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jrctherake 07-28-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by billlaur (Post 6447001)
wheres the dvd of his run ,should be out by now....

IMO, if its to late for John, well, Mosconi was a has been 60+ years ago.

We all know Willie was no has been just weeks, months, years....hell....even DECADES after his 526 run.....so:

I'm pretty sure John has plenty of time.

Sure, the sooner, the better but, 65 years is a hell of a lot longer than a year or so.

Come on folks, is everyone here a "gotta have it now" type?

I'm willing to wait. I have a feeling we wont be disappointed.

Just pretend the 526 still stands and then watch the vid when it does come out.

<<<<<<<< don't understand all the complaints.

ricardo 07-28-2019 09:18 PM

I can't wait to buy and see the DVD. I'm a little bias since he broke the record on my favorite table at EZ Street Billiards. Been playing there since mid 90's.

Also, I was just there last week and talking to my buddy who was there the day he broke the record and I CANNOT wait to see in video how exactly he broke Mosconi's record. The story my buddy told me, if it's true, should make it worth it for anyone buying the DVD.

Poolmanis 07-28-2019 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverCity (Post 6447222)
Its just my opinion, but I think the mistake is trying to make money off of the video footage itself. There will be a very limited number of people willing to pay to watch it to begin with.

The money to be made from the achievement is in self promotion, clinics, etc. 'Come let Mr 626 show you how to increase your run' kind of thing.

Holding out for monetary reasons is only shooting himself in the foot, and as you mentioned decreasing the number of people willing to pay for a dvd or stream.

^What he said..

4pointer 07-29-2019 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sjm (Post 6447117)
People waited 65 years for this run, they can wait a little longer. How could anyone really believe this? What a joke!

The moment has passed and the buzz is long gone after nine weeks. Only the 14.1 diehards will have any interest in seeing this run now, and my guess is that even they are growing weary of waiting and that their interest is waning.

Shame for John, for he deserved better on the occasion of this historic achievement, but it's old news now.

well said sjm ,
very sad but true .
keep in stroke everybody

Texas Carom Club 07-29-2019 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jay helfert (Post 6447230)
This is not rocket science. You make a DVD, you protect its contents and you encrypt it so it can't be copied. If you do all these things only the Chinese will knock it off. But at least you can still sell copies to the rest of the world.

there are several very cheap screen recording software`s available that can record the dvd from a pc, that you can make a dvd from the file

or just copy the file itself and watch from a usb, most dvd players now have usb connections
so protection from it being copied is not much he can do about it

sjm 07-29-2019 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jrctherake (Post 6447231)
IMO, if its to late for John, well, Mosconi was a has been 60+ years ago.

We all know Willie was no has been just weeks, months, years....hell....even DECADES after his 526 run.....so:

I'm pretty sure John has plenty of time.

Sure, the sooner, the better but, 65 years is a hell of a lot longer than a year or so.

Come on folks, is everyone here a "gotta have it now" type?

I'm willing to wait. I have a feeling we wont be disappointed.

Just pretend the 526 still stands and then watch the vid when it does come out.

<<<<<<<< don't understand all the complaints.

Willie Mosconi was a household name before his run, to pool players and non-pool players alike. I, personally, don't see his run as being among his greatest achievements and I seriously doubt that (if DVDs had been around back then) a DVD of his run would have been a big seller in his or any other era, but name recognition might have made it possible. Perhaps a slogan "watch the greatest pool player ever on his greatest ever day" might have enticed a few non-enthusiasts. Guess we'll never know.

The straight pool era is 35 years in the rear view mirror now. Neither the game of 14.1 nor John Schmidt's name are well known. Not John's fault. He made the grade with his historic run, but did so in a game rarely played anymore.

I'd really like to be wrong here, and hope that John makes a wad of money from this. Time will tell. I agree that the serious diehard fans should be patient, and if that's the only market John hopes to reach, the delay isn't doing any real damage, but the boost he got in name recognition when his run was reported in the NY Times is wearing off a little every day.

Mosconi never had the problem of fading name recognition in his day. Not only was he incredibly well known, but he toured the country year round doing exhibitions in America's poolrooms. He was like a rock band that toured the country to make sure their music was always on people's minds.

Comparing Schmidt to Mosconi is apples and oranges. Two truly phenomenal players with little in common.

tucson9ball 07-29-2019 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sjm (Post 6447404)
Willie Mosconi was a household name before his run, to pool players and non-pool players alike. I, personally, don't see his run as being among his greatest achievements and I seriously doubt that (if DVDs had been around back then) a DVD of his run would have been a big seller in his or any other era, but name recognition might have made it possible. Perhaps a slogan "watch the greatest pool player ever on his greatest ever day" might have enticed a few non-enthusiasts. Guess we'll never know.

The straight pool era is 35 years in the rear view mirror now. Neither the game of 14.1 nor John Schmidt's name are well known. Not John's fault. He made the grade with his historic run, but did so in a game rarely played anymore.

I'd really like to be wrong here, and hope that John makes a wad of money from this. Time will tell. I agree that the serious diehard fans should be patient, and if that's the only market John hopes to reach, the delay isn't doing any real damage, but the boost he got in name recognition when his run was reported in the NY Times is wearing off a little every day.

Mosconi never had the problem of fading name recognition in his day. Not only was he incredibly well known, but he toured the country year round doing exhibitions in America's poolrooms. He was like a rock band that toured the country to make sure their music was always on people's minds.

Comparing Schmidt to Mosconi is apples and oranges. Two truly phenomenal players with little in common.

SJM,

Agree completely. I think if John really wanted to capitalize on his accomplishment, he should have started doing 14.1 clinics all over the country. He could have gotten many players interested in improving their games.
I think the longer he waits, less people will show interest. JMHO

poolguy4u 07-29-2019 10:03 AM

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For me if I want to see a 600 ball run, I just go to YouTube and watch

6 different videos of at least 100 balls run in each.


Good enough for me.

I have no interest in watching the edited big one.




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Texas Carom Club 07-29-2019 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poolguy4u (Post 6447560)
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For me if I want to see a 600 ball run, I just go to YouTube and watch

6 different videos of at least 100 balls run in each.


Good enough for me.

I have no interest in watching the edited big one.




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skip100 07-29-2019 10:13 AM

Every day he doesn't put the run on YouTube he and his sponsors lose more money.

shinobi 07-29-2019 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay helfert (Post 6447230)
This is not rocket science. You make a DVD, you protect its contents and you encrypt it so it can't be copied. If you do all these things only the Chinese will knock it off. But at least you can still sell copies to the rest of the world.

I'd prefer a high definition video on demand or similar. No need for a physical DVD, which is standard definition and easily copied by anyone, despite your head-scratching remark about encryption. Even 15 years ago there were free utilities such as "DVD Shrink" that copied encrypted DVDs effortlessly.

Black-Balled 07-29-2019 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by shinobi (Post 6447626)
I'd prefer a high definition video on demand or similar. No need for a physical DVD, which is standard definition and easily copied by anyone, despite your head-scratching remark about encryption. Even 15 years ago there were free utilities such as "DVD Shrink" that copied encrypted DVDs effortlessly.

Oi!
We're pool players, not computer rocket doctors!

Positively Ralf 07-29-2019 12:29 PM

I get the monetary value side of things, but what him and his team should have done was sell the unedit raw cut DVD version literally the same week he broke it. Sell it for $10 as there was a lot of eagerness to see it. After that subsided, go back in, sell an upscaled HD commentary track version of it and do it for $30 to $40.

But no, they want to get accreditation first from the BCA, like their accreditation even matters these days.

skogstokig 07-29-2019 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Positively Ralf (Post 6447644)
I get the monetary value side of things, but what him and his team should have done was sell the unedit raw cut DVD version literally the same week he broke it. Sell it for $10 as there was a lot of eagerness to see it. After that subsided, go back in, sell an upscaled HD commentary track version of it and do it for $30 to $40.

But no, they want to get accreditation first from the BCA, like their accreditation even matters these days.

is that what the hold up is?

shinobi 07-29-2019 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black-Balled (Post 6447638)
Oi!
We're pool players, not computer rocket doctors!

Would you prefer VHS, or have you upgraded to Sony Betamax? :D


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