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Jude Rosenstock
04-30-2008, 10:28 AM
Okay, I mentioned in another thread how there are only a handful of shots that can improve your game and figured I'd get into it a little more in a series of threads. The biggest mistakes I see C/B level players make are outlined in these shots. Typically, these are shots that are well within the realm of what the player is already capable of, they're just not aware of the minute details.

The first one I'll discuss today are short angled shots. These are shots that you make nearly 100% of the time. If you spend a portion of your practice time working out EXACTLY how the cueball reacts, you can keep your cueball in line and extend a significant portion of your run-out attempts.

Please note - The balls should NOT be set-up exactly the same every time. You want to develop a feel for speed and spin which means you should mix it up a little.


http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYVe4IayO3PRcA3cYVe3cbSv3kRcA3kXgL3kbBD4kbGJ@
This first shot should already be in your arsenal but you want to have precision feel for it. You should never ever scratch and know exactly where your cueball will reach the rail. As you vary the location of the 9-ball, you should learn ways to avoid scratching in the side-pocket - when to play for the short-side, when to spin above the side, when to play with soft speed so you don't reach the side.




http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYVe3IaKe3PRcA3cYVe3ccAu3kRcA3kXwM3kasH4kbXv3kY sQ@

This shot is far less trickier than it looks. You will quickly realize the key to this shot is to not use very much english. A 1 o'clock hit should give you enough spin to create the necessary z-shape. The important thing here is having a feel for going across the width of the table twice.




http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HVTa2IBjV3PFkK3cVTa3ccAu3kFkK3kToK3kbAe1kbVY1kN hp@
This is one of my favorites and yet, I see it mishandled CONSTANTLY. Learn to do this shot only using side spin and gauge how much is necessary to safely avoid the side-pocket. You'll quickly realize how much room for error you have with speed as you enter the position zone from its widest point.






There are plenty of other short shots that you'll build into your game and you'll quickly realize their value (like the one below). However, many of these other shots won't be as sensitive as the three I outline.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HVTa4IaSg3POAx3cVTa3ccAu3kOAx3kUFK3kbAI2kBdk1kb Hc1kTsx@

Blackjack
04-30-2008, 10:39 AM
Great lesson!

big_wave_dav
04-30-2008, 10:46 AM
Thanks for the insight. I really enjoy "seeing" the shots on the cuetable. So often I find myself just shooting one shot at a time & hoping I get position for another shot. This just reinforces the fact that I have to slow down & plan ahead.

CB,CornerPockeT
04-30-2008, 10:51 AM
awesome lesson, I really appreciated this.

Jude Rosenstock
04-30-2008, 10:57 AM
Thanks Blackjack!


big_wave_dav - The important thing here is to be deliberate with your tip placement and speed. You don't want to just use spin. You want to use a specific amount of spin and you want to FEEL the spin reacting with the rail. It's a touch many straight pool players are expert in (which is why I think I got Blackjack's attention). However, this touch is important to have no matter which game you play.

As you get more and more comfortable with shots like these, you'll learn how you can use this knowledge for other shots like 1. when the object ball is near the middle of the table, 2. when the cueball is far from the object ball. It's a base to build from.


Here are extensions of the same concepts:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AQql1BaSU1CULf1HYbG3PJGq3UQql3Ubbw3kJGq3kPkU3ka Wo1kaJM@


http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AaDV3BaAx4CJEg3HOSb1PTKm3UaDV3UcIx1kTKm3kYVF3kb BB4kaqg3kYBo@

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4APXP2BMVG1CDHu3DIUv4EBhi2HGPU4IYRk1PTKm4UPXP4Ud Ot1kTKm4kNLE3kIvh3kakN1kawd1kLdy@

BRKNRUN
04-30-2008, 11:15 AM
Good stuff Jude.

All of these shots include a second rail...even for other shots that won't the CB will be traveling toward a second rail.

That being said...these diagrams fall right in line with something I was told when I just an up an coming banger.... I can't remember who told me this... or where I read it.....It was not something I learned on my own......but It is something that stuck with me and even today I continually work on perfecting......and I suspect that even pros continually work on perfecting this.... (except Efren)

I was told...one of the most important parts of playing shape was learning how to know where the CB was going to contact the "second" rail and learning how to "controle" where the CB will contact the second rail.

Although fairly basic stuff...is probably some of the most important parts of position play..... right behind speed of shot......Actually...speed of shot will facter into some of your shots diagramed.

Beware_of_Dawg
04-30-2008, 11:22 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jude Rosenstock again.


THanks for taking the time to share.

frankncali
04-30-2008, 11:26 AM
Man it kills me not to be able to see the Cuetable on my computer. I have tried everything I can think of.

Maybe its time to buy a new version of Windows :mad:

If someone can could these layouts be posted in jpg form?

Ant812
04-30-2008, 11:30 AM
good post, im going to print it out and give it to a guy on my team. he's a good shot but constantly messes these shots up(draws EVERYTHING)...a lot of times this being the difference between winning and losing.
hows that saying go about drawing? "it takes 5 minutes to learn and 5 years to learn when not to use it"

cleary
04-30-2008, 11:32 AM
Thank you very much jude.... after working on these shots, I might be able to beat you next season!

Jude Rosenstock
04-30-2008, 12:06 PM
Thank you very much jude.... after working on these shots, I might be able to beat you next season!


All it takes is two glasses of Chivas and you can beat me all night. Three glasses and I might not even remember we played.

Jude Rosenstock
04-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Man it kills me not to be able to see the Cuetable on my computer. I have tried everything I can think of.

Maybe its time to buy a new version of Windows :mad:

If someone can could these layouts be posted in jpg form?


Does your computer give you a message when it fails to display a cuetable? If so, what is that message?

Randy9Ball
04-30-2008, 12:08 PM
Excellent lesson Jude! Rep to you sir!

ScottW
04-30-2008, 12:13 PM
Ugh, way too many cue tables - i.e. too many Flash instances.

What would rock is if you could just do screenshots of those things, once you've got them set up, and then just include the static images. It would load a loooot faster. But it would require more up front work...

MOJOE
04-30-2008, 12:14 PM
Please note - The balls should NOT be set-up exactly the same every time. You want to develop a feel for speed and spin which means you should mix it up a little.

Jude, I feel that is some great advice that I rarely see in books that are full of drills. Moving the CB or OB just an inch or so can make a huge difference. When I first started doing drills a LONG time ago, I got way to caught up in the EXACT position of both balls. This of course, did me little good since that exact shot rarely if ever came up.

Rep for you, great thread. This is some of the priceless info that I like to see on AZ..

Peace, Mojoe

frankncali
04-30-2008, 12:16 PM
Does your computer give you a message when it fails to display a cuetable? If so, what is that message?


No just the little box in the top left corner.

I tried all kinds of things with Wei one time to get it to work. Its odd being it used to work for me and now nothing.

I believe I need a new windows and that this is some how related. The version I have isnt real old but it can not be updated or validated.

I have talked with Microsoft about this several times. They dont show my copy as invalid yet their validation process says that it cant be validated.

I even tried a WGA and validation hack and it wouldnt work. So I think I
need to fork up the bucks and get a new copy. I just dont want to do it since I can simply upgrade this one. It will be a hassle not to lose a lot of things on my hard drive. It was recommended by Microsoft not to use another HD and tried to "transfer"/ "expot" over what I want to the new version on the new HD. They said that if the existing verison was corrupt then it could easily corrupt the new version.

Its really the only thing I cant do on the net. Just happens that I play pool and would like to see the posts with the Cuetable in it.

klockdoc
04-30-2008, 12:21 PM
No just the little box in the top left corner.

I tried all kinds of things with Wei one time to get it to work. Its odd being it used to work for me and now nothing.

I believe I need a new windows and that this is some how related. The version I have isnt real old but it can not be updated or validated.

I have talked with Microsoft about this several times. They dont show my copy as invalid yet their validation process says that it cant be validated.

I even tried a WGA and validation hack and it wouldnt work. So I think I
need to fork up the bucks and get a new copy. I just dont want to do it since I can simply upgrade this one. It will be a hassle not to lose a lot of things on my hard drive. It was recommended by Microsoft not to use another HD and tried to "transfer"/ "expot" over what I want to the new version on the new HD. They said that if the existing verison was corrupt then it could easily corrupt the new version.

Its really the only thing I cant do on the net. Just happens that I play pool and would like to see the posts with the Cuetable in it.

Instead of using IE, why don't you load Netscape or Firefox as your browser. If you use either one of these, first delete Shock Player and Flash player. After you load the new browser, then reload the shock and flash and it should associate it with the new browser. I never use IE anymore.

Good Luck

Oh, and Frank, your PM box is full. :)

MOJOE
04-30-2008, 12:25 PM
For those who don't have flash, below are all .jpg files. Just right click on a PC and click SAVE AS.. to a location of
your choice.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position1.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position2.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position3.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position4.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position5.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position6.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/runarak/position7.jpg

cigardave
04-30-2008, 01:17 PM
Frank - PM me your email addy and I'll send you two .JPG files of all seven shots that Jude diagrammed. There's six in one file and one in the second.

Best regards, cd.

kaznj
05-01-2008, 02:46 PM
Thanks for sharing this material. I really enjoy going to the pool hall and practicing drills like this.

Tom M
05-01-2008, 03:23 PM
Jude, that's one of the most useful "shot" posts I've seen here. It also illustrates how many more more layers there are to this game that just making shots and controlling the cue ball...

sigh...I have a LONG way to go.

whitey2
05-01-2008, 04:34 PM
[...]
I believe I need a new windows and that this is some how related. The version I have isnt real old but it can not be updated or validated.
[...]

FYI - Now and then I will boot into "Windows 98" to view cuetable diagrams, as I normally run LINUX.

But my point is that even Windows 98 is capable of supporting shockwave, and thus
the cuetable software.

tonmo
05-01-2008, 06:37 PM
Rep to JR for the motivating lesson! I will do this.

SCCues
05-02-2008, 07:11 AM
Excellent post. Thanks to taking the time to point out some shots that many players take for granted and don't execute properly now and then.

James

Gregg
05-02-2008, 12:21 PM
Jude,

If I'm looking for real improvement, I need to work on shots that with CHALLENGE any player, not some of the shots you have listed that seem like basic position shots well within the reach of all but the inept.














Ha ha! Just kidding. Those shots are tough as heck, and I think have a place in my practice routine. In fact, aside from some patterns, I really don't have any position shots like this to add to my arsenal.

Thanks!

coryjeb
05-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Jude- Rep for you... I am impatiently waiting for Parts 2 - 14. Good stuff, I may have a man crush... shhh...

Highlanduh
05-02-2008, 03:34 PM
Rep to you!

Your willingness to take the time to create such a helpful thread is much appreciated.

BradE
10-15-2008, 08:18 PM
Jude great thread, I've practiced these shots a lot and feel pretty comfortable with them. Any chance for a part 2?

the420trooper
10-15-2008, 08:30 PM
Jude great thread, I've practiced these shots a lot and feel pretty comfortable with them. Any chance for a part 2?

Jude has been gone from the forum for a few months now. His pearls of wisdom remain, but he never gave us a chance to learn everything that he knew.

He is one of the inactive posters that I miss very much. BTW, Jude, I would also play it with high right and go three rails.:wink:

"T"
10-15-2008, 09:07 PM
Just gave rep because I thought you were alive and well?


Hope you're alive! :D

BradE
10-15-2008, 09:46 PM
Jude has been gone from the forum for a few months now. His pearls of wisdom remain, but he never gave us a chance to learn everything that he knew.

He is one of the inactive posters that I miss very much. BTW, Jude, I would also play it with high right and go three rails.:wink:

Why is he gone? I've read a lot of his threads and there is some great info within them.

JXMIKE
10-15-2008, 09:54 PM
Thanks alot jude, cant wait to go to the pool hall and work on this.


rep for you sir.

stikapos
10-16-2008, 05:14 AM
Jude, you just stink. Just what I wanted when my aimless, shiftless, brainless sessions were doing such good. So now that you are going to make me better, does that mean I have to spend more time watching CSI with the wife ????
Written with every bit of my tongue in cheek,

With Best Regards,
tim]

p.s. I'm taking up another hobby that I can stink at again...

Colin Colenso
10-16-2008, 11:39 AM
Here are all the drills in one image in case anyone wants to print them out.

Colin

LoGiC
10-16-2008, 01:48 PM
Its a shame Jude left, some great info here.

leehayes
10-17-2008, 07:24 AM
Its a shame Jude left, some great info here.

Jude didn't leave. Just chooses to no longer post...either way it's a shame.
Always had good input.

coryjeb
10-17-2008, 10:37 AM
Lee- sitting here at the hospital, waiting for my son to get out of surgery and saw this thread had been bumped. I was just thinking the other day about Jude not having posted in quite a while. I went and bumped another thread about him. I miss having him around. If you are in contact, tell him to stop by once in a while.

carlos ramirez
10-19-2009, 04:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRZNgJK1YQI

BradE
11-01-2016, 08:19 PM
Just got back into pool. Hope this helps!