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Cuebacca
01-09-2008, 11:49 AM
I decided to start a thread with hopefully a more positive tone. I can't see many people being guilt-tripped into spending money, but perhaps some can be. I don't know.

So for anyone who has positive feedback or ideas on how to get people to support TAR, here's your chance to do so.

I'll start. I watched some of the free stream, and didn't buy the women's PPV, so I guess I qualify as one of the 950 "cheap bastards" whose "mama wouldn't give him 10 bucks" for TAR. :rolleyes: LOL.

Personally, I was busy last night, among other things, playing pool. Imagine that. LOL. I did watch some of the free stuff on previous nights, but due to working an 8-5 job, I could only watch a very small fraction of it. That said, I did watch longer than I meant to, which brings me to my first idea....

Does the streaming company support some kind of a preview? I think that if viewers could log in for free for say, the first 15 minutes, they might get hooked and decide to shell out the cash when they get cut off. Or, perhaps the first 5 minutes of every hour. This functionality may not be possible, but if it is, I think it would help. Give them a taste, and they'll want to keep eating. Even if the pay stream site doesn't support this, maybe there's a way to air a few minutes on BOTH sites (free and paid) at the beginning, and then yank the free one when they want the preview to end.

Next idea: during the PPV, put up some kind of message on the free stream site to point people over to the PPV. If it's possible for the chatroom mods to make an automated chat message? If "theactionreport" screen name could automatically post a message, say, every 60 seconds, that could be a nice ad to help bring people out of the free chat and into the PPV stream. Something like, "We hope you're enjoying the streaming. Please support TAR by joining us for this first of it's kind Women's All Around <etc>". For all I know, some of those people may not have even realized that there was a PPV going on.

Third idea: Tell the commentators to hype the PPV's during the free streams, including the day and time that it will be aired. Maybe they did this, I don't know, but during the short times that I watched, I can't remember hearing anything about the PPV's. I think this was especially important since the match got postponed from it's original time.

Those are all my ideas for now. OK, not Earth shattering ideas, but maybe they could help a little.

I've bought TAR PPV's in the past, and I will in the future. The SVB/Hopkins Last Pocket 8-Ball tonight at 8pm EST sounds very enticing.

One last thing, I just want to say that TAR is doing a hell of a job, and I do agree that we should support them. Let's face it though, only so many people are going to donate based on they got for free. So, let's continue to help promote TAR so that people will BUY their product! :)

Thanks, Action Report. Keep up the good work!

EDIT: Edited to correct the starting time of tonight's 8-ball PPV (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=85172).

ioCross
01-09-2008, 11:51 AM
I just wasn't that interested in the women's match.

altho 10 bucks is very very cheap for something like that.

as long as the dulton/chohan match is going to be under 20 for the whole stream i will no doubt buy it.

LILJOHN30
01-09-2008, 12:18 PM
I wasn't interested in the womans match either,if I want to watch womens pool I'll put on espn since that is all the tv shows.I also had a hard time finding the link on the web page,and getting it two work.I want to watch the men and will be ordering one of the events.I was also a little worried about the stream because of the problems they were having ,I would take a gamble with the mens but not the womens.I would also like to thank the tar staff for airing the action and keep up the good work.:)

Alex Kanapilly
01-09-2008, 12:59 PM
I decided to start a thread with hopefully a more positive tone. I can't see many people being guilt-tripped into spending money, but perhaps some can be. I don't know.

So for anyone who has positive feedback or ideas on how to get people to support TAR, here's your chance to do so.

I'll start. I watched some of the free stream, and didn't buy the women's PPV, so I guess I qualify as one of the 950 "cheap bastards" whose "mama wouldn't give him 10 bucks" for TAR. :rolleyes: LOL.

Personally, I was busy last night, among other things, playing pool. Imagine that. LOL. I did watch some of the free stuff on previous nights, but due to working an 8-5 job, I could only watch a very small fraction of it. That said, I did watch longer than I meant to, which brings me to my first idea....

Does the streaming company support some kind of a preview? I think that if viewers could log in for free for say, the first 15 minutes, they might get hooked and decide to shell out the cash when they get cut off. Or, perhaps the first 5 minutes of every hour. This functionality may not be possible, but if it is, I think it would help. Give them a taste, and they'll want to keep eating. Even if the pay stream site doesn't support this, maybe there's a way to air a few minutes on BOTH sites (free and paid) at the beginning, and then yank the free one when they want the preview to end.

Next idea: during the PPV, put up some kind of message on the free stream site to point people over to the PPV. If it's possible for the chatroom mods to make an automated chat message? If "theactionreport" screen name could automatically post a message, say, every 60 seconds, that could be a nice ad to help bring people out of the free chat and into the PPV stream. Something like, "We hope you're enjoying the streaming. Please support TAR by joining us for this first of it's kind Women's All Around <etc>". For all I know, some of those people may not have even realized that there was a PPV going on.

Third idea: Tell the commentators to hype the PPV's during the free streams, including the day and time that it will be aired. Maybe they did this, I don't know, but during the short times that I watched, I can't remember hearing anything about the PPV's. I think this was especially important since the match got postponed from it's original time.

Those are all my ideas for now. OK, not Earth shattering ideas, but maybe they could help a little.

I've bought TAR PPV's in the past, and I will in the future. The SVB/Hopkins Last Pocket 8-Ball tonight at 7pm EST sounds very enticing.

One last thing, I just want to say that TAR is doing a hell of a job, and I do agree that we should support them. Let's face it though, only so many people are going to donate based on they got for free. So, let's continue to help promote TAR so that people will BUY their product! :)

Thanks, Action Report. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the positive thread. I have been watching lots of the free feed and I paid for the women's match (twice on accident but that's ok), mainly to support these guys and what they are trying to do. BTW, this is the first one I've bought (so I can't beat my drum too loud) but it won't be the last.

What about a two tier system? I don't know about the logistics or how technically feasible it is but, what about offering a "small screen only" free feed and a pay feed that's say, $1 or $2 an hour or so for a larger high quaility feed? I'd pay for that.

Either way, I'm hooked. I will pay to watch if that's what it takes, I just hope it's still available going forward.

Dustin_J
01-09-2008, 01:14 PM
I've watched all of the other TAR stuff (free and PPV), and a bunch of the free coverage this week, but I was also one of the "nits" last night as I too had other obligations and wasn't all that interested in watching the remaining part of the 10-ball set when I got home. However, I don't feel like too big of a nit considering that I'm definitely in for the SVB/Hopkins match tonight and the Chohan/Daulton match. I think the folks at TAR have done an awesome job with all of this and that the match-ups are what are really going to draw the people in. Sometimes people just aren't interested in certain matchups, and I think that was the case last night. I'm stoked about SVB/Hopkins and Chohan Daulton, that's for sure...and I hope a lot of others are as well.

cheesemouse
01-09-2008, 01:30 PM
I'm sure TAR is learning from each event. If the situation presents itself that the labors won't float the boat they will have to fold the tent( I don't think either Jason/Chad are independently wealthy). I don't hear them whinning yet so perhaps it is worth the efforts; I don't know. I know it would be a shame if I couldn't enjoy this side of the game here at home on my puter. Mainstream media is never going to fill the bill. I don't think there is any debate about that subject. Being a niche sport we are the niche audience with our niche money. The TAR baby's are providing us a little cubbyhole where we can peak in and get our pool fix. A fix in our next to nothing sport has got have some value. I pay $50 buck a month for my cable tv and since this Derby live stream has started I don't think I have watched two hours. Now if I could somehow get a pro-rated cable tv connection based on the hours I use it the $10 I spent to watch the 'girls' play would be a push.

I don't throw my money away and I don't allow people to shame me into anything. If I don't like the game I don't play, pretty simple stuff. For now I am willing to play this game. I hope I don't wake up some morning and find the shutters closed and the going out of business signs up. I'll do my part by buying TAR's product when I can use it because it is the only place I can get the fix, get the good stuff uncut. If they improve the product I suspect the price will too. It's the American way:)

TAR's job is to find a way to make it pay by identifying those willing to float the boat and cater to us. Those unwilling to pay in some fashion will be relegated back to begging for updates on this forum consigning themselves to the whims of those few benevolent souls giving it up on the forum. Personally, I like it live, real, and unfilter just like I'm there wolfing my a$$ off...:)

CocoboloCowboy
01-09-2008, 01:37 PM
Nothing would entice me to spend money on a TAR (The Action Report) stream. I am on slow dial up. http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/rant.gif

q stick
01-09-2008, 01:44 PM
how much am i paying i just watch what there showing

yobagua
01-09-2008, 02:19 PM
I think that whatever TAR is doing they are worth much much more than the few dollars they are charging us. THink if there was no TAR. Everyone would be starving for info at the Derby. They not only give us information about the facts but give you the subjective views of the pros and gamblers that have been on the inside of the game. Where else can you get that? You wont get that on commercial tv. They wont talk about gambling. They wont talk about a Bobby Pickle, a Sparky Ferrel, or a CLiff Joyner. Please think about what you are getting.
A few dollars goes a long way here.

TheBook
01-09-2008, 02:37 PM
I have watched it a few times but lost my interest because the picture kept freezing or locking up and when I did have it was dark, fuzzy, and jerky. The sound was also very bad. The announcers were either drowned out or they seemed to be in a echo chamber that sounded like a old reverb unit. I can't justify paying for something that bad.

bagofpaper
01-09-2008, 02:46 PM
I posted this in the guilt trip thread but I'll post here as well. I was thinking TAR could stream live over PPV but charge by the day something cheap around $5-$7. If they can reel in half of the viewers on the free feed that would still be a nice chunk of change for the day.

I think it's absolutely amazing what they are doing out there.. keep it up guys I can't wait to bring you some beers on Friday.

SpiderWebComm
01-09-2008, 03:18 PM
I decided to start a thread with hopefully a more positive tone. I can't see many people being guilt-tripped into spending money, but perhaps some can be. I don't know.

So for anyone who has positive feedback or ideas on how to get people to support TAR, here's your chance to do so.

I'll start. I watched some of the free stream, and didn't buy the women's PPV, so I guess I qualify as one of the 950 "cheap bastards" whose "mama wouldn't give him 10 bucks" for TAR. :rolleyes: LOL.

Personally, I was busy last night, among other things, playing pool. Imagine that. LOL. I did watch some of the free stuff on previous nights, but due to working an 8-5 job, I could only watch a very small fraction of it. That said, I did watch longer than I meant to, which brings me to my first idea....

Does the streaming company support some kind of a preview? I think that if viewers could log in for free for say, the first 15 minutes, they might get hooked and decide to shell out the cash when they get cut off. Or, perhaps the first 5 minutes of every hour. This functionality may not be possible, but if it is, I think it would help. Give them a taste, and they'll want to keep eating. Even if the pay stream site doesn't support this, maybe there's a way to air a few minutes on BOTH sites (free and paid) at the beginning, and then yank the free one when they want the preview to end.

Next idea: during the PPV, put up some kind of message on the free stream site to point people over to the PPV. If it's possible for the chatroom mods to make an automated chat message? If "theactionreport" screen name could automatically post a message, say, every 60 seconds, that could be a nice ad to help bring people out of the free chat and into the PPV stream. Something like, "We hope you're enjoying the streaming. Please support TAR by joining us for this first of it's kind Women's All Around <etc>". For all I know, some of those people may not have even realized that there was a PPV going on.

Third idea: Tell the commentators to hype the PPV's during the free streams, including the day and time that it will be aired. Maybe they did this, I don't know, but during the short times that I watched, I can't remember hearing anything about the PPV's. I think this was especially important since the match got postponed from it's original time.

Those are all my ideas for now. OK, not Earth shattering ideas, but maybe they could help a little.

I've bought TAR PPV's in the past, and I will in the future. The SVB/Hopkins Last Pocket 8-Ball tonight at 7pm EST sounds very enticing.

One last thing, I just want to say that TAR is doing a hell of a job, and I do agree that we should support them. Let's face it though, only so many people are going to donate based on they got for free. So, let's continue to help promote TAR so that people will BUY their product! :)

Thanks, Action Report. Keep up the good work!

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to be negative last night - I'm not normally a negative person. I have a habit of speaking my mind. Sometimes it's positive, sometimes it's not. Regardless, I thought it had to be said... the way I said it. If I offended anyone - my sincere apologies, it's nothing personal. Love me or hate me, at least you guys know where I stand.

Spider

skiflyer
01-09-2008, 03:37 PM
1) A listing of all the upcoming events in one nice easy to read place. (Maybe this exists, post a link here if it does please!)

2) Tickets to the PPV... let me buy it right now when I see the listing, then just enter a code to watch it later. Seems silly, but lets me buy one for a friend or some such.

3) More professional attitude in the booth. Listening to a minute about how hot the waitress was was funny, listening to 10 minutes of drooling about what a nice rack she had was pretty pathetic... I would've much preferred, oh I dunno a score update.

4) Probably not realistic, but save the matches for later viewing at the same/reduced price.

5) Hourly rate, $10 for a 10 hour 7 ahead set is way too cheap. $10 for a 45 minute 7 ahead set is a ripoff. $10 for an hour or two while I'm falling asleep is right up my alley.

6) HAWK YOUR WARES! Lots of people here want it, get on AZ 20/30 minutes before a match and start a thread saying whoever and whoever are playing in 30 minutes, get in now!

7) Maybe they already do this in the PPVs I dunno, read the chatroom and respond often.

poolplayer2093
01-09-2008, 04:01 PM
i wanted to watch the last live match but i thought it had already started (i'm on the west coast) and i'm not sure where the match was taking place.


more Bet something shirts. i get a lot of questions about it at work

derk70
01-09-2008, 04:10 PM
They sounded like a minister begging for donations. I would be glad to pay what its worth to have drunk guys comment on waitresses with slurred speech

DrJ
01-09-2008, 04:18 PM
..........

bomber
01-09-2008, 04:38 PM
I agree that the commentating is pretty ridiculous. Just because someone can play doesnt mean they should be in the booth. I have done color commentary for high school sports for several years, on the radio and at the game sites of many well respected tournaments. I stopped by the chat room and told JCIN to let me in the booth....he just giggled. I would volunteer a few hours of my time to do this...but it wont happen.

Another thing that kind of put me off was when the TAR was in Louisville for the QLympics. I stopped by the room, introduced myself to the fellas, told them what a great job they were doing, blah blah blah. I asked one of them to save me a ticket for the match. I take a shower, get dressed, grab some cash, go over to the tournament to buy a ticket....oh sorry, sold out. Hmmm. Thanks a bunch.

JCIN
01-10-2008, 05:41 PM
I agree that the commentating is pretty ridiculous. Just because someone can play doesnt mean they should be in the booth. I have done color commentary for high school sports for several years, on the radio and at the game sites of many well respected tournaments. I stopped by the chat room and told JCIN to let me in the booth....he just giggled. I would volunteer a few hours of my time to do this...but it wont happen.

Another thing that kind of put me off was when the TAR was in Louisville for the QLympics. I stopped by the room, introduced myself to the fellas, told them what a great job they were doing, blah blah blah. I asked one of them to save me a ticket for the match. I take a shower, get dressed, grab some cash, go over to the tournament to buy a ticket....oh sorry, sold out. Hmmm. Thanks a bunch.
I am sorry you did not get the red carpet welcome you feel you deserved. We had a few things going on at the time

bomber
01-10-2008, 06:11 PM
I dont believe anyone asked for any kind of red carpet greeting...as a matter of fact...i could give a damn less what you think of me. I have real problems to worry about. I was just relaying what happened, which was off putting. The question that was posed was "What would entice you to buy the action report stream..." and I answered it. If the commentating was more profesional, I would watch it and if I had gotten my ticket like I was promised from your partner, I would buy all the things that you guys produce. It's just that simple. I was going out of my way to treat you fellas nicely. I welcomed you to my hometown. I congratulated you on your venture and wished you the best.

What you need to remember, JCIN, is that people like ME and the other fans out there who are buying the feeds. You have had several folks in this thread alone discuss the commentating...maybe you should think about it.

I would say that, due to your sarcastic and bitter reply to my message, I will not be buying your feed from the Shannon/Tony match, but it looks like we have another postponed match so I dont guess I will be worrying about that one. Perhaps the better response would have been, "Hey, sorry about that bomber. We had a lot of things going on over here and it must have slipped Big Nasty's mind." But you had to be hateful...so, you lost another viewer. Welcome to the business world, it ain't an easy world.

worriedbeef
01-10-2008, 06:27 PM
I would buy it if it was easier to use...I don't want to install a new version of Media Player etc...why can't it work just like the free version, embedded in a web page, so that once the free version was working, it was really easy to get the PPV version working....

this is nothing to do with the action report, it's just life. and computers.

at some point you installed and upgraded the latest macromedia flash on your computer otherwise the free streaming wouldn't work. all you need for the PPV is the latest version of windows media player.

DrJ
01-10-2008, 06:32 PM
..........

shag_fu
01-10-2008, 09:23 PM
I've bought the shane cory ppv, and the dvd from that match. the only problem I have is how long paypal takes to go through. It would def be an improvement if credit cards were taken as I dont keep money sitting in my paypal account all the time.

softshot
01-11-2008, 01:55 AM
Truthfully... If I am going to PAY money to watch a pool match... I want it on my 46 inch wide screen where I can sit on my couch, enjoy it and not guess as to what ball is what. because all the colors look the same...I very much enjoyed the SVB vs someone match I saw for free the other night.. but it was you tube quality video ,,,, it was live and I had a decent view and it was free... but to get me to pay for it... I want a HD stream or at least TV quality.. I want it big as life on my nice TV not a blurry square on my PC.

Thats where I draw the line between enjoying it for free, and paying to enjoy it.

I think the TAR guys are doing a great job and wish them the best...

but I am just being honest.

smokeandapancak
01-11-2008, 02:27 AM
ARCHIVED FOOTAGE !!!!!!


Due to my location I cant really catch events aas they happen in real time Stateside.... so the abilty to go back and watch event after the fact would be a big deal to a guy like me.

Also, I kinda liked the comentary piece on the free feed...cause well it was free !!! It might not have gone over so well if I paid for the stream and had to listen to whoever bag on another player for 30 mins...

9balllvr
01-11-2008, 02:31 AM
I am sorry you did not get the red carpet welcome you feel you deserved. We had a few things going on at the time

Hi. I have been one of the faithful viewers since last week and have enjoyed watching the matches and some of the commentary as well. The more knowledgable players really made me think about my own approach to my game - Shawn Putnam, Charlie Bryant, Scott Frost, and Tony Chohan. What a treat those guys were and kudos for you guys for pulling them into the booth. I have purchased at least one PPV from you guys in the past and had every intention of doing the same for the Chohan/Daulton match, but understandably, it did not happen. As far as what would make me pay $$$ - I would have paid money to watch many of the match-ups or even a weekly or daily rate - just an idea for future streaming, although free is great, but we all know it costs money to do even that.

The thing I do not like is your response above - I am disappointed at the defensiveness/arrogance - I know you can't make everyone happy, but this is a feedback thread that can help you make $$$ or correct issues that kept people from paying, etc. And, another note, although entertaining at times, some of the commentators that you guys threw in the booth were just ridiculous and made you look bad. I have to note that I realize you guys could not stay there non-stop and you had equipment to watch, but the mouths of some on the stream and the content discussed was a bit much to listen to.

Since the thread was about what would make the experience better, I added my two cents. Overall, I was one of the addicted individuals watching the stream and will continue to be throughout the event. I very much appreciate what you guys have done to show the action room, it has been GREAT (coming from someone that was stuck at home). I do encourage you to take the advice as just that and do with it what you will.

Best of luck and I for one look forward to future events.

Hal
01-11-2008, 03:10 AM
The Action Report never asked for a penny. That was me in the chat room. I was trying to get them paid for all the work they've done. Think about it. You've watched the action free 24 hours a day. That ought to be worth a couple of bucks.

Hal

SpiderWebComm
01-11-2008, 03:45 AM
I know I said a few random cuss words when I got up in the emotion. My apologies to everyone I offended. There's always the volume knob.

If "sh*t" offends you to the point where you can't take it, you should leave your basement once in a while and visit a real, live pool hall.

It's refreshing to see people critique a bunch of non-commentators like myself and the others who never did that before in their life. In the meantime, if the knockers were put in the box for 12 hours at a pop - one of two things would happen: 1) You'd freeze up and puke on yourself 2) You'd be as boring as the rest of us. Show up with your church show one time on the DCC TAR stream and see how many out of 1000 blast your testicles in.

yobagua
01-11-2008, 04:09 AM
Bomber get over it. You are not dealing with your high school class. So what you have some experience with your high school broadcasting. You are dealing with real adults who are trying to do real adult things. So you had to run up and take a shower and get ready well do things like normal people do pay for it up front. It is more than the red carpet treatment you are asking for. If I am a merchant I am not going to wait for you in the hopes that you will be around to pay the bills I am going to take the next customer.
The TAR has only been very professional with me. They have extended every effort to fulfill my needs. However I dont think the world revolves around me. The TAR people are on the verge of revolutionizing our sport. Think if there were a TAR in every region of our country and the world. We could get access to all kinds of billiard events where we could not get to. Billiards in Europe, pool in Asia, Gambling Jamborees, even specialty events like Balkline, Korean 4 ball billiards,trick shot events, etc.
We have been treated to free Shane Van Boening, Cliff Joyner, Grady Mathews, Justin Cone, Bobby Pickle, etc every nite free. The work that entails doing this for us is enormous. So JCIN responded in a personal manner. Do you know the pressure this young man is under. I say young because I remember when I was his age and if some of the ungrateful comments Ive heard came my way I would shut it down and go on and just make my own money my way and screw the ingrates.
Customers sometimes require the red carpet treatment but its those customers that support the product wholeheartedly. They have treated me and others well above beyond what is expected. Hell you are getting this FREE! Its like the bum complaining about the free soup line doing winter. And it is winter for us pool lovers, particularly us who love the gambling aspect.
As far as the commentators. Please these guys are doing their best. Some are just enjoying what they do. Some are involved in the technical aspects. You have your Howard Stern, your Dan Rather, your Frank Gifford, your Rush Limbaugh,etc, You dont like it turn the sound down.
All in all we got to give TAR thanks for all they are doing. And if you dont like it turn it off.

derekdisco
01-11-2008, 04:47 AM
Its tough to get good commentators on at 2 am or later. When I get on the mic, I figure its better than dead air. And if I'm not just turn the speakers down!!

smokeandapancak
01-11-2008, 04:48 AM
Bomber get over it. You are not dealing with your high school class. So what you have some experience with your high school broadcasting. You are dealing with real adults who are trying to do real adult things. So you had to run up and take a shower and get ready well do things like normal people do pay for it up front. It is more than the red carpet treatment you are asking for. If I am a merchant I am not going to wait for you in the hopes that you will be around to pay the bills I am going to take the next customer.
The TAR has only been very professional with me. They have extended every effort to fulfill my needs. However I dont think the world revolves around me. The TAR people are on the verge of revolutionizing our sport. Think if there were a TAR in every region of our country and the world. We could get access to all kinds of billiard events where we could not get to. Billiards in Europe, pool in Asia, Gambling Jamborees, even specialty events like Balkline, Korean 4 ball billiards,trick shot events, etc.
We have been treated to free Shane Van Boening, Cliff Joyner, Grady Mathews, Justin Cone, Bobby Pickle, etc every nite free. The work that entails doing this for us is enormous. So JCIN responded in a personal manner. Do you know the pressure this young man is under. I say young because I remember when I was his age and if some of the ungrateful comments Ive heard came my way I would shut it down and go on and just make my own money my way and screw the ingrates.
Customers sometimes require the red carpet treatment but its those customers that support the product wholeheartedly. They have treated me and others well above beyond what is expected. Hell you are getting this FREE! Its like the bum complaining about the free soup line doing winter. And it is winter for us pool lovers, particularly us who love the gambling aspect.
As far as the commentators. Please these guys are doing their best. Some are just enjoying what they do. Some are involved in the technical aspects. You have your Howard Stern, your Dan Rather, your Frank Gifford, your Rush Limbaugh,etc, You dont like it turn the sound down.
All in all we got to give TAR thanks for all they are doing. And if you dont like it turn it off.


The OP was just asking what could be done to make it better....
crticiscm is constructive ... even if it comes from an asshole... (not saying it did :D )...

BOmber told a story of his experince in dealing with the TAR guys...
Justin hit back kinda hard, justified or not, that isnt how you build youe base...selling to and providing service to the GP is a tough gig that forces you to eat shit quite often....just the way the game is.

Lastly, I highlighted your quote for a reason... it was quite evident that a number of folks didnt "like it", therefore didnt buy the PPV portion it, effectivley TURNING IT OFF. (not counting the cheep bastards that pool players can be ) Which brings back full circle to the point of the thread ....

How could this be made a better product, worthwhile of a purchase.

SpiderWebComm
01-11-2008, 10:29 AM
How could this be made a better product, worthwhile of a purchase.

I'll throw your same quote back at you. More than 50 out of 1000 people buy the PPV, the more money TAR gets, the easier it is to kick me and the others out of the booth and get a real commentator -- someone paid. It's a chicken or the egg thing at the beginning of everything. Sometimes you have to support stuff that isn't perfect to make it perfect in the long run. TAR doesn't need AZ posts to know how to improve their product (sorry for running through your bubble garden with a pin). They have visionary ideas with this streaming, they're just trying to cover expenses and flip the cash into product improvement. It is what it is because of the minimal revenue collected at this point - not because they don't know what to do.

Many people of here have really done a fine job supporting them. I was around when a few people donated cash, bought a few t-shirts and signed up for the PPV. For those who supported them with donations and purchases, you understand what I'm saying. Those who are logging in for free saying they'd never buy it because of this and that, well, have fun reading text messages on match updates in the future if it doesn't fly.

Like others love throwing around..... "IMO"

Blackjack
01-11-2008, 11:09 AM
I'll take a different angle to this, he realistic business end of it.

If I was a prospective sponsor for the sport of pocket billiards, and I tuned in to watch and listen to last few minutes of the Shane Van Boening Vs Jon Hennessee match the other day, I would have shook my head in disbelief - clicked out and never returned.

FWIW,

I support The Action Report.

I support pool.

But.... IMO, several of the comments made by the commentary team at the time were uncalled for, immature, stupid, and not in the best interest of promoting our sport in any other direction but down the toilet bowl.

Some will agree, some may not agree. Sorry, but no outside industry sponsor in their right mind would attach their business or advertisements with comments like "Shut up - I won't play you because your a F'n dick."

If you believe that type of language should be used - or if you believe that attitude is appropriate during commentary, that's fine. It irritated me to the point where I won't watch any more of the Derby because I find that type of behavior embarrassing to be associated with. While I am not watching, I won't lose sleep over it, neither will anyone else. Perhaps it was an isolated incident - perhaps this is the edge they're going for - who knows...

Chad and Justin are not directly responsible for what I heard, but I would hope that in the future they would supervise or monitor what is being said during their broadcasts because they have a lot to offer the game. Not everybody wants to hear all of that nonsense, and yes, most of it was immature nonsense. TAR have done so much in such a short time, I would hope that this is not a preview of what the norm will be in the booth from now on.

If we want our sport to be viewed as a great investment for sponsors, clean it up. There is no excuse for having relentless foul mouthed trash talking taking precedence over relaying basic information such as the score - which btw, neither of them mentioned or had any clue to what it was for the entire time they were in the booth.

corvette1340
01-11-2008, 11:51 AM
I'll take a different angle to this, he realistic business end of it.

If I was a prospective sponsor for the sport of pocket billiards, and I tuned in to watch and listen to last few minutes of the Shane Van Boening Vs Jon Hennessee match the other day, I would have shook my head in disbelief - clicked out and never returned.

FWIW,

I support The Action Report.

I support pool.

But.... IMO, several of the comments made by the commentary team at the time were uncalled for, immature, stupid, and not in the best interest of promoting our sport in any other direction but down the toilet bowl.

Some will agree, some may not agree. Sorry, but no outside industry sponsor in their right mind would attach their business or advertisements with comments like "Shut up - I won't play you because your a F'n dick."

If you believe that type of language should be used - or if you believe that attitude is appropriate during commentary, that's fine. It irritated me to the point where I won't watch any more of the Derby because I find that type of behavior embarrassing to be associated with. While I am not watching, I won't lose sleep over it, neither will anyone else. Perhaps it was an isolated incident - perhaps this is the edge they're going for - who knows...

Chad and Justin are not directly responsible for what I heard, but I would hope that in the future they would supervise or monitor what is being said during their broadcasts because they have a lot to offer the game. Not everybody wants to hear all of that nonsense, and yes, most of it was immature nonsense. TAR have done so much in such a short time, I would hope that this is not a preview of what the norm will be in the booth from now on.

If we want our sport to be viewed as a great investment for sponsors, clean it up. There is no excuse for having relentless foul mouthed trash talking taking precedence over relaying basic information such as the score - which btw, neither of them mentioned or had any clue to what it was for the entire time they were in the booth.


Would you expect anything less from Scott Frost?

yobagua
01-11-2008, 02:52 PM
Blackjack I have been in agreement with you many times but not here. This is the ACTION report. Action in my concept of things is GAMBLING. Like the sign says abouve the door at the Derby-No No Gambling. If you want no woofing or barking or no prop bets watch ESPN, Snooker (the gentlemands game), Carom, etc. The Action Report is the alternative to all of that. It harkens back to the days of Johnston City. It is American as apple pie. If you want to clean up the sport go to Dragon Productions and their 14.1 in Parsipanny. But this is the other side of the coin. We want to hear what the players are thinking and saying to each other. We want to be in on the life they are living. TAR does the closest to that possible. I want to see Cliff Joyner in action not some tuxedo and shirt collar. I want to see Monster John the road warrior play Tony COleman banks for $500 a game. I want to see Tony Watson play Richie Richeson in all nite action. I want to see the truth that lies in the underbelly of America. Why try to throw a pretty carpet over it. It will always exist as long as the dollar does.

Blackjack
01-11-2008, 03:21 PM
Blackjack I have been in agreement with you many times but not here. This is the ACTION report. Action in my concept of things is GAMBLING. Like the sign says abouve the door at the Derby-No No Gambling. If you want no woofing or barking or no prop bets watch ESPN, Snooker (the gentlemands game), Carom, etc. The Action Report is the alternative to all of that. It harkens back to the days of Johnston City. It is American as apple pie. If you want to clean up the sport go to Dragon Productions and their 14.1 in Parsipanny. But this is the other side of the coin. We want to hear what the players are thinking and saying to each other. We want to be in on the life they are living. TAR does the closest to that possible. I want to see Cliff Joyner in action not some tuxedo and shirt collar. I want to see Monster John the road warrior play Tony COleman banks for $500 a game. I want to see Tony Watson play Richie Richeson in all nite action. I want to see the truth that lies in the underbelly of America. Why try to throw a pretty carpet over it. It will always exist as long as the dollar does.

I said it earlier and you obviously did not comprehend a word of it... big money won't touch that type of COMMENTARY with a 10 foot pole.

What the hell are you talking about?

I didn't say anything about action being bad.

I didn't say anything about gambling being bad.

I didn't say anything about 14.1 in Parsipanny or Dragon Promotions.

(Thanks for giving me directions on where I should spend my time) :rolleyes:

If you got any of that from my post, I don't know what you were reading.

My comments were directed at the childishness that myself and 900 others were subjected to while we were trying to enjoy some of that action. I'm all for a little woofing here and there, as long as they keep up with what is going on at the table. They didn't do that. What they did was draw attention AWAY from what was going on at the table and nobody knew what the score was except a few people in the chat room. That is completely unprofessional and it reflects poorly upon everyone involved, sadly this includes TAR.

I'm not saying that be mean.

I'm not saying that to sound like a prude.

I' saying it because that is exactly how that type of behavior will be judged by people that live on the outside of the "bubble" known as the microcosm of the pool world. Like it or not, that's reality.

I support everything that TAR is doing. All I am saying is that they would be doing themselves a disservice by allowing that type of behavior to continue in their broadcasts. Its a minor problem that they could fixed in a heartbeat - just ask the guys to be professional. I'm all for action - but cussing, being ugly, disrespectful, and immature will reflect poorly on the entire game - not just the guys playing around in the booth.

kryptonite9
01-11-2008, 03:44 PM
I agree with BlackJack. He did not say to remove woofing, game making, gambling, even "colorful" comments from the TAR site. If it happens in the room it happens in the room. What he is saying is take it out of the commentary box. The people commentating are a representation of your product and can be controlled by the people who run it, the action in the room which at times can be very entertaining is not under that same controll. Poker tournaments have rants, woofing, self promotion but not by the people in the booth.

I also could do without hearing how good every player is and how he matches up. Please talk about the match, the tournament, the other action in the room. An occasional ME story is fine, but over and over. I ended up turning off the sound during the Shane/Hen match because everybody in the booth bet Shane's side and that is all they were talking about.

Put a colorful guy and a play by play guy in the box, no other mix. I love all the people that commentate for these matches. Frost, Bartrum, Billy, Danny D., Putnam etc but the wrong mix makes it unbearable to listen to. You would not put two John Maddens in for MNF.

TAR Please keep this up. Also take the suggestions here as constructive critcism. This post is asking how to make it better, well that is what you are getting. ;)

yobagua
01-11-2008, 07:20 PM
I see what you are saying Blackjack. I guess I was responding to the kind of criticism Ive heard of TAR. People being unappreciative of the work those guys do. Ive been here since the start of the Derby and these guys are beat working round the clock to give us the fans a venue to this event. They are working hard and selflessly. The criticism that I hear are the most inane.
Now as far as the commentary I agree it can be improved but I dont know if I want big money or media to touch TAR. I want a pure unadulterated inside of the Action world. I dont want a sanitized version just to be more acceptable and commercial. I dont want that kind of commentary. Thats me.
Now I apologize if I misinterpreted your post. However I dont think that TAR is trying to upgrade the sport but give us a report on Action and to create some. When I brought up the other venues I was talking about those events that are trying to be more acceptable and commercial. I think thats far away from what TAR represents. I may be wrong but it is my opinion.

worriedbeef
01-11-2008, 07:46 PM
i see what blackjack is saying but i'm not sure i agree. providing informative commentary on the games and discussing shot selection is not nessecarilly the idea behind this coverage of the DCC. they've shoved a camera in the GAMBLING room inside which there are thousands and thousands of pounds and hundreds of huge ego's wanting to beat each other for the cash and banter away till the early morning. they're just putting a few people behind the mic, some pro's, some az'ers, some of the commentary intelligent, some of it just mindless banter and chat.

but that's the idea behind it. i don't think they're trying to revolutionise the sport and smarten it up. personally i've loved every minute of the coverage. it's made me feel like i've been there, and just being able to chat with some of the pro's and have them talk and banter with us a bit has been great. if i wanted high brow discussion on a match i would watch an accu-stats video.

the PPV is a different kettle of fish. they deliver here, no problems.

tpdtom
01-11-2008, 08:39 PM
I'm deviating from the current focus of the thread to return to the original question of the thread. "What would entice you to spend money on a TAR (The Action Report) stream? "

All along I've said, SVB vs Francisco Bustamante ! Well, it's happening tonight ! It wasn't scheduled. It was rumored, but it's happening tonight around midnight! Race to 30 in 10 Ball for a reported 5K. The PPV is $15. Go to www.theactionreport.com and pay with Paypal...Tom

smokeandapancak
01-12-2008, 01:17 AM
Yesterday while I watching the live stream SPiderWeb was in the booth with Fred and the converstaion turned to this thread. Spidey was a little bothered by the fact that some were insulted or putt off by his use of the word "shit".. he was also defending TAR by saying that they already have big plans and a vision for the path they want thier product to go.

I would certainly hope so , and I dont doubt it for a sec....
I dont think this thread was meant to bag on those guys, the intent of most of the posts are to help.

Do you know how much money compianies spend on FOCUS groups. groups where folks just sit around and ***** about this and that....
TONS of cash.. just so they listen to people talk about their experinces as a consumer.

TAR should take the bad with good and be thankful that have a forum full of their customers willing to run off at the mouth... :D

yobagua
01-12-2008, 06:28 AM
Well I think I owe some of you an apology. During last nites match with Shane and Alex two of the most premier players in the world, the commentating was the worst Ive ever heard. I actually was disgusted and just turned it off and went to bed reading Card Player magazine.
John Schmidt, Darren Appleton, Bobby Hunter, was on. John and Darren just kept blithering on about this and that not even knowing if there was a game on. At one point someone said the score is 10 to 7 and John said who's winning! See how much Im watching the game. Then they brought Jeannette on and the party just went from there. Here is one of the most exciting matches in pool and these self absorbed egos were just going on about their thoughts on the pool world and god how good you look girl.
We the audience were left with ourselves to try and figure out what was going on. I tried to turn the sound off but the picture was so jerky that I couldnt follow the game. I wouldnt mind technical difficulties if there was someone to keep me in the loop about the game. But there was absolutely no one interested in nothing but what they wanted to hear themselves say. Giving short shrift to a very exciting match up.

DrJ
01-12-2008, 10:28 AM
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the420trooper
01-12-2008, 11:17 AM
I liked hearing from Shawn Putnam and Charlie Bryant. They were definitely among the most knowledgeable, but they had the respect and civility that most others lacked. Does anyone remember Tony Chohan saying "Look at this idiot," when Hennessey missed a ball? That's not cool, and his partner, Scott Frost was just as bad. It really makes me long for the reasoned, professional analysis of an Incardona or a Buddy Hall.

DrJ
01-12-2008, 11:20 AM
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punter
01-12-2008, 12:09 PM
I tend to agree for the most part that some of the commentary could be better. But realize, this is on the FREE stream. TAR usually puts together some more experienced guys on the PPV. I'm sure none of these guys on the free stream are getting paid, so TAR is trying to get some name players to commentate and give some interviews. I appreciate being able to hear from these players and even more, to see the action TAR has shown. Most of the announcers in the booth on the free stream are doing their best, commenting for 8+ hours I'm sure is not easy. Others are just being themselves, probably without much thought on how it reflects on things as far as being a saleable product in the future. In any event, I appreciate the coverage, thanks TAR.

jay helfert
01-12-2008, 12:28 PM
I loved the commentary of Bob Hunter and Jeanette Lee during the Shane-Alex match. Their analysis was excellent and they were hilarious together. John Schmidt sat in with them and so did I. These two should team up more often.

The DVD is worth buying to listen to them go at it. Not to mention it's a great match with a little bit of everything. I said it had to go hill-hill and it did.

My hat's off to the boys at TAR for this dream team of Jeanette and Bob together in the booth. I listened on a head set for a while before getting into the booth with them. I was totally cracking up!

DrJ
01-12-2008, 12:34 PM
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JesPiddlin
01-12-2008, 01:07 PM
Nice to see someone understands the power of being positive towards people.

The other thread makes TAR look bad IMO... Offering everyone an awesome service for free and then trying to make people feel bad for watching it without paying is just awful. Really rubbed me wrong.

I have every intention of buying any PPV that they put on as long as I agree with the price and the matchup is one that I want to see. I would buy alot more of them if they could easily be recorded. Purchasing something like this and being able to watch it at our convenience would be a huge plus...

The all week for $25 is a good idea, It would draw alot of viewers and 25x200 or more adds up fast.

Getting players to commentate on matches is great, i just wish they would do it without talking trash about the guy that they aren't betting on.

The DVD prices are currently too high for me, i think the prices will go down after they recover their expenses

More to come

I pretty much agree with this. If I am interested in the match, have available time when the match is scheduled, and the commentary is primarily about the match with other stuff added in, it would be worth paying for. Even if I don't understand the game they are playing, as long as the commentators are explaining some of the shots and strategy, I could learn the game from a strategic point of view. THAT would be worth paying for.

The only thing I would suggest is that the freebie version be the same thing as the PPV version, but in a lighter mode... maybe less important matches and a little lighter on the game focus. The freebie version can easily sell or kill the PPV version, just by what it portrays to the viewing public.

In case it matters, I saw and heard some pretty disgusting things on the freebie chat and microphone, one night. Was considering the PPV version, until that. I closed the browser and haven't been back. Usually, a freebie version of something gives a good idea what the pay version is like (and how well it is policed is a good indication of the morals of the folks running the deal) and none of us here were interested in THAT. If it's been cleaned up a good bit, then I am glad and would consider the PPV version. It will be a while until I go back to see, though. I was looking forward to some of the PPV stuff coming, but am not in a hurry to pay for things that disgust me.

KMRUNOUT
01-12-2008, 01:29 PM
First of all, let me say that I really appreciate what TAR is doing, and love the idea. However, the following would be required for me to spend money on this: (what I say is based on my experience with the free feed)

1) The video quality was poor at best. The feed froze frequently. When it didn't freeze, it was at a terrible frame rate. I would need to see 30 frames per second, with a better clarity. The primary interest for me in watching pro pool is to witness the stroke of a pro player in action and see how the balls behave. You really cannot get a sense of any sort of stroke with this level of video quality.

2) The camera should involve more "work". Without zooming at least, it is hard to appreciate the subtleties of each shot. Also, it was challenging to see all the action, especially when the shooter was in the forground.

3) The rest was fine. Not all of the commentary was especially great. I have grown accustomed to Billy Incardona on Accu-Stats, and feel that he is now the standard by which others will be measured. Still, I don't care that much about this. As long as there is any reasonable commentary I would be happy. (And I thought there was-so ok here by me)

So, this really shows how the quality of the free feed speaks for the PPV feed. I don't know what the difference is, but based on the free feed, I didn't find out.

I will certainly tune in more to see what improvements are made. This stuff should be things you guys can work out and I'm sure you will.

Thanks again,
KMRUNOUT

JesPiddlin
01-12-2008, 04:40 PM
I'll throw your same quote back at you. More than 50 out of 1000 people buy the PPV, the more money TAR gets, the easier it is to kick me and the others out of the booth and get a real commentator -- someone paid. It's a chicken or the egg thing at the beginning of everything. Sometimes you have to support stuff that isn't perfect to make it perfect in the long run. TAR doesn't need AZ posts to know how to improve their product (sorry for running through your bubble garden with a pin). They have visionary ideas with this streaming, they're just trying to cover expenses and flip the cash into product improvement. It is what it is because of the minimal revenue collected at this point - not because they don't know what to do.

Many people of here have really done a fine job supporting them. I was around when a few people donated cash, bought a few t-shirts and signed up for the PPV. For those who supported them with donations and purchases, you understand what I'm saying. Those who are logging in for free saying they'd never buy it because of this and that, well, have fun reading text messages on match updates in the future if it doesn't fly.

Like others love throwing around..... "IMO"

Actually, I believe the first post in this thread ASKS for IMO responses and wants to know what would make it "buyable". That's just good business. If you can find out what the target audience wants, it's easier to please them and it costs a lot less than wandering around in the dark with hit-and-miss stuff.

As for you being commentator, I still stand where I was before. You'd be great enough to pay, if you'd apply yourself to it. You've got lots of potential, but it all depends on whether you have enough pride in yourself to try for more. Or, whether you even care, because it's possible that you really don't care. If that's the case, it's a real shame. The pool world could use some really good commentators.

Regarding how much impact the freebie stuff has on the PPV stuff...

If you're going to buy a $1000 pure-bred dog and you see a filthy, scraggly dog outside the house when you get there, you're probably just going to drive on by.

BAR BOX HATER
01-12-2008, 08:13 PM
The Action Report Rocks!!!!!
Haters Suck!!!
Maybe You Nerdy Computer Geeks Could Go Help!! Instead Of *****ing Here Endlessly!!
These Guys Are So New, When Was The First Match A Few Months Ago? What Do You Expect From Pool Players Risking Their Own Bankrolls To Bring This To Your Couch.
And If You Are Whining About The Commentary. You Should Go Back To Playing Computer Pool. Oops The 9 Ball Game On My Cell Phone Talks Trash. Maybe You Should Just Quit Forever!!!

Thank You Action Report

9balllvr
01-12-2008, 08:20 PM
The Action Report Rocks!!!!!
Haters Suck!!!
Maybe You Nerdy Computer Geeks Could Go Help!! Instead Of *****ing Here Endlessly!!
These Guys Are So New, When Was The First Match A Few Months Ago? What Do You Expect From Pool Players Risking Their Own Bankrolls To Bring This To Your Couch.
And If You Are Whining About The Commentary. You Should Go Back To Playing Computer Pool. Oops The 9 Ball Game On My Cell Phone Talks Trash. Maybe You Should Just Quit Forever!!!

Thank You Action Report

you missed the entire thread purpose altogether. one of the other threads on the forum was shaming everyone for not participating in the PPV. someone thought they would start a thread asking why that was, thus, that is where we are now. i think just about everyone commends TAR for doing what they do, i for one do. i think that everyone understands that they are just starting up. many of us want them to succeed, that is why we offer up our thoughts. we could just not watch, then they wouldn't be anywhere anyway. as i mentioned, i have enjoyed the streaming quite a bit over the last week or so, it allowed me to be there when i was not. the good outweighed the bad in my opinion, but the "bad" was mentioned to be helpful and to see the guys prosper. if i owned a business, i would like to have feedback as well. when you work for a company, you receive reviews do you not? you don't ask for them, they offer them to you. this thread is a real advantage for TAR to see what people are thinking, that is how it should be used.

ShootingArts
01-12-2008, 08:34 PM
Many moons ago I had to put together truth statements. You assemble the facts and they lead to an inevitable conclusion.

A. self proclaimed Bar Box Hater
B. States Haters Suck!!!
Conclusion: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I always find it funny when people's messages and handles or tag lines get them into ridiculous positions.

Hu


The Action Report Rocks!!!!!
Haters Suck!!!
Maybe You Nerdy Computer Geeks Could Go Help!! Instead Of *****ing Here Endlessly!!
These Guys Are So New, When Was The First Match A Few Months Ago? What Do You Expect From Pool Players Risking Their Own Bankrolls To Bring This To Your Couch.
And If You Are Whining About The Commentary. You Should Go Back To Playing Computer Pool. Oops The 9 Ball Game On My Cell Phone Talks Trash. Maybe You Should Just Quit Forever!!!

Thank You Action Report

BAR BOX HATER
01-12-2008, 08:50 PM
[QUOTE=ShootingArts]Many moons ago I had to put together truth statements. You assemble the facts and they lead to an inevitable conclusion.

A. self proclaimed Bar Box Hater
B. States Haters Suck!!!
Conclusion: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I always find it funny when people's messages and handles or tag lines get them into ridiculous positions.

Hu[/QUOTe
i play on the bar box often, i prefer 9' tables as i feel the bar scene has perpetuated the the nevative public opinion of the greatest game on earth!

DrJ
01-12-2008, 09:23 PM
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JesPiddlin
01-13-2008, 01:55 AM
... What Do You Expect From Pool Players Risking Their Own Bankrolls To Bring This To Your Couch...

It would be really nice if this was brought to my couch, as the metal folding chair I sit in to watch my computer monitor is pretty durned uncomfortable. I think someone forgot my couch when they were "risking their own bankrolls."

Blackjack
01-13-2008, 06:09 AM
The Action Report Rocks!!!!!
Haters Suck!!!
Maybe You Nerdy Computer Geeks Could Go Help!! Instead Of *****ing Here Endlessly!!
These Guys Are So New, When Was The First Match A Few Months Ago? What Do You Expect From Pool Players Risking Their Own Bankrolls To Bring This To Your Couch.
And If You Are Whining About The Commentary. You Should Go Back To Playing Computer Pool. Oops The 9 Ball Game On My Cell Phone Talks Trash. Maybe You Should Just Quit Forever!!!

Thank You Action Report

barboxhater,

Basically what you are saying is that if you were in charge of The Action Report that you would not listen to your existing or prospective consumers for your product?

Are you suggesting that Chad and Justin should tell everybody to kiss their ass for providing a free service in hopes that people will endear that type of attitude and eventually purchase the PPV stream?

Are you suggesting that they should tell the rest of us to go get f#@$ed for providing criticism and insight - which has been provided so that their product could be improved in hopes to increase their PPV sales in the future?

I'm pretty sure that if they took YOUR approach, fewer and fewer people would purchase the PPV events and they would eventually cease to exist.

I would hope that The Action Report would have an "After Action Report" and gather some input and insight from the people that viewed the free and PPV product during this event. That way they could make any necessary improvements and learn from what went right and what went wrong. By doing so, with every event they are providing an improved product.

smokeandapancak
01-13-2008, 06:21 AM
After Action Report..... had to laugh..

You know , in the Army after every training excercise or what not the squad/section/platoon/company get together for an "AAR"

After Action Review.... .