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hangemhigh
02-03-2008, 07:59 PM
"nuff said!!!!!

cajunbarboxplyr
02-03-2008, 08:30 PM
always knew they were overrated :)

branpureza
02-03-2008, 08:49 PM
looks like those patriots were outclassed.

pwd72s
02-03-2008, 08:53 PM
Best superbowl I've seen in years! Nobody knew who would win until literally the last minute. I loved it! But then, my habit is to root for the underdawg,,,

Catahula
02-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Great game...period, end of story!

Southpaw
02-03-2008, 08:57 PM
You gotta hand it to the Giants defense. They shut Brady and Moss down for the most part. Eli played well, but hes not quite Peyton yet.

Southpaw

frankwhite
02-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Go Big Blue !!!!!

LILJOHN30
02-03-2008, 09:02 PM
THE BIG BLUE WRECKING CREW IS BACK

jay helfert
02-03-2008, 09:02 PM
You gotta hand it to the Giants defense. They shut Brady and Moss down for the most part. Eli played well, but hes not quite Peyton yet.

Southpaw


You got that right! The Giants defense should all be the MVP's! They shut Brady and the Pats down and gave the offense chances over and over again. Finally in the 4th quarter, Manning woke up and the Giants receivers starting hanging onto the ball.

I got down pretty good on this one and took the points (12.5), but I didn't like my bet in the second and third quarter. Once the Giants finally broke thru with a TD, I liked my bet, A LOT!

Fatboy
02-03-2008, 09:11 PM
You got that right! The Giants defense should all be the MVP's!




i agree, that was a great game, i was happy for them.

poolcuemaster
02-03-2008, 09:19 PM
I'm just tickled they got whooped so my Dolphin's record stayed untied or actually unbeaten if you count 3 more games played this year by the Patriots compared to the 1972 Dolphins.

Leonard is happy but not about this years Dolphins

Russ Chewning
02-03-2008, 09:32 PM
I got 8 to 5 on the money with a coworker (a non-gambler co-worker, I might add...) for a small bet, his $40 to my $25...

I just didn't think that the Patriots could be almost a 2-1 favorite over the Giants. They certainly had me sweating until the last 60 seconds, though. :D

Russ

DrJ
02-03-2008, 09:33 PM
..........

jay helfert
02-03-2008, 09:35 PM
Just noticed I broke thru 7,000 posts today. That's sick! Get a life Jay! :eek:

Oh well, I think I won a toaster. MIKE!!!!

thebigdog
02-03-2008, 09:42 PM
You gotta hand it to the Giants defense. They shut Brady and Moss down for the most part. Eli played well, but hes not quite Peyton yet.

Southpaw
You're right, Peyton would have choked!

pooltchr
02-04-2008, 03:58 AM
I thought it showed a real lack of class that the coach was already in the tunnel when the game ended, rather than out congratulating the Giants.
Steve

rossaroni
02-04-2008, 04:10 AM
I got 8 to 5 on the money with a coworker (a non-gambler co-worker, I might add...) for a small bet, his $40 to my $25...

I just didn't think that the Patriots could be almost a 2-1 favorite over the Giants. They certainly had me sweating until the last 60 seconds, though. :D

Russ

You know that the real line on the Giants was more like 3-1! You may have taken a bad bet(as far as getting a better line) but you still won.

DEAD MONEY G
02-04-2008, 04:11 AM
I got 8 to 5 on the money with a coworker (a non-gambler co-worker, I might add...) for a small bet, his $40 to my $25...

I just didn't think that the Patriots could be almost a 2-1 favorite over the Giants. They certainly had me sweating until the last 60 seconds, though. :D

Russ
you were right they werent almost 2 to 1 they were more than 3 to 1 100 got you 320 i LOVED the g men in this 1 and not just because they are my team

rossaroni
02-04-2008, 04:12 AM
I thought it showed a real lack of class that the coach was already in the tunnel when the game ended, rather than out congratulating the Giants.
Steve

He did congratulate the other coach (or tell him that he was lucky!:( ) before they put the clock back to 1 second.

DeadPoked
02-04-2008, 04:22 AM
I thought it showed a real lack of class that the coach was already in the tunnel when the game ended, rather than out congratulating the Giants.
Steve

I've heard a lot of people mention this and I think it's ridiculous. Both coaches met in the center of the field and shook hands before the game actually ended. If Belichick hadn't already congratulated the other coach, then yes it would have shown a real lack of class not to shake hands at the end of the game. If the Giants wouldn't have came onto the field and started celebrating before the game officially ended... we wouldn't be having this conversation.

/Cowboys Fan
//Was rooting for the Patriots
///Wanted to see perfection
////Most likely never will... now.
/////Congrats to the Giants
//////What a catch by Tyree... WOW! I'll be telling the guy at the nursing home, who will be cleaning my bedpan, about that catch many moons from now.

ShootingArts
02-04-2008, 05:59 AM
If the Giants wouldn't have came onto the field and started celebrating before the game officially ended... we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If the game clock hadn't been allowed to wind down to zero the field wouldn't have been covered with people from both teams, the photographers, media folks, and fans. So who is at fault for the mess?

The game clock ran down to zero and then one second was added back.

Hu

DeadPoked
02-04-2008, 06:45 AM
If the game clock hadn't been allowed to wind down to zero the field wouldn't have been covered with people from both teams, the photographers, media folks, and fans. So who is at fault for the mess?

The game clock ran down to zero and then one second was added back.

Hu

Must you try debating everything I say? :D Don't you recall the punishment me and Joe Rogan unleashed on you in the Smoking thread. You just keep coming back for more. I must admit though, you've got a lot of heart.

catscradle
02-04-2008, 07:03 AM
....
//Was rooting for the Patriots
///Wanted to see perfection
////Most likely never will... now.
....

My feelings exactly. I did the math, 62+(2007-1972)=87. Odds are the oppourtunity for perfection by anybody won't come up again in my lifetime. Too bad.
I personality thought it was a terrible game, 10 minutes of excitement doesn't make up for 50 miniutes of ineptitude by both sides.
I still hold out hope of seeing another '72 Dolphins, or the Steelers of the great years. A team that wins by grinding out the rushing yards instead of all this passing. Where is Franco Harris when you need him?

ShootingArts
02-04-2008, 07:09 AM
Must you try debating everything I say? :D Don't you recall the punishment me and Joe Rogan unleashed on you in the Smoking thread. You just keep coming back for more. I must admit though, you've got a lot of heart.

I along with a lot of others couldn't get into the forums for over a day then I just let the subject drop. While I was locked out a new report was published a half a world away from the imaginary US government and US corporation conspirators you credit with all things that don't suit you that found that pot smokers were 5.6 times more likely to get cancer, even after things like cigarette smoking were taken into consideration.

There is a limit to how long I will waste time arguing with folks with their head stuck in the sand. It doesn't make them right, just willing to keep deluding themselves and others after I am through wasting my time pointing out the foolishness of their ways. I often move on once I figure there is enough information in a thread for uninvolved people reading it to make up their own minds. Since you are under some delusion that you successfully teamed up with someone else to punish me in that thread I'll go see what was said after I left it.

I didn't pay any attention to who posted the comment about the Giants, purely pointed out that the implication that the Giants were the sole cause of the problem was BS. There are a handful of posters whose posts I make a point of reading because of the quality of their posts, you aren't one of them. There is nobody that I bother chasing to contradict.

Hu

Edit: My mistake working from memory. Pot smokers are 5.7 times more likely to get cancer.

"In this high-exposure group, lung cancer risk rose by 5.7 times for patients who smoked more than a joint a day for 10 years, or two joints a day for 5 years, after adjusting for other variables, including cigarette smoking."

stikapos
02-04-2008, 07:37 AM
I don 't know how 18 straight wins winds up being blind luck, but everyone loves to tear down a winner and celebrate a longshot. The Giants had their day, no doubt. A real defensive tussle. And if it wasn't for dingaling Asante "I'm the next best thing to sliced bread" Samuel dropping yet another thrown up for grabs ball, the Gints would be an also ran. So before calling this blind luck, lets see what the Gints look like next year. If Willy Eli winds up with two more, then we can talk about the Giants in the same breath as the Pats. Until then, fuggetaboutit.

tim

corvette1340
02-04-2008, 07:56 AM
You're right, Peyton would have choked!

are you on crack? Peyton is going to break every conceivable NFL record for quarterbacks before he's done. His winning percentage is incredible thus far and he has a super bowl title along with several division titles and individual accolades. That might be the single dumbest statement I've seen on here in a long time.

catscradle
02-04-2008, 08:07 AM
are you on crack? Peyton is going to break every conceivable NFL record for quarterbacks before he's done. His winning percentage is incredible thus far and he has a super bowl title along with several division titles and individual accolades. That might be the single dumbest statement I've seen on here in a long time.

I agree Peyton is a phenomenal quarterback, but let's not talk about breaking every record before he is done. That is all dependent upon his have a top quality team around him, in this age of parity and free agency that is by no means a given.

JDB
02-04-2008, 08:07 AM
My feelings exactly. I did the math, 62+(2007-1972)=87. Odds are the oppourtunity for perfection by anybody won't come up again in my lifetime. Too bad.

It even gets worse when you do the correct math and find out that it is 97 instead of 87...;)

catscradle
02-04-2008, 08:08 AM
It even gets worse when you do the correct math and find out that it is 97 instead of 87...;)
Oh my goodness, I'm getting too old to do arithmetic. :eek:

Pushout
02-04-2008, 08:13 AM
I was crying, screaming at the wife, I couldn't believe it!!!! It's been years since I was that emotional about a football game. Much like I felt when the Oilers won their first Stanley Cup. I respect the Pats a great deal and even like them myself, but as an ex New Yorker, the Giants were a sentimental favorite. What a game, and I agree with Jay, the Defense should be the MVP!

DeadPoked
02-04-2008, 08:17 AM
I along with a lot of others couldn't get into the forums for over a day then I just let the subject drop. While I was locked out a new report was published a half a world away from the imaginary US government and US corporation conspirators you credit with all things that don't suit you that found that pot smokers were 5.6 times more likely to get cancer, even after things like cigarette smoking were taken into consideration.

There is a limit to how long I will waste time arguing with folks with their head stuck in the sand. It doesn't make them right, just willing to keep deluding themselves and others after I am through wasting my time pointing out the foolishness of their ways. I often move on once I figure there is enough information in a thread for uninvolved people reading it to make up their own minds. Since you are under some delusion that you successfully teamed up with someone else to punish me in that thread I'll go see what was said after I left it.

I didn't pay any attention to who posted the comment about the Giants, purely pointed out that the implication that the Giants were the sole cause of the problem was BS. There are a handful of posters whose posts I make a point of reading because of the quality of their posts, you aren't one of them. There is nobody that I bother chasing to contradict.

Hu

Edit: My mistake working from memory. Pot smokers are 5.7 times more likely to get cancer.

"In this high-exposure group, lung cancer risk rose by 5.7 times for patients who smoked more than a joint a day for 10 years, or two joints a day for 5 years, after adjusting for other variables, including cigarette smoking."

Hu I extended the olive branch to you in the Smoking thread by saying thank you for the spirited debate and to have a great week. I remained civil after our discourse.

I thought it would be quite apparent that the above post was said in jest, but you came back with this vile post which is filled with nothing but animosity and obvious disdain for me. I won't even begin to debate your "facts" because that would obviously falls on deaf ears.

Please don't get me confused though. I will call someone out if I think they are saying and/or doing the wrong things on this forum. As it should be done by everyone. I just don't understand you launching into your tirade for my post quoted above.

Maybe you are having a bad week. Hope things start looking up for you, Sir. :)

corvette1340
02-04-2008, 08:44 AM
I agree Peyton is a phenomenal quarterback, but let's not talk about breaking every record before he is done. That is all dependent upon his have a top quality team around him, in this age of parity and free agency that is by no means a given.


He has been in the league for only 10 years and has averaged 4162 yds and 30.6 TD in each of those years. His totals are 41,626 yds. and 306 TD's. That places him 9th in career passing yards and 4th in career touchdowns passes already. By comparison Brett Favre, who owns both of those records that he just broke, has been in the league for 16 years. His averages are 3853 yds and 27.62 Td per season. While Peyton still has a way to go, he is way ahead of the pace set by Favre and since he's never missed a game due to injury, his durability isn't really a factor. Most experts agree that Peyton will own all significant records.

hangemhigh
02-04-2008, 08:47 AM
I don 't know how 18 straight wins winds up being blind luck, but everyone loves to tear down a winner and celebrate a longshot. The Giants had their day, no doubt. A real defensive tussle. And if it wasn't for dingaling Asante "I'm the next best thing to sliced bread" Samuel dropping yet another thrown up for grabs ball, the Gints would be an also ran. So before calling this blind luck, lets see what the Gints look like next year. If Willy Eli winds up with two more, then we can talk about the Giants in the same breath as the Pats. Until then, fuggetaboutit.

tim
It is really simple. I watched every NE game this year,saw all the lucky breaks(drive continuing penalties) they caught. The Ravens game was a total luck win,as they had lost save for a phanthom time out on 4th and 1,and two penalties afterwards on the same drive,as well as the questionable catch by Gaffney to win that game. Blind ass luck. You don't like it,but it is fact,so they take their rightful place in history as another "good" team.

justapoolplayer
02-04-2008, 08:52 AM
I'm just tickled they got whooped so my Dolphin's record stayed untied or actually unbeaten if you count 3 more games played this year by the Patriots compared to the 1972 Dolphins.

Leonard is happy but not about this years Dolphins

amen, brother!

Dolphins 17-0:D
Pats 18-1:o

ironman
02-04-2008, 08:56 AM
My feelings exactly. I did the math, 62+(2007-1972)=87. Odds are the oppourtunity for perfection by anybody won't come up again in my lifetime. Too bad.
I personality thought it was a terrible game, 10 minutes of excitement doesn't make up for 50 miniutes of ineptitude by both sides.
I still hold out hope of seeing another '72 Dolphins, or the Steelers of the great years. A team that wins by grinding out the rushing yards instead of all this passing. Where is Franco Harris when you need him?

Franco was seen running to the sidelines. A habit he developed in Jr High School.

thebigdog
02-04-2008, 09:07 AM
are you on crack? Peyton is going to break every conceivable NFL record for quarterbacks before he's done. His winning percentage is incredible thus far and he has a super bowl title along with several division titles and individual accolades. That might be the single dumbest statement I've seen on here in a long time.

Peyton has had the best team in the league for many years over the last decade. He has choked in most of the big games he's played in. Including this year against the Chargers. Records have nothing to do with winning championships, just ask the Patriots!
As far as winning % goes, why don't you look at his post season winning %, its not that great.

corvette1340
02-04-2008, 09:24 AM
Peyton has had the best team in the league for many years over the last decade. He has choked in most of the big games he's played in. Including this year against the Chargers. Records have nothing to do with winning championships, just ask the Patriots!
As far as winning % goes, why don't you look at his post season winning %, its not that great.


He is 7-7 in the playoffs after going 0 for his first 3 when the Colts weren't that good. He has avg. 278 ypg with 21 TD against 17 Int. Oh, and a Super Bowl Championship year where he led his team from a huge defecit in the second half in the AFC Championship and then a defecit in the Super Bowl. I'm not even a Peyton fan but how in the hell can you call him a choker?

CocoboloCowboy
02-04-2008, 09:32 AM
NY shut down Brady, NE did not shut down Manning=NY won.http://www.geocities.com/cocobolocowboy/grouphug.gif

thebigdog
02-04-2008, 09:34 AM
He is 7-7 in the playoffs after going 0 for his first 3 when the Colts weren't that good. He has avg. 278 ypg with 21 TD against 17 Int. Oh, and a Super Bowl Championship year where he led his team from a huge defecit in the second half in the AFC Championship and then a defecit in the Super Bowl. I'm not even a Peyton fan but how in the hell can you call him a choker?

They were good when he was 0-3 in the playoffs. They had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James and Peyton Manning all those years. As for the year he did win the Super Bowl, Rex Grossman had just as much to do with it as Peyton.
Remember the year he choked against the Steelers when they were supposed to be one of the greatest teams of all time? How about a couple of weeks ago losing to the Chargers minus Rivers, L.T, and Gates at home? The Colts have had the best talent in the league for most of the last decade, it is totally ridulous that they only have 1 title. The window of oppurtunity is closing on them.

CocoboloCowboy
02-04-2008, 09:37 AM
Maybe both teams should have been under the threat of going to Irag in the US Army if they lost. Maybe NE would have played harder.

Friend played for the Marine Corp during the Viet Nam War, they were an exibition team, and if you did not give 110% effort on the field you lost your slot on the Team, and were shipped to NAM...

corvette1340
02-04-2008, 10:01 AM
They were good when he was 0-3 in the playoffs. They had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James and Peyton Manning all those years. As for the year he did win the Super Bowl, Rex Grossman had just as much to do with it as Peyton.
Remember the year he choked against the Steelers when they were supposed to be one of the greatest teams of all time? How about a couple of weeks ago losing to the Chargers minus Rivers, L.T, and Gates at home? The Colts have had the best talent in the league for most of the last decade, it is totally ridulous that they only have 1 title. The window of oppurtunity is closing on them.


lol, the Colts defense through the majority of Peyton's career has been absolutely horrible. Their offense has had to outscore the other team to have a chance. As for talent, they have had Harrison, Edgerrin (now Addai) and for the last few years Reggie Wayne. Freeney and Sanders can be seen as stars on the defense, but as far as talent goes, the Colts aren't anywhere near the top. Without Peyton, they would be average at best. The NFL is the toughest league in the world in any sport, where the worst team is capable of beating the best team on a given day. The playoffs are a microcosm of the entire season with the best teams in the league playing a sudden death format. Of course the better team is going to lose sometimes. I guess you consider Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino since he won a Super Bowl. The bottom line is this: Eli played good on 2 drives and played well in the playoffs. He had a prayer answered by David Tyree. He isn't half the quarterback that Peyton is.

Rick S.
02-04-2008, 10:08 AM
The patriots have had there fair share of calls. Dating back to the AFC Championship game....remember the 'tuck' rule' against the Raiders?

They were dead in the water up until that call. Then, they go on to win the superbowl.


That's when it all started.......


I'm glad the Giants won.

Rick S.

catscradle
02-04-2008, 10:53 AM
.... The NFL is the toughest league in the world in any sport, where the worst team is capable of beating the best team on a given day....

You might want to take a look at some of the world's soccer league, leagues like the English Premier League. The worse Team in div 1 gets relegated each year and the top team in the 2nd division moves up, every game is important. The games are generally decided by 1 or 2 goals. I think it more likely in soccer (or as they insist, football) for the last place team to upset the first place team. Not going to happen a lot, but more often than football.

BTW, I think it would be really cool if football did the same thing, that is relegation and promotion, as soccer. Then those last place teams would have a reason to play hard instead of hoping for the 1st round draft pick.

Williebetmore
02-04-2008, 11:07 AM
lol, the Colts defense through the majority of Peyton's career has been absolutely horrible.

Vette-man,
You are correct; that bigdog must not watch much football.

As a Colts fan I can tell you that they have NEVER had the "best team in the league". Their defense has been BAD (not just mediocre; always in the bottom 5 for most of each season). Last year (Super Bowl year), it was the WORST DEFENSE IN HISTORY.

I like Eli, but he was throwing up wounded ducks in the 4th quarter; that might happen to Peyton once a decade. No comparison between those 2 quarterbacks.

rogerb
02-04-2008, 11:11 AM
Great game , second only to the UT vs. USC BCS championship !!

stikapos
02-04-2008, 11:15 AM
For those Gints fans who had to endure the 1970 season, I'm happy that they received redemption. But to say that the Pats were less than spectacular this year is just insane. It look a super human effort and the most memorable catch in SB history by the Gints to beat them by 3 points.

tim

DrJ
02-04-2008, 11:25 AM
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thebigdog
02-04-2008, 11:30 AM
lol, the Colts defense through the majority of Peyton's career has been absolutely horrible. Their offense has had to outscore the other team to have a chance. As for talent, they have had Harrison, Edgerrin (now Addai) and for the last few years Reggie Wayne. Freeney and Sanders can be seen as stars on the defense, but as far as talent goes, the Colts aren't anywhere near the top. Without Peyton, they would be average at best. The NFL is the toughest league in the world in any sport, where the worst team is capable of beating the best team on a given day. The playoffs are a microcosm of the entire season with the best teams in the league playing a sudden death format. Of course the better team is going to lose sometimes. I guess you consider Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino since he won a Super Bowl. The bottom line is this: Eli played good on 2 drives and played well in the playoffs. He had a prayer answered by David Tyree. He isn't half the quarterback that Peyton is.

I guess you forgot all about those home playoff games where he tanked. How about the year that they played the Jets and got blown out 41-0, Peyton even got called out by the kicker for his lack of leadership. The next year he threw 4 int's in the loss to the Patriots. How about the year against the Steelers when the Colts went 14-2 in the regular season. Peyton played like crap for the first 3 quarters of the game and the Colts lost another playoff game on their home field. How about this year when they lost to the Chargers minus their best players on their home field. Again Peyton did not step up. You're right Peyton has one a Super Bowl, but he should have won about 3 by now.
As far as not having help, Freeney didn't just get there yeserday, he's been there since 2002. Reggie Wayne has been there since 2001, and Harrison has been there the whole time. He has also had either Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, or Joesph Addai his whole career. Marino never had any running backs close to their caliber. He has also been fortunate enough to have the same offensive coordinator his whole career. How many guys have ever had that situation? Bottom line, he has lost too many big games. I didn't even touch his college record.

DGunter
02-04-2008, 11:40 AM
Last I checked football was a team sport.

thebigdog
02-04-2008, 11:42 AM
Last I checked football was a team sport.

That's right, and he often leads his team into bad play in big games.

catscradle
02-04-2008, 11:43 AM
You can't win without a kicker...the Pats went for a 4th and 13 rather than going for a 49yd FG...unless their kicker was injured, either the Pats had no confidence in him or they just didn't give the guy a chance....
No confidence and he has earned that distinction.

thebigdog
02-04-2008, 11:45 AM
No confidence and he has earned that distinction.

Shouldn't have let Vinaterri go!

ShootingArts
02-04-2008, 11:50 AM
Deadpoked,

You posted quite a bit in that other thread after extending the so called olive branch. You have also read a lot into the post you just replied to here that wasn't there. There are hundreds of active posters on this forum. Of those hundreds there are maybe a dozen that I try to read every word they write for one reason or another. There are also quite a few with a full set of rep points and hundreds of posts or more that I never notice exist until they happen to get in a discussion with me.

You weren't and aren't a significant factor to me here. That isn't a slight, simply a fact. Over a thousand people have visited this forum today by noon. How many do you know by name? I truly didn't connect your post in a football thread with the smoking thread. If you think it is vile, full of animosity and obvious disdain to tell you that my world doesn't revolve around you perhaps you are the one with a problem.

I have casual encounters with many hundreds of people a year on various forums covering a wide range of subjects. Unless someone particularly impresses me for some reason they are just the same as a face in a crowd. I'm not foolish enough to think that everyone I talk to remembers me either and I certainly don't feel slighted if they don't.

Hu

Hu I extended the olive branch to you in the Smoking thread by saying thank you for the spirited debate and to have a great week. I remained civil after our discourse.

I thought it would be quite apparent that the above post was said in jest, but you came back with this vile post which is filled with nothing but animosity and obvious disdain for me. I won't even begin to debate your "facts" because that would obviously falls on deaf ears.

Please don't get me confused though. I will call someone out if I think they are saying and/or doing the wrong things on this forum. As it should be done by everyone. I just don't understand you launching into your tirade for my post quoted above.

Maybe you are having a bad week. Hope things start looking up for you, Sir. :)

catscradle
02-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Shouldn't have let Vinaterri go!

You're preaching to the converted.:)

DGunter
02-04-2008, 12:18 PM
Disagree...each team mate is responsible for their own play and the integration of those teammates is what makes a team. How exactly is a qb suppose to inspire his defense to not cough up 41 pts? How exactly is a qb suppose to lead his receivers into not dropping balls? Peyton shoulders the blame for throwing 4 ints against the Pats. Peyton shoulders the blame for two ints and incompletions that can be reasonably considered to be his fault. All that "stepping up and leading" stuff is alot of ESPN babble that has no purpose other than getting people wanting to read and article in my opinion. Of course to each his own.

Hail Mary Shot
02-04-2008, 01:50 PM
sounds kinda bizzarre, but do you know that most of the PAT's wins and tie-to-win came from a FG kick, including the ones that counted the most? I believe the FG kick was intrumental to the PAT's 2 SUPERBOWL titles, the one that I remembered was the one against the RAMS with Marshall Faulk in their lineup. a tied score that was decided by a FG kick by the PATS in the remaining 2 secs.

jimmy-leggs
02-04-2008, 02:00 PM
I knew that PATS were going to lose when it was 4th and 14........AND THEY WENT FOR IT.LOLOL.BONEHEAD MOVE.:eek:

EDRJR
02-04-2008, 02:14 PM
Anybody know what cue he uses?:eek:

thebigdog
02-04-2008, 03:20 PM
Vette-man,
You are correct; that bigdog must not watch much football.

As a Colts fan I can tell you that they have NEVER had the "best team in the league". Their defense has been BAD (not just mediocre; always in the bottom 5 for most of each season). Last year (Super Bowl year), it was the WORST DEFENSE IN HISTORY.

I like Eli, but he was throwing up wounded ducks in the 4th quarter; that might happen to Peyton once a decade. No comparison between those 2 quarterbacks.

So you are saying they didn't have the best team in 2005? The year they went 14-2 and much of the year they were being compared to the best teams of all time like the Pats this year? How about last year, they weren't the best last year either? I know what you are saying about their defense, but there defense was not bad in the playoffs last year, they were actually very good in the post season. I don't know about you, but that looks like they had the best team in the league 2 of the last 3 years right there. This year they had a lot of injuries, had they not had all the injuries they would have had the most talent in the NFL again. I don't know why, as a Colt fan, you don't admit this. Bottom line, Peyton is 7-7 in his post season career, he has had some terrific talent around him but has had some miserable playoff performances. His brother has stepped up and played better in the big games.
I do believe Peyton has much more talent than any other QB in the league. He also has the benefit of only having one offensvie coordinator his whole career, which is totallly unheard of. He has also had Marvin Harrison his whole career, and Reggie Wayne since 2001. His has some excellent TE's as well. He also had Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, and Joesph Addai in the backfield. Not to mention he has always had an outstanding O-line and has rarely been sacked thru his career. All these factors should have equated to more than one Super Bowl by now. Peyton and Harrison aren't getting any younger and they've blown some great chances up to this point, I don't know how many more chances they will have.

corvette1340
02-04-2008, 07:01 PM
So you are saying they didn't have the best team in 2005? The year they went 14-2 and much of the year they were being compared to the best teams of all time like the Pats this year? How about last year, they weren't the best last year either? I know what you are saying about their defense, but there defense was not bad in the playoffs last year, they were actually very good in the post season. I don't know about you, but that looks like they had the best team in the league 2 of the last 3 years right there. This year they had a lot of injuries, had they not had all the injuries they would have had the most talent in the NFL again. I don't know why, as a Colt fan, you don't admit this. Bottom line, Peyton is 7-7 in his post season career, he has had some terrific talent around him but has had some miserable playoff performances. His brother has stepped up and played better in the big games.
I do believe Peyton has much more talent than any other QB in the league. He also has the benefit of only having one offensvie coordinator his whole career, which is totallly unheard of. He has also had Marvin Harrison his whole career, and Reggie Wayne since 2001. His has some excellent TE's as well. He also had Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, and Joesph Addai in the backfield. Not to mention he has always had an outstanding O-line and has rarely been sacked thru his career. All these factors should have equated to more than one Super Bowl by now. Peyton and Harrison aren't getting any younger and they've blown some great chances up to this point, I don't know how many more chances they will have.


So, Indy supposedly had the best team 2 of the last 3 years, correct? In one of those years they lost to the ultimate Super Bowl champion and the other they won the Super Bowl. New England had the best team this year and they didn't win it. I think San Diego had the best team last year and they didn't win it. The Rams had the best team for 3 years straight in the early part of the decade and they won it once. The playoffs are filled with good teams and parity. The fact that Indy won it once in the two years you say they were the best is pretty damn good, and mostly was because of Peyton.

1pocket
02-04-2008, 07:16 PM
...But to say that the Pats were less than spectacular this year is just insane. It look a super human effort and the most memorable catch in SB history by the Giants to beat them by 3 points.

timThank you. The Giant's pass rush should have collectively got the MVP -- they absolutely hounded Brady all game so he almost never got more than one quick look down field before he got hammered. Those were the guys that really made the difference in the game, in my humble opinion...:)

Ktown D
02-04-2008, 07:41 PM
He is 7-7 in the playoffs after going 0 for his first 3 when the Colts weren't that good. He has avg. 278 ypg with 21 TD against 17 Int. Oh, and a Super Bowl Championship year where he led his team from a huge defecit in the second half in the AFC Championship and then a defecit in the Super Bowl. I'm not even a Peyton fan but how in the hell can you call him a choker?
And he is a hell a lot of fun to drink beer and judge a bikini contest with.:D

D<--hung out in the same places as Uber-Manning for a while. I have a few stories that won't make SportsCenter.....

Ktown D
02-04-2008, 07:42 PM
So, Indy supposedly had the best team 2 of the last 3 years, correct? In one of those years they lost to the ultimate Super Bowl champion and the other they won the Super Bowl. New England had the best team this year and they didn't win it. I think San Diego had the best team last year and they didn't win it. The Rams had the best team for 3 years straight in the early part of the decade and they won it once. The playoffs are filled with good teams and parity. The fact that Indy won it once in the two years you say they were the best is pretty damn good, and mostly was because of Peyton.
T,

Don't try to argue with people who have agendas. You will never win outright and you will run yourself ragged trying.

B_White
02-04-2008, 08:05 PM
The Superbowl was the biggest FLUKE in sports history.

Ktown D
02-04-2008, 08:09 PM
The Superbowl was the biggest FLUKE in sports history.
Sounds like you bet the Pats Brian.

D<-- bet the Giants and the under:)

pwd72s
02-04-2008, 08:22 PM
Boston police today reported finding a body in the Charles River.

The victim apparently drowned due to excessive alcohol consumption.

He was described as wearing black fishnet stockings, a red garter belt, a pink wig, a strap-on dildo, a Patriot's jersey, and had a cucumber stuffed up his rear.

The police graciously removed the Patriot's jersey to spare the family unnecessary embarrassment.

DeadPoked
02-04-2008, 08:23 PM
Boston police today reported finding a body in the Charles River.

The victim apparently drowned due to excessive alcohol consumption.

He was described as wearing black fishnet stockings, a red garter belt, a pink wig, a strap-on dildo, a Patriot's jersey, and had a cucumber stuffed up his rear.

The police graciously removed the Patriot's jersey to spare the family unnecessary embarrassment.

Ohhhhh that's just wrong on so many levels. Rep to you of course.

Ktown D
02-04-2008, 08:23 PM
Boston police today reported finding a body in the Charles River.

The victim apparently drowned due to excessive alcohol consumption.

He was described as wearing black fishnet stockings, a red garter belt, a pink wig, a strap-on dildo, a Patriot's jersey, and had a cucumber stuffed up his rear.

The police graciously removed the Patriot's jersey to spare the family unnecessary embarrassment.
:D :D :eek: :eek: :D

B_White
02-04-2008, 08:26 PM
Sounds like you bet the Pats Brian.

D<-- bet the Giants and the under:)
Nah, just wanted to see something that hasn't happened since iv'e been alive.

pwd72s
02-04-2008, 08:30 PM
Confession...I stole it...an email from a NY friend. Don't know who he stole it from. :D

Ktown D
02-04-2008, 08:57 PM
Confession...I stole it...an email from a NY friend. Don't know who he stole it from. :D
Then I take my rep back you thieving piece of.......

pwd72s
02-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Hey, the writer's strike is on...thought folks here would enjoy a laugh...:)