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housecue
12-02-2007, 06:54 AM
I'm in the market to purchase my first cue, I visited many billiard shops and find that most cues are made with linen wraps, and I tried them out and I cant stroke hard without them sliding on my hand. Does anyone have this problem? Or is it just me?

Now I know I need to go wrapless but unfortunately there isn't many good choices. :mad:

WesleyW
12-02-2007, 07:04 AM
I know what you mean. I've the same problem. That's why mine playing cue has also no linnen. If you want to buy a new one. Go look for a sneaky pete. A lot of them are no wraps.

David Beck
12-02-2007, 07:05 AM
That's why I got a linen wrap. Slipstroke.

SPINDOKTOR
12-02-2007, 07:26 AM
Im not sure what your looking for in a wrapless but I know Dave has one for sale, the link is in my sig, if you go to the site, click on cues for sale, it is the second cue down from the top I believe,It also comes with two shafts, according to Dave..


As far as not being abe to stroke with a wrap, Im assuming you grip the cue very light? this seems to be pretty common actualy, no biggie, just go with a wrapless, or grip the cue a lil tighter, I myself would rather just get a cue that fits my style..


SPINDOKTOR

Varney Cues
12-02-2007, 07:45 AM
Exact reason I prefer wrapless. 90% of the cues I build are wrapless.

Shortside K
12-02-2007, 08:23 AM
Exact reason I prefer wrapless. 90% of the cues I build are wrapless.

Coming from a snooker background... the first "pool cue" I bought came with a linen wrap... I didn't like it... and still don't really like it even after going thru many different cues...

But... I adapted... it seemed that was the norm and you just got used to it. Later I realized that some cue makers built wrapless cues...
This seemed like what I wanted, but I never pursued it... still playing with a wrap...

I wondered why/how wraps became the norm... me belief is that because of the potential for warping of the butts when a single solid piece of wood was used... the handle sections thus became composited pieces that resisted warping and it was necessary to cover this piece with something... a linen wrap... makes sense to me.

Maybe someday...

TripXQ
12-02-2007, 08:28 AM
Good morning,
You are more than welcome to check out my website for wrapless cues. What works for one does not work for others always. Linen wrapped cues are much less expensive to make because one uses finer wood for an unwrapped handle. Checkout www.triplecrosscues.com

Thanks in advance for checking me out.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:

Black-Balled
12-02-2007, 08:39 AM
I can't stand linen either. I do have one cue with a cork wrap that is worlds better than linen, but I still prefer wrapless.

Johnnyt
12-02-2007, 08:43 AM
Exact reason I prefer wrapless. 90% of the cues I build are wrapless.

And your cues are the best bang for the buck...imo. Johnnyt

McChen
12-02-2007, 09:02 AM
i seal my linen wraps with a shellac sanding sealer to make them grippier

cuesblues
12-02-2007, 09:08 AM
With a name like "Housecue" I can see why you don't like wraps on cues. Personally I don't care if the cue has a wrap or not. I like the looks and feel of cues with leather wraps, as well as wrap less cues. The thing I don't like is the linen material that feels like a cheap Halloween costume, or a Kmart sports Jersey.

Schmohawk
12-02-2007, 09:20 AM
I'm in the market to purchase my first cue, I visited many billiard shops and find that most cues are made with linen wraps, and I tried them out and I cant stroke hard without them sliding on my hand. Does anyone have this problem? Or is it just me?

Now I know I need to go wrapless but unfortunately there isn't many good choices. :mad:


Me too- Wraps only aid sweaty handed people

sygfrid
12-02-2007, 09:27 AM
That's why I got a linen wrap. Slipstroke.

I too find it easier to do a slipstroke with a linen wrap. Unfortunately, all my cues now are wrapless. Nevertheless, I love the feedback a wrapless cue makes:)

Ralph Kramden
12-02-2007, 09:38 AM
With a name like "Housecue" I can see why you don't like wraps on cues. Personally I don't care if the cue has a wrap or not. I like the looks and feel of cues with leather wraps, as well as wrap less cues. The thing I don't like is the linen material that feels like a cheap Halloween costume, or a Kmart sports Jersey.

Most cues in the department stores like Kmart or Walmart have a slippery nylon wrap, not a linen wrap.

A GOOD irish linen flax wrap that is put on some custom cues has a very nice feel, but everyone has their own preferences.

DrCue'sProtege
12-02-2007, 09:45 AM
i seal my linen wraps with a shellac sanding sealer to make them grippier

good idea.

perhaps its because a brand new cue, or at least with a brand new linen wrap, are usually slick. most cuemakers should be able to adjust the linen wrap to the point where its not as slick, and feels stickier. when i got my Jacoby the linen wrap was so slick i almost couldnt play with it.

DCP

McChen
12-02-2007, 11:18 AM
also sealing the wrap keeps it a lot cleaner. i like it better than wrapless because it is grippy, but still has some texture. i use zinsser sealcoat or some behlen's woodturner's finish

Varney Cues
12-02-2007, 12:15 PM
my belief is that because of the potential for warping of the butts when a single solid piece of wood was used... the handle sections thus became composited pieces that resisted warping and it was necessary to cover this piece with something... a linen wrap... makes sense to me.

Not so much...wraps were used mainly because many players feel it gives them a better grip....looks like it should anyway. What they don't realize is how much harder you have to squeeze the cue to keep it from sliding when you stroke, thus killing a lot of cueball action. Seldom are butts made from 1 solid piece of wood. I would never make one like that as the "hit" would be less than stellar. Wrapless cues are still 3 seperate sections like the pic of one of mine below. You are correct that if it was one long piece of wood it would indeed be harder to keep it straight.

Pushout
12-02-2007, 12:40 PM
If I might make a suggestion, I don't know what cues you've tried, but production cues tend to simply thread on the linen, without pressing/polishing it. To me, it makes a big difference whether the wrap is pressed or not. I think that most custom cuemakers press linen wraps as opposed to just threading them on and leaving it at that. I've played with mostly linen wraps and one of the reasons I didn't care for Meucci cues is because they covered the linen with finish. I'd like to try a wrapless cue, but it will be a while.

gotg8888
12-02-2007, 10:20 PM
I bought a cue with a linen wrap after a 20 year layoff from pool. Sold the cue after 3 months, cue did not feel right at times b/c it slipped. I prefer leather or wrapless.

chilli66
12-02-2007, 10:38 PM
I can't stand wraps. My playing cue is a wrapless Dominiak Kandycurly. Great value for $150. What surprises me is that I've had the cue for 8 months & yet lately I've gotten a ton of comments & questions about it!

Fatboy
12-02-2007, 10:52 PM
Exact reason I prefer wrapless. 90% of the cues I build are wrapless.

thats why I only play with a Cue-Tec since I turned pro this week

SPINDOKTOR
12-02-2007, 11:59 PM
thats why I only play with a Cue-Tec since I turned pro this week

your eyes better yet? cause you know, me and you.... its gonna happen...

:( I Luv my cuetec....CUETEC P O W E R ! ACTIVATE! your in troubble now.. DCP taught me that.. :D



SPINDOKTOR

softshot
12-03-2007, 01:11 AM
I think it has more to do with how much your palms sweat. I am unfortunately one with damp palms in all but the coldest weather. and for me a linen wrap is the best. It absorbs excess moisture in a way that no other wrap (including wrap less) does. For me it actually provides more grip than a wrap less cue. In this regard it truly is a personal preference. I get an uncontrollable slip stroke when using wrap less or even leather wrapped cues unless I grip way to tight.

To each his own.

SPINDOKTOR
12-03-2007, 01:24 AM
I think it has more to do with how much your palms sweat. I am unfortunately one with damp palms in all but the coldest weather. and for me a linen wrap is the best. It absorbs excess moisture in a way that no other wrap (including wrap less) does. For me it actually provides more grip than a wrap less cue. In this regard it truly is a personal preference. I get an uncontrollable slip stroke when using wrap less or even leather wrapped cues unless I grip way to tight.

To each his own.


I just bought a cue with a Cork Wrap, never tried it but many people have said it is very confortable. personaly I dont care what wrap the cue has, this has never had any effect on my game. my hands dont really sweat alot tho, and Ive always liked super slick double pressed and shinny wrap, I like the "silky" feeling, my point is, If I have a wrap, Im not going to dope it with Vasaline or something, just buy whatever cue style that fits you..

I grip the cue, I use my pointer finger and thumb only, and I grip the cue this tight, lay your cue on the table, pick it up.. thats the amount of power I use for the grip.


SPINDOKTOR

mark8950
12-03-2007, 02:14 AM
well all i can tell u is linen is the best grip? its all in ur head or u havent been playing long, u have to get used to it. sparky