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Roppongi
12-04-2007, 12:35 PM
Hey guys,

I would be in Manhatten for the next 2 months or so for a business trip. Currently residing near the Time Warner Center next to Central Park.

Just wondering if there are any nice pool halls nearby that you guys would recommend me to visit?

Thanks!

Benny

Jude Rosenstock
12-04-2007, 12:36 PM
Hey guys,

I would be in Manhatten for the next 2 months or so for a business trip. Currently residing near the Time Warner Center next to Central Park.

Just wondering if there are any nice pool halls nearby that you guys would recommend me to visit?

Thanks!

Benny


The best room in Manhattan is by far Amsterdam Billiards on 11th Street and 4th Avenue. I would recommend going during the day on weekdays or weekends since the wait list can get a little brutal during league nights.

av84fun
12-04-2007, 02:57 PM
What Jude said but BE SURE to visit Hall of Fame Billiards...just a tube ride to Brooklyn. It's owned by Jean Balukas' family and is a REAL player's room.

There is a good chance that Jean will be there because she runs the joint so in addition to playing in an authentic room, you can hang with one of the all-time greats!

Hall of Fame Billiards
505 Ovington Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11209-1701
Phone: (718) 921-2694

Jude Rosenstock
12-04-2007, 03:50 PM
What Jude said but BE SURE to visit Hall of Fame Billiards...just a tube ride to Brooklyn. It's owned by Jean Balukas' family and is a REAL player's room.

There is a good chance that Jean will be there because she runs the joint so in addition to playing in an authentic room, you can hang with one of the all-time greats!

Hall of Fame Billiards
505 Ovington Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11209-1701
Phone: (718) 921-2694


Don't get me wrong, Bay Ridge is a beautiful neighborhood and Hall of Fame Billiards definitely has a classic look but a quick jaunt on the subway it is not. It's about a one hour trek from anywhere in Manhattan.

ineedaspot
12-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Related question: are there any weekly 9-ball tournaments you would recommend?

yobagua
12-04-2007, 05:01 PM
Benny I will be in Manhattan from 12/17 then I go to the Derby on 1/3. Im not far away from where you will be. If you want to play sometime PM me and I will meet you at Amsterdam and show you around. I hung out in Roppongi for a while.

Roppongi
12-04-2007, 05:04 PM
hey all, thks for your comments. really appreciate them :D

Roppongi
12-04-2007, 05:05 PM
Benny I will be in Manhattan from 12/17 then I go to the Derby on 1/3. Im not far away from where you will be. If you want to play sometime PM me and I will meet you at Amsterdam and show you around. I hung out in Roppongi for a while.

Sure thing! I'll pm you when i've got time to play. Din bring along my cues though :(

Thanks for the offer :D

Jen_Cen
12-04-2007, 07:26 PM
The best room in Manhattan is by far Amsterdam Billiards on 11th Street and 4th Avenue. I would recommend going during the day on weekdays or weekends since the wait list can get a little brutal during league nights.

The one thing I don't like about Amsterdam though is their house cues. Horrible, horrible tips. I mean, is it too much to ask to have house cues with decent tips?

td873
12-04-2007, 08:15 PM
Hey guys,

I would be in Manhatten for the next 2 months or so for a business trip. Currently residing near the Time Warner Center next to Central Park.

Just wondering if there are any nice pool halls nearby that you guys would recommend me to visit?

Thanks!

Benny
Does the search function work on AZ? We should let someone know that it's broken.

-td

av84fun
12-04-2007, 11:54 PM
Don't get me wrong, Bay Ridge is a beautiful neighborhood and Hall of Fame Billiards definitely has a classic look but a quick jaunt on the subway it is not. It's about a one hour trek from anywhere in Manhattan.

HUH??? Maybe during rush hour and a taxi strike. It's about exactly 12 miles and the last time I went to visit Jean, it took MAYBE 30 minutes in a cab (not rush hour) so I would assume it would have to be that time or less on the subway...although I don't ride the subway so I can't testify from personal experience.

But the tube HAS to average a LOT more that 12 mph, right?

And "anywhere in Manhattan?" From downtown you jump on the WSH, take the Battery Tunnel and you're practically there. 5-6 miles TOPS. 15 minutes in the subway.

But aside from travel time issues, Amsterdam is a SUPER place. Thorsten, Tony Robles and a bunch more top players hang there. An upscale classic.

Hall of Fame is and old fashioned, neighborhood pool hall. Clean and friendly but there is no brass or mahogany in the joint! (-:

Regards,
Jim

Njhustler1
12-05-2007, 07:17 AM
I swear this question comes up every single week on here.

Roppongi
12-05-2007, 07:20 AM
Thanks for the response. I'll serach thru the forums myself then. :)

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 07:52 AM
HUH??? Maybe during rush hour and a taxi strike. It's about exactly 12 miles and the last time I went to visit Jean, it took MAYBE 30 minutes in a cab (not rush hour) so I would assume it would have to be that time or less on the subway...although I don't ride the subway so I can't testify from personal experience.

But the tube HAS to average a LOT more that 12 mph, right?

And "anywhere in Manhattan?" From downtown you jump on the WSH, take the Battery Tunnel and you're practically there. 5-6 miles TOPS. 15 minutes in the subway.

But aside from travel time issues, Amsterdam is a SUPER place. Thorsten, Tony Robles and a bunch more top players hang there. An upscale classic.

Hall of Fame is and old fashioned, neighborhood pool hall. Clean and friendly but there is no brass or mahogany in the joint! (-:

Regards,
Jim


Yeah, you're right. What do I know? I only live here.

dan_boersma
12-05-2007, 09:16 AM
Yeah, you're right. What do I know? I only live here.


Jude, I got there in 12 minutes just a week ago during rush hour.

The trick is, you need to be in the batmobile.

Then make sure Batman skips the roads and goes rocket-boat style through upper New York Bay.

When you almost to brooklyn, turn on the rocket thrusters and get to about an altitude of 1200 feet.

From there you should be able to parachute right in on Jean and the fellas.

So let this be a lesson: Don't claim to know what you don't know. Got it, Jude?

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 09:29 AM
Jude, I got there in 12 minutes just a week ago during rush hour.

The trick is, you need to be in the batmobile.

Then make sure Batman skips the roads and goes rocket-boat style through upper New York Bay.

When you almost to brooklyn, turn on the rocket thrusters and get to about an altitude of 1200 feet.

From there you should be able to parachute right in on Jean and the fellas.

So let this be a lesson: Don't claim to know what you don't know. Got it, Jude?

Wow, that might be the funniest thing I've read all week.

juggler314
12-05-2007, 09:39 AM
Yeah, you're right. What do I know? I only live here.

You *can* get around quickly in manhattan if you are lucky, but you can't predict traffic at rush hour. Two days ago I managed to drive from 38th street and 6th avenue to my garage near west 4th and 6th in only 6 minutes without hitting a single red light. Now would i tell people it only takes 6 minutes, by car, at 5:30pm to make that trip, not likely. I would tell people to budget *at least* 20 minutes for it. (note I also drive like a madman...so I definitely don't give out *my* drive times as suggested drive times)

The subways move well over 12mph between stations. But when you add in a full minute at every station to stop, especially on a local, the average speed is probably under 12mph...consider it takes me about 10 minutes to get to work on the subway if i catch the F or V (local) from 4th street to 42nd street - that's only 4 stops and less than 2 miles that makes for an average speed of about 12mph!

A great subway travel reference is HopStop (http://www.hopstop.com/). HopStop says that from Times Square to Hall of Fame billiards would be about 47 minutes - that assumes you are already at the subway station and don't have to walk to the starting subway stop. The time could be longer or shorter depending on where you start in manhattan, if you start somewhere very unfavorable for getting to queens it could be much longer. If you start right on the edge of manhattan it could be shorter...

Also telling someone who you don't know to take a cab from Manhattan to far away queens is not very nice, that could be a $30 cab ride!

av84fun
12-05-2007, 09:59 AM
Yeah, you're right. What do I know? I only live here.

Well, excuse me Jude but checking your profile, I see that you are in your mid 30s which means that have been traveling to N.Y. with great frequency since before you were born.

My brother lived in N.Y.

My newphew lives in N.Y.

I have clients in N.Y.

So, I STILL travel there frequently.

But most importantly, I just did a MapQuest from 119 W. 54th, which for the uninitiated, is mid town Manhattan and found that my distance estimate of "exactly 12 miles" was indeed wrong.

In fact, it's 11.88 miles door to door. Please forgive me for that.

In addition, since you live in Manhattan, you should know that the Bronx is up and the Battery is down. Brooklyn lies on the other end of the Battery tunnel so your statement that it would take an hour to travel 6.69 miles which is the distance from the N.Y. Stock Exchange to Hall of Fame in the subway is just silly.

I see that you mention Amsterdam in your avatar and may have have all kinds of reasons to recommend it...as you well should because it's a great place. But that doesn't mean that you should give misinformation to a visiter which you obviously did.

So, let's all argue about this for a while. If you want to suggest that it takes an hour to travel 7 miles on the subway in typical conditions...then fine, knock your socks off.

And BTW, I DID cab it from Mid-Town to Hall of Fame a few months ago and it DID take 25-30 minutes. When was the last time YOU went there in a cab?

av84fun
12-05-2007, 10:24 AM
A great subway travel reference is HopStop (http://www.hopstop.com/). HopStop says that from Times Square to Hall of Fame billiards would be about 47 minutes - that assumes you are already at the subway station and don't have to walk to the starting subway stop. The time could be longer or shorter depending on where you start in manhattan, if you start somewhere very unfavorable for getting to queens it could be much longer. If you start right on the edge of manhattan it could be shorter...

OK, so start from your apartment...walk to your parking garage...wait for the elevator...exit the elevator and walk to your car....allow a few minutes to find it if you were drunk the night before...etc. (-:

Also telling someone who you don't know to take a cab from Manhattan to far away queens is not very nice, that could be a $30 cab ride!

I DIDN'T TELL HIM TO TAKE A CAB!!!!!!!! I TOLD HIM I TOOK A CAB!!
SHEEEESH!

And , Hall of Fame is in BROOKLYN NOT QUEENS...unless they merged recently to create the massive borough of Queenbrook! (-:

Finally, SO WHAT if it takes an hour to visit a pool hall owned and frequented by one of the greatest players of all time?????

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 10:31 AM
Well, excuse me Jude but checking your profile, I see that you are in your mid 30s which means that have been traveling to N.Y. with great frequency since before you were born.

My brother lived in N.Y.

My newphew lives in N.Y.

I have clients in N.Y.

So, I STILL travel there frequently.

But most importantly, I just did a MapQuest from 119 W. 54th, which for the uninitiated, is mid town Manhattan and found that my distance estimate of "exactly 12 miles" was indeed wrong.

In fact, it's 11.88 miles door to door. Please forgive me for that.

In addition, since you live in Manhattan, you should know that the Bronx is up and the Battery is down. Brooklyn lies on the other end of the Battery tunnel so your statement that it would take an hour to travel 6.69 miles which is the distance from the N.Y. Stock Exchange to Hall of Fame in the subway is just silly.

I see that you mention Amsterdam in your avatar and may have have all kinds of reasons to recommend it...as you well should because it's a great place. But that doesn't mean that you should give misinformation to a visiter which you obviously did.

So, let's all argue about this for a while. If you want to suggest that it takes an hour to travel 7 miles on the subway in typical conditions...then fine, knock your socks off.

And BTW, I DID cab it from Mid-Town to Hall of Fame a few months ago and it DID take 25-30 minutes. When was the last time YOU went there in a cab?


I'm not here to argue. I'm just saying you're telling someone who does the Manhattan/Brooklyn commute everyday how long it takes. I mean, I know the times because I do it twice a day. Have a nice day, sir.

crater59
12-05-2007, 10:33 AM
I have lived in Brooklyn for 23 yrs. I would go to Amsterdam before I went to Bay Ridge simply because of the travel time. By the way, New Yorkers don't measure distance in the city by "miles", we measure it by
stops, blocks or avenues. Sure, you may be physically 6 miles away from your destination but on the train (or "tube" as you call it), that is 120 blocks meaning 12 stops. Not counting station delays you could be spending 40 minutes underground. You should'nt get smart alecky with Jude about getting around the city and you should'nt give a visitor travelling tips in a city you're not that familiar with. You made it to Bay Ridge in good time on an easy day. Try it during the middle of the week, from Central Park West, in the middle of Holiday shopping season, and when you get there 2-1/2 hrs. later you can get on line for another hour waiting for a table.

juggler314
12-05-2007, 10:33 AM
OK, so start from your apartment...walk to your parking garage...wait for the elevator...exit the elevator and walk to your car....allow a few minutes to find it if you were drunk the night before...etc. (-:



I DIDN'T TELL HIM TO TAKE A CAB!!!!!!!! I TOLD HIM I TOOK A CAB!!
SHEEEESH!

And , Hall of Fame is in BROOKLYN NOT QUEENS...unless they merged recently to create the massive borough of Queenbrook! (-:

Finally, SO WHAT if it takes an hour to visit a pool hall owned and frequented by one of the greatest players of all time?????

oops sorry - typo I knew it was in brooklyn - had to look up the address to get the directions obviously:)

juggler314
12-05-2007, 10:41 AM
OK, so start from your apartment...walk to your parking garage...wait for the elevator...exit the elevator and walk to your car....allow a few minutes to find it if you were drunk the night before...etc. (-:



I DIDN'T TELL HIM TO TAKE A CAB!!!!!!!! I TOLD HIM I TOOK A CAB!!
SHEEEESH!

And , Hall of Fame is in BROOKLYN NOT QUEENS...unless they merged recently to create the massive borough of Queenbrook! (-:

Finally, SO WHAT if it takes an hour to visit a pool hall owned and frequented by one of the greatest players of all time?????

I so wish i had an elevator...5 floor walk up! On the plus side my heart is probably in slightly better than average shape for it...

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 10:58 AM
You *can* get around quickly in manhattan if you are lucky, but you can't predict traffic at rush hour. Two days ago I managed to drive from 38th street and 6th avenue to my garage near west 4th and 6th in only 6 minutes without hitting a single red light. Now would i tell people it only takes 6 minutes, by car, at 5:30pm to make that trip, not likely. I would tell people to budget *at least* 20 minutes for it. (note I also drive like a madman...so I definitely don't give out *my* drive times as suggested drive times)

The subways move well over 12mph between stations. But when you add in a full minute at every station to stop, especially on a local, the average speed is probably under 12mph...consider it takes me about 10 minutes to get to work on the subway if i catch the F or V (local) from 4th street to 42nd street - that's only 4 stops and less than 2 miles that makes for an average speed of about 12mph!

A great subway travel reference is HopStop (http://www.hopstop.com/). HopStop says that from Times Square to Hall of Fame billiards would be about 47 minutes - that assumes you are already at the subway station and don't have to walk to the starting subway stop. The time could be longer or shorter depending on where you start in manhattan, if you start somewhere very unfavorable for getting to queens it could be much longer. If you start right on the edge of manhattan it could be shorter...

Also telling someone who you don't know to take a cab from Manhattan to far away queens is not very nice, that could be a $30 cab ride!


Wow, I just typed my commute into hopstop. I average about 45 minutes door to door. Its estimate was 44 minutes. Total travel is 4.86 miles which means I'm traveling about 6 miles/hour.

juggler314
12-05-2007, 11:26 AM
Wow, I just typed my commute into hopstop. I average about 45 minutes door to door. Its estimate was 44 minutes. Total travel is 4.86 miles which means I'm traveling about 6 miles/hour.

Yeah it's pretty damn spot on, of course being a native NYer I had never heard of it and had to get it passed on to me by my upstate born girlfriend.

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 11:33 AM
Related question: are there any weekly 9-ball tournaments you would recommend?


Wow, with all the silly-talk, I completely ignored this question! There are a few weekly tournaments at Masters in Long Island City, Queens. It's very easy to get to, only a block from the 7-train.

I am certain of a Wednesday night weekly (I believe 8pm, though you should call to check) and a Sunday weekly (I believe noon, 10-ball). Both are scratch tournaments (no handicap). Skyline has a Tuesday tournament, handicapped. HOF used to have a Thursday tournament though that was years ago.

ineedaspot
12-05-2007, 12:17 PM
Wow, with all the silly-talk, I completely ignored this question! There are a few weekly tournaments ...


Thanks very much for the tourney info.

The silly-talk was pretty entertaining too...

raemondo
12-05-2007, 12:29 PM
Hey guys,

I would be in Manhatten for the next 2 months or so for a business trip. Currently residing near the Time Warner Center next to Central Park.

Just wondering if there are any nice pool halls nearby that you guys would recommend me to visit?

Thanks!

Benny


Hey Benny,

The couple of times I've been in Manhattan I've not been disappointed with Amsterdam Billiards. The place is just gorgeous and there is a ton of talent there. Watch out for the players in the velvet ropes, you might see a familiar face or two. If you ever head out west to Chicago, let me know. 2 months --- sounds like you're in NY for training?

Roppongi
12-05-2007, 12:48 PM
Hey Benny,

The couple of times I've been in Manhattan I've not been disappointed with Amsterdam Billiards. The place is just gorgeous and there is a ton of talent there. Watch out for the players in the velvet ropes, you might see a familiar face or two. If you ever head out west to Chicago, let me know. 2 months --- sounds like you're in NY for training?

Hey Rae,

Yup, I'm here for business training. Kinda regretted not bringing my cues along.

Sure thing man, I would love to travel to Chicago if I had the time. :D

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 12:52 PM
Hey Rae,

Yup, I'm here for business training. Kinda regretted not bringing my cues along.

Sure thing man, I would love to travel to Chicago if I had the time. :D


There is actually a hotel right around you called The Hudson Hotel. It's on 58th Street between 8th and 9th avenues (right across from Time Warner Building). The entrance is a little inconspicuous (just a glass door immediately followed by an escalator) but it's very very nice. Anyway, there is a bar there called The Library (http://www.hudsonhotel.com/hudson_hotel_library.asp). They have a 9 foot table you can play on for free so long as you're drinking. It's not a poolroom by any stretch but it sure is a nice way to get a quick game in and have a drink.

cheemagun
12-05-2007, 01:28 PM
HUH??? Maybe during rush hour and a taxi strike. It's about exactly 12 miles and the last time I went to visit Jean, it took MAYBE 30 minutes in a cab (not rush hour) so I would assume it would have to be that time or less on the subway...although I don't ride the subway so I can't testify from personal experience.

But the tube HAS to average a LOT more that 12 mph, right?

And "anywhere in Manhattan?" From downtown you jump on the WSH, take the Battery Tunnel and you're practically there. 5-6 miles TOPS. 15 minutes in the subway.

But aside from travel time issues, Amsterdam is a SUPER place. Thorsten, Tony Robles and a bunch more top players hang there. An upscale classic.

Hall of Fame is and old fashioned, neighborhood pool hall. Clean and friendly but there is no brass or mahogany in the joint! (-:

Regards,
Jim

I live around the corner from HOFB.

i work in downtown manhattan. iver worked in midtown manhattan. ive worked in jersey city. i cut my hair from astor place for years which is around the corner from amsterdam.

to take the train from jersey city it will take an hour door to door .. the first stop on the path.
to take the train from midtown i catch the express trains. it takes an hour door to door.
to take the train from astor place. it takes an 50 minutes on a good day door to door.
to take the train from downtown city hall it takes 50 minutes

rush or no rush hour. it doesnt matter.

rush hour more trains. none rush less trains.

some times i drive to astor place. normal traffic it will take me 30-35 minutes.
and i get thru nyc in a car much better than any cabbie could. i used to drive a truck thru the city better than a cabbie could.
with NO traffic at all i can get to astor place from my house in 10-15 minutes.

and for your info.. hofb has some horrible and old playing equipment. good spacing is the only thing. and its around the corner of my house

av84fun
12-05-2007, 01:37 PM
I'm not here to argue. I'm just saying you're telling someone who does the Manhattan/Brooklyn commute everyday how long it takes. I mean, I know the times because I do it twice a day. Have a nice day, sir.

I don't want to argue either. Just trying to provide what I thougt was a good suggestion.

But the issues is how long it would take the poster to get to the two places...FROM WHERE EVER HE WOULD BE STARTING FROM.

So, the question turns on the DIFFERENCE in travel time from the starting point.

Unless he will be staying within walking distance of Amsterdam, he will have to take public transportation and therefore face the exact same transportation issues getting to either location wouldn't you agree?

And besides, Jude, Union Sq. is WAY downtown so if he would be traveling from mid or uptown he has a "trek" anyway based on the exact same travel issues you point out.

So, with all due respect, it is NO BIG DEAL to get from Union Square to Hall of Fame sir. One does not have to live in New York to FULLY understand travel issues in N.Y. after having DONE SO for oh...about 40 years. BUT, I DO live west of the Hudson and most New Yorkers think such people can't find their way to their own bathrooms...

But even us folks...if we travel from A to B a few hundred times eventually acquire just about the same knowledge about travel times as those who live locally. It's HARD...but WE CAN DO IT!!!!

(-:

Mostly kidding around.

Regards,
Jim

9 ball
12-05-2007, 02:02 PM
Could someone post some pics of the inside of amsterdam billiards as the website dosen't seem to have a lot.

Any help is appreciated.

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 02:25 PM
Could someone post some pics of the inside of amsterdam billiards as the website dosen't seem to have a lot.

Any help is appreciated.


A GREAT site to go to would be www.williamfuentes.com

Just click on any of the months in the upper left corner.

Although many of the pics you see there are mixed in with Broadway Billiards and many APA bars.

GG11
12-05-2007, 02:27 PM
Unless he will be staying within walking distance of Amsterdam, he will have to take public transportation and therefore face the exact same transportation issues getting to either location wouldn't you agree?

And besides, Jude, Union Sq. is WAY downtown so if he would be traveling from mid or uptown he has a "trek" anyway based on the exact same travel issues you point out.



Um, actually, no he wouldn't face the same issues, as ABC is MUCH MUCH easier to get to. It's VERY easy to commute to Union Square using public transportation as it has MANY of the subway stops in it's general vicinity. And a taxi ride to ABC is MUCH cheaper than to anywhere in Brooklyn!

HOFB would be a MUCH MUCH different scenario as it's much more out of the way from the Time Warner building. Miles are something a New Yorker doesn't consider. It's subway stops and Express train options!!! :D

From your location, taking the 1-9 downtown to 42nd then transferring to the NRW is probably the quickest way down there and shouldn't take you longer than 30 mins.

In a nutshell, if you're staying in Manhattan, there's no easier place to get to than ABC. If you want to venture out, plan some time for traveling.

crater59
12-05-2007, 02:49 PM
And besides, Jude, Union Sq. is WAY downtown so if he would be traveling from mid or uptown he has a "trek" anyway based on the exact same travel issues you point out.

Anyone who thinks Union Sq. is "way downtown" should not be telling visitors how to get around.

Jude Rosenstock
12-05-2007, 02:59 PM
Anyone who thinks Union Sq. is "way downtown" should not be telling visitors how to get around.


Hey guys,

It's not worth jumping on av84fun. He's only trying to be helpful. In fact, as New Yorkers, we should be flattered that he takes great pride in his knowledge of our city.

av84fun
12-05-2007, 03:08 PM
I live around the corner from HOFB.

i work in downtown manhattan. iver worked in midtown manhattan. ive worked in jersey city. i cut my hair from astor place for years which is around the corner from amsterdam.


some times i drive to astor place. normal traffic it will take me 30-35 minutes. with NO traffic at all i can get to astor place from my house in 10-15 minutes.


THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I SAID. I've only been there by cab.

and for your info.. hofb has some horrible and old playing equipment. good spacing is the only thing. and its around the corner of my house

Wow, I'm sad to hear that they got rid of the 20+ 15 year old Gold Crown IIs that I played on a few months ago. The other IIs are around 40 years old but I wasn't aware that Brunswick made "horrible" tables back then.

And it is a shame that one of the great pool players of all time would have horrible tables in her place. But I didn't hear any complaints from Allison Fisher, Gerda Hofstatter or Tony Robles about the tables that day.

But hey, to each his own.
(-:

td873
12-05-2007, 03:29 PM
From my office, I used to take the 101 (or maybe it was the 102) right to the corner of 11th and 3rd. It's 30 seconds from there. And it's not many stops from mid-town, you just have to be on Lex.

Oh, and the bus crowd is *different* from the subway crowd, doh!

-td

av84fun
12-05-2007, 03:33 PM
Anyone who thinks Union Sq. is "way downtown" should not be telling visitors how to get around.

OMG!!!

Another poster used the Time Warner Bldg as a mid-town reference so lets go with that.

Unless they moved it, it is around Columbus Circle.

Unless they moved Columbus Circle, it is right around 59th St.

Unless they moved Union Sq. it is right around 14th St.

Unless base 10 math has changed, if you subtract 15 from 59 you get 45.

So partner, you walk or pay a cabbie to drive you forty five blocks from Columbus Circle to Union Sq. and report back whether you think it is way downtown.

ROFLMAO
(-:

td873
12-05-2007, 04:03 PM
OMG!!!

Another poster used the Time Warner Bldg as a mid-town reference so lets go with that.
I don't have a horse in this race, but since I lived in NY for a while. Here's my $0.02. IMO, Grand Central is a more typical mid-town reference than Time Warner. I always put Columbus circle on the cusp of upper-west and mid-town. When you hit the bottom of Central park, your getting into the upper sides. In fact, Columbus circle is just a brief walk to where Amsterdam used to be ;)

When I was there, we used to refer to downtown as lower manhattan. If you went below midtown, you went by area: Chelsea/Grammercy (which is actually in midtown), then the Village, then lower east/west, and then downtown/financial district. If you went downtown, you were WAY below 14th. For the visiting folks, I'm sure dividing Manhattan into 3 areas (upper/mid/down) is probably good enough. But if you live there, you need a little more info to get around.

The cool part is that my wife used to live in Murrah Hill, which was nice when I went to Corner. Oh the good ol' days...

-td

crater59
12-05-2007, 04:42 PM
"downtown" is what the yahoos from Jersey look for when they get out of the Holland Tunnel.

*no disrespect intended to the good folks of Jersey. Just meaning the rubes that come in to get wasted on the weekends.

lodini
12-05-2007, 05:13 PM
Sigh... I'm getting nostaligic listening (reading) to all this! When I lived there, I always used to get confused at "downtown" being a neighborhood or a direction. (As in "Let's head downtown towards Amsterdam Billiards" or "That place is in Downtown") Is it possible that the expression used was referring to the fact that Amsterdam Billiards is downtown from mid-town, but not necessarily that it is downtown?

(HAHA! Let's see who understood THAT!) LOL

:-)

cheemagun
12-05-2007, 05:25 PM
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I SAID. I've only been there by cab.

you also said that the subway would be quicker.......... :rolleyes:



Wow, I'm sad to hear that they got rid of the 20+ 15 year old Gold Crown IIs that I played on a few months ago. The other IIs are around 40 years old but I wasn't aware that Brunswick made "horrible" tables back then.

And it is a shame that one of the great pool players of all time would have horrible tables in her place. But I didn't hear any complaints from Allison Fisher, Gerda Hofstatter or Tony Robles about the tables that day.

But hey, to each his own.
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my guess is you dont know what good table conditions are.. but then again to each his own.. or maybe its just your standard is lower. all the locals feel the same way i feel so.. it cant be just me.


and just because brunswick made the good tables then and now doesnt mean that the table stays in mint condition does it ? if you dont take care of them they turn to shit.. understand?

and just because gerda allison and tony played and didnt complain about the tables makes it good equipment ? so let me guess.. you play with a cuetec and love it because earl used to endorse it right ?

i love ignorant posters.

av84fun
12-06-2007, 01:27 AM
Hi TD. I understand where you are coming from but I am sure you will agree that there are TWO equally valid usages for the word "downtown"

One, is to denote a specific PLACE which is what you did. Another is to denote a DIRECTION as in...if the street numbers are getting higher you are gowing uptown and vice versa.

I even used the old song lyric "The Bronx is UP and the Battery's DOWN."

Certainly, no one would argue that you have to go all the way to the Bronx to get uptown or all the way to the Battery go get downtown.

And the following is not meant for you...just certain others....

HEY, I ONLY SUGGESTED THAT THE GUY CHECK OUT THE BLOODY JOINT. GIMME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!

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av84fun
12-06-2007, 01:30 AM
Sigh... I'm getting nostaligic listening (reading) to all this! When I lived there, I always used to get confused at "downtown" being a neighborhood or a direction. (As in "Let's head downtown towards Amsterdam Billiards" or "That place is in Downtown") Is it possible that the expression used was referring to the fact that Amsterdam Billiards is downtown from mid-town, but not necessarily that it is downtown?

(HAHA! Let's see who understood THAT!) LOL

:-)

I DID! (see my post on the same matter). But if dudes what to jump on you they will jump on you.
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av84fun
12-06-2007, 01:48 AM
you also said that the subway would be quicker.......... :rolleyes:]/QUOTE]

And you drew that conclusion for THIS statement of mine????

"so I would assume it would have to be that time or less on the subway...although I don't ride the subway so I can't testify from personal experience."

ROFLMFAO


[QUOTE] my guess is you dont know what good table conditions are.. but then again to each his own.. or maybe its just your standard is lower. all the locals feel the same way i feel so.. it cant be just me.

Well, we now know that your reading skills suck so your guessing skills are suspect to. I've been playing pool for 40 years Bubba and have played with more world champions in the last 6 months than you've probably played with in your whole life. And post a PDF file of a petition signed by ALL THE LOCALS. Not just SOME of the locals or MOST of the locals...but ALL of the locals. But you CAN exclude those who can't read any better than you can because they wouldn't understand the question on the petition.


and just because brunswick made the good tables then and now doesnt mean that the table stays in mint condition does it ? if you dont take care of them they turn to shit.. understand?

Oh I understand where the s..t is pal. It's between your ears.

and just because gerda allison and tony played and didnt complain about the tables makes it good equipment ? so let me guess.. you play with a cuetec and love it because earl used to endorse it right ?


Ignorant? At least I can READ. And what't the matter with cuetec cues?

Allsion has won more tournaments with one than all the other WPBA pros COMBINED.

It ain't the wand pea brain...it's the magician.

BTW, do you have a wand??? Just curious.

And you owe Jean Balukas an apology you moron.

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Roppongi
12-06-2007, 07:37 AM
hey guys,

Chill, shall we? It was just a passing question...I wouldn't want to see so many people get upset over it. Let's not argue over a game that we all love :)

Thanks for all the comments and responses. Really appreciate them.

And yup, I'll def do a search before posting these type of questions again. Apologies for that.

Cheers,
Benny

av84fun
12-06-2007, 02:41 PM
hey guys,

Chill, shall we? It was just a passing question...I wouldn't want to see so many people get upset over it. Let's not argue over a game that we all love :)

Thanks for all the comments and responses. Really appreciate them.

And yup, I'll def do a search before posting these type of questions again. Apologies for that.

Cheers,
Benny

No need to apologize for not doing a search. things change over time so some of the archived comments might no longer be true.

Regards,
Jim