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Gregg
11-30-2007, 12:03 PM
Last night, my teammate asked me "Hey Gregg, where's your break cue?"

My response? "It's in my cue case."

And that was all I had to say about that. I don't need to sit around and worry about someone who will not care for my equipment like I would.

My Sledgehammer has already struck a table lamp during an errant break by a teammate.

It also has been rolled off the wall by a teammate who thought my cues can defy gravity by leaning against a wall at 45 degree angle into a high traffic area of the pool hall. It didn't.

It's not that I'm over protective or anal, I just don't want someone using my cues who doesn't have a reverence for fine pool equipment, or how to care for it.

bigskyjake
11-30-2007, 12:08 PM
I don't blame you Gregg, there's too many careless bastards that have absolutely no respect for other people's property. I was raised to take better care of other people's stuff than if it were my own. Don't you hate it when someone wanders in on tournament or league night and does the "hey, anybody got a cue I can borrow"

Irish634
11-30-2007, 12:09 PM
Same here. My Varney doesn't get very far from me or my case, especially league nights.

Blackjack
11-30-2007, 12:21 PM
Last night, my teammate asked me "Hey Gregg, where's your break cue?"

My response? "It's in my cue case."

And that was all I had to say about that. I don't need to sit around and worry about someone who will not care for my equipment like I would.

My Sledgehammer has already struck a table lamp during an errant break by a teammate.

It also has been rolled off the wall by a teammate who thought my cues can defy gravity by leaning against a wall at 45 degree angle into a high traffic area of the pool hall. It didn't.

It's not that I'm over protective or anal, I just don't want someone using my cues who doesn't have a reverence for fine pool equipment.

I don't allow anybody to use any of my cues at all for any reason.

Story 1 - A few months ago, Tommy Kennedy was doing a trick shot demonstration. He pulled a girl from the crowd to make the trick shot. She looked as if she had never held a cue before. She hit the shot and proceeded to drop Tommy's playing cue on the floor (This was at Cunninghams in Vero Beach, Florida - no carpet - just cement). OUCH!

Story 2 - I am at a UPA event and ProPlayerX asks me if I have an extra shaft that would fit his cue. He had equipment issues and I thought I would be nice and I allowed him to use my shaft to play his match while his was being fixed. During his match, I look over and he is using COURSE sandpaper on my brand new shaft. I went ballistic. I don't lend out my shafts anymore either.

Story 3 - I am playing in the weekly tournament at Click's in El Paso. I am in between matches, and this lady I had never seen before has her match called. She didn't have her own cue. I'm sitting there talking with a friend of mine sitting on a stool with my cue, which is leaning against my leg. This lady comes over and grabs my cue and starts walking away. She never said a word to me when she did it. I chase after her and tell her to give me my cue back. She looks at me, looks at the cue, shrugs her shoulders and starts walking around the pool table with it. I tell her that it's my cue and that she can't use it, and I finally grab it away from her. It was then that I heard the dumbest words that were ever uttered in my presence... "I don't know what you're so mad about. Nobody else was using it." Obviously she was the end result of what happens when lovers share a bottle of Tequila and decide to conceive children.

Ant812
11-30-2007, 12:36 PM
i dont blame you either. my break cue is a community cue, its all banged up now.
a couple weeks ago i was practicing before leauge and after the rack i was looking for a place to lean my cue. the bar was a lot more crowded than normal so i was just standing there looking around for a good place and my teammate grabbed my stick and said "right here" (with a face that said after all these years you dont know this trick yet) and put it in between the back rest and the seat of a steel framed chair. :eek:

Varney Cues
11-30-2007, 12:39 PM
I learned the hard way...now I simply don't loan my personal cues. And believe me I get asked a lot. People are always "hey Varney let me try out one of your break cues"...."sorry but the only one I have is MINE".:)

Jude Rosenstock
11-30-2007, 12:43 PM
Just give it to me. I'll take care of it.

Straw_Hat
11-30-2007, 12:53 PM
I don't let anyone play with any of my cues.. i learned my lesson when i was 16 and someone used my cue.. then for whatever reason decided to lay it down and try to jump a ball over it.. smashing into my cue and knocking a chunk out of it. it was my first "nicer cue" and i was very upset... also i normally play with a sneaky pete when just shooting balls around in a busy place it never ceases to amaze me how often I'll go to the restroom if it's busy and come back and have to go around the room hunting down my cue... but as far as break cues, I just break with what I shoot with so I no longer have to worry about that.

Gregg
11-30-2007, 12:56 PM
Just give it to me. I'll take care of it.

I don't mind lending out my gear to people I know will care for it. And we all know accidents happen.

It's the mindless neglect I can't tolerate.

WesleyW
11-30-2007, 01:00 PM
Nice stories.

Straw_Hat
11-30-2007, 01:01 PM
the only problem I have letting even those that really respect the cues from borrowing mine is the fact I have a problem with chalk on the ferrule and it drives me mad cleaning it off after.. it seems most people don't really think about even that little thing ..

Gregg
11-30-2007, 01:04 PM
the only problem I have letting even those that really respect the cues from borrowing mine is the fact I have a problem with chalk on the ferrule and it drives me mad cleaning it off after.. it seems most people don't really think about even that little thing ..

I'm also mindful of this, but that I can clean that off.

Shawn Armstrong
11-30-2007, 01:05 PM
Treat your cue like your "significant other". Baby her, look after her, and don't loan her out. That's how I treat my cues, as well as the cues of others that I repair.

Blackjack
11-30-2007, 01:07 PM
the only problem I have letting even those that really respect the cues from borrowing mine is the fact I have a problem with chalk on the ferrule and it drives me mad cleaning it off after.. it seems most people don't really think about even that little thing ..

Personally, I don't care about that because you can get rid of the chalk easily. Nicks, scrapes, dents, and chips are my biggest concern, along with damage to the cue joint.

Straw_Hat
11-30-2007, 01:16 PM
I'm also mindful of this, but that I can clean that off.


I agree it's a little thing and easy to fix.. It's just the reason I hesitate or deny perhaps a seasoned player my cue..

Irish634
11-30-2007, 01:24 PM
Personally, I don't care about that because you can get rid of the chalk easily. Nicks, scrapes, dents, and chips are my biggest concern, along with damage to the cue joint.

Don't you just love it when someone borrows your cue then proceeds to tap the shaft & ferrule on the pocket they are calling? :p

pwd72s
11-30-2007, 01:31 PM
Suggestion...buy a cheap imported cue as a "loaner"...;)

WesleyW
11-30-2007, 01:33 PM
They usually use the shaft to move the balls on the table, or in other words, hitting the balls with your shaft :(

poolhustler
11-30-2007, 01:36 PM
I also don't mind letting friends or quality players use my cue if I am not.

Anyone else....forget it!!

At a tournament one night a buddy left his cue leaning in a corner and when he came back to get it, it was gone !!! I helped him search for it and found it in the hands of a 20 something, SMOKIN' HOT babe !!! The funny part was when she started arguing with my freind that it was absolutely not a custom cue, but just a house cue and he could not have it back !!!! We both couldn't believe it as it looks nothing like a house cue. After about 5 minutes of arguing, he called over the TD who was friends with this girl and just said...."Give him back his cue" !!

I guess all the looks in the world can't make up for lack of common sense!!

Russ.......

poolhustler
11-30-2007, 01:37 PM
They usually use the shaft to move the balls on the table, or in other words, hitting the balls with your shaft :(


The only balls that will be hit with my shaft are my own!!!!!!!!!

:D

Russ.......

Pushout
11-30-2007, 01:54 PM
I don't mind letting someone I know use my break cue, but I'm damn watchful of what they do with it after they break.

Cuaba
11-30-2007, 01:59 PM
I break with my playing cue. I jump with it too.

PlynSets
11-30-2007, 05:10 PM
I learned the hard way...now I simply don't loan my personal cues. And believe me I get asked a lot. People are always "hey Varney let me try out one of your break cues"...."sorry but the only one I have is MINE".:)

No offense Mr. Varney, but if I asked you to try one of your break cues or other wise and you said no.. I'd really struggle with ever buying one off of you.

As a cuemakerYou should always have something on hand for potential customers to try.

RD

trustyrusty
11-30-2007, 05:25 PM
My J&J J/B is used be everyone, well, it was, until teammates decided they needed one on other nights (when I wasn't playing)....2 teammates decided to buy their own after using mine.

For $50....who cares? Hard to hurt one of those suckers anyway.

Varney Cues
11-30-2007, 06:39 PM
No offense Mr. Varney, but if I asked you to try one of your break cues or other wise and you said no.. I'd really struggle with ever buying one off of you.

As a cuemakerYou should always have something on hand for potential customers to try.

RD

I understand your thoughts and you are somewhat correct but you have to consider the other side. If I'm in the pool room matching up or playing in a tourney then its a bit distracting. It'd be different if I was set up as a vendor. Earlier in my career I'd carry an extra j/b...and someone would always make me an offer & I'd sell it. Couldn't hardly keep an extra one on hand. Even sold my personal one so many times you can't imagine. Hard to say no when they start stacking up cash. Same with my playing cue, everyone seems to want the cuemakers personal cues. I guess feeling they are getting the best of the best. I honestly used to make my j/b as ugly as possible so no one would want it...didn't work, they bought those too. I finally made a rule that I would not sell my personal cues unless I had a replacement ready. Finally, now that I've played with the same cue for 2 yrs, my game has picked up a bit. You have to consider now too that I have quite a waiting list. Its not fair to the customers who are waiting patiently for me to sell one to someone on the spot. How would you feel if you've been waiting several months yet your buddy bought one instantly because he bumped into me.
Its a fine line...I try to be fair as possible. Hope you understand a bit better now.:)

Danktrees
11-30-2007, 06:46 PM
Suggestion...buy a cheap imported cue as a "loaner"...;)

why the hell would u spend money to buy a cue specifically to loan to other ppl? thats pretty dumb.

StormHotRod300
11-30-2007, 07:42 PM
Gregg,

you should have said this back to said guy " I dont know, why? where is your break cue? "

I have a couple buddies I travel with to pool tournaments and both of them are free to use my stuff anytime. While, all of us are trying to win a tournament, I also want them to win too.

WesleyW
12-01-2007, 11:48 AM
Nobody wants to use my cues. My playing cue is like really light, so they wouldn't like it. My break cue is extreem light and extreem forward balanced. Don't think there are much peoples who like to use mine :D.

pwd72s
12-01-2007, 01:27 PM
why the hell would u spend money to buy a cue specifically to loan to other ppl? thats pretty dumb.

For the same reason I have a set of cheap tools as "loaners", while the snap-on stuff stays in my locked rollaway...;) Seriously, when we have friends visit, we all wish to bang some balls, I have "loaners"...I see nothing wrong with that...

WesleyW
12-01-2007, 01:33 PM
For the same reason I have a set of cheap tools as "loaners", while the snap-on stuff stays in my locked rollaway...;) Seriously, when we have friends visit, we all wish to bang some balls, I have "loaners"...I see nothing wrong with that...


I call those, "housecues".

pwd72s
12-01-2007, 01:37 PM
I call those, "housecues".

Yep...only 2 piece in soft cases. "Hey, want to go play pool? I have a cue I'll loan you."

WesleyW
12-01-2007, 01:47 PM
Yep...only 2 piece in soft cases. "Hey, want to go play pool? I have a cue I'll loan you."

Why loan a cue if the poolroom got like 30 of them?

berlowmj
12-01-2007, 09:52 PM
I don't blame you Gregg, there's too many careless bastards that have absolutely no respect for other people's property. I was raised to take better care of other people's stuff than if it were my own. Don't you hate it when someone wanders in on tournament or league night and does the "hey, anybody got a cue I can borrow"

I had my cues in my hard case inside my luggage & found them banged up with a note from TSA acknowledging that they had searched my luggage.

Scott Lee
12-01-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm exactly the same...although I do own a break cue and a jump cue!:eek: :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I break with my playing cue. I jump with it too.

billyjack
12-01-2007, 10:23 PM
I find it amazing that guys who would never think of borrowing your playing cue don't hesitate to ask for you J/B. Then they insist on doing their best impression of a Johnny Archer leg-in-the-air, shaft-bending break just to see if it's really better than a wallabushka. Now that I have a case that will handle my cues butt-down, I just store both in the case next to my chair. Leaning it against the wall by the house cues is just an open invitation for some people.
Bill

cuesblues
12-01-2007, 11:02 PM
Suggestion...buy a cheap imported cue as a "loaner"...;)

A few years ago, I loaned a brand new Predator to a friend, and got it back with the entire forearm and butt sleeve chipped, dinged, and scratched. I forgot he was an idiot, and no longer loan out cues. Against my better judgment, I have been letting another friend borrow one of my Ernie Martinez cues during league, and the other night I gave him a very nice Madison Bob sneaky instead, and he got a little testy about it. Next week, I am taking your advice, and I am going to give him an imported cue to keep.

I hear the "hey where's your break cue" all the time

HollyWood
12-02-2007, 12:32 AM
I just got done fixing another players jump cue. All because he lent it out. Inever let any of the boys use break cue or playing cues! Its all about the lanolin-where has that guys hands been? Some guys hands sweat some don't. Especially when they go what kind of tip is that-do you have to chalk phenolics. Ever see anyone go hey Tiger can I borrow your putter. I like howie Mandels handshake- all knuckles(fists) mark

easy-e
12-02-2007, 12:50 AM
You guys ever see the guy with the $15 playing cue AND a break cue? I usually ask them why they have two cues and they say they don't want to damage their "nice" one by breaking with it. Always makes me smile. Even if they break it they can probably just screw another tip on right there!

olauzon
12-02-2007, 02:05 AM
I just got done fixing another players jump cue. All because he lent it out. Inever let any of the boys use break cue or playing cues! Its all about the lanolin-where has that guys hands been? Some guys hands sweat some don't. Especially when they go what kind of tip is that-do you have to chalk phenolics. Ever see anyone go hey Tiger can I borrow your putter. I like howie Mandels handshake- all knuckles(fists) mark

you'll grow up to be a good wife some day, holly.

Shortside K
12-02-2007, 07:00 AM
No offense Mr. Varney, but if I asked you to try one of your break cues or other wise and you said no.. I'd really struggle with ever buying one off of you.

As a cuemakerYou should always have something on hand for potential customers to try.

RD

sounds like a smart business practice to me...

Shortside K
12-02-2007, 07:26 AM
I must live a very sheltered life... I have no problem lending my equipment to most of the people I know in the "pool community", and have done so many, many times with no bad consequences. Obviously I would not lend them to a "known jerk". "Players that would not respect my cues" would never ask to use them... they know better...

I guess another big factor is that I do not play in "bars" and thus eliminate the "alcohol" factor.
Also, I play pretty well and am respected and liked by most of the people in the area.

The only time I refuse to lend my cues, is when I am presently using them or when I am playing in a tournament and someone asks to use my J/B. I feel that they should have/bring their own and "why should I let someone beat me with MY equipment?".

On the other side of the coin... I don't know anyone that would not lend ME their cues... if I asked... ( I don't ask).
They know how I treat my own equipment and that I would treat theirs at least as good and thus would not hesitate to lend me their stuff.

On the whole, I see very little loaning/borrowing of equipment at any time. People around here seem to have their own stuff or make do without.

StormHotRod300
12-02-2007, 10:45 PM
Actually this just popped into my head while reading this thread.

Next time, someone askes you where your break cue is, just point to the wall where all the house cue's are, and say, " It's over there on the wall "