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Sporto
01-13-2008, 09:53 AM
I am trying to identify the make/model of this 9ft Gold Crown-like table. Three piece non-pinned slate, adjustable feet, no rail badging. Can anyone identify?

Sporto
01-15-2008, 05:08 PM
Surely, someone must recognize the make and model of this table? If you think you might know what it is, lets hear it. Links to any pics to support your theory would be welcomed.

Patrick Johnson
01-15-2008, 05:16 PM
I'll bite. Why isn't it a Gold Crown?

pj
chgo

ajohnson13
01-15-2008, 05:23 PM
I picked up a table almost identical to this a few months ago off of craigslist. The only real difference I can see is that the finish is black not brown. The mechanic who installed it (Korner Pocket Billiards, Snohomish, WA) told me it was a "Murray & Sons" out of Tacoma, WA based on markings on the underside of the table. I will take pics of the table tonight, and try to get pics of said markings. I hope this helps.

I am curious...What are the white spots on the felt?

poolhustler
01-15-2008, 06:52 PM
I'll bite. Why isn't it a Gold Crown?

pj
chgo

If you know GC's, you would know that it definatley is NOT a GC !!

Russ.....

Sporto
01-15-2008, 07:02 PM
AJ, pics would be great. Those are three ring binder reinforcement stickies that I was using to mark 14, 30 and 49 degree angles for some 3-ball cut system drills I was doing.

Pat,
Several experienced table mechanics say it definately is not a GC due to the way the ball box mounts, skirts attach to the rails, lack of Brunswick Rail emblem, etc..others including the seller of the table claim that is definately a GC. I just want to find some pics that prove one way or the other.

bigskyjake
01-15-2008, 07:16 PM
it looks a ton like a Montana Billiard Supply table we have here locally

JoeyInCali
01-15-2008, 07:24 PM
Maybe an ACME table.

ajohnson13
01-15-2008, 08:30 PM
Here are some pics of my table. I was wrong, Murrey & Sons is out of LA. The table is far from identical, but similar would describe it better. Resembles a GC somewhat, but it plays great and that is what counts for me!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/ajohnson13/IMG_1326.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/ajohnson13/IMG_1325.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/ajohnson13/IMG_1324.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/ajohnson13/IMG_1323.jpg

Let me know if there are any other pics you would like me to take. Once again, I hope this helps.

3andstop
01-15-2008, 08:49 PM
For a while, and perhaps even now, I do know that there were at least 3 companies out of China making knock offs of the GCs. So, maybe its one of those.

Sporto
01-16-2008, 07:02 AM
Montana and ACME google searches revealed nothing that might be my table. Gold Crown China, Google searches reveals nothing but dead ends either.

3andStop,
You wouldn't happen to have a URL for the 3 companies you mention? I did find a table at pooltablesusa.com from their "Metro Collection" that looks extremely similar to this table but they only had 1 pic of it so I can't be sure.

Sporto
01-16-2008, 11:29 PM
First person to positively identify this table and back it up with a picture, a mfg name and mfg's phone number, I will send you a $20 paypal deposit.

Fast Lenny
01-16-2008, 11:33 PM
I was going to say AMF,but they might mark their tables i think. :cool:

nthamix
01-17-2008, 01:59 AM
I think you should just forget about what make it is and just enjoy it :)


(http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?t=85024)





B.

Patrick Johnson
01-17-2008, 06:53 AM
Me:
I'll bite. Why isn't it a Gold Crown?

Russ:
If you know GC's, you would know that it definatley is NOT a GC !!

Then the obvious differences aren't a secret, right? So maybe you won't mind actually mentioning a few of them for my education?

(Like pulling teeth...) :)

pj
chgo

CTYankee
01-17-2008, 07:04 AM
Looks like an Imperial to me.

Bigjohn
01-17-2008, 07:24 AM
I am trying to identify the make/model of this 9ft Gold Crown-like table. Three piece non-pinned slate, adjustable feet, no rail badging. Can anyone identify?

Looks like a I, II or III to me. Check out the ebay listings for pics. There are some pretty good pics there.

JohnnyOzone
01-17-2008, 09:29 AM
If it's not a GC, then I would have to guess that it's a Gandy Big G. The Big G logo might be on the piece that's cut out at the foot end?

Sporto
01-17-2008, 03:12 PM
The piece that looks like a cutout is actually where the ball box slides up into and mounts. I wanted to show how it mounted.

Sporto
01-18-2008, 12:03 PM
Thanks again for the replies. I have researched every mfg that has been mentioned in this thread and have come up with nothing but blanks. I can take and post additional pics if it would help the identification process?

Chucklez65
01-18-2008, 01:22 PM
I have an AMF table and it looks almost identical to this one. Very gold crown like, but ill have to send pics to see if this is the same. Ill do some more research this evening when I get home and see if I can back this up.

James
01-18-2008, 01:28 PM
If it's not a GC, then I would have to guess that it's a Gandy Big G. The Big G logo might be on the piece that's cut out at the foot end?

Doesn't look anything like my Big G... were there multiple Big G models?

Snap9
01-18-2008, 05:21 PM
Its a very interesting table. However, I also do not believe it to be a Gold Crown. It has alot of similiar qualities to my 1967 Murray, but I would not consider it a Murray table either. The joint connectors/metal pocket mount to the sides of the rails. Your pictures show your metal casting to joint similiar but bolt at a 45 degree angle. My murray is labeled/tagged on one of the main beams and all the pocket castings have murray on them too. You have thrown a good question as to whom the manufacturer could be. You might want to check into golden west tables since they at some point had some knock-offs similiar. I will try to do some research and see if I might find some info for you.

Sporto
01-19-2008, 04:39 PM
Here are a couple more pictures that show the ball box installed.

scruffy1
01-19-2008, 04:54 PM
Do a search on jb 206 pool table. I still think it is a chinese knockoff.
photo is terrible but you may get them to send a brochure. one simialarity
is the foot aprons.notice how they both get wider where the attach to the ballbox.

Sporto
01-23-2008, 09:11 AM
Still researching this table, anyone else know what it is?

JoeyInCali
01-23-2008, 09:17 AM
http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=57472&d=1200243094
IF those round plates with 3 screws at the bottom of the rail are what catches the bolt under the slate, the table is definitely not a GC. GC's have plates INSIDE the rails. That's why they are so tight.
It's definitely a GC knockoff. ACME was the most infamous one.
Kangaroo from Asia is another one.

HPbyGD
01-23-2008, 09:34 AM
I have a 10' table that looks a lot like this that I wa stold is a National brand. I put new cushions and Sumonis 860 cloth and it plays really well.

Gary

Sporto
01-23-2008, 12:01 PM
While researching Kangaroo and Murrey, I ran across this picture of their California model, which looks awfully similar to the table I have. Their Superior model is also similar. Need some better pics of these models if anyone has some?

http://www.isakbilliard.com/image/table-california.jpg