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fan-tum
03-20-2008, 08:04 AM
Inspired by Berlowmj's thread about glasses, I'd like to ask glasses wearers if they play better with specs than without. For one, I play exactly the same. Of course my vision(nearsighted) needs only slight correction. And this post is mainly directed to those who need specs for watching t.v, driving, etc.

Randy9Ball
03-20-2008, 08:12 AM
Having to adjust to wearing glasses while shooting pool has been torture on my game to say the least. I ended up getting some glasses designed specifically for playing pool (both Dycots and a pair by Gordon Harrison in Canada). I like the glasses by Gordon the best as they are more comfortable. However, I still hate playing with glasses.

Like most people, I think having good vision at the table is a prerequisite to good shooting. Especially on the big tables with long shots and extreme cut shots. However, I have read that the late great Steve Mizerak had poor eyesight and he played without glasses. Go figure. There have been discussions about this topic in other threads on this forum. You may want to do a search.

whitewolf
03-20-2008, 09:07 AM
Inspired by Berlowmj's thread about glasses, I'd like to ask glasses wearers if they play better with specs than without. For one, I play exactly the same. Of course my vision(nearsighted) needs only slight correction. And this post is mainly directed to those who need specs for watching t.v, driving, etc.

No, it is not overrated, at least for people with terrible vision.

I could only see the big letter on the chart and my glasses made the balls like TINY, and I shot like sh!t wearing them.

Contacts and then laser vision surgery gave me progressively better corrections.

StevenPWaldon
03-20-2008, 09:19 AM
Depends on the person, I think. There's a guy a play with regularly, Frank. When we start a set, he always tosses the coin, I call it in the air, and it lands... then he asks, "What is it?" Without glasses on, the man can't see to save his life. All the balls look fuzzy to him, but they manage to find a pocket regardless.

Me on the other hand, I don't play as well when I my vision is uncorrected (glasses/contacts). But surprisingly, I don't play too terribly when I don't have them in. I'm very near-sighted and can only focus 8-10 inches away from my eyes. Everything after that is a blur. When I first tried shooting without contacts/glasses, I was surprised that I was able to pocket balls decently without being able to see. So much of my game is based around angles and "feel" anyway, so I never have used a contact point to focus on when lining up or stroking.

catscradle
03-20-2008, 09:41 AM
Inspired by Berlowmj's thread about glasses, I'd like to ask glasses wearers if they play better with specs than without. For one, I play exactly the same. Of course my vision(nearsighted) needs only slight correction. And this post is mainly directed to those who need specs for watching t.v, driving, etc.

Definitely not over-rated. With the right Rx I can cut shots with the best of them... without them I'd better be within a foot of the pocket and about the same distance cueball to object ball.

steev
03-20-2008, 10:18 AM
Vision is pretty dang important. As one of the lucky ones (20/10), I can tell you the advantage is sizeable. I've played with a lot of people with different vision, and sometimes I feel like I'm cheating, especially on 9' tables.

<knocks on wood> I hope I never find out what it's like to wear glasses...

-s

axejunkie
03-20-2008, 10:30 AM
I'm about 20/25 with my contacts and honestly feel it doesn't affect my game. My eyes seem sensitive to light so sometimes when a ball is in the middle of the table and the light shines right on it, it can throw me off.

I do have trouble with long shots due to poor lighting, i.e. shooting the 6 ball on green cloth when it's near the rail. But to me that's a light issue not sight issue.

catpool9
03-20-2008, 10:57 AM
Well I'll take good vision over bad anyday, when I was in my 20's I had 20/10 vision, in my 30's 20/15, now i'm 49 and have 20/20 vision and thats considered perfect vision, although I don't need glasses, I fell as if I'm Blind now!.....( don't have that real "Crisp Clear" sight picture that I once had )

....some older pool players that wear glasses have told me that they use the reflection (of the light's) off the light's, on the object ball, to get a good reference point of aim for long shots, .....

.....I've tried this just to see what they were talking about, and it seemed to work to a certain degree.



David Harcrow

stikapos
03-20-2008, 11:03 AM
Important, yes, but your eyes don't give you a stroke.....

tim

cigardave
03-20-2008, 11:19 AM
IMO, excellent vision is an advantage... especially on thin cuts... and even more so, those that are short to the OB, long to the hole shots... where the cut angle has to be damn near perfect to make the ball. On those, I'll typically put on my pool glasses.

Dead Money
03-20-2008, 11:30 AM
is good vision overrated?

Yes. Everyone knows that in their prime Hellen Keller and Ray Charles were stone cold killers on the pool table.

MBTaylor
03-20-2008, 11:45 AM
Vision is hugely important whether you have naturally good vision, lens corrected vision or Lasik.

Personally, I can't see a damn thing without my glasses. I don't think I would make 1 out of 10 straight in shots without my glasses...lol

Flipmode
03-20-2008, 11:49 AM
Vision is hugely important whether you have naturally good vision, lens corrected vision or Lasik.

Personally, I can't see a damn thing without my glasses. I don't think I would make 1 out of 10 straight in shots without my glasses...lol

So how is that different from when you do have your glasses on? :D

pwd72s
03-20-2008, 11:51 AM
IMO, excellent vision is an advantage... especially on thin cuts... and even more so, those that are short to the OB, long to the hole shots... where the cut angle has to be damn near perfect to make the ball. On those, I'll typically put on my pool glasses.


I can't argue with that...I'm 20-400 in both eyes without glasses. Glasses correct, but things look farther away to me than people with good vision...instead of 9'...a table looks more like 12' to me...

Still, I play...as a casual banger, simply because it's fun to do so...no pretentions of becoming a top level player.

Oh...I have a pair of Decot Hi-Wydes...at least now I can look through lenses when I get down to shoot.

catpool9
03-20-2008, 12:54 PM
Yes. Everyone knows that in their prime Hellen Keller and Ray Charles were stone cold killers on the pool table.

HeHe, that was Funny!, I liked that one!:D



David Harcrow

Josh Palmer
03-20-2008, 01:01 PM
HeHe, that was Funny!, I liked that one!:D



David Harcrow


haha.. you're good peeps Dave. I just had an eye test, and was afraid I was going to fail it! Guess what? 20/13 in both eyes!!! My vision didn't seem that clear to me. I know it was damned good in my 20's. It's the floaters that tire my eyes out. Anyhow, hopefully lasik is an option when they do get worse than 20/20

TheBook
03-20-2008, 01:39 PM
I never had to wear glasses until I got into my 50's. There were a pain at first but now I feel incomplete without them. Sure it would be nice not to have to wear them but that is how it is.

I don't feel that they affect my aiming or shooting, but I can always have a excuse when I miss.:D

As Clint Eastwood said in Heartbreak Ridge "You have to adapt."

wincardona
03-20-2008, 03:11 PM
Good vision in my opinion is crucial to get the most from your game. I'm 64 years old and have a little below average vision,at one time I had excellent vision and it enabled me to play the game much better with more confidence. When I was able to see the balls well I not only pocketed more balls but I also had much better controll of the cue ball in both direction,and more importantly,speed of the cue ball. Reason ,anytime you are confident where you are going to strike the object ball ,you will then be able to feel the angle and the speed of the shot,in terms of position play. You can only rely on so much when your guessing and playing general direction. Of coarse that comes from my personal experience. At 64 I can still beat any female playing onepocket,nine ball is another stoty,that yet hasn't been unraveled.

nympfisher
03-20-2008, 08:29 PM
i wear bifocals,, i cannot shoot with them on because i get very low on the cue, i have tried a straighter posture but im so use to the low stance i would have to relearn everything.
anything over 4 foot i see double without them on so most people have learned to leave me long when possible.i still play pretty well but not great.
i have thought about lasik in right eye.. thats the bad one, but kinda expensive.
where can i find those glasses yall have spoke of ?
can you post a pic of them ?
do you buy the frames and have the lens made ?

sorry for being long winded,
carl

blackeee
03-20-2008, 09:46 PM
Good vision is NOT overated. I had 20-20 with my contacs and for some dumb reason decided to have laser surgery. Now I have to wear glasses{can't wear contacs anymore} and cannot see the edge of the ball. I am 61 and that probably has a little to do with it.

Ltldebbie
03-20-2008, 09:58 PM
Good vision is NOT overated. I had 20-20 with my contacs and for some dumb reason decided to have laser surgery. Now I have to wear glasses{can't wear contacs anymore} and cannot see the edge of the ball. I am 61 and that probably has a little to do with it.

I agree...Good vision is a must in pool. Ya can't play by sonar, or intuition.
I miss just being able to pick up a newspaper or book. Let alone try to read directions without readers & a huge madnifying glass. I had a physical yesterday and couldn't see which way the E's point after the fourth line down.

How important is confidence to shot making and stroke?? Its hard to be confident when you can't see. I have soooo much wasted knowledge of the game and so little shot making ability. It's a biatch getting old. That's why they have Masters (meaning old guys & gals like me). Some people call it the seniors division but i just can't say that yet.

powerlineman80
03-20-2008, 10:03 PM
I had to take heavy steroid treatments and they really messed with my vision while on them, and it absolutely killed my game. When I tried to focus on the object ball there was 3 of them and I couldnt make one of them. I would have been lucky to honestly make 2 balls in a row. Took another two months after the two months of pills before I could see straight again. I almost gave up pool because of it.

deadwhak
03-20-2008, 10:16 PM
i used to play with contacts and i played pretty decent about 10 years ago..now i try to play with glasses..its hard..they keep sliding down on my face and i have to keep pushin up..tried getting adjusted, different glasses, doesnt help..for me i see better with glasses but play better with contacts..tried contacts again a few weeks ago but smoke in pool halls just cant take it anymore..never bothered me before but for some reason now it does..frustrating...

8ballEinstein
03-20-2008, 10:29 PM
It was said that Ralph Greenleaf had excellent vision. On the other hand, Eddie Taylor supposedly had poor vision.

A few years ago, I had to get glasses for driving and to read the computer screen. When I tried to play pool with them, I had a real hard time. The balls looked slightly oval to me. I told my eye doc about this. I brought in a ball and we tried a few adjustments but couldn't get it dialed in. My doctor suggested I play with the glasses on until I get used to them. I've since decided not to play with them on. Although I don't have sharp vision, I am getting by with "relative" vision. Positions of the balls are seen relative to the known table and pocket dimensions.

What I found out was that good eye sight plays second fiddle to an accurate stroke. Seeing where I want to hit is only good if I can consistently get the cue ball there. I know people will argue the exact opposite but if most people are looking for weaknesses in their game, I believe the first place to look is in their stroke.