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poolplayer2093
04-30-2008, 07:30 PM
ok this is what i'm left with it's hill hill in a race to 6 for 200 (ok maybe it was only 20 but so what)

after i get a couple of responses i'll post what i did and what happened. follow the link i'm not hi tek enough to make the table apprear

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYDL4IIWe4POGV@

gajga
04-30-2008, 07:43 PM
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYDL4IIWe4POGV@

mullyman
04-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Bank the 8 softly towards the end rail and send the CB up table. Or just go for it and bank it cross corner with low right and bring whitey all the way around. Takes some huge nuts and an even huger stroke to pull that one off though.
MULLY
huger isn't even a word......

StevenPWaldon
04-30-2008, 07:49 PM
Let me guess: you cut the 8-ball in the corner with inside english, going four-times across table for position on the 9?

ok this is what i'm left with it's hill hill in a race to 6 for 200 (ok maybe it was only 20 but so what)

after i get a couple of responses i'll post what i did and what happened. follow the link i'm not hi tek enough to make the table apprear

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYDL4IIWe4POGV@

Patrick Johnson
04-30-2008, 07:54 PM
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYDL4IIWe4POGV3cYDL3cbHQ4cbai3cYWd4kOGV3kVRH1uB WK@
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mr8ball
04-30-2008, 07:54 PM
I would bank the 8 down to the end rail and put the CB on the break end. Let him make the mistake!!

poolplayer2093
04-30-2008, 07:55 PM
Let me guess: you cut the 8-ball in the corner with inside english, going four-times across table for position on the 9?


Hell no i don't think i could pull that off 1 out of a 100 tries

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4HBMD4IIWe2PGCi@

i banked the 8 softly 2 rails and sent the cueball up table. he thins the 8 and makes the 9 i lose

poolplayer2093
04-30-2008, 07:56 PM
So did i lose making the right choice?

Ktown D
04-30-2008, 07:57 PM
I would bank the 8 down to the end rail and put the CB on the break end. Let him make the mistake!!
That is what I would do and hope he didn't make a great bank.

Black-Balled
05-01-2008, 06:20 AM
So did i lose making the right choice?
That is the tough thing about choosing to play safe- you give the opponent the chance to bring it.

It also sucks to go for it and sell out, so what are you gonna do?

Ahh, the details that make the game challenging!

Thunderball
05-01-2008, 06:31 AM
Hell no i don't think i could pull that off 1 out of a 100 tries

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4HBMD4IIWe2PGCi@

i banked the 8 softly 2 rails and sent the cueball up table. he thins the 8 and makes the 9 i lose

I know the Cuetable can be a little hard interpret ... but dude..thats a pretty dam sweet 8 ball,I don't care who you are.I'd feel fine leaving the table in that shape...and I'd expect to get back.

stick8
05-01-2008, 07:10 AM
I would slow roll qb,bump the 8ball and lock it up on the 8 then let him sweat it!!!:confused: :confused: :confused:

Andrew Manning
05-01-2008, 07:20 AM
So did i lose making the right choice?

I think so; you got unlucky that the balls set up just right for the carom to be on. You had a very good chance to leave your opponent in a very bad spot playing it the way you did. You just didn't get the roll.

-Andrew

Thunderball
05-01-2008, 07:28 AM
he thins the 8 and makes the 9 i lose

AHHH...I misread that part.I thought you meant two shots,not one.

Either way it's a nice shot....but thinning the 8 from there would be a MONSTER shot,which is what I thought you meant.

Black-Balled
05-01-2008, 07:31 AM
I would slow roll qb,bump the 8ball and lock it up on the 8 then let him sweat it!!!:confused: :confused: :confused:

Sometimes the easiest option is the best. you know if you put them together like that, the only 2 returns you will see are the same thing back, or thin hit that leaves the next shot with distance.

The nudge is actually a shot I have often used, and not just in 1h.

(Why didn't I see the shot earlier? InI can't WEI at work!)

Jude Rosenstock
05-01-2008, 07:34 AM
So did i lose making the right choice?


Yeah, 9-ball is going to be like that sometimes. You have to understand, when you make the "percentage play", that doesn't always mean the percentages are suddenly in your favor. It just means it's the play that will give you the best chance to win.

Tommy-D
05-01-2008, 07:53 AM
> Try this next time you practice. My option,if I wasn't confident in the offensive option,would be as follows.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYDL4IIWe4PNIF1QBEk1ROKh4kNIF3kboE4kcPj4kLhe4kL hf4kLhf4kMWc4kMWc4kMGe4kLAh4kLAm2qQdFIt's_better_t o_leave_the_cue_ball_at_A_or_B_than_up_here_where_ the_text_is....&ZZ@

In this case,the very best place would be at about B,A isn't bad,but once you start getting up towards where the text is,even though the backwards cut angle is thinner to 2-3 rail it to try and leave it where it was,it's more common and natural too. In some situations,a well-played safe puts your opponent in a spot he's not familiar with,leading to their mis-execution,rather than having them totally hooked.

Let's say you execute the shot exactly as I describe,and you tie up the 8-9. What happens if your opponent just gives you ball-in-hand,or tries the thin hit and misses,or miscues?

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4HHpe4IEvc4PMGl2QMnn4kMGl4kJEP2kaYC2kMWk2kMnl2kM nl2kMOk2kMnozb@

That SHOULD hold them.

Something else that must be considered. Was this shot you were originally talking about the result of a miss by your opponent,or a position mistake by you? Even though they might have resulted in the same layout,the mind-set you take into the shot is ENTIRELY different. Tommy D.

poolplayer2093
05-01-2008, 09:03 AM
it was a result of his miss

cuetable
05-07-2008, 11:43 AM
ok this is what i'm left with it's hill hill in a race to 6 for 200 (ok maybe it was only 20 but so what)

after i get a couple of responses i'll post what i did and what happened. follow the link i'm not hi tek enough to make the table apprear

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3HYDL4IIWe4POGV@


poolplayer2093

You are very close to show the table layout. Next time, just click on http://forums.azbilliards.com/images/buttons/wei.gif in the post editor, and past the code right in the middle of [ WEI][/WEI ] codes... For more info, please check http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=64559

Whatever you do, don't do this: http://icemanmika.blogspot.com/2008/01/derby-city-classic-2008.html (check the second diagram :D )

(I am adding this thread into our layout archive (http://library.cuetable.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70) )

JoeyA
05-07-2008, 11:57 AM
Hell no i don't think i could pull that off 1 out of a 100 tries

http://CueTable.com/P/?@4HBMD4IIWe2PGCi@

i banked the 8 softly 2 rails and sent the cueball up table. he thins the 8 and makes the 9 i lose

Let your opponent shoot that shot every time.
JoeyA

BRKNRUN
05-07-2008, 12:18 PM
I would play kind of a 1-pocket shot...

with high and a bit of kill inside english on the CB I would send the CB down by the corner pocket above the 9-ball and send the 8 to the opposite long rail (near where the CB is now)

Hopefully freezing the 8 to the long rail.....The inside english on the CB will likely make the 8-ball go staight across the table.

The other option is putting the 8 on the end rail buy you could sell out a ride on the 9-ball (with a built in easy tough leave).

Banking the 8 at the 9-ball is an option that could win you the game... and or get you safe....But you could easily hand the 9-Ball for a now easy win to your opponent.

Sending the CB is also an option...but to do that you give up some controle on where the 8 is going to end up....(very hard to controle both balls)

pletho
05-07-2008, 06:10 PM
If it is a 50-50 chance each way I would usually go for the shot. But you have a few safeties avail to you. Your safe was a good one, I would give that to them all night long and bet on it that they did not get out. I also think that if you had great cue ball control and speed control you could have rolled up on the eight and almost stuck it to it. Its not risky IF you have good speed and ball control.

Either way I believe you took the best shot for you to have a chance at getting the doe, he just got out! It happens alot.

I always endeavor to go with th percentages and strategy verses trying to run out, bank out ect... In my opinion its who gets the cheese not who runs racks out or banks better. Yeas I know that if you run racks out you will get the cheese also but I think you understand my point.

I endeavor to give my self the best chance to win by trying to play high percentage shots and safeties. If I get in a position where it could go one way or another I go for the gusto and try to make the shot......

Honestly though this is what I have been doing lately and I really enjoy it, if in a race we are both on the hill I will usually suggest that we have to win by 2 games, or start over and double the bet! Even if I am breaking on the hill. Maybe stupid on my part but less chancy I think against those I play......

DeadPoked
05-07-2008, 06:16 PM
I'd thin the 8 on the left side, maybe with a little top left, and send the cue ball towards the 9. You can leave the 8 on the side rail, hopefully frozen, and leave your opponent nothing to shoot at. You can try hitting it hard enough to possibly make the 9, but I'd probably just try leaving it on the end rail.

This option doesn't allow your opponent a chance to combo or carom the 9 in by leaving the 8 close to the 9.

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Looking at the diagram a little more, it may be a little too difficult to spin the cueball and hit it thin enough to not sell out, to get the cueball by the 9. This may not be a good option considering the distance from the object ball.

tonmo
05-07-2008, 06:23 PM
The safety shot is a good call, thanks for sharing.

Novice question: if you were to go for it -- would it be possible to reverse bank into the bottom side? with some left english / throw? I probably had a slightly different layout, but I did something similar with the 15th ball when trying to break up a rack in 14.1.

Edit: ah, just like deadpoked illustrated above, but with less angle would seem to enable a shot into the bottom side. Yeah?

Pii
05-07-2008, 06:25 PM
So did i lose making the right choice?

This time, but you may win the next 9 times you do the right thing.