr
10-17-2007, 10:55 PM
Like I used to tell them, "the reason you didn't win is because "I'm The Barber" and you're not.

JoeW
10-17-2007, 11:42 PM
Shooting Arts said, "Joe is your last name really W? Most people have a little more. I would make a small bet that there are more Joe W's in your town than there are Hu's in mine. Wanna bet?"

Most places I go there are several people named Joe -- no bet. However, I think that here and in other places there is more information about who I am than most would want to know, including my photo for those who would like to see who it is that presents these statements. If you were to see me at some event I think that you would recognize me from the photo and you would know my name.

And I doubt that it means anything to anyone except that I know that every time I post I am telling people who I really am and what I really think. Using my real name has a way of making me be more polite, more thoughtful of others comments, and more sensitive to how I am perceived by others. In general, it requires me to be more tactful most of the time.

A few months ago I played a few sets with a fellow I met on AZB. He commented something to the effect that he felt like he already knew me and a great deal about me, my family, and the things I think. He had already seen my pool room and felt right at home. I liked that as it cut right through the BS and made for some enjoyable evenings, even if I was quite a bit off my game during those few weeks. So there are advantages to being you in public and private life. It keeps me honest and requires that I be as polite in my posts as I would be in person.

BTW my email, listed on the forum, is Joe_Waldron at comcast.net so the full name is available and it is not necessary to spell out my whole name when responding to a post. I am the only JoeW in Rogers, Ohio (population about 500) that I know of. Our telephone book is for about 10-15 towns so I can't check this out very well or I would take some of your money :-) I am very easy to find.

memikey
10-18-2007, 12:28 AM
Duplicate post, system keeps logging me out. Subtle hint? LOL.

memikey
10-18-2007, 12:33 AM
.......Using my own name has a way of making me be more polite, more thoughtful of others comments and more sensitive to how I am perceived by others. I general it requires me to be more tactful...........It keeps me honest and requires that I be as polite in my posts as I would be in person.

That's fine in as far as how you perceive the positive influence of using your own name on your own posting behaviour in terms of your own politeness. After all you would know best what you could trust yourself to do in that respect if you were not using your own name.

I would agree that it is also crystal clear there are posters who do abuse their anonymity by sometimes behaving in a manner which they would not do in person. To deny so would be absurd.

However, whether it is what you intended to convey or not, when your above post is viewed in the context of your earlier expressed thrust of opinion on the subject, it does appear to be inferring that no-one can be trusted to post to generally the same degree of tactfulness or politeness as they would communicate in person if they use a nickname rather than their own name. If that is what you were implying I would disagree........ though not impolitely:) ;)

catscradle
10-18-2007, 03:21 AM
Shakespeare said it best:

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title: ? Romeo, doff thy name;
And for thy name, which is no part of thee..."

The question should be not why do people use "handles" instead of their names, but rather what does it matter if they do?

!Smorgass Bored
10-18-2007, 04:37 AM
Shakespeare said it best:

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title: ? Romeo, doff thy name;
And for thy name, which is no part of thee..."

The question should be not why do people use "handles" instead of their names, but rather what does it matter if they do?


Is Shakespeare the one that said, "Let them eat cake, bundt cake" ???????
Doug
http://www.figis.com/gifts/offer.asp?offerID=111320&campaign=ffps07bs008&source=5902802&GCID=S18403x001&gtkw=individual+bundt+cakes





.

mikepage
10-18-2007, 05:39 AM
I don't know guys, I may not ever understand the need to have a poster be identified by their real name. Yes, there are a few goofballs that come on here who rile us up because they have that cloak of anonymity and we have to weed them outta here. Still, the majority of us are enthusiasts who enjoy talking about pool.
[...]

Here's the problem. You're 8ballEinstein. You sound like a sensible guy who maybe has some experience around the pool world. You've posted 250 times. I might have read posts from you before. But if I did I don't remember it. So when I started reading your post I didn't have you pegged as a sensible guy who maybe has been around the block.

If you take people like jsp, sjm, and MeMikey, I don't really consider them anonymous--at least in a practical sense for me they are not. I know what city they're all in. I know or think I know approximately how old they are. I know something about their relationship to pool. And most importantly I know they are all thoughtful people with ideas I find valuable or intriguing and that my time is well spent opening their posts.

When I see "8ballEinstein," I don't know if you're a teenager in Des Moines, a twenty something woman in Japan, a typical league player in Toledo, or an old guy who's been playing bar pool in Wyoming for five decades. For lots of opinions I need to put them in the context of who is saying them. It's not about being elitist. It's about filling in the things that are not said.

And importantly if I don't have a way to grasp onto who you are, then unless you really impress me, I'm not going to remember whether it was nosoupforyou or 9ballmaniac that said something. When I read something by you again, I won't make the connection. It's hard for me to get to the point with you that I'm at with Memikey, jsp, and sjm if I don't have the basic demographic information to catalogue my impression of your thoughts.

And frankly, there are a lot more posts here than anybody can read (at least I hope nobody reads them all). When I open a thread that already has 50 posts on whether a short backswing is good or bad, I scan for people whose opinions interest me. It's much easier for you to get on that list if you're John Jones, a league team captain in Syracuse, or even John J., who plays in a retirement facility in Phoenix than if you're STICKSWINGER with no demographic information, who I have no reason to believe will not be TOMCRUISE tomorrow.

asn130
10-18-2007, 05:50 AM
my name is Keyser Soze

8ballEinstein
10-18-2007, 06:27 AM
Here's the problem. You're 8ballEinstein. You sound like a sensible guy who maybe has some experience around the pool world. You've posted 250 times. I might have read posts from you before. But if I did I don't remember it. So when I started reading your post I didn't have you pegged as a sensible guy who maybe has been around the block.

I'm OK with all that. I can be just one of the hundreds of folks who post on here. I'll be happy to let my posts reveal something about me, instead of my name, location, age or whatever. During those 250 posts that I have, interested forum members have been able to figure out my general location and approximate age. One sent me a PM and invited me to their home for a pool party. He also used a nickname and I didn't know him by anything other than his posts. Still, I felt comfortable that he was a stand up guy. We never met for the party because of a scheduling conflict on my part, but I have an open invitation to hook up with him when I'm in his area. If we do meet, he will likely learn more about me than he wants to know.

Bottom line, if someone on here wanted to know me better, beyond what they read on my posts, they can send a PM. That's what it's for.

Patrick Johnson
10-18-2007, 06:53 AM
messing up someones game and ability to make money

If your ability to make money depends on hiding your skills so you can make a lopsided game, it's already messed up.

pj
chgo

!Smorgass Bored
10-18-2007, 06:55 AM
Bottom line, if someone on here wanted to know me better, beyond what they read on my posts, they can send a PM. That's what it's for.


Really ? All I get is death threats. :)
Doug
( and empty beer cans )

Jimk
10-18-2007, 06:58 AM
JimK, there's more here than you perceive. Maybe you could have personally emailed me this message? Why is everyone afraid to post who they are? Are you afraid to post who you are? This general paranoia goes beyond being retiscent about who you are, and to the point of being responsible about what you post.
So, how do you like them apples. Heard that before?
Danny
Danny, no offense intended. I have many reasons to hide my true identity as I am constantly involved in nefariuos and under handed activies. Oh what the hell. Jim Kuykendall, venerable older brother of Danny Kuykendall.

Danny Kuykendal
10-18-2007, 07:03 AM
pj, What did McGoorty say after years of hustling and conning people on the pool table? Something like "At least when someone sticks a gun in your face and demands your money, you know you're being robbed."

Danny

!Smorgass Bored
10-18-2007, 07:06 AM
Danny, no offense intended. I have many reasons to hide my true identity as I am constantly involved in nefariuos and under handed activies. Oh what the hell. Jim Kuykendall, venerable older brother of Danny Kuykendall.


I don't believe you and one of you is going to L.
(for lying)

Doug Kuykendoll

Kuykendal, Danny
Kuykendall, Jim







.

Danny Kuykendal
10-18-2007, 07:08 AM
Jim, thanks for responding. Everything's fine brother. Making it to Reno this year?

I attempted to stir the stewpot. Worked, right? I think this is something all pool players should consider, because if its reputation. Why not be a little more stand-up to help the reputation of the game?

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-18-2007, 07:08 AM
Jim, thanks for responding. Everything's fine brother. Making it to Reno this year?

I attempted to stir the stewpot. Worked, right? I think this is something all pool players should consider, because of its reputation. Why not be a little more stand-up to help the reputation of the game?

Danny

Danny Kuykendal
10-18-2007, 07:09 AM
Doug, I'll change that right away as soon as I learn how.

Danny

9 on the snap
10-18-2007, 09:38 AM
LOL Tuco, you sound like a fun guy to hang with! Let's go bird huntin sometime.


Myself, I'm just a government bureaucrat from Montana named Richard. My friends call me Dick.

Sincerely,
Dick Cheney :p

52129
Hey Dick I thought you were from Wyoming.

9 on the snap
10-18-2007, 09:39 AM
<<Hi Joe>>

Thanks brother.

catscradle
10-18-2007, 09:58 AM
Really ? All I get is death threats. :)
Doug
( and empty beer cans )

Yeah, but those are just left over from the bad old days on RSB. :) I don't think anybody on AZB his a contract out on you.

mikepage
10-18-2007, 10:08 AM
Yeah, but those are just left over from the bad old days on RSB. :) I don't think anybody on AZB his a contract out on you.

Which reminds me, Is Jimbo really not allowed to post here? If so, why not?

catscradle
10-18-2007, 01:01 PM
Which reminds me, Is Jimbo really not allowed to post here? If so, why not?

Funny how mentioning Smorg, RSB, and disagreements brings to mind Jim. :) Ahhhh, for the good ol' days.

He was banned. I suspect his banishment has expired, but that he chooses to ban himself.

Bigjohn
10-18-2007, 01:21 PM
I'm a little concerned at the fact that I don't know who I'm talking to on this forum. I play pedal steel guitar and on the Steel Guitar Forum you always know who you're talking to. Even if an nickname is used the person's real name is listed under the nickname.

Why? Is it a pool thing? Do pool players enjoy being incognito?
I personally believe this is one of the reasons pool has achieved it's seedy reputation, because players are always doing something hidden (for lack of a better word).

I go to the player profile and I still don't get a name. Maybe this is an insidious problem particular to pool players? Is giving out your name going to spoil some action?

In my pool room everything is above board. All players know each other, don't hustle any unsuspecting people, and (mostly) behave like gentlemen.
Rudolfo Luat came into my room 10 years ago looking for a game, and I told everyone who he was, like I do all hustlers and players, and he only said, "I understand, you're protecting your customers". He was nice about it. Unlike some players I've run into that get miffed that I "spoiled their action".

Thing is, even if he didn't understand, I would have spoiled his action. And that's one reason I don't get a lot of hustlers coming through Danny K's.

Believe me, we have some really good players who play at my place, but they don't need to hustle, and they understand it doesn't work at Danny K's.

Again, WHO'S WHO?


Danny K

Hi, My name is John... You wanna buy a cue ???

Perk
10-19-2007, 11:22 AM
I think the forum names work as it is now. A ton of people use real names or internet names and to me it doesnt really matter. Most people tend to post/reply about the same types of topics and end up interacting with different groups within AZ. After someone has been around awhile, you have an idea of the type of poster/person they are. I associate a real name/online name as the same thing. For some I know both and anyone that mentions an online name it automatically clicks of who that person is, and what type of posts they normally discuss about.

Awhile back there was a post where alot of people filled in some information about themselves and started putting it in their signatures, or filling in their location. There is plenty of information regarding anyone that has posted for a period of time.

If someone comes on and uses a real name like "Tom Sawyer" or something, it will not mean anything until he/she starts posting and his/her style becomes apparent. I do not think someone gets credibility for their name alone unless your name is "Michael Jordan" or "Efren".

I also have the opinion that it does not matter if you post your real name or not as far as internet security goes. Anyone that knows your name or wants to know your name will get your information one way or another.

FWIW, my online handle is very similiar to my real name, and personal friends call me it as well. If I deal with someone via PM's or meet them at an event, then they may hear my entire name. Any discussions I have had with anyone, I would hope my posts come across very similar to my RL nature. You cant hide behind the internet anyways.