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mikepage
01-15-2008, 01:44 PM
Here is a description of the practice game FARGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHj6KUw8xzE

CTYankee
01-15-2008, 01:59 PM
Mike,
I learn something great in each of your videos. Your clear and concise manner of presentation and language, makes even the complex easy to comprehend. Thank you for your efforts... now I am off to try this game.

Pushout
01-15-2008, 02:09 PM
Been doing this for a while now, Mike;)

Bob Jewett
01-15-2008, 03:01 PM
Here is a description of the practice game FARGO ...
I like Fargo because it punishes you for overestimating your ability. For those who haven't seen the video, you have to decide when in the rack to change from shooting any ball to shooting in rotation, getting a bonus point for each ball shot in rotation.

stevekur1
01-15-2008, 03:23 PM
Guess i will strart carrying a block of wood in my case....... LOL


Sounds like a good practice game. i'll have to give it a try !

I Ussually just play the ghost in 9 ball, but i have little twist on the game, if i take ball in hand and run out i get half a game, if i elect to shoot from where the cue stops on the break i get a full game. AND THE GHOST ALWAYS GETS 1 IF I MISS yeah and as you guessed it, the ghost wins most of time!

Steve

Ralph Kramden
01-15-2008, 05:26 PM
Here is a description of the practice game FARGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHj6KUw8xzE

This sounds like a very good practice game. I like the progressive scoring system for improvement. Thanks for sharing. :)

Quesports
01-15-2008, 06:18 PM
Great information sir!!
Thank You...
Dan

Bluesteel
01-15-2008, 08:48 PM
This is very similar to the Q Skills Challenge, which I have been doing for a while now in my practice. There are two obvious differences.First, with Q Skills you do not take ball in hand after break, without taking a penalty. Second, with the Q Skills, you always play the first 10 balls of the rack in any order and the last five always in rotation. I think I will have to try this version, since I like the extra challenge of deciding when in the rack you switch to rotation.

Here is a link describing the Q Skills Practice ...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=45710

Mark

Dustin_J
01-15-2008, 09:28 PM
Thanks Mike, this looks like a lot of fun. I also practice with Q-skills quite frequently, but I'll give this a shot next time I play. Do you have any data on how FARGO scores compare to Q-skills scores? I'd imagine people would score a bit higher on FARGO, but then again, as Bob said, they may overestimate their ability and shoot themselves in the foot.

BTW, did you used to play at the NDSU union 6 or 7 years ago. You look familiar, and I remember playing there some when I was in school and running into some people there on the weekends that ate my lunch :-) Regardless, Sioux Suck!!!

midnightpulp
01-15-2008, 09:40 PM
Awesome. Thx.

mikepage
01-16-2008, 06:37 AM
Thanks Mike, this looks like a lot of fun. I also practice with Q-skills quite frequently, but I'll give this a shot next time I play. Do you have any data on how FARGO scores compare to Q-skills scores? I'd imagine people would score a bit higher on FARGO, but then again, as Bob said, they may overestimate their ability and shoot themselves in the foot.



I should know the comparison because we used to do on-line tournaments first with Q-skill and then later with FARGO. The "self-awareness" component of FARGO makes a big difference. There is a penalty for either over or underestimating your own game. Q-skill is essentially a measure of pure offensive ability. FARGO mixes in some major components of what in 8-ball and 9-ball would translate to strategy/defensive considerations.


BTW, did you used to play at the NDSU union 6 or 7 years ago. You look familiar, and I remember playing there some when I was in school and running into some people there on the weekends that ate my lunch :-)

That would be me
(me playing occasionally at the union--not me eating your lunch).

Regardless, Sioux Suck!!!

lol. We'll see if THAT gets a response...

Only ERO's
01-16-2008, 08:14 AM
I should know the comparison because we used to do on-line tournaments first with Q-skill and then later with FARGO. The "self-awareness" component of FARGO makes a big difference. There is a penalty for either over or underestimating your own game. Q-skill is essentially a measure of pure offensive ability. FARGO mixes in some major components of what in 8-ball and 9-ball would translate to strategy/defensive considerations.



That would be me
(me playing occasionally at the union--not me eating your lunch).



lol. We'll see if THAT gets a response...

Right on about the Sioux. Seeing that they are finally moving up to D-1, maybe they will want to match up with the Bison and get stomped again.

Do you still go down to the Union and play Dan Gu or Bruce? Do those guys still show up? I ran into Bruce when I went down to Iowa for a Big Dogs tournament. Him and Dave Mullen went down there.

jsp
01-16-2008, 11:21 AM
I saw the video yesterday, and it actually is a very cool practice game. I tried out a few racks yesterday night (scoring a 21 the first try :cool: ).

It is very similar to Q-skill (at least the version played in the BDMMT), but Fargo is much less frustrating for the mediocre player such as myself. I like the fact that in Fargo you can decide exactly when to switch from random to rotation. Also, ball in hand after the break is huge!

I'll definitely be playing this practice game more regularly, to find out if I really am the C player I think I am. :p

Vinnie
01-16-2008, 01:55 PM
FARGO is a great concentration game!

Here is a link to a Fargo score sheet w/ rules included...

http://pool.fojavi.com/fargo_sheet.pdf

There are several other score sheets and stuff at my web site pool.fojavi.com

Vinnie

av84fun
01-16-2008, 02:20 PM
Here is a description of the practice game FARGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHj6KUw8xzE

Thanks Mike! I am a big fan of single player games for exactly the reasons you cited...including the ability to simulate real pressure....and I will certainly try Fargo.

The one issue I have with most such games is that they are entirely offensive and safety skills, which are critical to nearly all pool games, are absent and therefore, not measured in the "rating" scores.

I don't mean to hijack this thread but I am just curious if you read my posts re: "Ghost Plus" which introduces a safety option into the standard Ghost Ball game.

Briefly, you play the Ghost but have one opportunity per rack to play a CALLED safety.

If you leave the Ghost hooked requiring a 1 rail kick, you get ball in hand and can continue the run.

In the Advanced version, you need to leave a jump shot or at least 2 rail kick and if not, you lose the rack.

In either version, a scratch on the break is loss of rack which adds at least some ranking weight to breaking skills.


Regards,
Jim

mikepage
01-17-2008, 08:06 AM
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Do you still go down to the Union and play Dan Gu or Bruce? Do those guys still show up? I ran into Bruce when I went down to Iowa for a Big Dogs tournament. Him and Dave Mullen went down there.

I haven't played there in six months. But funny you should mention Bruce and Dave. I dropped a couple Bills (one each) to those two scoundrels Tuesday night. It was me against them in straight pool. They played scotch doubles. I just couldn't get it together.

Only ERO's
01-17-2008, 08:43 AM
I haven't played there in six months. But funny you should mention Bruce and Dave. I dropped a couple Bills (one each) to those two scoundrels Tuesday night. It was me against them in straight pool. They played scotch doubles. I just couldn't get it together.

I was quite surprised how Bruce's game had come along. Dave C. gambled with him a little in Iowa and though he had the nuts. But Bruce took a few sets. I am not sure how they ended up but it surprised Dave.

Still have that 72 or 73 for a high run? I need to start keeping track of my straight pool innings to see what I can put together.

hackerda
01-17-2008, 08:56 AM
So, if you miss a shot do you take the ball off of the table or remove a point from your score?

Dean:D

mikepage
01-17-2008, 09:10 AM
I was quite surprised how Bruce's game had come along. Dave C. gambled with him a little in Iowa and though he had the nuts. But Bruce took a few sets. I am not sure how they ended up but it surprised Dave.


I'm not surprised. He definitely gets the most-improved award for around here.
He's been playing a lot of the tight diamond at DMs house. The other night he got up 8 or 10 games on Rory getting the 7 or the 7 out or something like that.
He had a good night, and Rory played poorly, but STILL...

I gave him 2 to 7 playing 8-ball at Rugby this year, and I wasn't liking it at all.


Still have that 72 or 73 for a high run? I need to start keeping track of my straight pool innings to see what I can put together.

Oh you're so kind ;-). It's 71 And even that has a rack or so borrowed from beyond the rainbow. I think my next best is 56 :-(

mikepage
01-17-2008, 09:11 AM
So, if you miss a shot do you take the ball off of the table or remove a point from your score?

Dean:D

A missed shot ends the inning. You record your score for the inning, and rack the balls for the next inning.

IA8baller
01-18-2008, 08:12 AM
I just watched the video yesterday on youtube and I can't wait to get my table set up here at home next week and try it out and see where I stand.

Vinnie.......thanks for the link to the scoresheet/rules. I'm printing off a copy right now. :)

mikepage.........many kudos to you and your videos on youtube. :D

IA8baller
01-22-2008, 10:36 PM
I shot my first 10 inning game of Fargo tonight on my new 7' Valley and scored 150. I thought I would do a little better but I had one inning with a score of only 7 because I barely missed one shot that I shouldn't have missed. In all ten innings I only missed 5 shots, I was happy with that. I'll be trying this game at least 3-4 times/wk and see how I do on average. It does help you try to stay focused and competitive even though you're just playing by yourself. I'm going to try to get close to the 200 mark in the next few trys. That's my goal anyway.

Patrick Johnson
01-23-2008, 08:20 AM
Nice as always, Mike. One suggestion: if you'd pretend to miss once you could illustrate how an inning ends when you don't run all 15 (I can understand how that would slip your mind).

pj
chgo

(But where's my credit for the name? Can't get no respeck...)

Ranjmaz
04-03-2012, 11:00 AM
Just played this game for the first time in years on my house table. It was quite the mixed bag. It's hard to get good action on the break on my table, I only made 1 ball 3 times on the break which I of course spotted per the rules. Not having a good spread off the break really inhibited my scores as I was shooting upwards of 3 additional break out shots on some runs.

I tried to do too much with the BIH off the break on a couple of racks and got some really low scores. I did manage to make 14 balls twice in 10 innings.

My first 5 racks put me at a low C player and the last 5 at a low B player, for an average of a a C to C+ player, which is very near what I consider myself.

This is really going to help me bear down on my break on my home table.

Thanks Mike!

JoseV
04-03-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm going to have try it out anybody feel good about the scores they got ?

Shane Sullivan
04-03-2012, 11:53 AM
Thats a nice looking table! :thumbup:

Wags
04-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Regardless, Sioux Suck!!!

Hey hey hey, be nice or we'll talk about the NDSU hockey program. :smile:

Occam's Razor
04-03-2012, 09:42 PM
I stumbled across this old post because someone had bumped it to the top recently. To be honest, I had never heard of FARGO (or Q Skills, which might be equally as good). Anyway, I had some spare time and decided to give it a run. I ran through two sets of ten to establish my "baseline" ~ OUCH. The .pdf file listed in this thread was a dead link, so I created my own scoresheet. As you will see, I started to add "footnotes" in the second set of ten racks. So here goes, chuckle away at my ineptitude, but it is at least an honest accounting (if I understand how everything works and scored correctly).

Rack 1: 8 points
Rack 2: 9 points
Rack 3: 4 points (yes, with BIH and an open table, lol)
Rack 4: 7 points
Rack 5: 13 points (getting better) ;)
Rack 6: 9 points
Rack 7: 7 points
Rack 8: 20 points (first rack clearance, yeah...chuckle)
Rack 9: 13 points
Rack 10: 13 points
Total: 103 points (10.3 points per rack)

Rack 11: 10 points
Rack 12: 20 points (3 balls on break) (rack clearance)
Rack 13: 8 points (2 balls on break) (scratch during run)
Rack 14: 2 points (yes two, lol) (missed combo to open up rack)
Rack 15: 20 points (1 ball on break) (scratch on break) (rack clearance)
Rack 16: 18 points (rack clearance)
Rack 17: 12 points (1 ball on break) (hooked on next ball in rotation to end run)
Rack 18: 17 points (missed last rotation ball due to poor position)
Rack 19: 1 point (1 ball on break) (yes one single point with BIH, yuck) (played shaped for long ball down rail past side pocket and missed)
Rack 20: 20 points (1 ball on break) (rack clearance)
Total: 128 points (12.8 points per rack)

Scratch on break % = 5% (1/20)
Total rack clearance % = 25% (5/20) (1/10 first set, 4/10 second set)
Ball on break % = 70% (14/20)

So, what's the point of all of this? What does it mean to you and your game? Maybe nothing. But I just wanted to illustrate that it was actually FUN practicing (for me). I can hardly ever "get into" practice, I usually like an opponent (and obviously lose a lot). ;) But this was intriguing for whatever reason, and I would say it took maybe 1.5 hours (but I didn't time it...).

Like the video said, it puts a little pressure on the situation, and obviously you want to "do better". And with little creativity, you can create whatever additional statistics you like with footnotes such as I started to add in the second set. With some detail in what went wrong, I think it will give me additional areas to focus on for improvement (for example, I know I need additional time spent shooting over balls, or avoiding those situations altogether).

At any rate, sorry for the long post. Bottom line is if you find yourself in a rut practicing alone, I think this is worth a shot. If you are already regimented in your practice, kudos to you.

And, let's see some more scores from fellow AZ'ers. I want to see how low I really rank. :D

Peace out and Hit 'em straight.

~Razor

FYI: I spotted balls made on the break, I just started noting when I made one (and how many) for statistical purposes ~ and to somewhat gauge my eight ball break.

DogsPlayingPool
04-03-2012, 10:11 PM
One thing I like about Fargo over some of the other similar 10 inning games is that there is definitely more strategy - not just concerning when to cross over to rotation, but picking your patterns so that you can cross over earlier in the rack and therefore make more points. So there is a knowledge component to being able to score well in this game.

I've noticed playing this game that a hard break is not necessary and maybe not even preferred. Make more than one ball on the snap and you've created a problem cluster for yourself along the spot line. A good spread is really all you want.

Occam's Razor
04-03-2012, 10:16 PM
I didn't have to use a piece of wood or a quarter to indicate if I was in the "random" phase or the "rotation" phase. :D

Since I was on a Diamond with a ball return, I simply took the balls out of the ball return and set them aside when I switched to rotation. Those in the tray when I was done were simply worth one, and those in the ball return were worth two. I need more in the ball return. ;)

No aiming systems were used, other than PIITP, and no animals were harmed during this practice/experiment. Anyway, peace and good shooting to all...

~Razor

Occam's Razor
04-03-2012, 10:21 PM
I've noticed playing this game that a hard break is not necessary and maybe not even preferred. Make more than one ball on the snap and you've created a problem cluster for yourself along the spot line. A good spread is really all you want.

Agree wholeheartedly, with the strategy aspect and especially making balls on the break and creating a problem for yourself...not good.

:thumbup:

Rod
04-03-2012, 11:24 PM
I played this game quite a bit when playpool existed. I played 1 season & I think a season was like 6 or 8 weeks. My average was just over 200 on a 9 footer. The guy that won most of them was Andy. I forget his last name but I think he averaged in the 210 + range. I think Andy passed away but I do not remember his last name. You have to play well to keep your average that high.

As mentioned a hard break is not needed. I broke them just over med speed. Another point worth noting is rack them tight. A loose rack will kill your score so I made sure every rack was tight.

Strategy is king, dissect the rack like a 14.1 player & run out like a 9 ball player. I switched to rotation ASAP but sometimes it can't happen. Of course I had the occasional low score & a few 30 pointers. 30 is not common, a very good break is essential.

Actually I forgot about this game. I might just give it a try tomorrow. I doubt I'll have the time for 10 innings but a few racks before some 1P sounds like fun. Thanks for the game Mike and to Ed and everyone involved.

Rod

Occam's Razor
04-04-2012, 11:36 AM
Thanks, Rod. Wow, that's some average. I was able to eek out 7 randoms and 8 rotations for a single inning 23 today. A perfect 30 seems awful elusive for me right now. :smile:

Peace.

the420trooper
04-04-2012, 12:15 PM
Just played this game for the first time in years on my house table. It was quite the mixed bag. It's hard to get good action on the break on my table, I only made 1 ball 3 times on the break which I of course spotted per the rules. Not having a good spread off the break really inhibited my scores as I was shooting upwards of 3 additional break out shots on some runs.

I tried to do too much with the BIH off the break on a couple of racks and got some really low scores. I did manage to make 14 balls twice in 10 innings.

My first 5 racks put me at a low C player and the last 5 at a low B player, for an average of a a C to C+ player, which is very near what I consider myself.

This is really going to help me bear down on my break on my home table.

Thanks Mike!
I love when new members dig up good pool information for me. :D

I must have missed this one the first time around, thanks to you and Mike Page for the idea.

the420trooper
04-04-2012, 12:16 PM
Nice as always, Mike. One suggestion: if you'd pretend to miss once you could illustrate how an inning ends when you don't run all 15 (I can understand how that would slip your mind).

pj
chgo

(But where's my credit for the name? Can't get no respeck...)

See what this place has done to PJ? He had a sense of humor four years ago. :D

Patrick Johnson
04-04-2012, 12:47 PM
See what this place has done to PJ? He had a sense of humor four years ago. :D
Four years ago there were people here (like Mike) who made me laugh too.

pj
chgo

JoseV
04-05-2012, 04:39 AM
This game really kicked the f-ing crap out of me I played 5 sets Becuse I was to stubborn to give up. It's now my new practice drill unroll I can score 110 and up three out of five sets

Occam's Razor
04-05-2012, 11:58 AM
I think it will really help my game, also. I ran through ten racks last night (my new daily minimum) and scored a 125. That was with 6 out of 10 total rack clearances, so I (and now everyone else) can tell that I am switching from the random to the rotation phase too late. And other racks I am just completely butchering (missing) early, netting only a 2 or 3 for a couple of frames really kills ya...obviously.

Anyway, I encourage anyone who hasn't to give it a try, I think it will improve your practice regimen and elevate your game. Or try it with and without your new technique and see if there is any appreciable difference one way or the other. Might validate for you if something new is really working or not (with actual performance statistics). And you can test it over a longer haul if you want to eliminate any possibility of a placebo effect.

That's all for now. Enjoy and peace.

~Razor

the420trooper
04-05-2012, 12:46 PM
I played through ten racks last night and scored a 115. Highest score was 23, lowest was 4. (awesome) I was guilty of switching to rotation too early at least twice, trying to make up for the 4 that I got in the second rack.

You really have to play each rack individually, without considering the ones before, to get your maximum score.

I actually got mad enough to almost kick the wall when I missed, and that for me is great, because I have trouble focusing or caring enough without an opponent.Great mixture of fun and faux pressure.

New goal: Score 130 within the next month

JC
04-05-2012, 01:17 PM
I couldn't see the rules link. Came back as a dead end link.

How do you score incidental balls that fall along with your called shot? Or do you spot them?

The concept of playing online with games like this or a standardized rating system from the outcome has it's one major pitfall. My 120 on my diamondized 9 foot gold crown might translate to a 170 average on an 8 foot valley with barbucket corner pockets. For this reason we really can't compare our scores with anyone not playing on the same table as ourselves. To map our own progress however this is a really nice game. Thanks Mike.

Ranjmaz
04-05-2012, 06:59 PM
My breaking woes are so bad, I'm now keeping track of balls that stay over half the table.

I played 5 games tonight, and scored a 35. I'm going to play 10 innings or 100 racks, and it's looking like I'm going to score between 700 and 850, so this is on the borderline.

On 5 breaks, I failed to make a ball, and have made 4 balls total in 25 racks. I only placed 14 balls half way or further today, 3 balls 4 times, and 2 balls once. It's just a break out the clusters festival after the break with BIH.

I play on a valley 7 footer with new, albeit thick cloth. The cloth is routinely vacuumed and Lint rolled. I recently bought a new rack of balls as the ones that came with the table, to my surprise, were just under 1/16th of an inch from the 2 1/4 inch standard.

These newer balls, being standard vs the others, have more mass of course, and my break has gone from acceptable/bad to just plain bad on this table. I shot at my local haunt on wed (free pool) and I broke quote a bit better on what would comparably be considered a fast table, still not as good as I'd like, but who does, lol.

On other tables, I've placed 11 balls on the other side off the break b4 and have made 5 balls before, although 3 or less is my norm when I'm actually making balls on the break.

My break technique is ball on the spot, bridge on the table, aim for dead center ball, low stance but high enough to have a good elbow lever, follow thru with a conscious effort to move the hand fast. Maybe the hand fast is a mistake? Keep the hand back longer, begin rotating, then come thru and flick the wrist?

Interestingly, I've now made 12 balls or more 6 times out of 25 racks. Considering the clusters I'm dealing with multiple times per rack, I'm pleased with this number so far.

Time to scrap this felt? If so, I'd like to get to the point where I can improve my break technique to 5 balls or more over half consistently, then get a better, faster playing felt, which may take me to 6 or 7 balls. That would be nice.

Occam's Razor
04-05-2012, 09:00 PM
I couldn't see the rules link. Came back as a dead end link.

How do you score incidental balls that fall along with your called shot? Or do you spot them?



metmot,

I found this from the rules: "8.2) The player is entitled to any additional balls that are pocketed on a shot, as long as he pockets legally his called ball; the additional balls count the same as the called ball."

Hope this helps, and I agree, it is good for charting personal development, but now agree irrelevant to compare individual scores with varying playing conditions, tables, etc.

I simply find it to be useful for building focus and some intensity to solo practice and a systematic way to chart individual progress.

See attachment for complete rules and a scoresheet.

Best wishes to all in your pool journey.

~Razor

JC
04-05-2012, 09:03 PM
metmot,

I found this from the rules: "8.2) The player is entitled to any additional balls that are pocketed on a shot, as long as he pockets legally his called ball; the additional balls count the same as the called ball."

Hope this helps, and I agree, it is good for charting personal development, but now agree irrelevant to compare individual scores with varying playing conditions, tables, etc.

I simply find it to be useful for building focus and some intensity to solo practice and a systematic way to chart individual progress.

See attachment for complete rules and a scoresheet.

Best wishes to all in your pool journey.

~Razor

Thank you kindly!

John

Rod
04-05-2012, 11:22 PM
My breaking woes are so bad, I'm now keeping track of balls that stay over half the table.

I played 5 games tonight, and scored a 35. I'm going to play 10 innings or 100 racks, and it's looking like I'm going to score between 700 and 850, so this is on the borderline.

On 5 breaks, I failed to make a ball, and have made 4 balls total in 25 racks. I only placed 14 balls half way or further today, 3 balls 4 times, and 2 balls once. It's just a break out the clusters festival after the break with BIH.

I play on a valley 7 footer with new, albeit thick cloth. The cloth is routinely vacuumed and Lint rolled. I recently bought a new rack of balls as the ones that came with the table, to my surprise, were just under 1/16th of an inch from the 2 1/4 inch standard.

These newer balls, being standard vs the others, have more mass of course, and my break has gone from acceptable/bad to just plain bad on this table. I shot at my local haunt on wed (free pool) and I broke quote a bit better on what would comparably be considered a fast table, still not as good as I'd like, but who does, lol.

On other tables, I've placed 11 balls on the other side off the break b4 and have made 5 balls before, although 3 or less is my norm when I'm actually making balls on the break.

My break technique is ball on the spot, bridge on the table, aim for dead center ball, low stance but high enough to have a good elbow lever, follow thru with a conscious effort to move the hand fast. Maybe the hand fast is a mistake? Keep the hand back longer, begin rotating, then come thru and flick the wrist?

Interestingly, I've now made 12 balls or more 6 times out of 25 racks. Considering the clusters I'm dealing with multiple times per rack, I'm pleased with this number so far.

Time to scrap this felt? If so, I'd like to get to the point where I can improve my break technique to 5 balls or more over half consistently, then get a better, faster playing felt, which may take me to 6 or 7 balls. That would be nice.

Ranjmaz, there is no point to making balls on the break if your playing Fargo. Any ball made is spotted so that's another cluster. Just break at med speed, enough to spread the balls well. Its rare I make a ball playing Fargo and I might have 6 past the side pockets. No real clusters, usually just random balls touching or close.

If they don't spread well new cloth should help but your cushions might need replaced. Slow cushions that need replaced are common so keep that it mind. Another reason could be the balls are not racked tight. Poor racks give poor results.

As far as technique, seek some help. You have misconceptions about execution. Its not very complicated but it takes time and practice to deliver a straight smooth stroke. As your stroke improves, your ball pocketing and break will improve. Good luck

Sorry, just noticed you play on a Valley. There notorious for slow cushions. Also on a 7 footer clusters are common.

Rod

Ranjmaz
04-06-2012, 06:19 AM
I do know there is no point on making balls on the break in Fargo, but there is a point of diminishing returns, I'm usually looking at 12 balls on 1 half, a nice cluster of 5 to 8 near the rack, and 1 more cluster, requiring 3 break out shots on some racks, which is beyond my C to B- skill level at the moment.

I feel like I'm playing straight pool. It's hurting my score, but I am learning how balls interact in close proximity better, breakouts to stay away from, get out of trouble balls, and scrutinizing my break, so overall this has been a great game to pick back up.

I'd much rather make 2 or 3 balls, have 8 balls down table, and the only cluster the made balls spotted.

The cushions are brand new, less than a year old, same as the felt.

The racks are tight and quite easy to keep in place on this table vs others I've played on.

Today I will be breaking at a bar in our league that I have quite a bit of success on, including a break and rake during the season, so I'll keep a mental note on how the break goes there.
If I come up with a change that helps my break, I will definitely share it.

JUSTABANGER 2
04-08-2012, 06:01 AM
Ranjmaz, I'm no pro but as far as breaking I usually do pretty well. Here's a couple of things you might try. If I'm breaking an 8-ball rack I start with the cue ball dead center and concentrate on the ball in the center of the last row and try to drive the cue ball through the rack to hit it. Also I try and keep the muscles in my arm and shoulder loose and relaxed till I hit the cue ball. Tightening my grip at the last second. A relaxed muscle can move a lot faster than a flexed one. If you watch a boxer throw a jab his hand is open and relaxed till just before impact when he closes it. You get a lot more speed that way and in my case more power. Another thing that improved my break was a Samsara tip on my break cue it seems to hit harder than any other tip I've ever used. Good luck I hope this helps.

Ranjmaz
04-09-2012, 06:22 AM
Thanks JustBanger, I will try that tonight.

My only break on the bar league table friday netted 1 ball and 5 others across the table with no clusters and I was using a 17 oz house cue.

Samiel
04-09-2012, 11:37 AM
I think it's worth posting the link to the rules (as listed in the video): http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/RulesFargo.php

Also the rankings:

Pro Above 220
AA 160-220
A 130-160
B 100-130
C 60 - 100
D Below 60