For format of the CSI ten-ball was complete rubbish.

dnschmidt

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What is the purpose of two races to 4 with a bullshit shoot out of spot shots to determine the winner? The only purpose for this that I can think of it to give the dead money a chance to win since if you go to eight the cream will always rise to the top. I watched the Polish guy play Alex and he damn near blew him off the table and it still went to a shoot out which thankfully, and I like Alex, lost. Are they doing this so that the dead money fills the field because there is no way in hell Grabe and Wu are better than Chang, Shaw, SVB, Filler etc.
 

skogstokig

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race to 9 wouldn't take longer time, so that's obviously not the reason. maybe they want to add variety to the game, because i can't imagine they expect this to catch on. winner break in a race to 4 is also goofy.

grabe is capable of occasionally beating both shaw and filler and probably has done several times. i think wu kun is better than his fargo suggests, the covid hiatus has been detrimental to most players but obviously not to wu kun.
 
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realkingcobra

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This format is opening the door to switching more people to liking the same format in Chinese 8B!
 

poolnoob

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Wu KL almost won over Ko PIn Chung in a local event back home final few months ago.
 

VVP

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The format is good for entertaining an audience but the players do not seem to like the shootout because they can lose the whole match because of a missed shot. I understand their concern but since I like the entertainment part, I favor the format. Maybe best of 2 in a three game race to four is the way to go to make everyone happy. If someone wins the first two sets game over.
 

iusedtoberich

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The format is for the fans, not the players. The fans are the only way the sport has a chance of growing.

<== This fans LIKES this format quite a bit. Matches are more exciting. Matches don't drag on forever. There is always a chance for an upset. To each his own:)
 

Joe_Jaguar

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The format is for the fans, not the players. The fans are the only way the sport has a chance of growing.

<== This fans LIKES this format quite a bit. Matches are more exciting. Matches don't drag on forever. There is always a chance for an upset. To each his own:)
The matches were a snooze fest. (n)
 

spartan

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What is the purpose of two races to 4 with a bullshit shoot out of spot shots to determine the winner? The only purpose for this that I can think of it to give the dead money a chance to win since if you go to eight the cream will always rise to the top. I watched the Polish guy play Alex and he damn near blew him off the table and it still went to a shoot out which thankfully, and I like Alex, lost. Are they doing this so that the dead money fills the field because there is no way in hell Grabe and Wu are better than Chang, Shaw, SVB, Filler etc.
The replacement commentators for final Austrian pair Albin/Lechner proposed best of 3 sets (race to 4) used in German League-that would be better format. :D
 

realkingcobra

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The format is for the fans, not the players. The fans are the only way the sport has a chance of growing.

<== This fans LIKES this format quite a bit. Matches are more exciting. Matches don't drag on forever. There is always a chance for an upset. To each his own:)
The format is all about sales, not pool!
 

smoochie

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Race to (4) two sets then a shootout is to give everybody a chance to win regardless of the difference in skill, thats how I see it.

If you can't clearly see that in this format the weaker player still has a good insane chance to beat a player that is better than him then I cannot convince you. I'm not speaking here about very weak versus very strong. I am speaking about a somewhat decent player that is weaker than the top-notch against a top-notch world class. the decent player have a very good chance to win! higher odds/chance than say a race to 11 or 13.
 

MitchAlsup

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The format is good for entertaining an audience but the players do not seem to like the shootout because they can lose the whole match because of a missed shot.
There were several 14.1 matches where the looser of the lag sits for the duration.
In fact, this was (WAS) considered the gold standard of wins.
 

buckshotshoey

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Race to (4) two sets then a shootout is to give everybody a chance to win regardless of the difference in skill, thats how I see it.

If you can't clearly see that in this format the weaker player still has a good insane chance to beat a player that is better than him then I cannot convince you. I'm not speaking here about very weak versus very strong. I am speaking about a somewhat decent player that is weaker than the top-notch against a top-notch world class. the decent player have a very good chance to win! higher odds/chance than say a race to 11 or 13.
Of course we can clearly see it. No convincing necessary. Some of us just dont care one way or the other. It's just another way to play the game.
 

sjm

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What is the purpose of two races to 4 with a bullshit shoot out of spot shots to determine the winner? The only purpose for this that I can think of it to give the dead money a chance to win since if you go to eight the cream will always rise to the top.
That's how I see it, too. I think having a match decided by a shootout is ridiculous, but you've answered your own question. This format caters to the dead money players, who suddenly have a chance to pull off a major upset or two.

The implication here is that the event producer is doing what they have to to ensure a full field in the future, but in my eyes, the price being paid is too high, for the cream is obstructed from rising to the top by the format.

Until recently, the only time I had ever seen a race to four in pro pool was in the Ladies Challenge of Champions at Mohegan Sun.
 

iusedtoberich

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...snip...
The implication here is that the event producer is doing what they have to to ensure a full field in the future....snip....

IMO, the implication is to increase audience sizes, not field sizes. Although I can see your side of it.

Best.
 

JoeyInCali

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If Predator really wanted to do something for the future of pool, they'd be hosting these events in pool rooms, not CASINOS, like the event they hosted in the CASINO in Arizona!
Don't casinos put up some money ?
They also have larger venues and can accommodate vendor booths .
Pool rooms ? Not so .
The casinos also get the sport much more exposure by having different demographics outside of pool players watching the sport .
 
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