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MinoInADixeCup
03-18-2008, 01:00 PM
Ok, this have been going on for years and I've been playing on this league on and off for over 12 years now, basically since it started. The people complaining have been playing for about half that time or less.

I play on an in-house handicapped league and there are about 3 teams that are trying to get me kicked off. There is no doubt that I'm the strongest player on this league, I'm not bragging, it's just a fact. I put significantly more effort into my game then anyone else who plays on that league, so it's not a surprise.

My average is currently 50 out of a possible 54, the next highest behind me is at 48 and the league average is around 42. Their primary complaint is that it's not fun to play me because they always lose to me. I really wish I was joking about that, but it's the truth. I've had the same irritating conversation about 4 times in the last couple years, it basically goes like this.

Them: What do you get out of playing on this league?

Me: I'm hanging out with some of my best friends, drinking beer, and engaging in my favorite activity, playing pool.

Them: Do you think it's fun for other people on the league who have to play you?

Me: Honestly, it's not my responsibility to make sure that other people on the league have a good time.

Them: that's a pretty sh***Y attitude to have.

Me: Why? Are you going to let another team win some games because they are having a bad night and are not having a good time?

We then go round and round over the same points until they walk away, usually pissed.

The biggest problem with the league is that it gives points for balls made. As I'm sure most of us know, that is the worst possible way to think about 8 ball. Anyone who walks away from an 8 ball game with 2 balls left on the table and somehow feels like he lost less then someone who left 5 balls on the table doesn't have a clue about how the game should be played.

It's gotten so irritating that I've decided to play left handed next session (I'm right handed and can't run 3 balls left handed). It's something I've been thinking about doing for awhile because I think it will give me an advantage being at least slightly proficient shooting left handed.

Sorry for the length, I've just needed to get that out for awhile now.

bigskyjake
03-18-2008, 01:09 PM
Ok, this have been going on for years and I've been playing on this league on and off for over 12 years now, basically since it started. The people complaining have been playing for about half that time or less.

I play on an in-house handicapped league and there are about 3 teams that are trying to get me kicked off. There is no doubt that I'm the strongest player on this league, I'm not bragging, it's just a fact. I put significantly more effort into my game then anyone else who plays on that league, so it's not a surprise.

My average is currently 50 out of a possible 54, the next highest behind me is at 48 and the league average is around 42. Their primary complaint is that it's not fun to play me because they always lose to me. I really wish I was joking about that, but it's the truth. I've had the same irritating conversation about 4 times in the last couple years, it basically goes like this.

Them: What do you get out of playing on this league?

Me: I'm hanging out with some of my best friends, drinking beer, and engaging in my favorite activity, playing pool.

Them: Do you think it's fun for other people on the league who have to play you?

Me: Honestly, it's not my responsibility to make sure that other people on the league have a good time.

Them: that's a pretty sh***Y attitude to have.

Me: Why? Are you going to let another team win some games because they are having a bad night and are not having a good time?

We then go round and round over the same points until they walk away, usually pissed.

The biggest problem with the league is that it gives points for balls made. As I'm sure most of us know, that is the worst possible way to think about 8 ball. Anyone who walks away from an 8 ball game with 2 balls left on the table and somehow feels like he lost less then someone who left 5 balls on the table doesn't have a clue about how the game should be played.

It's gotten so irritating that I've decided to play left handed next session (I'm right handed and can't run 3 balls left handed). It's something I've been thinking about doing for awhile because I think it will give me an advantage being at least slightly proficient shooting left handed.

Sorry for the length, I've just needed to get that out for awhile now.

If you think they're pissed now just wait til you beat one of them while playing left handed.

MinoInADixeCup
03-18-2008, 01:12 PM
If you think they're pissed now just wait til you beat one of them while playing left handed.

ACK!!:eek: I didn't think of that.

Actually, they won't mind as long as they get 3 to 4 tries at the table which is what most of them need to get out.

lodini
03-18-2008, 01:14 PM
I personally don't understand why people have this attitude. I have played on leagues that allowed pros, and I always loved going up against them. Even though it was a fair certaintly that I would "lose" in the end... I always felt that I gained so much by going head to head with someone that much better than me.

TXsouthpaw
03-18-2008, 01:19 PM
I just started playing in my first league that does the handicap by how many balls u have left on the table. I feel ur pain, that is total crap. pool is a zero sum game, either u win or lose no in the middle bs.

MinoInADixeCup
03-18-2008, 01:21 PM
I personally don't understand why people have this attitude. I have played on leagues that allowed pros, and I always loved going up against them. Even though it was a fair certaintly that I would "lose" in the end... I always felt that I gained so much by going head to head with someone that much better than me.

I probably should have added that most of them have no interest in ever getting better or in playing on a tougher league.

lodini
03-18-2008, 01:25 PM
I probably should have added that most of them have no interest in ever getting better or in playing on a tougher league.
Ahhhh, very valuable info:p Now I definitely understand why they don't like you:D :p :D :p ;)

Just kidding, of course!

mosconiac
03-18-2008, 01:32 PM
I probably should have added that most of them have no interest in ever getting better or in playing on a tougher league.
I look at your situation from a different direction...I would think you would have an interest in playing on a tougher league. If you are as steadfastly interested in improving as you state you are that league is a waste of time. JMO

cigardave
03-18-2008, 01:38 PM
I had the same problem in an 8-ball league I was formerly in (I was also a league officer for ~8 years). I have since moved on to a 9-ball league.

A little background... the 8-ball league was a corporate league and was handicapped... but not on an individual basis. Each team had four players... an "A", a "B", a "C" and a "D" player... their rating based on their winning % from the previous sessions in the league. Team makeups were determined by a random draw. It was a cash league ($20 sign-up + $5/night... not a lot of money involved... no green fees... ~95% went back to the players.. 5% split between the treasurer and the secretary, who kept the stats and scheduling). Payouts at the end of each session were determined by team ranking. The payout was fairly flat. All teams won money. Each team split their money evenly between the four players. It was a good league.

What seemed to be the gripe was we also paid out the Top Ten shooters... based on individual winning % ($70 to the top shooter... and down to $20 for top shooter #10). I was consistently in the top three. Some players complained about that. They wanted to eliminate the Top Ten because they couldn't make it. I told 'em to put in the practice time and make it one of their goals. That's what I did. I also told them that they're wasting their energy... they should be using it to gain knowledge and experience about the game. Read books... watch tapes and DVDs. Invest in your game and you will be rewarded.

They didn't get it.

Blackjack
03-18-2008, 01:44 PM
If playing in this league is not challenging enough for you - then stop playing in it. Instead, start playing in tournaments that have players that are at or above your level. Obviously, there is nothing more for you to prove in this league - so move forward.

Willy_BadDream
03-18-2008, 01:46 PM
I alway's love to play the best. Normally lose, But it's ok with me if I learn something.


Always play to Win!

Willy

cigardave
03-18-2008, 01:47 PM
You know, another argument to present to them is... until you are #1 in this league there will always be someone in that #1 position who will be beating you consistently until your game improves.

Firecracker
03-18-2008, 01:50 PM
I once played on an all-girls league that the majority of players had the same attitude as the players in your league. They wanted to go out with their friends, play pool, and drink. It wasn't just me that they wanted to kick off, it was my whole team. They also wanted to win...they couldn't do that playing against our team. That would have required improving there own games when all they wanted was a social club.

I only played one and a half seasons in that league since it was on bar-boxes. It was good money but not worth the headache of playing against most of those girls. Fortunately, there are lots of other leagues in my area and I was able to move into a league that encourages competition.

SpiderWebComm
03-18-2008, 01:53 PM
My opinion:

Give the little nits their little league back, refuse to play in it ever again, and just show up and drink beer--- and don't play.

If anyone needs help with their game, tell them you don't give lessons...

Go somewhere where you're challenged. Personally, if someone doesn't have "fun" when they lose to a better player, they better pick a different game because it happens ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the time. If beating someone who shoots through their knuckles makes them have fun.... BAHAHAHHA, perfect.

Jude Rosenstock
03-18-2008, 02:03 PM
This is an underlying problem with leagues throughout America and it's also what lead to the formation of Amsterdam Billiards' BCA Team 9-ball chapter which is all-inclusive.

Seriously, I think it's absolutely horrible that amateur pool organizations put a cap on ability so that beginners are protected. I understand businesses are trying to draw from the largest level of the "ability pyramid" but people have to understand this pyramid's beauty is not seen at its base but at its apex.

Amsterdam Billiards' Team 9-ball league has allowed professionals to play since the beginning and it's only help make the chapter arguably the strongest in the country. Last year, we sent a little over 50 individuals to Las Vegas to compete in the nationals. Of the two dozen events that took place, four of those events featured Amsterdam league members in the finals.

Had the league excluded professionals, many of the better amateurs would likely have lost interest. Now, in its tenth year, the league is at its largest membership with 34 teams and continues to grow year after year.

TheBook
03-18-2008, 09:06 PM
I would tell them that the reason I am playing is I want to have a 54 point average and then see how drunk I can get and still maintain it.

Koopa
03-18-2008, 09:41 PM
I say you just show up tournament nights and get rip-roaring drunk. Start heckling and cause a scene.

But really, I could understand why they'd want you out. It encourages new players to join a league when they can get up and take the cash without much ability. I've seen that in leagues before and that's why I've never invested myself in one. (I'm not a great player, I'm just against that attitude.)

It's discouraging for someone who's just started playing to get beaten into the ground by some serious talent every week. Personally, I took about 5 weeks worth of humiliation in a weekly tournament from one particular pro and I loved how much I learned from it.

stick8
03-18-2008, 09:47 PM
Ok, this have been going on for years and I've been playing on this league on and off for over 12 years now, basically since it started. The people complaining have been playing for about half that time or less.

I play on an in-house handicapped league and there are about 3 teams that are trying to get me kicked off. There is no doubt that I'm the strongest player on this league, I'm not bragging, it's just a fact. I put significantly more effort into my game then anyone else who plays on that league, so it's not a surprise.

My average is currently 50 out of a possible 54, the next highest behind me is at 48 and the league average is around 42. Their primary complaint is that it's not fun to play me because they always lose to me. I really wish I was joking about that, but it's the truth. I've had the same irritating conversation about 4 times in the last couple years, it basically goes like this.

Them: What do you get out of playing on this league?

Me: I'm hanging out with some of my best friends, drinking beer, and engaging in my favorite activity, playing pool.

Them: Do you think it's fun for other people on the league who have to play you?

Me: Honestly, it's not my responsibility to make sure that other people on the league have a good time.

Them: that's a pretty sh***Y attitude to have.

Me: Why? Are you going to let another team win some games because they are having a bad night and are not having a good time?

We then go round and round over the same points until they walk away, usually pissed.

The biggest problem with the league is that it gives points for balls made. As I'm sure most of us know, that is the worst possible way to think about 8 ball. Anyone who walks away from an 8 ball game with 2 balls left on the table and somehow feels like he lost less then someone who left 5 balls on the table doesn't have a clue about how the game should be played.

It's gotten so irritating that I've decided to play left handed next session (I'm right handed and can't run 3 balls left handed). It's something I've been thinking about doing for awhile because I think it will give me an advantage being at least slightly proficient shooting left handed.

Sorry for the length, I've just needed to get that out for awhile now.
quit pool league and drink more beer!!! or go on the road!!!make new friends. because you say to hang out with friends and drink beer, are they your friends that talk to you like that???:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

softshot
03-18-2008, 11:50 PM
I have the opposite problem. I want to move our team up a level to the top league to play against stronger competition. and my team is against me on that. I like these guys they are all competent run out threats. I think stronger opposition will make us better.. they want to get better but don't want to lose any games in the process.. an unattainable goal IMO.

I think both of our problems boil down to ego and fear of losing tonight...completely disregarding long term benefits.

IMO... NO ONE.. gets good at pool playing by themselves.. you need better players.. you need a top dog to gun for..

that kind of applies to both them and you... if they pay attention and make beating you a goal. many will achieve it. and raise their game in the process.

Is the challenge really there for you anymore? I for one would quickly grow bored playing competition that is vastly beneath me.. however I get that you want to stay with your team. and thats cool .. as long as you are also playing better players than yourself on a regular basis in order to keep your own game from slipping..

good luck.

MinoInADixeCup
03-19-2008, 05:48 AM
I look at your situation from a different direction...I would think you would have an interest in playing on a tougher league. If you are as steadfastly interested in improving as you state you are that league is a waste of time. JMO

If playing in this league is not challenging enough for you - then stop playing in it. Instead, start playing in tournaments that have players that are at or above your level. Obviously, there is nothing more for you to prove in this league - so move forward.


You're absolutely right, and I do play in 3 other leagues that are much tougher then the one under discussion and a monday night tournament that I regulary get my butt kicked. I have a great time in those even if I'm only rated average to above average. There is one guy on the tournament that I love to play even though I've never beaten him. When he is on, he moves the cue ball around the table with such an effortless ease and never seems to be out of shape.

There are a couple other leagues or tournaments that I could play on Wednesday night, but after working 8 to 9 hours, I'm just not up to driving an hour from work and then 45 minutes to get home at 10 pm or later if it's a tournament. The bar I play at is 30 minutes from work during rush hour and 15 minutes from home after the league is over.

catscradle
03-19-2008, 05:56 AM
If playing in this league is not challenging enough for you - then stop playing in it. Instead, start playing in tournaments that have players that are at or above your level. Obviously, there is nothing more for you to prove in this league - so move forward.

That only works if 9-ball is the game you like to play. Sounds like he is an 8-ball guy.

MinoInADixeCup
03-19-2008, 06:04 AM
I would tell them that the reason I am playing is I want to have a 54 point average and then see how drunk I can get and still maintain it.

LOL, getting that drunk gets expensive, then there is the hassle of getting your car the next morning, not to mention the hangovers......:D

J/K, I do drink more on that league and I fire at shots I would never consider trying on the other leagues I play on. The problem is, when they go in, I usually go out and give them a 2 or 3 (1 point per ball, 2 on the 8) and if they don't go in, the guy coming in often can't get out even with a wide open table and 4 balls left.

I don't know, maybe I should just stop playing on it and get my own table to practice on while the league is going on and then play with my friends afterward. It's either that or shoot left handed.

MinoInADixeCup
03-19-2008, 06:09 AM
That only works if 9-ball is the game you like to play. Sounds like he is an 8-ball guy.

The leagues are all 8 ball, but I'm a better 9 ball player, I just don't enjoy 9 ball as much. If I could find a straight pool league or 1 pocket league, then a longer drive wouldn't bother me as much.

Thanks for all the input guys and gals.

hang-the-9
03-19-2008, 06:24 AM
I probably should have added that most of them have no interest in ever getting better or in playing on a tougher league.

This is an issue with many "pool players". I have seen some younger kids in my pool room start out almost as total beginners, after a few months of watching and practicing, they can run some balls and have learned the "right" way of getting around the table. Those people enter the local tournament sometimes and play in the league to do well and test themselves.

There are also several people who play almost daily that have played at the same level because they play the same people who are just as bad as they are, don't learn from the better players, and don't seem to care about improving, yet complain when they miss or get beat. Those same people also like to have a new stick every other week. Go figure.

I say just play your game, I don't get why somene would want to win even though you let them instead of actually beating you. No satisfaction in that.