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Matt90
04-27-2008, 12:17 AM
Which pro has the best all around attitude when they win or lose
a match ? Last week I got to see a good tournament and noticed
how some people handle winning and losing . I think Tommy Kennedy
has a good attitude at the table he seemed to be able to laugh it
off and keep focused well .Who else get a vote ?

PoolBum
04-27-2008, 01:20 AM
That man who just won the World 8-Ball Championship has a great attitude and is a consummate professional.

Paul Juarez
04-27-2008, 01:40 AM
My vote goes to Dave Hemmah. Great attitude!

Jimmy M.
04-27-2008, 01:42 AM
At the risk of being one of the guys always saying "Efren" every time a thread containing a question along the lines of "which pro do you think ...", he'd be one of the first to come to mind here.

mullyman
04-27-2008, 03:00 AM
Earl. Definitely Earl.
MULLY

JAM
04-27-2008, 03:15 AM
This thread reminds me of the IPT Vegas tournament. There was one European player who shall remain nameless, but I really like this guy. He is a good friend of my boyfriend's, too.

He was doing well in the tournament, and we were really pulling for him. The day before the finals, he was upbeat and had the right winning spirit. We went to cheer him on.

The match was a nail-biter, and the poor fellow lost. The expression on his face said it all. We tried to comfort him, but he was a man of few words. As soon as we all loaded up the elevator to depart the ballroom, he couldn't hold back his emotions anymore, and the tears rolled down his face. He really, really, really wanted that win. I had never seen anyone take it this hard before.

The next day, he was out on the casino floor, smiling and laughing, and all was good! :)

Players who accept defeat gracefully that I have seen are: Both Tonys (Robles and Crosby), Tommy Kennedy, Gypsy, Jerry Slivka, Mike Zuglan, Joe Tucker, Michael Coltrain, Santos, and Luc Salvas, just to name a few.

JAM

mullyman
04-27-2008, 04:15 AM
Tommy Kennedy has got to be the most mild mannered person out there.
MULLY
Earl loses gracefully...........when it's against Efren.

Southpaw
04-27-2008, 04:15 AM
Mike Davis.

Southpaw

hilla_hilla
04-27-2008, 04:21 AM
I could think of several players: Mike Davis, Dave Hemmah, Tony Robles, Dan Louie, Tommy Kennedy, Jimmy Mendoza

tonmo
04-27-2008, 05:28 AM
JAM, that is an interesting story. I don't play anywhere near pro-level, and don't compete beyond a neighborhood "pool night" club in my basement, but in reading your post it strikes me that the pressure involved with shooting lights-out pool on a consistent basis must be enormous. I've disparaged Earl's attitude in past posts, but when you consider some of what he's demonstrated, the unfortunate Fabio incident in Valley Forge, and the story you relay here (plus there was another told on an episode of Run-Out Radio, concerning Ralf Souquet, I believe in Manila a few years back), it would appear that it's easier to criticize than it is to be. So I should (and do) rescind my prior dismissal of Earl (but I still say he should consider being a better ambassador for the game of pool :p).

Overall, I'd agree with Jimmy M. re: Efren. Also, what's not to like about Kid Delicious and his demeanor?

The King
04-27-2008, 05:36 AM
Even as a pro how do you handle defeat gracefully ??? When you feel like all of your insides have just been pulled out of you ... That is one of the worst feelings there is ... I'm no pro but it is very tough ... I can relate to the guy who cried his eyes out to me there is no worst feeling ... No matter how bad it feels I always put a smile on my face and give credit to my opponent ... Trying to be as kind and courtious as possible ... Then I go and cry or bang my head into the wall... or try to make myself the smallest person in the world wishing I could be invisible...lol... Then I work harder to improve my game hoping for the day when I will never know defeat again...
But somehow I feel I will be with my maker when that day comes...

Best pro that handles defeat I will also go with Efren or Varner ... One of the worst Mike Segal...

Blackjack
04-27-2008, 10:33 AM
THIS GUY GETS MY VOTE - CLASS ACT, WIN OR LOSE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbSZtDaE2w)
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tonmo
04-27-2008, 10:37 AM
THIS GUY GETS MY VOTE - CLASS ACT, WIN OR LOSE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbSZtDaE2w)
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I can't argue with that!

Flettir
04-30-2008, 02:30 PM
Mike Davis.

Southpaw
Thank You Southpaw and to Hilla-Hilla.

As you can tell, my vote goes to Mike Davis.

Q. Biased much?
A. Oh H*** Ya!

BRKNRUN
04-30-2008, 02:39 PM
Efren Smefren....If he loses a match he goes and takes a nap...;)

My vote goes for

Louie Ulrich &/or Max Eberle

Celtic
04-30-2008, 02:41 PM
THIS GUY GETS MY VOTE - CLASS ACT, WIN OR LOSE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbSZtDaE2w)
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Yeah, Soquet is just a huge class act. I have never seen the guy act with anything but complete sportsmanship and professionalism.

Snapshot9
04-30-2008, 02:44 PM
Someone with humility is someone that has been where you are.

BVal
04-30-2008, 02:47 PM
I watched Dave Hemmah play his first match at the Shootout and he was down 8(hill) to 4. He came all the way back to tie it at double hill and lost the last game to lose 9-8. The whole match his attitude was the same no matter what happened. I vote for him.

BVal

fanthom
04-30-2008, 03:02 PM
This thread reminds me of the IPT Vegas tournament. There was one European player who shall remain nameless, but I really like this guy. He is a good friend of my boyfriend's, too.

He was doing well in the tournament, and we were really pulling for him. The day before the finals, he was upbeat and had the right winning spirit. We went to cheer him on.

The match was a nail-biter, and the poor fellow lost. The expression on his face said it all. We tried to comfort him, but he was a man of few words. As soon as we all loaded up the elevator to depart the ballroom, he couldn't hold back his emotions anymore, and the tears rolled down his face. He really, really, really wanted that win. I had never seen anyone take it this hard before.

The next day, he was out on the casino floor, smiling and laughing, and all was good! :)

Players who accept defeat gracefully that I have seen are: Both Tonys (Robles and Crosby), Tommy Kennedy, Gypsy, Jerry Slivka, Mike Zuglan, Joe Tucker, Michael Coltrain, Santos, and Luc Salvas, just to name a few.

JAM


Hmmm, you got me thinkin'. Let's get the deduction tool out. If memory serves me right, it was like the Philippines vs. Europe remaining in the last 6. TH won and Marlon aint a euro. . . let me guess. Eureka! Can't be the other cause he's a stoic and cold as a sniper can be. That leaves one and may I say :D . . . ahem, my apologies. It is to remain nameless, right? The player is a gentleman nonetheless and worthy of every bit of credit and then some. ;)

jay helfert
04-30-2008, 10:16 PM
THIS GUY GETS MY VOTE - CLASS ACT, WIN OR LOSE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbSZtDaE2w)
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Listen to that filipino crowd chanting his name, SOUQUET, SOUQUET, SOUQUET! Then try to tell me they aren't the greatest pool audience in the world. I've never seen anything like that anywhere else in the world.

jay helfert
04-30-2008, 10:30 PM
ALL of the above are good choices for best attitudes after a tough loss. Hemmah, Robles, Davis, TK, Ralf, Efren all will get my vote. Never a murmur out of them, just a handshake to the winner.

But my vote here has to go to Tony Crosby. He had just suffered a crushing loss in the Desert Shootout last week, and was relegated to finishing tied 9th-12th. Normally, after a player gets knocked out of a tournament, I will personally thank him and tell him where to pick up his check. Not this time. Tony came over to me first and congratulated me on running such a fine event.

He went on to say it was the first time he had played in a tournament I had run, and he thought I did a great job. I was delighted and surprised to say the least. At a time like that, to compliment me said a lot about the kind of man Tony is. This guy is one class act!

Fuji-whopper
05-01-2008, 06:07 AM
I've traveled with Hemmah for a while and have known him for years, his deamanor doesn't change in private he never says anything bad about the matches or his opponents after a loss. He is a true professional and I strive to attain the attitude he has, Dave is one of the few all-around great guys.

ARM9BALLER
05-01-2008, 06:22 AM
Rodney Morris and that Neil Fujiwara guy.

CTYankee
05-01-2008, 06:42 AM
This is more of a question... Alex P. seemed to always take his losses with dignity in the matches I have watched him in. I know he is an emotional player, so I am not sure if that is the norm for him or not.

uwate
05-01-2008, 06:43 AM
in action i would vote for Chris Bartram...

in tournaments I would say The Kaiser.

beetle
05-01-2008, 07:04 AM
I would say Danny Harriman. He gets grief on this board sometimes, but I'll always remember that great shot when he was hill-hill with Earl in NYC, and safed him beautifully. However, earl came with a miraculous 2 rail kick and made the ball and ran out to win the match. Danny just smiled and said something like "Earl's a champion, I'm never surprised!".

Blackjack
05-01-2008, 07:09 AM
Another guy I would add to this list is Mike Zuglan. Always a great sport - I'll never forget the class he showed at the completion of Mike Sigel's 150 & out. Our game could use a couple of hundred more guys just like Mike Zuglan.

Andrew Manning
05-01-2008, 07:16 AM
ALL of the above are good choices for best attitudes after a tough loss. Hemmah, Robles, Davis, TK, Ralf, Efren all will get my vote. Never a murmur out of them, just a handshake to the winner.

But my vote here has to go to Tony Crosby. He had just suffered a crushing loss in the Desert Shootout last week, and was relegated to finishing tied 9th-12th. Normally, after a player gets knocked out of a tournament, I will personally thank him and tell him where to pick up his check. Not this time. Tony came over to me first and congratulated me on running such a fine event.

He went on to say it was the first time he had played in a tournament I had run, and he thought I did a great job. I was delighted and surprised to say the least. At a time like that, to compliment me said a lot about the kind of man Tony is. This guy is one class act!

Quite a classy thing to do, indeed.

-Andrew

uwate
05-06-2008, 09:50 PM
ALL of the above are good choices for best attitudes after a tough loss. Hemmah, Robles, Davis, TK, Ralf, Efren all will get my vote. Never a murmur out of them, just a handshake to the winner.

But my vote here has to go to Tony Crosby. He had just suffered a crushing loss in the Desert Shootout last week, and was relegated to finishing tied 9th-12th. Normally, after a player gets knocked out of a tournament, I will personally thank him and tell him where to pick up his check. Not this time. Tony came over to me first and congratulated me on running such a fine event.

He went on to say it was the first time he had played in a tournament I had run, and he thought I did a great job. I was delighted and surprised to say the least. At a time like that, to compliment me said a lot about the kind of man Tony is. This guy is one class act!

I just realized in reading this post that as it turned out, Crosby getting beat and placing 9-12th worked out ok as thats the last group that got paid (except for Saez).

jay helfert
05-06-2008, 09:55 PM
I just realized in reading this post that as it turned out, Crosby getting beat and placing 9-12th worked out ok as thats the last group that got paid (except for Saez).

7-8th got paid in cash also. Oscar and Corey, $1,500 each. Lucky dogs!