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murphys_law 10-05-2012 01:05 PM

Finishing a partial shaft
 
I need recommendations for someone to finish a partial shaft for me. The joint doesn't need to match just a black collar. Was going to have the the original builder finish it and match the collar but can't get a hold of him and no returned calls. I am sorry, he does great work but bad communications does not sit well with me.

Michael Webb 10-05-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murphys_law (Post 3799447)
I need recommendations for someone to finish a partial shaft for me. The joint doesn't need to match just a black collar. Was going to have the the original builder finish it and match the collar but can't get a hold of him and no returned calls. I am sorry, he does great work but bad communications does not sit well with me.


Here you go:
Samsara Cues
601 First St NE
Rugby, North Dakota 58368
Phone: 701-776-7240
Email:
sales@samsaracues.com
Website:
http://www.samsaracues.com

murphys_law 10-05-2012 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Webb (Post 3799579)
Here you go:
Samsara Cues
601 First St NE
Rugby, North Dakota 58368
Phone: 701-776-7240
Email:
sales@samsaracues.com
Website:
http://www.samsaracues.com

Michael thanks!

woodsr83 10-19-2012 01:37 PM

If it's a predator partial blank, www.dimecustomcues.com. He's a ceritified predator repair center and makes his own cues.

Renegade_56 10-19-2012 02:50 PM

I know Jim Baxter does this as well because I spoke with him about it for a Nitti I used to have.

Honestly, I'd bet there are quite a few cuemakers who would do this for you.

Why not post this job as an RFQue, and let the cuemakers bid that are interested?

This way you can pick the one you like that has the delivery, price, reputation, etc,,,,,,,,to satisfy you.

Michael Webb 10-19-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade_56 (Post 3821010)
I know Jim Baxter does this as well because I spoke with him about it for a Nitti I used to have.

Honestly, I'd bet there are quite a few cuemakers who would do this for you.

Why not post this job as an RFQue, and let the cuemakers bid that are interested?

This way you can pick the one you like that has the delivery, price, reputation, etc,,,,,,,,to satisfy you.

LOL. I can think of a few who would actually beat the snot out of each other over a 5 or 10 dollar difference to get the job, OR, You could support a qualified person closest to you. , jmo

Renegade_56 10-19-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Webb (Post 3821118)
LOL. I can think of a few who would actually beat the snot out of each other over a 5 or 10 dollar difference to get the job, OR, You could support a qualified person closest to you. , jmo

Hard to argue with any of this,,,,,,,,,,,,I was on the assumtion there was no one qualified locally.

The point was more like he could weigh price, cuemaker rep, delivery date, etc then pick what met his needs. More than that, the cuemakers who really need the work may get a chance at work. and $5 or $10 can make a difference to some in this economy.

The concept is set up to help those that need it, and it can help on both sides of the deal. I realize it's not for everyone,,,,,,but it is an option.

murphys_law 10-19-2012 04:28 PM

Thanks for the ideas guys! I had Jim Baxter finish the partial for me. He did a GREAT job!

Michael Webb 10-20-2012 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade_56 (Post 3821141)
Hard to argue with any of this,,,,,,,,,,,,I was on the assumtion there was no one qualified locally.

The point was more like he could weigh price, cuemaker rep, delivery date, etc then pick what met his needs. More than that, the cuemakers who really need the work may get a chance at work. and $5 or $10 can make a difference to some in this economy.

The concept is set up to help those that need it, and it can help on both sides of the deal. I realize it's not for everyone,,,,,,but it is an option.

I hear ya.

KJ Cues 10-20-2012 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade_56 (Post 3821141)
Hard to argue with any of this,,,,,,,,,,,,I was on the assumtion there was no one qualified locally.

The point was more like he could weigh price, cuemaker rep, delivery date, etc then pick what met his needs. More than that, the cuemakers who really need the work may get a chance at work. and $5 or $10 can make a difference to some in this economy.

The concept is set up to help those that need it, and it can help on both sides of the deal. I realize it's not for everyone,,,,,,but it is an option.

Since this thread has taken a jog in the road, as they sometimes do, I'll offer some thoughts on this new path.
I WILL NOT engage in a bidding war for ANY cue-work. I don't know if I'm alone in this and don't really care.
Here's why. Once the gates are opened to this type of selection process, the lowest bid tends to become the norm.
Ex: A starving artist says he'll do a linen wrap for, let's say $20. Before you know it, people are wondering why
all CMs aren't doing wraps for $20. I mean, if one CM can do it for $20, why can't they all. See what I mean???
In that selection process, quality never enters the picture. Selection is now reduced to and based on, the lowest price.
Should the Master Craftsman now be asked to work at the wage of an apprentice??? Ain't gonna happen.
The concept of: 'you get what you pay for', starts to ring clear.

I don't understand the need for the CM to be local. Is it that the cue-owner is looking to save time or is it money???
If it's 'time', why didn't you mail the cue a day earlier? If it's 'money', what's your driving time worth and cost of gas?
You're not going to beat any of the shippers in this area, UPS, Postal, Fed-EX, you name it. You can't beat them.
Shipping is a major player in our global economy.

Here's an abstract for you to consider and I'll wager that it actually comes into play.
Why is this artist starving in the first place???
Is it because he lives in the middle of the desert and sees maybe two other people a week or is it because his skills,
let's say, aren't quite polished to their highest sheen??? So, do you want door #1, #2 or door #3??? You don't know.
I think people are misreading our current economy. People that are good at what they do are busy, some even too busy.
There's certainly no lack of work for those with talent. The problem today isn't that there's a lack of work. It's because
there's a lack of talent for the good jobs that are available. 7.8% unemployment because these people don't have the skills.
Even that number is misleading. I recently did a quick search and learned that the lowest unemployment percentage number in
the past 40 yrs is 4% nationally. I'm forced to believe that the 4% wouldn't work even at gun-point.
The remaining 3.8% are wanting to work, they just need better job skills.
I'll also suggest that if you get the illegals out of here, the unemployment rate goes back to 4%.

The point that I've apparently drifted from is that if you're going for the $20 wrap job because it's the best price,
you'll likely come away with what looks like a $20 wrap job. No extra charge for the gaps.
If you want quality work, be prepared to pay for it. I'm not Monte Hall and this ain't 'Let's Make a Deal'.
There's a reason that Ferraris cost more than Escorts.

'Renegade_56', I applaud your efforts and appreciate what you're trying to do. Please continue.
My writings are just another view.

KJ

Michael Webb 10-20-2012 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJ Cues (Post 3821619)
Since this thread has taken a jog in the road, as they sometimes do, I'll offer some thoughts on this new path.
I WILL NOT engage in a bidding war for ANY cue-work. I don't know if I'm alone in this and don't really care.
Here's why. Once the gates are opened to this type of selection process, the lowest bid tends to become the norm.
Ex: A starving artist says he'll do a linen wrap for, let's say $20. Before you know it, people are wondering why
all CMs aren't doing wraps for $20. I mean, if one CM can do it for $20, why can't they all. See what I mean???
In that selection process, quality never enters the picture. Selection is now reduced to and based on, the lowest price.
Should the Master Craftsman now be asked to work at the wage of an apprentice??? Ain't gonna happen.
The concept of: 'you get what you pay for', starts to ring clear.

I don't understand the need for the CM to be local. Is it that the cue-owner is looking to save time or is it money???
If it's 'time', why didn't you mail the cue a day earlier? If it's 'money', what's your driving time worth and cost of gas?
You're not going to beat any of the shippers in this area, UPS, Postal, Fed-EX, you name it. You can't beat them.
Shipping is a major player in our global economy.

Here's an abstract for you to consider and I'll wager that it actually comes into play.
Why is this artist starving in the first place???
Is it because he lives in the middle of the desert and sees maybe two other people a week or is it because his skills,
let's say, aren't quite polished to their highest sheen??? So, do you want door #1, #2 or door #3??? You don't know.
I think people are misreading our current economy. People that are good at what they do are busy, some even too busy.
There's certainly no lack of work for those with talent. The problem today isn't that there's a lack of work. It's because
there's a lack of talent for the good jobs that are available. 7.8% unemployment because these people don't have the skills.
Even that number is misleading. I recently did a quick search and learned that the lowest unemployment percentage number in
the past 40 yrs is 4% nationally. I'm forced to believe that the 4% wouldn't work even at gun-point.
The remaining 3.8% are wanting to work, they just need better job skills.
I'll also suggest that if you get the illegals out of here, the unemployment rate goes back to 4%.

The point that I've apparently drifted from is that if you're going for the $20 wrap job because it's the best price,
you'll likely come away with what looks like a $20 wrap job. No extra charge for the gaps.
If you want quality work, be prepared to pay for it. I'm not Monte Hall and this ain't 'Let's Make a Deal'.
There's a reason that Ferraris cost more than Escorts.

'Renegade_56', I applaud your efforts and appreciate what you're trying to do. Please continue.
My writings are just another view.

KJ

As usual, you are correct and not alone.

LPCUSTOMCUES 10-20-2012 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJ Cues (Post 3821619)
Since this thread has taken a jog in the road, as they sometimes do, I'll offer some thoughts on this new path.
I WILL NOT engage in a bidding war for ANY cue-work. I don't know if I'm alone in this and don't really care.
Here's why. Once the gates are opened to this type of selection process, the lowest bid tends to become the norm.
Ex: A starving artist says he'll do a linen wrap for, let's say $20. Before you know it, people are wondering why
all CMs aren't doing wraps for $20. I mean, if one CM can do it for $20, why can't they all. See what I mean???
In that selection process, quality never enters the picture. Selection is now reduced to and based on, the lowest price.
Should the Master Craftsman now be asked to work at the wage of an apprentice??? Ain't gonna happen.
The concept of: 'you get what you pay for', starts to ring clear.

I don't understand the need for the CM to be local. Is it that the cue-owner is looking to save time or is it money???
If it's 'time', why didn't you mail the cue a day earlier? If it's 'money', what's your driving time worth and cost of gas?
You're not going to beat any of the shippers in this area, UPS, Postal, Fed-EX, you name it. You can't beat them.
Shipping is a major player in our global economy.

Here's an abstract for you to consider and I'll wager that it actually comes into play.
Why is this artist starving in the first place???
Is it because he lives in the middle of the desert and sees maybe two other people a week or is it because his skills,
let's say, aren't quite polished to their highest sheen??? So, do you want door #1, #2 or door #3??? You don't know.
I think people are misreading our current economy. People that are good at what they do are busy, some even too busy.
There's certainly no lack of work for those with talent. The problem today isn't that there's a lack of work. It's because
there's a lack of talent for the good jobs that are available. 7.8% unemployment because these people don't have the skills.
Even that number is misleading. I recently did a quick search and learned that the lowest unemployment percentage number in
the past 40 yrs is 4% nationally. I'm forced to believe that the 4% wouldn't work even at gun-point.
The remaining 3.8% are wanting to work, they just need better job skills.
I'll also suggest that if you get the illegals out of here, the unemployment rate goes back to 4%.

The point that I've apparently drifted from is that if you're going for the $20 wrap job because it's the best price,
you'll likely come away with what looks like a $20 wrap job. No extra charge for the gaps.
If you want quality work, be prepared to pay for it. I'm not Monte Hall and this ain't 'Let's Make a Deal'.
There's a reason that Ferraris cost more than Escorts.

'Renegade_56', I applaud your efforts and appreciate what you're trying to do. Please continue.
My writings are just another view.

KJ

I also agree. No self respecting cue builder will get in a bidding war with another cue builder. I think even having this option is not necessary.
Let people do there own price checking in private where it belongs, not in public.

Renegade_56 10-20-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade_56 (Post 3821141)
Hard to argue with any of this,,,,,,,,,,,,I was on the assumtion there was no one qualified locally.

The point was more like he could weigh price, cuemaker rep, delivery date, etc then pick what met his needs. More than that, the cuemakers who really need the work may get a chance at work. and $5 or $10 can make a difference to some in this economy.

The concept is set up to help those that need it, and it can help on both sides of the deal. I realize it's not for everyone,,,,,,but it is an option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJ Cues (Post 3821619)
Since this thread has taken a jog in the road, as they sometimes do, I'll offer some thoughts on this new path.
I WILL NOT engage in a bidding war for ANY cue-work. I don't know if I'm alone in this and don't really care.
Here's why. Once the gates are opened to this type of selection process, the lowest bid tends to become the norm.
Ex: A starving artist says he'll do a linen wrap for, let's say $20. Before you know it, people are wondering why
all CMs aren't doing wraps for $20. I mean, if one CM can do it for $20, why can't they all. See what I mean???
In that selection process, quality never enters the picture. Selection is now reduced to and based on, the lowest price.
Should the Master Craftsman now be asked to work at the wage of an apprentice??? Ain't gonna happen.
The concept of: 'you get what you pay for', starts to ring clear.

I don't understand the need for the CM to be local. Is it that the cue-owner is looking to save time or is it money???
If it's 'time', why didn't you mail the cue a day earlier? If it's 'money', what's your driving time worth and cost of gas?
You're not going to beat any of the shippers in this area, UPS, Postal, Fed-EX, you name it. You can't beat them.
Shipping is a major player in our global economy.

Here's an abstract for you to consider and I'll wager that it actually comes into play.
Why is this artist starving in the first place???
Is it because he lives in the middle of the desert and sees maybe two other people a week or is it because his skills,
let's say, aren't quite polished to their highest sheen??? So, do you want door #1, #2 or door #3??? You don't know.
I think people are misreading our current economy. People that are good at what they do are busy, some even too busy.
There's certainly no lack of work for those with talent. The problem today isn't that there's a lack of work. It's because
there's a lack of talent for the good jobs that are available. 7.8% unemployment because these people don't have the skills.
Even that number is misleading. I recently did a quick search and learned that the lowest unemployment percentage number in
the past 40 yrs is 4% nationally. I'm forced to believe that the 4% wouldn't work even at gun-point.
The remaining 3.8% are wanting to work, they just need better job skills.
I'll also suggest that if you get the illegals out of here, the unemployment rate goes back to 4%.

The point that I've apparently drifted from is that if you're going for the $20 wrap job because it's the best price,
you'll likely come away with what looks like a $20 wrap job. No extra charge for the gaps.
If you want quality work, be prepared to pay for it. I'm not Monte Hall and this ain't 'Let's Make a Deal'.
There's a reason that Ferraris cost more than Escorts.

'Renegade_56', I applaud your efforts and appreciate what you're trying to do. Please continue.
My writings are just another view.

KJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by LPCUSTOMCUES (Post 3821753)
I also agree. No self respecting cue builder will get in a bidding war with another cue builder. I think even having this option is not necessary.
Let people do there own price checking in private where it belongs, not in public.

yup, I completely agree with both of you guys perceptions,,,,,,,but I do feel you both missed the point I was making,,,,,,,

Here is what I said
Quote:

The point was more like he could weigh price, cuemaker rep, delivery date, etc then pick what met his needs. More than that, the cuemakers who really need the work may get a chance at work. and $5 or $10 can make a difference to some in this economy.
And here is what I was implying, though not clearly stated,,,,,,

The bidding could certainly be done in a closed format, in fact I recommend that in the RFQue Forum I set up. In other words, a cuemaker who wants, or needs the job can make a "closed bid" for the job via PM. By the job being posted publicly, more cuemakers may have exposure to it. No one is required to compete or bid at all. It's completely an option for those interested.
From the customer point of view, he gets to decide who does his job for him, weighing whatever criteria is important to him, be it price, turn-around time, cuemaker reputation, customer service, etc,,,,,,,
There is no bidding war for cheap labor because no one knows except the customer what the bids were. The only way cheap labor comes into play is if cuemakers offer it.

It's just an option guys,,,,,,alot of folks don't live around big cities with 3 or 4 good cuemakers,,,,,,,,or even reputable repairmen in some cases,,,,so it's completely up to the customer to decide to offer up the work,,,,,,and the cuemaker to decide if he wants to be involved. This is the way ALOT of work gets done in the manufacturing business, and most job shops DEPEND on this format for survival. There are sites online where customers list their work free, then shops pay for access to the work and place competitive bids. I'm not doing this,,,,,,,,,it's free, all the way around, and can be as confidential as the customer wants it to be.

It's an option,,,,,,nothing more, nothing less.


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